How They Did It - The Government of Ancient Carthage DOCUMENTARY

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
  • Documentary on the Government of Ancient Carthage. Access history lectures with a free trial through our sponsor, The Great Courses Plus ow.ly: ow.ly/K3F030qtO6E
    We explore the hidden history of Carthage that gets all too often overlooked by the Punic Wars with Rome. In this documentary episode we focus on the Government of Ancient Carthage. The episode begins with an overview of the history of Carthage before covering the specific levels of government. These include the suffetes, the senate, the popular assembly, the generals, the commissions, and more.
    Stay tuned for more history documentaries on the rise and fall of Carthage and the social history of this forgotten civilization. Eventually we will also cover the famed Punic Wars with Rome but with a far greater understanding for the North African empire. See our How They Did It and Moments in History series for more documentary videos.
    Sources and Suggested Reading:
    "Carthage: A History" by Serge Lancel
    "The Carthaginians" by Dexter Hoyos
    "Carthage's Other Wars" by Dexter Hoyos
    "Carthage Must be Destroyed" by Richard Miles
    #History
    #Carthage

ความคิดเห็น • 640

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  4 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    We will continue to cover the history of Ancient Carthage! Be sure to check out our first episode on the Rise of Carthage: th-cam.com/video/XCbag4UIvBc/w-d-xo.html

    • @utubrGaming
      @utubrGaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will you also do the Evolution of the Roman Legions, Part 2, Late Roman Kingdom?

    • @mylesjude233
      @mylesjude233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great, can't wait to watch more about carthage.

    • @tyrian_baal
      @tyrian_baal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Invicta Will you by chance cover the Sicilian wars? It’s a pretty long subject, and something I haven’t delved my self too into, but it be really cool to see it

    • @jivkotodorov84
      @jivkotodorov84 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello Invicta - i like your work and i have one question for you.
      i know that Guan Yu is chinese general who is worshiped as God of War - a friend told me that there was one more Tang dynasty who had nickname God of War but was never worshiped. He sad that he found this information in one of your videos, i cant find this video. Can you please tell me who is this general and what is the video ? If you cant thank you for your work anyway. Good day for you.

    • @giveussomevodka
      @giveussomevodka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Invicta Hey, can you upload the bird view image of Carthage you use as a background for this video? Its pretty inspirational when thinking about life back then, I'd love to have it.

  • @sirdavidoftor3413
    @sirdavidoftor3413 4 ปีที่แล้ว +772

    “Details lost to time”= Rome burnt and destroyed everything
    Stay safe, stay well

    • @finalprophet813
      @finalprophet813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      Rome was a very spiteful & envious empire, look at their conquest throughout the Mediterranean & Near East they burnt down and destroyed most what was left of every old civilisation that was there before them, that’s why we find it hard to get so many details on certain empires or civilisations.

    • @protocetus499
      @protocetus499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@finalprophet813 roma invicta

    • @sadvenom7826
      @sadvenom7826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@finalprophet813 roma aeterna!!

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Rome: Masters of the OG Extermanatus

    • @TheSuperhoden
      @TheSuperhoden 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@finalprophet813 well that's not completely true, yes Rome caused a lot of trouble, but under Roman rule local cultures flourished.

  • @MaziarYousefi
    @MaziarYousefi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    It's 7:30 here in Iran, I watched this between breakfast and getting ready to go to the hospital, I love your videos and I watched most of them, incredible channel.
    I have really limited time as a doctor and I enjoy history a lot, a lot lot! I really appreciate your channel.
    It should have far more subscribers.

    • @VainerCactus0
      @VainerCactus0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yikes, you guys have it pretty rough right now.

    • @wael4070
      @wael4070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Stay save people of Iran

    • @thesnake2620
      @thesnake2620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You mean Persia :)

    • @kayeka4123
      @kayeka4123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hey guy, thank you for all the good work you're doing out there.

    • @thesnake2620
      @thesnake2620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Somali Kid It was a history joke

  • @baturalpyolcuu
    @baturalpyolcuu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +314

    "When my father was about to go on his Iberian expedition I was nine years old: and as he was offering the sacrifice to Zeus I stood near the altar. The sacrifice successfully performed, my father poured the libation and went through the usual ritual. He then bade all the other worshippers stand a little back, and calling me to him asked me affectionately whether I wished to go with him on his expedition. Upon my eagerly assenting, and begging with boyish enthusiasm to be allowed to go, he took me by the right hand and led me up to the altar, and bade me lay my hand upon the victim and swear that I would never be friends with Rome. So long, then, Antiochus, as your policy is one of hostility to Rome, you may feel quite secure of having in me a most thoroughgoing supporter. But if ever you make terms or friendship with her, then you need not wait for any slander to make you distrust me and be on your guard against me; for there is nothing in my power that I would not do against her."
    (Polybius, 3.11).

