Mine is a 6 core with d500 graphics which came from a video studio that made TV commercials and cost me €300 with the original 256 GB storage and 16 Gb RAM. I upgraded it to 64GB 1866 MHz RAM which cost me €34 including shipping and a 2 TB Lexar SSD from Amazon for €80 + an adapter from Ali Express for €3. From your chart I see that it is from 2014 week 17. It runs Sonoma 14.3 with OCLP and boots up to the login screen in 25 seconds, I use it as my daily driver, although I do not do serious work anymore and just play around with Mac's. So I don't need it but I love it. Some benchmarks: Disk speed Read 12909 MB/s, Write 14020 MB/s; Geekbench CPU Single Core 731, Multi Core 3672; Open CL score 20342. CPU Temperature stays between 60 and 70 degrees Centigrade during test. Love to see more of your video's on this greetings, Peter
I use my Mac Pro trashcan running Mac OS Sierra primarily as a host machine for the following (1) using VM Fusion hypervisor to run Windows 10, Windows XP, and the linux distros Mint, Zorin and linux lite. (2) using screen sharing while running various Mac OS’s on the following obsolete Macs 2012 mac mini, 2014 mac mini and 2018 mac mini. It’s just a matter of getting things done and this system works here.There is a lot of 32 bit software that still work well. Last month i actually had to use “Lotus Magellan” 16 bit software to recover and open a very important file. Thanks for these posts, your work is really appreciated.
Hi. Your interest for these trashcans make good uploads. I just bought myself one. It is a base one with a 1tb drive. Got it for cheap and it is mint. Using it on my main tv for everything. Really happy with it:-) It is a 2014 from that chart you provided. Split the ssd on the middle with macos and windows. Works great!
Always find your videos to be very helpful and informative. In fact, I used your video of rebuilding your Mac Pro 2013, to help me rebuild my trashcan Mac. 👍
One of the use cases for the Mac Pro 2013 over apple silicon is monitor support. Last I checked, you can run more monitors on the 2013. I will also note that I bought a 2019 used 12 core with the w6800x duo. For everyday task (word processing, web, excel, photos, etc), I didn’t really notice a difference. Even higher demand software didn’t show much of a difference until I need to use a GPU intensive task. Then the difference was pretty huge. My 2013 wash 8 core d500 32 GC ram, with 512 SSD.
I'm interested to see the follow up videos! If you get to benchmarking I would also be very interested in seeing the power usage of these, idle and under full load. This I think adds to the comparison to Apple Silicon and also to the general answer on how usage these machines still are. In particular if you would compare it to older PCs from the era.
I got one that's "YW" in the serial number. It came with D700s, 64GB of 1866 ram, and the 12 core CPU. Also had a 1 TB (non-Apple) SSD with the M.2 adapter and pre-loaded with Monteray. I had trouble with it forgetting the date/time when unplugged so I replaced the battery (which was deep inside the panel) and also I repasted everything. It was very clean inside so I assume whoever replaced the SSD probably cleaned it out. Was a bit over $400 on ebay but considering, I think it was a reasonable deal. I'm not a MacOS fan and I have a M1 Mini anyway, so I've been trying other OSs. Windows 11 runs but doesn't like it (audio driver issues, uses excessive power). Debian seems OK on it and I may stick with that. Good luck!
Thank you, for another educational and useful video. If my on-line unit conversion is correct $500 Pounds is equal to about $635 US dollars which, is about twice the price that, I paid for my space gray "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model, two-years ago at $1,200 US dollars. According to your chart, my Mac Pro was manufactured in 2016. Since these were made in the USA, I am glad to know that American workers were still building these units from 2013 through 2019 (smile...smile).
Although I do like certain things of the 3.1/4.1/5.1, I only use them as "easy to carry" yet "not so easy to carry" backup station with older OSX's and 4 phat HDs. I never woory about RAM. The trashcan is much better in energy use with its much more modern 22nm CPU's (instead of 32nm or even 45nm) and it idles at a fraction (1/3rd). For 24/7 use a MacMini 2012 is really good.
