Great video for playing 'Identify the irrelevant automobile'. Btw, as a kid I often passed Ashley's premises next to the Robin Hood pub on the Epping New Road in Essex. It looked more like a coach house than a garage.
The first mini engine shown as a Cooper engine was actually a cooking 850 (single carb), the second one titled as a 997 Cooper was actually a 1275 Cooper S motor for those who dont know, an S motor can be immediatley identified by the two 1.3/4" carbs and the two extra anti curling head studs one of which can be seen to the right tucked in immediatley behind the thermostat housing the other one being behind the heater valve on the left hand side just barely visible under that blue accelerator cable. the last pic (the Downton engine) also shows these extra head studs off as well.
Stock 1275 Cooper S Minis came with twin 1.25 inch SU carburettors, but there were alloy manifolds available that with the bolt-patterns to accept the studs for twin 1.5 or 1.75 inch SU carbs (once you'd ground out the manifold with a die-grinder to the correct diameter)! After discovering my inlet-manifold could fit larger carbs, I found a 1.5 inch SU carb at a wreckers that had the float-chamber on the opposite side to those standard on the Morris 1100 which used to be abundantly available here in Australia. For those classic-Mini fans who are unaware, early Minis came with a 1.25" single SU carb which had the bowl on the radiator side of the car (RHS of photo at 0:17), while larger engines having a 1.5" single SU carb would usually have the bowl on the clutch side (LHS looking into engine-bay from front of car if FWD like the 1100), although there were more cars like MGBs with twin SU carbs. Going up to 1.75" SUs the common variety were back to having the float-chamber back on the other side like the 1.25" SUs, although there were even larger capacity engines utilising multiple 1.75" & 2" SUs linked together, but those were in rare, expensive, luxury English vehicles. When Leyland Australia stopped fitting dual 1.25" SU carbs to the Clubman 1275GT due to the cost, they then decided to fit a single larger SU carb in its place until Leyland stopped building the Mini Clubman, which wasn't that long before they closed their factories here in Aust.! Interestingly, the engine (Downton?) shown at 2:55 uses what looks like a Weber carburettor!
@@MrWombatty You might want to recheck that, 998's standard fit was 1.25's, 1275 motors were 1.75. and one of MY manifolds mounted a 40 DCOE Weber in the early seventies. I've also seen cars modified to take AMAL motorbike carbs.
@@usernamesreprise4068 Your 1275 S was probably upgraded to larger SUs by a previous owner, but I know what the stock sizes were as I owned a 1310cc Mk1 Cooper S, but as the body was ratty, I found a clean 1973 Mini Clubman S (original 1100cc motor had crapped itself), then fully converted it to a rally-spec Cooper S complete with raised & modified hydrolastic-suspension which oversteered nicely!
@@MrWombatty Firstly let me say I was a time served mechanic from the late sixties to the mid eighties, and have both worked on as well as owned many minis mainly 1275 S's, in the Garage I worked for we did an awful lot of clubman rally car builds as we were all involved in the clubman rallying scene back then, the car I was referring to was a pic on this video where the content maker said was a 1275 S even though clearly it was a single carbed 850 it wasnt "my" car. from memory a 1310cc motor is actually 1304 cc which is the result of a 40 thou overbore, two of my own cars were also 40 thou overbores the second one was actually 1340cc using a works long throw crank and ran a ported inlet manifold with a 40 dcoe weber, over sized valves in a ported and flowed head and a BLMC works two and a half inch exhaust system out of a one and three quarter four into two into one exhaust manifold, from the back of the car (for the time) it looked for all the world like one of those nasty after market "big bore" exhaust boxes except this was a complete right through system with two tuned and skidded exhaust boxes that adhered to scruteneering decibel levels. all my cars were fitted with straight cut close ratio gearboxes and idler gears, the sound when giving it the beans is one you will never forget....especially with a DCOE drowning the exhaust noise, the second car sat on 8.5 x 10 minilights (the original magnesium versions which I bought from a freind in the Leyland competitions department who sold them to me as a favour) we never ran hydrolastic systems on the cars as it was just too damned soft and prone to failure at the worst possible moment for clubman rallying, my favourite trick back in the day was going round and round larger roundabouts flat out on the limiter in third with the offside front wheel belching massive clouds of acrid rubber smoke as it spun (weeeeelll I was A BOY back then lol damned expensive way to abuse Klebers though), we never actually dyno'd my own motor but relating it to others we had built and tested for customers that we HAD dyno'd I reckon mine was putting out somewhere between 150 and a 160 horse at the wheels at seven thousand five..a guesstimate yes but I think was pretty accurate....quite exciting in a car that weighed less than a thousand pounds wringing wet.
At 2:16 there are some wild names for the suspension parts. Cintor lank, Control aans, Conckage, Macchherson susprension, Double wishroine and my favourite... scorcoon socks.