    • @mosesracal6758
      @mosesracal6758 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait is that the mythical mind-control game console system?

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He condemned his own country to damnation because of some stupid spite.

    • @TheTablePaper
      @TheTablePaper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@luciano9755 Romans instigated all three wars. Roman history is pretty much finding an excuse to attack all their neighbors for the sake of expansion.

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @Cromwellian Protectorate Republican The first they did as well. They took the Mamertimes under the fold knowing full well that Carthage would interpret the move as an act of war, given Carthage's previous treaty with the Mamertimes.

    • @iggy1979
      @iggy1979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      BoxStudioExecutive And prior to the second they imposed unbearable conditions, tribute and when Carthage conquered land in Spain that didn’t interfere with the peace treaty the Romans claimed it did out of spite and threatened them if they did not pull back

  • @Richard-pm8sd
    @Richard-pm8sd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +236

    Finally, I am much more interested in the phoenicians than the romans, amazing history

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Words like that will have you thrown from the tarpian rock

    • @Tu51ndBl4d3
      @Tu51ndBl4d3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @president camacho ghadafi is an Arab. Carthage has nothing to do with him

    • @amazigh8776
      @amazigh8776 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Tu51ndBl4d3 ghadaffi is from a berber tribe and the punics are not phoenicians asswel

    • @Yanzdorloph
      @Yanzdorloph 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @president camacho funny you said that, cuz Rome had a lybian emperor once, from the same place ghaddafi was born

    • @Yanzdorloph
      @Yanzdorloph 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Tu51ndBl4d3 dude all north africa is only arab by language, not real arabs even their dialect is smtg like "berber structur of th phrase + deformed arabc words" so yeah carthage andghadaffi prob have somekind of link

  • @geordiejones5618
    @geordiejones5618 4 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    It's interesting how Carthage and Rome essentially used the same Senate system, and just called the top two leaders different names (suffetes, consuls). Did the Romans simply just copy what was known to work in Carthage or did they both arrive at very similar governing concepts separately?

    • @kirkcannon8079
      @kirkcannon8079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Ryan Sansaricq
      I know romans copying things was a historical fact, very interested to see if this is true

    • @geordiejones5618
      @geordiejones5618 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@kirkcannon8079 from what little I can find, it may actually have been the one time the Romans were copied. The Roman Senate shows up in the historical record before that of Carthage, who stuck with monarchs for about a century after the Roman Republic displaced the last King of Rome. Carthage was under control of the Magonid clan during the 5th century BCE, who gradually made concessions to the populace for representation after major struggles and setbacks in Silicy that made them increasingly unpopular. But it seems that the Council of Elders had been around possibly as long as the city had been free from Tyre's influence. There is no way to know if the cities of Rome and Carthage even knew of each other's existence around 500 BCE (it wouldn't be surprising if they did but they couldn't have known much other than "that city on the water over there") but I think its safe to say they both arrived at similar concepts independently; that Carthage got the wheels turning to Republic rule first; and that the Roman Senate took full control before its Punic counterpart, transitioning away from monarchs much quicker.

    • @anaxagoras2930
      @anaxagoras2930 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Ryan Sansaricq Well I’m
      spitballing here but it’s definitely possible that these ideas spread through trade routes, travel roads, and war paths. And it’s probable they formed their own ideas and took some from the world.

    • @naevia9010
      @naevia9010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Basically they copied anything that worked for anybody lol. We know many Romans idolized Greek culture and societies specifically, so they may have done some copying from Greek-style democratic practices. But Rome did copy a LOT of things from Carthage, from ship-building to trading to urban design, so it's definitely a possibility that they copied some of their administrative practices from Carthage as well.

    • @critter30002001
      @critter30002001 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I doubt Rome copied it.
      It seems to be a concept that a lot of societies chose to remove the threat of a dictator.
      Sparta had two kings
      Rome had two consuls
      Carthage had two suffetes

  • @Blace0225
    @Blace0225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    Thank god you covered Carthage, there's not much love on this country who brought Rome to it's knees once.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      True. People tend to attack Rome for wiping Carthage off the map, but Carthage almost did the same to Rome. They didn't destroy them either upon winning the war, it took many years of fear.

    • @Blace0225
      @Blace0225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@JonatasAdoM I don't hate Rome to be honest, it's just the way of life empire's rise and fall. If i have to say the empire i hate the most is probably the mongols, but that's just me being bitter that they don't fight fair and war is never fair.
      I just like Carthage as it's the only country that the Rome really feared that they just have to destroy it, no other empires fought Rome at it's prime like Carthage did (Even though it was a pre marian legion), and by Carthage i just mean Hannibal.
      Hannibal is my favorite general alongside Caesar, but you have to admit that Hannibal is the better tactician. He gathered a ragtag of soldiers from different countries with different language and marched against Rome.