I have to say a huge thanks to you and this channel. Ive just bought myself a Mac Pro, 2018 Build..New CPU and RAM upgrade for just over £300. With a warranty from the seller. Ive been binge watching your content and it's been so so helpful in making my decisions. My next move is to get a new SSD and that has proven confusing...the system is currently running Monterey so it can take a NVMe with an adapter but I did see/read something that suggested only some NVMe's work well...I don't know if you've covered this in any detail but if you have I'll be sure to Dig it out and learn more. Again, thank you so much sir! Keep up the great work!
You should be fine with NVMe. I seem to recall that it prevents you from using restore from Internet, but that may have changed with firmware updates. Just remember that it's PCIe 2.0, so the drive will not run at it's full speed, but it'll still be considerably quicker than the original Apple models.
Thanks. Looks like mine was manufactured in 2018 in week 19. I installed the 12 core Xeon and larger 500 GB SSD. I kept the original SSD if I chose to sell it. It came with the D500 and correct 32 GB of RAM. I installed bootcamp on it and use it to control my model trains (OSX for N scale & Windows for HO scale). It's overkill but I like the look. I paid $220 + $20 shipping with 6 cores and for $30 I installed the 12 core Xeon CPU in September of last year (2023). I have had no issues. I look forward to your testing. I did not know that Apple fixed the D500 and D700 video cards in later years. All good news for me.
Looks, like mine is S4, mid 2016, it was a refurb when I got it, D700s so I suppose it's possible it was also part of the recall, despite being slightly after that date. I did have to take it in once for a rattling fan.
Thoroughly enjoyed your vid! I just updated my late 2013 Mac Pro, 12-core w duel D700, 1tb Samsung 980 pro and 64gb1866 ram to the latest 14.3.1 Sonoma using OpenCore Legacy Patcher. My serial was "MH" which translate to 5th week, 2014. However, I absolutely STILL love my Machine! and use it periodically as a media work horse! This is coming from someone who still has and uses daily a Fully specd 2017 imac pro with 4tbnvme and 16gb Vega 64, 2019,2018,2015 Macbook Pro's as well as a decently spec'd M1. At some point I use them all and keep them up to date but mainly use my 2017 imac and my trash can and sometimes M1. I get especially excited whenever I see people making videos on the trashcan mac, finding new ways to still bring life into them! Keep up the great work! Maybe make some videos comparing editing across several models? (maybe thats something i should do? lol)
Excellent video with lots of helpful hints, esp. the dating guide. Another layer, if I may suggest it: give some sample apps with their version numbers, such as Photoshop Z or Maya whatever or Pro Tools bla bla, to give an idea of what runs well on the item under review. Thanks!
I JUST bought one in the USA on 2/17/2024. 3GHz 8 core, 32GB, D700s, 512GB SSD for $220. I had some ECC 1600MHz laying around, upgraded to 64GB and the 2.7GHz 12 core CPU for $25. All in with shipping $260. Looking into 4k monitors be aware that this machine doesn't support anything Above 3840x2160 (there are a few "4k Mac monitors" that are slightly above that including a few of the LGs & 4k and 5k iMacs (repurposed as monitors).
Thanks for this - I just given (Yes, £0) a Mac Pro 6,1 which was still in the box. Its an 8-core from the 2nd half of 2017. I'll put the 12-core in and up the RAM to 64Gb for sure! Graphics don't matter as it'll run Logic Pro X and FL Studio
Just bought a Mac Pro with D700's, never even thought about the age VS when the recall happened. Do we know exactly what the issue was? Was it just thermal compound drying up and causing them to overheat? Looks like mine is from the end of 2014.
I'd be interested if you found out. I bought the d500 as I heard the faster one was prone to overheating. No problems so far and I'm so pleased I have such a cool classic Mac for bargain basement money.
