If Islam beats 2 guys at 155 and 2 guys 170 then he's the goat. Longest win streak and 8 title wns at the 2 hardest weight classes and simultaneous double champ makes him the goat imo, also considering he'll have beaten guys like Volk, Charles and Leon.
@@minthoundz6251 if you wanna go that route, dominick cruz is regarded as the BW goat but still hes not named in the top 10 of all time, even if hes fighting in the hardest division
Anthony Smith gets too much hate, he simply speaks his mind, it’s definitely not always common takes and logical ones but just let the guy say what he wants
It's not all about title defenses. Quality of wins is an important one. If Islam beat Arman moved up to 170 and beat Leon, Shavkat JDM he's the GOAT If Pereira beat Ankhalaev and move up to 265 then beat Jon Jones and Aspinall. He's definitely the GOAT If Topuria could clear out the division and beat Islam. He could also be a GOAT
Lightweight to Welterweight is probably one of the hardest jumps to make in the UFC. If Makhachev can beat Edwards, I think that would put him as the GOAT. That is a huge welterweight that he needs to beat, would be a crazy achievement. Conor McGregor basically matched Nate Diaz, but to defeat someone of the quality of Leon Edwards, it would take something really special.
I love Alex periera and I’d love to see him be the first triple champ but he’s just not going to beat jones or aspinall .. it’s not happening, no matter how we’d all love to see it
@@Harry1of1 he needs to beat arman, leon, shavkat, jdm and that on top of volk twice, charles, dustin, and a young arman puts him into the conversation but its not definitive with those 4 wins, he probably needs two more after that to really be considered the goat.
@@Harry1of1he wins against Arman that’s the LW title defense record. Presumably goes up to WW after that. If he beats Leon then would defend against Shavkat that would be double champ, with UFC win streak record as PFP #1. That’s easily top 5 all time.
"to be the UFC Goat you have to have double champ status" oh come on, Jones was already considered the GOAT before that borderline meaningless Gane win, and DJ and Silva are still up there in the convo for a lot of people.
@@epilog80 mnyeh, i think another defence or two at LHW would have done more for his legacy than taking a *vacant* title at HW. If he had beaten a champ to take it, maybe it would count for more, but like this...
@@Schmeisserinho Yeah i agree, felt like he waited till the perfect moment to move up when it was easiest. if he got a Stipe fight right after and retired then it would be a much cleaner legacy. Though he still has insane amounts of dirt on his legacy.
I personally disagree. Quality>quantity, I think Islam can be in a goat conversation in 3-4 fights, with the 2nd belt. The level of competition he's beating is crazy. Something similar with Leon. Having 2 wins over Usman is already really good, and WW conteders are solid. Could be in the goat conversation in 4-5 fights Topuria can potentially have all Volk, Max and Islam on his resume, maybe beat Volk and Max more than once. If he gets those and maybe a couple of other wins, I think he could be in goat conversation too. Also disagree with Pereira. His best win is over Izzy, and he is 1-1 with him. I dont rate wins over Jiri and Hill that high, and I dont think win over Jones will put him in top 5
I disagree with your statement.Jiri and Hill's only losses in the UFC are with Alex.His wins were dominant though. And winning a championship in 3 weightclasses have never done before. So he would clearly be in top 5, if he beat Jones (The GOAT). If Alex beat Ankhalaev, Jones and Aspinall (unlikely to happen) he's clearly the GOAT of the sport. It's not all about title defenses
I think toporia is over hyped tbh. Fought 2 senior citizens in a row who are out of their prime. Volk was 35 and Josh was 38 lol. No one has won or defended a belt at 155 and below for a reason.
sad to see that mokaev got cut...
If Islam beats 2 guys at 155 and 2 guys 170 then he's the goat. Longest win streak and 8 title wns at the 2 hardest weight classes and simultaneous double champ makes him the goat imo, also considering he'll have beaten guys like Volk, Charles and Leon.
@@zarifinator1327 I agree but I think bantamweight is the hardest division with Lw and WW right behind
@@minthoundz6251 if you wanna go that route, dominick cruz is regarded as the BW goat but still hes not named in the top 10 of all time, even if hes fighting in the hardest division
Great video Harry! Please make a tier list of the most delusional things fighters have said
Appreciate it bro
An entire Anthony Smith video sounds exhausting 😂
Anthony Smith gets too much hate, he simply speaks his mind, it’s definitely not always common takes and logical ones but just let the guy say what he wants
If islam beats Arman, Leon, and a nother solid contender at either 155 or 170 i eould call him the goat
Volk x2 Charles Dustin arman x2 leon x2 Rahmanov. What a resume
@@daboythanos7095 if he did that he's top 3 EASY
@@OliverGuitermanhes top 3 easily maybe top 2 or p4p 1? we will never know how good he can get
I think the thing people need to remember about Raul too is that he’s still growing too. I reckon we’ll end up seeing him at FW in the next 5-6 years
It's not all about title defenses. Quality of wins is an important one. If Islam beat Arman moved up to 170 and beat Leon, Shavkat JDM he's the GOAT
If Pereira beat Ankhalaev and move up to 265 then beat Jon Jones and Aspinall. He's definitely the GOAT
If Topuria could clear out the division and beat Islam. He could also be a GOAT
Lightweight to Welterweight is probably one of the hardest jumps to make in the UFC. If Makhachev can beat Edwards, I think that would put him as the GOAT. That is a huge welterweight that he needs to beat, would be a crazy achievement.