The idea that Lotus were "A giant" in the early 1950s is pretty ridiculous. However, it was good to see 4 of the more unusual 1950s kit car companies being highlighted
Lots of interesting info, but the video itself is a bitsa, strung together with every kind of random illustration - like a kit-car made from an assortment of parts bins.
A very interesting video, let down by the random use of cutaway chassis images, and random engines. Also several images of the cars that you are describing, are different model cars.
Yes, that was annoying when referring to "an innovative rear suspension or chassis" and then showing something unrelated. Totally pointless if you want to learn from the video.
Using stock footage of Left Hand Drive vehicles when discussing cars from a country who drive Right Hand Drive vehicles. Using the US spelling of Liter rather than Litre
Best of all: at 5:50 the picture of post war Britain is hilarious! Which war are we talking about - the Boer War? Oh, and Berkshire is pronounced "barksher"
There was a connection between the Deep Sanderson and the French Monica Saloon. I believe there is a brief shot of a Monica prototype on this video. Early Bucklers were really observed Trials cars, some are still used today. When I was a youth in the sixties, a neighbour had an Ashley, built from a kit.
Although Bucklers were very successful in trials from the outset, they were meant to be all round sports cars and even the first ones had a good racing pedigree.
Chris Lawrence was responsible for the Monica. A Frenchman with plenty of money, made from rail freight cars, was the finance behind the car. I worked for Chris Lawrence at Morgan on the Aero 8 from 1999 to 2006.
The influences of Ashley's bodies can bee seen in the Sabra sports cars..Especially in the area of the coupes middle section from firewall, A pillar, windshield and top.. Interestingly enough, the windshield of the Sabra came from the Meadows Frisky.
correct suspension issues would be noticable straight and in curves. and there are still other factors depend what type of straight line instability is being seen as to the cause but most straight like instability is Aerodynamic
I've already mentioned Ginetta G21 in one of my previous videos. But more parts of this video topic will come. Can't include all of them in a single video you know☺️
Really nice little oddball video. perhaps spoilt by the amount of irrelevant pictures and footage. I would have preferred leaving that out and lingering longer on the actual featured cars. Also a quick check on English pronounciation would have helped.
another Chris Lawrence, behind the wheel of the experimental Deep Sanderson 105 single seater twin-engined carthat was designed for hill climbs, outfitted with twin two 1137cc Downton Cooper engines ,delivering aprox 214bhp in a rolling set up that was in around 900 lbs in weight
To my eyes these don't look like cars so much as over sized go-karts. How would you drive these toy like vehicles in bad weather? How would they hold up on rough roads or streets? Would they be safe to drive, I mean some didn't even have roll bars. I know people who own mini coopers, they ride rough, are cramped and their heaters simply don't work. They look cute and get good gas mileage, and they should as they are basically powered by motorcycle size engines. But small cars are not what people want for day to day use.
@@glennvage Actually I have! My neighbor's daughter owns one and he took me for a ride in it. I'm six foot 210 pounds, he is six foot one and two hundred pounds and we were cramped! The mini is small, it has small wheels and when you hit a pot hole the wheels drop in and hit the edge coming out of it. My SUV has fifteen inch wheels which can straddle a pothole without dropping into it. My neighbor has had to replace a wheel on his daughter's mini already! I live in Western New York and winters can be hard here, and frost causes potholes. It also gets cold and the mini doesn't have a very good heater, and the windshield takes forever to clear.
@@bullettube9863 ...one can only marvel at the childlike arrogance of someone who describes a universally accepted design classic that sold/sells in millions,in such a way.i am not a car designer for a living.just a wild guess here...but your'e not either
Great video for playing 'Identify the irrelevant automobile'.
Btw, as a kid I often passed Ashley's premises next to the Robin Hood pub on the Epping New Road in Essex. It looked more like a coach house than a garage.
The first mini engine shown as a Cooper engine was actually a cooking 850 (single carb), the second one titled as a 997 Cooper was actually a 1275 Cooper S motor for those who dont know, an S motor can be immediatley identified by the two 1.3/4" carbs and the two extra anti curling head studs one of which can be seen to the right tucked in immediatley behind the thermostat housing the other one being behind the heater valve on the left hand side just barely visible under that blue accelerator cable. the last pic (the Downton engine) also shows these extra head studs off as well.
Stock 1275 Cooper S Minis came with twin 1.25 inch SU carburettors, but there were alloy manifolds available that with the bolt-patterns to accept the studs for twin 1.5 or 1.75 inch SU carbs (once you'd ground out the manifold with a die-grinder to the correct diameter)!
After discovering my inlet-manifold could fit larger carbs, I found a 1.5 inch SU carb at a wreckers that had the float-chamber on the opposite side to those standard on the Morris 1100 which used to be abundantly available here in Australia.