It was faulty GPUs according to a leaked internal memo. All of the models can overheat, so it is important to have good thermal compound and a fan control app like TG Pro.
Thumbs Up given (video saved for future reference to upgrade my Pro - once I’m working again and have money). One question to explore rather than stay on Monterey, use OpenCore Legacy Patcher to upgrade to either Ventura OR Sonoma (personally I’ve stuck on Monterey but would value your thoughts and/or experience)
Just watched your videos on the trashcan mac, and decided to pick one up for myself. Early 2015, 16gb ram, 1TB SSD, D500, 6-core for a total of $240 USD. Can't wait for it to ship!
I’ve had a trash can Mac Pro for about 2 years now… got it just before the price drop, but since I edit, layout for print, and create covers for self-publishing authors, the purchase is one that I’m still happy with. I also use Logic Pro, so have a Thunderbolt 2 drive bay with 4 drives for sample libraries and client work storage. I have just now begun the process of upgrading to Mac OS 12 (Monterey), just installing it on another 1 TB drive today and now get to download all of the apps I use… a process that’s very time consuming, but necessary since I’ve been working in Mac OS 10.15… it’s about to age out so upgrades will no longer be available… ugh. Ran across your videos and look forward to your own feedback. Personally… since a Mac Studio is about $3000 for the version I’ll require, I’ll stay with this one for at least another year. Thank god for the Open Core Legacy Patcher. I have a cheese grater Mac Pro and an iMac to upgrade and sell. Again… ugh!
Fantastic video. I've held onto one of the older MacMinis in case I need access to software or file formats that are no longer supported today. I regret not keeping a PowerPC device. However, if necessary, I'll have to purchase one or find an emulator. Dealing with old formats can be a hassle when you need them. Every time Apple discontinues support for something (I don’t like the deprecated markers), it compels me to keep an old device just in case. What's your motivation for keeping the old machines?
I'm a geek who grew up with computing in the late 80s/early 90s. Back then we did a lot of tweaking, customising, programming and more to have fun. Modern computing has become commoditised and a little boring, so it's nice to play around with older hardware and see what you can do. Particularly machines like the Mac Pro, which still offers more than enough performance for most people - it's just that Apple are limiting support for commercial reasons, forcing users to upgrade, and sending perfectly good machines to landfill. So, getting these running eGPUs or latest software when Apple says "no", appeals to the geek and rebel in me 😁
@@ConstantGeekery Thank you for the elaborations on motivation. I see myself in them as well. I've noticed that idealistic concepts, such as "can do this now and is doing that now" are increasingly replacing technical specifications. Thank you for your reply. I was very pleased about it.
So, any machine manufactured after 2015 will have the graphics card fix already installed? Mine looks to be a 2015 model, from the 18th week (PN) - I have the D700s, and am concerned for their longevity! Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Apple were quite specific on the manufacturing dates for affected models, so if it's not within those dates, it wouldn't have been part of the recall. All of these machines can benefit from having thermal paste reapplied and use of fan control software (e.g. TG Pro) to keep thermals under control, as they are prone to overheating when under load.
Is it possible to power a 5k studio display at full resolution with one of these? I’m assuming it would work as long as there’s an eGPU workaround available.
Only with the Blackmagic (and possibly Sonnet) eGPU as far as I lnow. You need a Thunderbolt output on the GPU. You can drive it at 4k with the onboard GPUs and a TB3 to TB2 adapter.
I paid a pretty price for mine around January 2022. It's a *TP* so 20th week of 2017 - May 20th, 2017? I purchased it from an eBay seller, 12-core with 64GB 1866 RAM & 1TB SSD. Strangely, it came with an Apple Login name different to the sellers name! Who know, maybe he bought it & upgraded it - he did state that there was fresh thermal paste installed... For January 2022, I paid AUD$2500, or about UKP1300. Sounds expensive now, and maybe it was over priced for its time - but I'm happy with it. If it dies, I'll consider an M1 Macbook Pro.