    • @RailwayPenguin
      @RailwayPenguin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blace0225 Well if I'm correct, the Roman's were also terrified of the Gaul which Caesar conquered.
      Though, I could be wrong.

    • @Blace0225
      @Blace0225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RailwayPenguin No, Gaul was as much at war with itself as it is with Rome, they are not a united country. The only time they united was when Rome with her armies was acting like they own the place, even then there were tribes that have already allied themselves with Rome and supplying them with cavalry and provisions.
      The only countries who could challenge Rome was a united one, Carthage, Parthia, Huns. That was why it could conquer the known world, most of them was not united, even the Greeks weren't united. It was sad to see Rome deteriorate over the centuries, probably because of the corruption and they kept fighting each other.

    • @RailwayPenguin
      @RailwayPenguin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blace0225 Yes but, again I might be wrong, but the Romans were afraid of provoking Gaul too much because they were afraid of Gaul uniting. Take Caesar Vs Vercingetorix, in which Caesar barely had any Gaullic allies, and was on the verge of defeat to Vercingetorix' army for nearly the entire war, with *ANOTHER* army marching towards (formally) Roman controlled Gaullic province which Caesar was supposed to defend. All of this because Caesar acting like he owned Gaul caused the Gaul to unite (more or less) under Vercingetorix.
      Thus even if it is to be debated if most Roman's feared Gaul, we can at least agree that most were afraid to provoke all of it at once, and with good reason.
      Also (unrelated) I believe they were also afraid of the Germans.

  • @Izak_James
    @Izak_James 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Carthage was lit

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Izak James Yea their system of governance was fire 🔥

    • @abloodorange5233
      @abloodorange5233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Literally by rome 😂

    • @MrCantStopTheRobot
      @MrCantStopTheRobot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Guys can we address the elephant in the room?

    • @abloodorange5233
      @abloodorange5233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MrCantStopTheRobot what I was trying to say was that carthage was lit LITERALLY by rome

    • @MrCantStopTheRobot
      @MrCantStopTheRobot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@abloodorange5233 I know, Mr. Gum. I got it, and I enjoyed it. For my part, I was making a pun, since Hannibal's signature military unit was his war-elephants.

  • @tegrin853
    @tegrin853 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Its crazy how similar the governments of Rome and Carthage were

    • @sevatarlives185
      @sevatarlives185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well... the Carthage/Rome dichotomy is a bit artificial. Carthage and indeed the Phoenician culture in general were also contemporaries of the Ancient Greeks and their "Magna Graecia" colonies- who, needless to say, were also involved in novel constitutional arrangements prior to Roman hegemony in the Mediterranean. The biblical book of judges also outlines a non-monarchical system of governance amongst the Ancient Israelites (though its historicity is disputed), as fellow Semitic languages the word for "Judge" in Hebrew and Phoenician are even very similar. To the North, the Celtic and Germanic tribes the Romans encountered are also described variously as being ruled by aristocratic oligarchies, "judges" or semi-elected kings.
      Personally, I'd suggest that Carthage&Rome were just variations on a theme that was very common in around the Mediterranean basin and Asia Minor in Antiquity. That theme being power coalescing into the hands of rich aristocratic/warrior elite families rather than directly into a single monarch.

  • @malster1239
    @malster1239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It's interesting that in that time almost all nations of the mediterranean was adopting a republic system

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not Ptolemnly of Egypt

  • @ekn_38
    @ekn_38 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    It's almost 5 AM over here in Germany and what am I doing? Watchin this lmao

    • @Condoc64
      @Condoc64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ekn _38 guten Morgen!

    • @pierresihite8854
      @pierresihite8854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You mean *Germania*

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Aren’t you supposed to be hiding in the forest waiting to ambush three clueless legions?

    • @Tzimiskes969
      @Tzimiskes969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Musst du nicht arbeiten?

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Germania Colonia Agrippina ?🏛️🏦🏛️🤴

  • @nohbuddy1
    @nohbuddy1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Got to love that harbour

    • @violasses
      @violasses 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it's called a cothon btw. it originally used refer to only the one in carthage, but was later used to describe other similar harbors

  • @justinbrockway7044
    @justinbrockway7044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hell yes. I’ve been waiting for more Carthage content!

  • @bendoy4555
    @bendoy4555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love it - I've been listening to the History of Rome podcast while in lockdown and just got onto the topic of Carthage this morning!

  • @JB-ue6lf
    @JB-ue6lf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    More videos about Carthage! I'm so happy I feel like I could cry. Thank you guys for all your hard work!

  • @SebaIzu
    @SebaIzu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video, as always. Very informative. Thanks for lifting my quarantine up!

  • @alejandrolopezromero8000
    @alejandrolopezromero8000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Last time I was this early, that Scipio kid was arriving at Zama

    • @Tia-Marie
      @Tia-Marie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Alejandro López Romero - I got here late and Cato the Elder will never let me forget it.