For those classic-Mini fans who are unaware, early Minis came with a 1.25" single SU carb which had the bowl on the radiator side of the car (RHS of photo at 0:17), while larger engines having a 1.5" single SU carb would usually have the bowl on the clutch side (LHS looking into engine-bay from front of car if FWD like the 1100), although there were more cars like MGBs with twin SU carbs.
Going up to 1.75" SUs the common variety were back to having the float-chamber back on the other side like the 1.25" SUs, although there were even larger capacity engines utilising multiple 1.75" & 2" SUs linked together, but those were in rare, expensive, luxury English vehicles.
When Leyland Australia stopped fitting dual 1.25" SU carbs to the Clubman 1275GT due to the cost, they then decided to fit a single larger SU carb in its place until Leyland stopped building the Mini Clubman, which wasn't that long before they closed their factories here in Aust.!
Interestingly, the engine (Downton?) shown at 2:55 uses what looks like a Weber carburettor!
@@MrWombatty You might want to recheck that, 998's standard fit was 1.25's, 1275 motors were 1.75. and one of MY manifolds mounted a 40 DCOE Weber in the early seventies. I've also seen cars modified to take AMAL motorbike carbs.
@@usernamesreprise4068 Your 1275 S was probably upgraded to larger SUs by a previous owner, but I know what the stock sizes were as I owned a 1310cc Mk1 Cooper S, but as the body was ratty, I found a clean 1973 Mini Clubman S (original 1100cc motor had crapped itself), then fully converted it to a rally-spec Cooper S complete with raised & modified hydrolastic-suspension which oversteered nicely!
@@MrWombatty Firstly let me say I was a time served mechanic from the late sixties to the mid eighties, and have both worked on as well as owned many minis mainly 1275 S's, in the Garage I worked for we did an awful lot of clubman rally car builds as we were all involved in the clubman rallying scene back then, the car I was referring to was a pic on this video where the content maker said was a 1275 S even though clearly it was a single carbed 850 it wasnt "my" car. from memory a 1310cc motor is actually 1304 cc which is the result of a 40 thou overbore, two of my own cars were also 40 thou overbores the second one was actually 1340cc using a works long throw crank and ran a ported inlet manifold with a 40 dcoe weber, over sized valves in a ported and flowed head and a BLMC works two and a half inch exhaust system out of a one and three quarter four into two into one exhaust manifold, from the back of the car (for the time) it looked for all the world like one of those nasty after market "big bore" exhaust boxes except this was a complete right through system with two tuned and skidded exhaust boxes that adhered to scruteneering decibel levels. all my cars were fitted with straight cut close ratio gearboxes and idler gears, the sound when giving it the beans is one you will never forget....especially with a DCOE drowning the exhaust noise, the second car sat on 8.5 x 10 minilights (the original magnesium versions which I bought from a freind in the Leyland competitions department who sold them to me as a favour) we never ran hydrolastic systems on the cars as it was just too damned soft and prone to failure at the worst possible moment for clubman rallying, my favourite trick back in the day was going round and round larger roundabouts flat out on the limiter in third with the offside front wheel belching massive clouds of acrid rubber smoke as it spun (weeeeelll I was A BOY back then lol damned expensive way to abuse Klebers though), we never actually dyno'd my own motor but relating it to others we had built and tested for customers that we HAD dyno'd I reckon mine was putting out somewhere between 150 and a 160 horse at the wheels at seven thousand five..a guesstimate yes but I think was pretty accurate....quite exciting in a car that weighed less than a thousand pounds wringing wet.
At 2:16 there are some wild names for the suspension parts. Cintor lank, Control aans, Conckage, Macchherson susprension, Double wishroine and my favourite... scorcoon socks.
Google-translate let TH-camr down badly!
The idea that Lotus were "A giant" in the early 1950s is pretty ridiculous.
However, it was good to see 4 of the more unusual 1950s kit car companies being highlighted
I have 2 Bucklers, my brother who wrote a book about them has another. Buckler also built very successful karts.
Lots of interesting info, but the video itself is a bitsa, strung together with every kind of random illustration - like a kit-car made from an assortment of parts bins.
Have ya ever built a kit, how about ten? It’s the nature of the work.
@@denisgauthier2413 No, but I was referring to the video not the cars.
An editing nightmare made with almost everything Google image-search randomly found!?!
@@MrWombatty Certainly looks that way !
A very interesting video, let down by the random use of cutaway chassis images, and random engines. Also several images of the cars that you are describing, are different model cars.
Pedant - if you are so clever make one yourself
Yes, that was annoying when referring to "an innovative rear suspension or chassis" and then showing something unrelated. Totally pointless if you want to learn from the video.