I found this interesting. I have a March 2010 MacPro 6,1 with the 1066 MHz ram and D500 video card. It's been a good and reliable computer. I'm replacing it with an ordered Mac Mini M4 Pro. Apple doesn't support security updates for its OS (Monterey) and I can't run the latest versions of Lightroom and Photoshop on this machine. I could install Open Core to solve this problem but I'm not that tech-savy. I've had many Apple computers; my first was an Apple II+ almost 50 years ago. I wish I'd bought Apple stock back then!
You would need to aggregate the two ports. Fairly easy to do in macOS by creating a virtual interface in your network settings. But you also need to aggregate the ports on the switch you connect to, so you’ll need a smart switch that has that facility.
I discovered a huge fact last week, despite buying one in 2013 (delivered 2014), upgrading its CPU in 2018, until eventually replacing it in 2021 with a Mac Studio M1 Ultra. Did you know - the 12-core variant had a different CPU board? It’s the only one with a QuickPath Interconnect at 8 GT/s. So despite maxing out RAM and SSD and buying the D700 originally, it turns out I was stuck with a slower bus even after I did a hugely complex CPU transplant. 🤷♂️😜
@@ConstantGeekery that seems to be true, there are (at least) two different parts numbers for MP6,1 logic boards: standard: 820-3637-A 661-7527 original 12-core: 820-3637-05 661-7527
I have just watched your M1 iMac review of three months ago can I ask your advice I am a amateur photographer I don’t edit videos and I have a chance of buying a base M1 iMac for £700 would this be ok for me or should I buy the M3 any advice would be very appreciated
Nice overview with some interesting buying & selling pointers in there too. It’s correct though, and worth noting, that the 4 x 32GB RAM modules required to get to 128GB downgrade speed in the MP6,1 by over 40% to 1066 MHz! Ouch!!
I'm currently using a 2012 Mac Mini Server as my general system upgraded to dual SSDs and 16GB RAM and a 2012 Mac Pro with dual 3.46Ghz hex-core Xeons, 96GB, 1TB NVMe and an RX-580. The Mac Pro is far more capable for running my DAW software than the Mac Mini but the power draw and noise is an issue for me and I can't get OpenCore to install anything above Catalina without it freezing a previously bootable install of Ventura once I upgraded to OpenCore 1.3. I could replace the Mac Pro with a used 2013 Model, keep the GPU for use in an eGPU enclosure for a few £100 these days and not only save a lot in electric usage, but natively use Monterey without even bothering with OpenCore.
Hey there, thanks for the vid!!! I'm really into going to do the same purchase, but I don't know if you tried or are you going to, do you think would be a decent machine to run ComfyUI?
I don't think I would choose older generation CPUs and GPUs for any ML/AI applications. Generally AMD GPUs aren't the best choice either as most of these applications are optimised for nVidia CUDA. Probably the best choice is a PC with nVidia GPU. If you want to go Mac, then I believe it can work with Apple Silicon.
The M2 Mini will offer much more performance in every measurable way... though that wouldn't paint the true picture of real-world usage. I can do some M2 comparisons.
One of my favourite Mac designs. As much as people joked about the look when it came out, it's super iconic and I wouldn't mind if Apple decided to revive this at some point for the Mac Studio line.
I will be watching your updates, most importantly trying out an external TB4 dock. I've had problems with TB4 on my 2013 Mac Pro, and ended up giving up. My daily driver is the 2013 Mac Pro. With even 32GB memory it's just as fast for virtually any type of common applications, and I have never had issues, even with many applications and dozens of Chrome and Safari tabs open. I have a Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32GB memory that I use for app development, music and video production. The Mac Pro actually is ok for music (Logic Pro), but way too slow for video rendering. But when I'm not doing anything with crazy CPU/GPU requirements I still just us the Mac Pro.