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Et tu ? 🏛️🏦🏛️🤴

  • @procrastination_at_perfection
    @procrastination_at_perfection 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for all the work you put in research and give us this content. Keep it up mates and stay healthy!

  • @PunicCurse
    @PunicCurse 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loving these videos on Carthage! Keep them coming!!!

  • @viperhead121
    @viperhead121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is honestly might be your best series yet. The quality is insane.

  • @powerist209
    @powerist209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    11:41- You mean the "strict caste system that annually terrorizes Helot serfs that outnumber them 10-to-1" Sparta?

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It shows how seriously we should take his opinion on Carthage. :D

    • @ciprianbolun3024
      @ciprianbolun3024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's Isocrates' opinion

    • @karl5722
      @karl5722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      All of ancient Greece was caracterised by slavery. Even the system of Athens (praised today) was built upon slavery. Slaves and women in fact constituted 90% of the athenian population yet had no right to vote.

    • @talknight2
      @talknight2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@karl5722 90% is probably a reach

    • @OCinneide
      @OCinneide 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@naddarr1 Doing a bit of reading it seems that even the poorest Athenians would have had at least one slave. So if half the population was women then 1/4 was men and a 1/4 slaves.

  • @vazak11
    @vazak11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful art and insightful coverage!

    • @vazak11
      @vazak11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like so many other cultures I wish Carthage had risen to prominence over Rome or Greece, it seems less shitty.

  • @Dan-cm9ow
    @Dan-cm9ow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Other Side of History is my favorite nonfiction audiobook in any category. Robert Garland is an exceptional teacher.

  • @DangerousBobTM
    @DangerousBobTM 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving this channel!

  • @bigredwolf6
    @bigredwolf6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Carthage: Exists
    Rome: wait, that’s illegal

    • @granda2126
      @granda2126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yea Carthage actually existed centuries before Rome so.....yea

  • @tbj1972
    @tbj1972 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video again 👍

  • @preetjitsingh328
    @preetjitsingh328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Carthage's system sounds awesome. That being said; the decision to stop the Barca brothers from destroying Rome cost them their civilization.

  • @vladimirbazhaev7851
    @vladimirbazhaev7851 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    your videos are just top notch!

  • @bahaigpt
    @bahaigpt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just finished by Carthage run in Imperator Rome, thanks for the video!

  • @nyreedix1719
    @nyreedix1719 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank u sooo much 4 this video

  • @israeelthegraetking
    @israeelthegraetking 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work man..

  • @lexorogtheelder4753
    @lexorogtheelder4753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great video. I have question, maybe you will answer it on the upcoming videos. How was art and culture like in Carthage? Were there any famous artist? Was owning beautiful art pieces a sign of wealth and prestige?

    • @sncii453
      @sncii453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do not subscribe to this version of the creation of Cartage. he assumes that the Berbers were uncultured, pugilistic people who received the exhausted, ragged Phoenician sailors or the destitute refugees as true demiurges. I remind you that history must be revised. The native kings, called Berbers, who received the first refugees were not ignorant they were powerful like the mighty Pharaoh Sheshonq I. Bare in mind that Berber tribes prospered economically and militarily for millennia on the North African and Spanish coasts and the islands of the Mediterranean, establishing trading posts such as Gadiz 3000 BC. The Phoenician traders benefited from these pre-existing networks. This video raises several questions!

  • @rogueraven1333
    @rogueraven1333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That bird's eye view of the city looks fantastic amazing work you guys. Can you mention the cities defenses in the next one like did Carthage really have that wall going around ye farm land and those 3 walls cutting of the peninsula like Constantinople.

  • @raheebr2438
    @raheebr2438 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Interesting!

  • @SebAnders
    @SebAnders 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I find it amazing that Rome and Carthage had such similar political systems, were they both influenced by an older political tradition?

  • @FighteroftheNightman
    @FighteroftheNightman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting topic. Carthage is such an awesome civilization

  • @road3547
    @road3547 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely amazing and love the detail.
    Anyway could there be a video about Guru Gobinsingh? He won many battles against all odds and freed an entire state of people.

  • @golden_smaug
    @golden_smaug 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I freakin love this channel

  • @vinfacts11
    @vinfacts11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It restores my faith to humanity to know that the country that once was Carthage is now a free and democracy!
    Hail Tunisia!

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Carthaginian Government seemed pretty impressive. It could have gone on to serve as a model for many other governments to come. But alas it was crushed by Rome. What a shame. Great job on this video.

  • @Sakeretsu
    @Sakeretsu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like how Invicta videos are all structured like essays for coursework

  • @justsomeguy3931
    @justsomeguy3931 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sound historical information (to the best of my knowledge), as always. You just convinced me to switch sides in the Punic Wars! You should do a video about Ancient Chinese Confucian government, the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, the way the bureaucracy was split into civil and military officials, and the Imperial civil service exams that could let even a peasant become great

  • @TheSuperhoden
    @TheSuperhoden 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it 😊

  • @Pianoman555
    @Pianoman555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi!
    Can you make a video about how they created tickets for the ancient amphitheater’s and events? What sort of materials did they use?