Using stock footage of Left Hand Drive vehicles when discussing cars from a country who drive Right Hand Drive vehicles. Using the US spelling of Liter rather than Litre
Best of all: at 5:50 the picture of post war Britain is hilarious! Which war are we talking about - the Boer War? Oh, and Berkshire is pronounced "barksher"
4:29: it wasn't 'certain taxes' it was Purchase Tax which was avoided
Great job .never heard of these cars .I was very surprised at these cars around
I'm glad I could introduce you to something new!☺️
There was a connection between the Deep Sanderson and the French Monica Saloon. I believe there is a brief shot of a Monica prototype on this video. Early Bucklers were really observed Trials cars, some are still used today. When I was a youth in the sixties, a neighbour had an Ashley, built from a kit.
Although Bucklers were very successful in trials from the outset, they were meant to be all round sports cars and even the first ones had a good racing pedigree.
Chris Lawrence was responsible for the Monica. A Frenchman with plenty of money, made from rail freight cars, was the finance behind the car. I worked for Chris Lawrence at Morgan on the Aero 8 from 1999 to 2006.
"The post-war streets" 😁 wow, that picture is actually dated 1886 and looks it.
Yeah, defo not post WW2, that is for sure......
Struth I havent heard of any of these thanks :)
Nice video
The influences of Ashley's bodies can bee seen in the Sabra sports cars..Especially in the area of the coupes middle section from firewall, A pillar, windshield and top.. Interestingly enough, the windshield of the Sabra came from the Meadows Frisky.
Ah, Frisky. Tiny cars with excellent design credentials. Another great video!
I suspect that any straight line instability in the Deep Sanderson was aerodynamic rather than caused by the suspension
correct suspension issues would be noticable straight and in curves. and there are still other factors depend what type of straight line instability is being seen as to the cause but most straight like instability is Aerodynamic
Onnthe 301. It was a long wheelbase go-kart with a lid. Not a Garrard TT.
that Frisky thing does look like a startled frog
That Friskey Sprint is very similar to the Renault Shark.
how about Ginetta, Turner, Tornado etc etc?
I've already mentioned Ginetta G21 in one of my previous videos. But more parts of this video topic will come. Can't include all of them in a single video you know☺️
This needs major editing
What about the Fairthorpe Electron Climax. I owned down back in 1965.
What is the car at 8:25 ? It does not look like the other Mistral bodies.
Really nice little oddball video. perhaps spoilt by the amount of irrelevant pictures and footage. I would have preferred leaving that out and lingering longer on the actual featured cars. Also a quick check on English pronounciation would have helped.
20:10: the "changes to uk taxes" was the replacement of Purchase Tax by Value Added Tax.......... you're welcome
Ok, whats up with showing a full frame with cage then showing a roadster? Totally unrelated...
Every which way but correct.. Sportiva = Spore-Teeva
5:16: what IS that ?? it has TWO power units ..................... innit ??
It’s a Twinne also an idea from Chris Lawrence. An A series engine at each end !
another Chris Lawrence, behind the wheel of the experimental Deep Sanderson 105 single seater twin-engined carthat was designed for hill climbs, outfitted with twin two 1137cc Downton Cooper engines ,delivering aprox 214bhp in a rolling set up that was in around 900 lbs in weight
If they had asked me about the Frisky Sprint I could have saved them a shitload of trouble! What a rubbish.
tvr and lotus were never giants, one of many faults in this.
To my eyes these don't look like cars so much as over sized go-karts. How would you drive these toy like vehicles in bad weather? How would they hold up on rough roads or streets? Would they be safe to drive, I mean some didn't even have roll bars. I know people who own mini coopers, they ride rough, are cramped and their heaters simply don't work. They look cute and get good gas mileage, and they should as they are basically powered by motorcycle size engines. But small cars are not what people want for day to day use.
minis are cramped...you've never even been in one
@@glennvage Actually I have! My neighbor's daughter owns one and he took me for a ride in it. I'm six foot 210 pounds, he is six foot one and two hundred pounds and we were cramped! The mini is small, it has small wheels and when you hit a pot hole the wheels drop in and hit the edge coming out of it. My SUV has fifteen inch wheels which can straddle a pothole without dropping into it. My neighbor has had to replace a wheel on his daughter's mini already! I live in Western New York and winters can be hard here, and frost causes potholes. It also gets cold and the mini doesn't have a very good heater, and the windshield takes forever to clear.
@@bullettube9863 6'2'',owned 4.most spacious small car ever made.you are the only person i have ever heard call a mini 'cramped'.they are not.
@@glennvage Not only cramped, they are junk.
@@bullettube9863 ...one can only marvel at the childlike arrogance of someone who describes a universally accepted design classic that sold/sells in millions,in such a way.i am not a car designer for a living.just a wild guess here...but your'e not either
Poorly done click bait. I won’t get suckered again. Bye.
What do you mean by click bait? Where did i click bait? Is it in the title or thumbnail?