You could argue that, but it was current at the time. The first Xeon CPUs didn't appear until end of Q1 2012, and the v2 CPUs used in the Mac Pro were brand new in Q3 2013. I think the real crime was not updating it with Thunderbolt 3/PCIe 3.0, which the V2 CPUs support, or moving to LGA2011-v3 a couple of years later to allow V3 CPUs. Obviously, it was hamstrung by the GPUs, but plenty of the E5 v3 SKUs would have worked within the thermal envelope, and adding more CPU performance, and faster Thunderbolt/PCIe would have kept it relevant for much longer.
I have a question, i want to buy this mac pro and install Mac os Maverick 10.9. what if i buy with 2015 and newer version can i still install maverick into that ? Because as my research you can not install mac os older that the one that ship with that. Thanks
I know that the 2013 Mac Pro fell short of the expectations of professionals that needed all the expansion ports but many were sold none the less and the prices are great. It is nice to see some people on TH-cam realizing that most of us regular Mac users don't need all that expansion (Thunderbolt and USB hubs are plentiful if you do) and that a Used 2013 Mac Pro offers an amazing opportunity to buy a really good and still fast Mac computer at a fantastic price. I went for the 4 core version (3.7 ghz, 16gb) with D300 graphic cards and for what I do ( home use, internet browsing, slicer software for my 3d printers and some graphic processing work on a hobby basis) I love it. I have had Mac computers since the 512K model and I have had some nice really models over the years but this 2013 Mac Pro is the smoothest running Mac that I have ever used. It will boot to an external drive and run anything from Mavericks to Monterey natively, and newer using open core. I love it and will being enjoying it for some time to come I am sure.
The 12s have a limited single-core speed, but that is the speed that most of the time matters. You could grab a 4 or 6 core and upgrade it with the 2.7MHz 10 core, which sell for like 10€, as that one has the same turbo-boost on a single core compared to the 8-core, and only 3% less max speed on multicore. A bit of a hidden gem selling for much cheaper than the "desired" 12 core.
Those UK prices sting. I recently picked up a 2013 (didn’t list gpu but turned out to be a d300) 12 core 2.7 GHz, 64 GB of RAM, (no SSD) for $200 USD shipped. I felt like I didn’t get the greatest deal either.
US is generally cheaper for "things", but that is not what we need in life. Most other stuff is cheaper here or better (schools, roads, "working" democracy...). I'm perfectly OK with a 8-core/64GB/256GB for 300€. Even if it is 50% more than in the US, you can't buy a better computer for that money. We do have a cheap niche though: small CRT RGB TVs for retro gaming and vintage game consoles/computers!
@@ConstantGeekery But it does not say, if on my second hand MacPros the GPU was fixed. One runs fine and a new one (just bougth last week) may have the problem, because he is rebooting all the time.
You also choose way better RAM the MTBF on SKHynix is way higher then the Samsung RAM. Lenovo had Samsung RAM from 2016-2018 but have stopped supplying them because of the high failure rate.
The point that you make at the very beginning about an almost 10 year old computer still having "plenty of performance to offer" only serves to highlight that the obsolescence of older computers is not driven by lack of performance these days, but rather the questionable actions of both Apple and Microsoft to artificially limit the installation of newer systems to new systems, despite the fact that these older models could easily run these newer systems without any issues.
It's just less devices to maintain, if you keep a device longer while releasing more devices, the list of devices to maintain will pile up, not to mention making sure the oldest devices run the OS normally
@@ghost-user559 ThinkPad's from that time are still perfectly usable. My laptop is a ThinkPad T440p released in late 2013 and has an i7-4800MQ 4c/8t, 16GB DDR3, GT 730M, 2TB SSD, 14" 1080p IPS. I think for the average person a 4th gen desktop i5 or i7 from 10 years ago is still more than enough for daily use. You don't need the latest and greatest anymore for web browsing, video playback, office programs etc.
All that Apple wants is to make money by selling new products, they don’t look after their customers as well as they could. A lot of the high end Mac Pro’s were thousands of pounds/dollars they could do better. Up dating the os system every 12 months is a pain in the neck, is this strictly necessary or is to force older Macs into the skip? The world cannot go on throwing high technology equipment into the skip when it is three or four years old.