  • @brandonhuynh4528
    @brandonhuynh4528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Bal’Hammon be praised!

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🏛️🏛️🏛️🌿👁️👁️🌿👎

    • @IAmCaligvla
      @IAmCaligvla 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gotta get some of that child barbecue ready fam. 👌

    • @tndgu
      @tndgu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The enemy general is killed!

    • @jamesmiller2521
      @jamesmiller2521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lady Tanit be praised!

  • @JMRolf1
    @JMRolf1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please post your sources in the description. Thanks!

  • @ilFrancotti
    @ilFrancotti 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved the drawings from Rocio Pinar.

  • @dezabunny
    @dezabunny 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you guys make the best videos it's like You can teach children anything Like my children Watch it all the time

  • @luciano9755
    @luciano9755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    There was no "good guys/bad guys" situation. Carthage was expanding as quickly as Rome was, and the Punic Wars were inevitable. It's a shame that they couldn't coexist and benefit from each other.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Some things never change.
      Same thing with Persians and Eastern Romans. It's hard for empires to coexist next to each other.

    • @Strider91
      @Strider91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well they did "benefit from each other" Rome adopted many aspects of Carthages government, military, and even economy. Yes Rome in its early days had no word for "Peace treatise" or "Cease fire" so they fought wars until the enemy was annihilated or Rome was, but they were not some horde of savages. Rome survived as long as it did because when it saw something that worked or that it liked in an enemy it assimilated it almost instantly. That was actually one of Rome greatest strengths was how fast it could adopt and implement even radical change into its culture or military.

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Carthage had human sacrifices, rome did not . Simple choice to me

    • @atafmaalaoui4761
      @atafmaalaoui4761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@zm1786 Rome did not ?
      Gladiators given to beast ? To Lions ?
      To others deadly animals ?
      And i didn't even spoke about slaves...

    • @Strider91
      @Strider91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@atafmaalaoui4761 actually gladiators were seen as investments and would never have been thrown to the beasts. Prisoners and criminals were, it was one of many ways the Roman's would carry out a death sentence. How bad you died depended on the severity of your crime. That stuff's mostly Hollywood or biblical overhyping. Also if you were going to be a slave anywhere in the ancient world trust me. . . .Rome was the place. In Rome you were still your owners property but they would be punished under Roman law for doing you harm. In addition slaves could buy there freedom in Rome and even become Roman citizens there after (allowing them to own slaves) especially if you were the slave of a wealthy family you often learned to read and write and it was against the law for any Roman to starve a slave so you were typically well fed. However if you were captured in war, especially from an arch enemy of Rome the state often took ownership of you. . . . .and worked you to death. But still better than being a slave anywhere else

  • @argenthellion
    @argenthellion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Invicta Oh we need the link for that Carthage city wallpaper shot... Pretty please :)

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its artwork I commissioned and will be probably linking in the future

  • @alverio2727
    @alverio2727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    "6 minutes ago"
    I'm a simple man. I see a new Invicta video, I press like.

  • @abbba2007
    @abbba2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    TLDW: We don't know, send your thanks to Scipio.

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Rome left Carthage untouched even when Hannibal had ransacked most of the Roman countryside. Carthage brought doom upon itself when it declared war again after failing to follow a non-agression pact.

    • @paulohenriqueferreiradealm1893
      @paulohenriqueferreiradealm1893 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@luciano9755 Which they failled becaues the romans asked too much of them while making everything in their power to make sure Carthage would not be able to keep its part of the agreement.

    • @user-lq1jc6wf5m
      @user-lq1jc6wf5m 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks, Scipio, because of your actions the Light of Rome would continue to shine over Europe for thousands of years.

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luciano9755
      WHAT?!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROME IS CLEARLY AN IMPERIALISTS WHICH IS WHY IT WENT AFTER CARTHAGE FIRST!!! IT CLEARLY WANT TO REMOVE CARTHAGE SO THAT IT CAN BE THE SOLE SUPREME POWER IN THE MEDITERRANEAN!!!
      LOOK AT WHAT ROME DID TO THE JEWS, THE DRUIDS OF THE CELTS, THE GERMANS, ETC.
      STOP ACTING AS IF ROME IS INNOCENT!!

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      F U! Like you, the Romans have zero morality for removing an entire nation from existence! You have zero rights to live!