Conor McGregor basically matched Nate Diaz, but to defeat someone of the quality of Leon Edwards, it would take something really special.
I love Alex periera and I’d love to see him be the first triple champ but he’s just not going to beat jones or aspinall .. it’s not happening, no matter how we’d all love to see it
Ian garry cant be vegan anymore at 185, it made canelo look like a can of himself vs Bivol and then canelo went back to normal diet
Islam is probably the only guy who could but the dagestanis retire early so idk
His opponents imo are better than Khabib's. Ending the Olivera reign, went 5 rounds with the p for p nr. 1 and then beating Dustin at his own game.
He also has to hold a belt for 4 more years fighting twice a year
@@Harry1of1 he needs to beat arman, leon, shavkat, jdm and that on top of volk twice, charles, dustin, and a young arman puts him into the conversation but its not definitive with those 4 wins, he probably needs two more after that to really be considered the goat.
@@Harry1of1he wins against Arman that’s the LW title defense record. Presumably goes up to WW after that. If he beats Leon then would defend against Shavkat that would be double champ, with UFC win streak record as PFP #1. That’s easily top 5 all time.
@@Eddie0102id argue his competition if that scenario plays out is greater than jones or MM and would easily put him top 3 OAT
Ian Garry
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10:47 bro forgot about belal 🤣
Belal "What was the name again?" Muhammad 💀
Bo nickal over Israel Adesanya is crazy
"to be the UFC Goat you have to have double champ status" oh come on, Jones was already considered the GOAT before that borderline meaningless Gane win, and DJ and Silva are still up there in the convo for a lot of people.
Now that Jones has done it though it is practically impossible without. Jones got away earlier because of the insane amount of defences that he had.
@@epilog80 mnyeh, i think another defence or two at LHW would have done more for his legacy than taking a *vacant* title at HW. If he had beaten a champ to take it, maybe it would count for more, but like this...
@@Schmeisserinho Yeah i agree, felt like he waited till the perfect moment to move up when it was easiest. if he got a Stipe fight right after and retired then it would be a much cleaner legacy. Though he still has insane amounts of dirt on his legacy.
Taira?
Harry on the grind 🔥🔥
Topuria has elite boxing and we already know it 😂
his boxing is elite forsure but to become a goat contender he probs need to have the best boxing in ufc history
I personally disagree.
Quality>quantity, I think Islam can be in a goat conversation in 3-4 fights, with the 2nd belt. The level of competition he's beating is crazy.
Something similar with Leon. Having 2 wins over Usman is already really good, and WW conteders are solid. Could be in the goat conversation in 4-5 fights
Topuria can potentially have all Volk, Max and Islam on his resume, maybe beat Volk and Max more than once. If he gets those and maybe a couple of other wins, I think he could be in goat conversation too.
Also disagree with Pereira. His best win is over Izzy, and he is 1-1 with him. I dont rate wins over Jiri and Hill that high, and I dont think win over Jones will put him in top 5
I disagree with your statement.Jiri and Hill's only losses in the UFC are with Alex.His wins were dominant though. And winning a championship in 3 weightclasses have never done before. So he would clearly be in top 5, if he beat Jones (The GOAT).
If Alex beat Ankhalaev, Jones and Aspinall (unlikely to happen) he's clearly the GOAT of the sport. It's not all about title defenses
HARRY , SERIOUSLY NOW DA ONLY GOAT IN THAT PICTURE IS ALEX DA REST OF THEN NEVER HAPPEN SERIOUSLY GOT TO GO WRONG PICK .
It may be a hot take, but merab is closer to being the BW goat than o malley
“It’s not ridiculous, it’s not ridiculous to say that”
The Lucas Tracy effect.
It’s true, wayyyy more dominant and not 1 dimensional
Mate, your takes are trash 😂
I think toporia is over hyped tbh. Fought 2 senior citizens in a row who are out of their prime. Volk was 35 and Josh was 38 lol. No one has won or defended a belt at 155 and below for a reason.
Bruh let him defend his title then we can say he is over hyped or not.