The biggest challenge of buying this or ANY used Apple device is how often they were used. A 10yo model that lived in a sedate home used for web browsing and the occasional email browsing is a stellar buy. In contrast the newest model that been used to run a video or music studio will have had the more stressful life. In the end its a tossup with what your luck brings, sometimes you win sometimes not so lucky.
On the other hand: the chance electronics die the next day becomes lower with every day of use. A bit like with people. Only at very high age the odss go up.
Nice chap and I got my 6,1 in Watford while attending a football match…., then put 64gb ram in a week later….its the baby D300. £225.00 Best “trashcan “ I’ve ever had.Thank you CEX Watford. By the way we didn’t win the footy but I still went back to Wiltshire smiling because of my purchase.
Sorry if I burst your bubble, but in the first four rows there are dual years, with the difference of ten years. Does this mean that your 2019 model is not the last year production?
No bubble burst. 😁 I doubt there were many (if any) of these Mac Pros produced after 2019, because the 2019 Mac Pro launched towards the end of that year. But also, there definitely wouldn't have been any 2013 Mac Pros produced in 2010 or 2011 - the Xeon E5 v2 CPUs didn't even launch until September 2013! If by any chance there are any out there with C, D, F or G in the serial, I can only guess that it would have to be a refurb or custom order machine made in 2020 or 2021.
When a 2nd hand M1 mac mini with officially supported OS costs less than this, there really are few use cases to justify spending £500 on this. Yet I, too, (bizarrely) still want to buy one for fun
I was starting university (media production course) when this Mac Pro was announced and I remember everyone on my course debating spaffing all our student loan money on it. I’m glad I didn’t, as some did, but I’m definitely still keen to get one 😂
SSD = Solid State Drive (i.e. no spinning disk). Flash is a type of non-volatile storage (non-volatile means that it retains the data even when you switch off the power). Modern SSDs use a type of flash storage called NAND flash (named for the NOT-AND logic gate on which it is based). NVMe (Non-Volatile Memory Express) is a storage protocol used by most computers - and since it is a protocol developed specifically for SSDs, it offers many benefits over older protocols. The 2013 Mac Pro received a firmware update that allows it to accept NVMe drives. These normally have to be plugged in via an adapter as the standard Apple SSD for these models uses a different connector. Hope that helps.
@@ConstantGeekery ok so between the Flash SSD and the NVME ssd, based on what you’re saying, the NVME is the best choice out of all 3 right? I want to make the best decision I’ve seen a possible site to buy one from and it’s base size is 500 GB and comes with SSD Flash, so I’m thinking of going with that option then do my upgrade with nvme SSD drive in my preferred size
@@kosmicjedi Flash is a generic term. NVMe is still flash storage. An NVMe drive will be faster than the original Apple drive on a 2013 Mac Pro. You’ll need an adapter to make it fit and you’ll also need to think about cloning the existing drive, or how you will reinstall macOS to the new drive.
I finally got a trashcan Mac Pro in late 2022. I upgraded the RAM to 64 GB, installed a 2 TB NVMe 870 EVO Plus SSD, and replaced the 3.7 GHz quad-core CPU with a 3 GHz TEN-CORE CPU! Not only was the E5-2690 V2 I installed never offered by Apple, but it's better-value than their official configurations. You could buy a 3 GHz 2013 Mac Pro from Apple, but with 8 cores, whereas my 3 GHz CPU has 10 cores!
I did pickup a 10€ 10-core, but I doubt I will install it. I was expecting to find a 4 or 6-core, but the best deal I found was an 8-core. It is faster at single core stuff, and only 10% slower in multi-core, so I'll leave the 10 core for now.