  • @nathanofthefranks2955
    @nathanofthefranks2955 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey when is part 2 of evolution of the Roman Legions coming? it been 4 years now and you said you will most definitely be finishing it

  • @justinmckay6309
    @justinmckay6309 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love history

  • @djstona5284
    @djstona5284 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting video adds more weight to the punic war i had no idea cartage was a republic

  • @danyalullah6320
    @danyalullah6320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    can you do a video on banking in the ancient world

  • @beyremalmi684
    @beyremalmi684 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I d like to thank you for such video about Carthage, In Tunisia we still have information and details that might be useful in spite of what the romans did by turning our ancestors into “the evils “ in front of the world in most of the histo. Books and that we v been just a bench of “barbarians”
    Keep it up guys 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @humanaesthetic
    @humanaesthetic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Even in Rome Total War and subsequent mods, I’ve always been interested in Carthage and imagining a counterfactual history where they rose to power instead of Rome. So interesting to hear how democratic they may have been.

  • @manooxi327
    @manooxi327 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tnx

  • @HarmvE
    @HarmvE 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your vids on Roman society, I thought the law series was amazing.

  • @e3ap-bg
    @e3ap-bg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video yet again! Looks to me like Carthagenian government was much like its Roman counterpart. 2 x Consul = 2 x Suffete; Senate is still Senate...

  • @karl5722
    @karl5722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the idea that they seperated military roles from the civil roles in their constitution. We should try this idea!

    • @r.p.4756
      @r.p.4756 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why?

    • @theouerthi
      @theouerthi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      oddly enough , Tunisia ( modern day Carthage) has that in our constitution , military can't even vote ... And you should look up how highly regarded our military is by our people .

  • @miguellliteras7842
    @miguellliteras7842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Make a video of how was growing up in ancient Carthage plis, greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      planning on it

    • @jeffslote9671
      @jeffslote9671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you got to grow up. Child sacrifice was common

    • @asgautbakke8687
      @asgautbakke8687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeffslote9671 Human sacrifice was a religious practice from far into the grey mist of ancient times in Semitic lands, in Egypt it went out of use by the end of the 1st dynasty. That it was taken up again in Carthage may be due to Berber influence may be? It was in any case only children who went to the pyre of Baal Hammon, ideally they should be offspring of the beseecher i.e. in case of a wanted military victory it should be a child of the general...
      It goes without saying that few aristocrats would allow their children to be burnt. So Carthaginian aristocrats had often BIG families of adopted children from poor families of the city, they were granted a life far better than their parents could ever dream about giving them but always under the risk of being thrown to the god for the sake of something important.

    • @jeffslote9671
      @jeffslote9671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@asgautbakke8687 Actually no. The Carthaginians ancestors were the biblical Cannites which is were it comes from. You sacrificed your own children for favor from the gods especially during times of crisis

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Carthago muerto

  • @RafaelHyginoMeggiolaro
    @RafaelHyginoMeggiolaro 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be nice to have access to the sources ^^

  • @ilejovcevski79
    @ilejovcevski79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting parallel to the 2 Consuls and the Senate of Rome.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Such a fascinating subject about how the ancient government of Carthage works. However, I cannot stress this enough, *CARTHAGO DELENDA EST*

    • @tyrian_baal
      @tyrian_baal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Carthago servanda est, Carthage must be saved!

    • @justinbeath5169
      @justinbeath5169 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@tyrian_baal no, may Jupiter strike you down for such a horrid suggestion

    • @tyrian_baal
      @tyrian_baal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      justin beath This is a quote from Cornelius Scipio, the grand son of Scipio Africanus, he wanted Carthage to survive and the fact that you call this suggestion horrible, from the grandson of a Scipio, means that you are disrespecting the entire Scipid family, and Jupiter himself. CARTHAGO SERVANDA EST!!

    • @monkofdarktimes
      @monkofdarktimes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Save carthago don't trust a cato

    • @ahmedawedni2362
      @ahmedawedni2362 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hannibal ad portas

  • @ahoosifoou4211
    @ahoosifoou4211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Just imagine how the world would be like if carthage ruled instead of rome.

    • @loukasmaki
      @loukasmaki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As Dan Carlin said there wouldn't be any Christianity if there is no Roman soldiers to put Jesus on the cross.

    • @darthmortus5702
      @darthmortus5702 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Worse, they sacrificed children.

    • @KlaussMarcellus
      @KlaussMarcellus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Better, Rome only got its power by war and decimating entire cultures to ensure no revolts would happens. Yet Rome was full of rebellions, assassinations and coups d'etat. Carthage in the other hand was the closest goverment to a free one, it was built upon trade and negotiations, always using war as last option. Yet Carthage was way more diverse in every single aspect.

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@KlaussMarcellus and human sacrifice was the norm .

    • @funfact8660
      @funfact8660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Let's not and say We did 🏛️🏦🏛️🤴

  • @Armorius2199
    @Armorius2199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you going to continue the series on what if Caesar lived?????

  • @Number1Irishlad
    @Number1Irishlad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    12:14 "we shall never know" alright boys time for a Punic uprising, restart Carthage!

  • @ZapR21
    @ZapR21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Zeus is proud of this channel

  • @--Paws--
    @--Paws-- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Either by sheer coincidence, after watching the history of Carthage, I wondered how the structure of its government was. It is as though the algorithm is set on to actually follow my interests, finally.

  • @menaseven9093
    @menaseven9093 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video about Carthage government, Carthage oligarchic republic that was composed of two suffetes (presidents or prime ministers), a senate and a popular assembly remind me of the USA plutocratic democratic republic composed of a president and a vice president, a senate and a house of representative.

  • @EvansdiAl
    @EvansdiAl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we have a link to Beverly Johnson's art? It was incredible

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It gets shared with Patrons actually

    • @EvansdiAl
      @EvansdiAl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@InvictaHistory We'd like to see her website, I'll get to see the art for this video when I get employed

  • @yosrihadjayed1930
    @yosrihadjayed1930 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lady Tanit bless our journey

  • @apostolispouliakis7401
    @apostolispouliakis7401 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Truly a high civilization

  • @THOTHGames
    @THOTHGames 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    3:38am. Watching video on Carthage. Whelp.

  • @petercroves8562
    @petercroves8562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would many of the forms of Government being adopted by Rome ?, also the 104 seem like the Senate as they seat for life, What of the Senators?

  • @ROMA--AETERNA
    @ROMA--AETERNA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder how much Greek settlements in North Africa, c. VIII° BCE, influenced the Carthage government described here.

  • @SgtThiel
    @SgtThiel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Did rome and carthage copied the yearly-two-guys system from someone else? Sparta also had two kings, though those were for life

    • @AhmetwithaT
      @AhmetwithaT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Likely. They were all on the same Mediterranean trade network and all shared some amount of Greek influence.

    • @RailwayPenguin
      @RailwayPenguin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rome did grow near many Greek Colonies.

    • @Tu51ndBl4d3
      @Tu51ndBl4d3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@AhmetwithaT Carthage is older than any Greece city state

    • @AhmetwithaT
      @AhmetwithaT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tu51ndBl4d3 What does that change?

    • @Tu51ndBl4d3
      @Tu51ndBl4d3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@AhmetwithaT So they were not influenced by a child.

  • @karthebest5155
    @karthebest5155 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:06 ya mean wiped out?

  • @nopulau8628
    @nopulau8628 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Invicta in your opinion, what could’ve saved Carthage? What could they have done to save themselves from total destruction?

    • @PoochieCollins
      @PoochieCollins 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not Invicta, but I have an opinion on your question, after a somewhat deep dive into Carthage. Still on TH-cam?

  • @legate6680
    @legate6680 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly I am suprised as much information survived the Romans. Excellent video.
    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed.

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA FOR WHAT HE DID TO ROME! PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA FOR WHAT HE DID TO THE ROMANS AT CANNAE! PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA FOR THE 300,000 ROMAN LIVES LOST IN HANNIBAL BARCA'S CAMPAIGNS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    • @jasondelrosario5523
      @jasondelrosario5523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're literally glorifying ethnic cleansing. You like the Romans totally deserved what Arminius and Hannibal Barca did to the Romans. You like the Romans totally deserved what the Persians did to Crassus after what happened in Carrhae. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • @ahmadsultan4643
    @ahmadsultan4643 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Invicta can you make a video on the Roman Arabian relationship

  • @lexprontera8325
    @lexprontera8325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "People from Phoenix are Phoenicians" - LCK

  • @Stinger913
    @Stinger913 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t know why, but I’d really like to see Invicta react to Red vs. Blue or RWBY. Very not-historical shows but the latter at least has many overt references to historical figure and tales, and the former can just be funny.

  • @kennyPAGC
    @kennyPAGC 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are there any other examples of republics before modern times Carthage, Rome and Greee? (I guess the reason is that they all influenced each other) I find it interesting that most other civilizations through history went with monarchies of some kind (non dynastic as well, but monarchies after all), but as early as a few centuries BCE Rome, Greece and Carthage were having republics instead.

    • @alexcyr4149
      @alexcyr4149 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      kennyPAGC check out Gana Sangha. It was a quasi-Republican form of oligarchic government in ancient India.

  • @mariojeromechavez6663
    @mariojeromechavez6663 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the greatest governments in Classical Antiquity!

  • @uhhhhyourmom
    @uhhhhyourmom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can anyone recommend any books about Carthage?

  • @MrRedcarpet02
    @MrRedcarpet02 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you post the music track by itself?

  • @rymbenboubaker2223
    @rymbenboubaker2223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🇹🇳 carthage will remain a gorgeous part of our history as Tunisian ! Not only carthage had one of the oldest constitution but also the biggest port and trade center at that time .also gave birth of the greatest military commanders in history hannibal !
    Other funny facts : carthage was founded by a smart woman who used leather to define her territory...

    • @baam8014
      @baam8014 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That story is a myth.

  • @crose1466
    @crose1466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It’s interesting how there’s a lot of similarities to modern systems like America.

    • @reybladen3068
      @reybladen3068 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Or modern systems were modeled after and improved upon the ancients

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's also interesting to see how republican systems ceased to exist for about a millenia before the times of the Renaissance. They were on the right path, but stability was a bigger concern back then.

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@luciano9755 yeah because the Republics of Venice, Florence, Genoa and Ragusa didn't exist in medieval times.

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Justin Goetz Prove it.

  • @wizard680
    @wizard680 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did you mean to upload at 10:30 PM EST? Bit odd to see someone upload so late

  • @Tia-Marie
    @Tia-Marie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cato the Elder believes this video lacks salt.

  • @sirBrouwer
    @sirBrouwer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    can i get a picture version of your Carthage city map? i have looked online but those are less detailed or from the wrong angle.
    I really like the version in the video. makes me want to explore the area

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its a actually a map I commissioned for this series on Carthage. I've also got an alternate version of it under attack for use in our eventual video on the Siege of Carthage.

    • @sirBrouwer
      @sirBrouwer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@InvictaHistory that is then a very good artist.
      i understand that you won't like to public it than a god commissioned item can be pricey. so i will do with just looking at the picture in the video.

  • @connorgolden4
    @connorgolden4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed.

    • @OkThisllbeMyName
      @OkThisllbeMyName 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Imperialx Warlord Carthago delenda est uwu

    • @hotdogfingerz9674
      @hotdogfingerz9674 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Chad Scipio Africanus vs Virgin Hannibal

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      HotDogFingerz Hannibal was a Chad as well. Even dovahhatty agrees.

    • @hotdogfingerz9674
      @hotdogfingerz9674 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Imperialx Warlord I agree Hannibal was definitely a chad but it's for the joke

    • @Vexin980
      @Vexin980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@hotdogfingerz9674 Chad Hannibal Barca vs Thad Scipio Africanus

  • @novohispana
    @novohispana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wasn't Hannibal's mother iberian? Regardless, excellent vid as always.

    • @novohispana
      @novohispana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lusitanian, to be precise. No?

    • @user-sx1mm1sl6u
      @user-sx1mm1sl6u 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@novohispana no but his wife was

  • @hm94goal
    @hm94goal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:31 again, the same error as kings&generals, an inaccurate map of the Phoenecian world.
    leaving out some of the most important cities like Ugarit and others in the Syrian coast.

  • @fhialsdhkt43tg72
    @fhialsdhkt43tg72 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    starts at 1:29

  • @Mauricio-qs9up
    @Mauricio-qs9up 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like most of the videos, but they are TOO SHORT! Make longer videos, 30 to 45.

  • @asgautbakke8687
    @asgautbakke8687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've read up on administration in Carthage and it seems to me that You miss some important links describing administration in the town.
    Between the decline of Tyre and the early fourth century BC the monarchical system lingered but with a far weaker king than before, with the suffetes as principal government heads (a cognate with hebrew "shofet" judge like Samson, Samuel, Joshua etc. - the Phoenician language was different from Hebrew about as much as English and German) and the Senate below them and the popular assembly at bottom. The king was elective but mostly from certain top aristocratic families - i.e. not all families with representation in the Senate, and he was elected for life. What took place about 396 BC if my memory of the book on Carthage I read doesn't fail me, was that the last king was executed and the suffetes took over his religious functions - they went opposite way of Israel...
    It is said in the video that the popular assembly voted by subgroups. We happen to know what these subgroups were, not tribes like in Rome. They were adherents of various gods for religious administration, groups tasked with maintenance of some public utility, with maintaining law and order like a modern police... The membership would function like a problem solving body but also a social meeting, discussing matters and feasting etc. Anyone could apply for membership of such task forces but the more exalted prestige such a group had, the harder it was to gain admission. The Court of 104 was one such group, the topmost. So the heads of such groups were the lower administrative body, the day to day running of the city.
    This means that the many curators, pretors, aediles etc. of a Roman city wasn't found, their task were handled by such gangs with small leaders of unknown formal titles. Also there is another fact, Carthage was a colonial state of Semitic origin, like USA and Australia today are colonial states of English origin. Carthage being Semitic meant that the aeons old Semitic administrative principle of disregard of any distinction between secular and spiritual. We see it even today in Arabian states, religion isn't a part of life like in the West, life is a part of religion. This means that a lot of administration of public affairs took place in temples, Hannibal had a good many priests with him on campaign.

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you link to your references for this?

    • @asgautbakke8687
      @asgautbakke8687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@InvictaHistory Paulys Reallexicon (in German), published between 1939 and 1974.
      Gilbert Charles Picard and Collette Picard: Carthage. Sedgewick & Jackson. Great civilization series. London 1987.