Nice one! That age chart was very interesting and knowing the recall of gpus! What was the adapter for the hdd swap? I bought a hdd replacement back inthe days for almost 500€!! Now looking for second mac pro 2013 since studio use has a place for it 🫣🤩
@@ConstantGeekeryDid you know there’s a Dell 4K monitor that works at 60fps as a Retina display with the 2013 Mac Pro? They were used as showroom displays in the early days at Apple Stores, but I think the knowledge got lost by the time the LG 5K became common and they just ran it upscaled from 4K. I bought two in 2014 and had dual screen retina! They were so good I had to turn the brightness down and I used it like HDR in Final Cut Pro but no other software knew it and things like web pages were way too bright. The colours were still superior to the LG 5K when I retired it in 2022 after the second one had its power supply die. Really nice USB hub too - some kind of premium Dell product. UP2414Q
What about those of us that don’t have in-depth knowledge about specs, gpu, components and we decide to get a refurbished Mac Pro rather than go the eBay route? What advice do have on that decision please, because I’m definitely one of those ppl or I might be the only one here😂 The idea of taking the whole thing apart and applying thermal paste is a little daunting. I Opened my old iMac twice (mid 2011 model) it was nerve racking each time😊 What are the precise questions I should be asking the refurb people in regards to ensuring that they haven’t cut corners and ensure the machine is specked with more than adequate components, even at the base level😊 As always, thanks you in advance for answering, thank you for these in-depth videos/breakdowns cause they are very helpful & truly appreciated 😊
It would make sense to buy from a company that offers a warranty on their work. You can ask what their refurbishment process involves. Are they actually dismantling and re-applying thermal paste, or do they just give it a wipe down and send it out? Look for things like the correct RAM (DDR3 1866 ECC). The DIMM modules should all be matching brand and type. Maximum should be 64GB. I would wonder whether the company really knew the product if they were shipping out refurbs with 128GB - that's a configuration with niche applications that most users won't have. I'd also want an A grade case. It's not difficult to look after a desktop computer. If the case is all scratched up, it's an indication that the Mac Pro has been moved around a lot. Given the small footprint, some users did carry these around in bags and they inevitably got knocked about. Buy on credit card for additional buyer protection, and do your research on the supplying company.
One thing to mention though, this Mac chassis has awful GPU temps and the GPU can be dead whether it was from the faulty batch or not. So I wouldn't buy any of them older than 2017-2018 (less operating time). Though, anyways, those GPUs are useless and are outperformed by any 100$ GPU you can find on ebay from the last 6 years.
The main problem was Apple prioritising silence over fan speed. If you ramp up the fans more using apps like TG Pro, you can keep temps under control. It is one of the reasons I wanted a newer one though, and I’d always recommend re-application of thermal paste.
On 3D moddeling in wireframe/solid shading they will outperform those new GPU's. Don't worry. New GPU's hardly have any prioritising on that. So if you are into Blender, 3D CAD and such, you might be surprised by D500s.
I respect your fascination with this particular computer, however wanting another one in 2024 seems a bit disturbing. It still is a dead and inefficient platform with less and less capabilities given the scarcity of software that could be ran on it in the times of disappearing older versions and no physical media to get them from
Not sure I agree that it is dead or inefficient. Lots of professionals (particularly in audio) are still using these machines. I've not done much with it yet, but I have been surprised at how quick the system is. In general use, it doesn't feel any slower than my M1 Max daily driver. With the help of Open Core Legacy Patcher, you can install any OS, and Apple still provides older versions of Logic Pro and FCPx for download through the app store. Regardless, this isn't my main computer, I'm buying it for some fun and as a Logic Pro workstation.
Interesting project with a lot of good informations, like allways 😊. But….. 480 pounds for aused and old mashine when you can get a M2 mini for 200 bucks more? Yes, the trashbin Mac is way more a nice peace of industrial design!
ESTA MALO EL CUADRO DE COORDENADAS PARA LA FECHA... A MI ME ESTAN DANDO UN MACPRO 6.1EL PRIMER TRIMESTRE DEL 2012 AÑO QUE AUN NO EXISTIA COMERCIALMENTE EL EQUIPO
Footprint. Noise. Design. (in no particular order). The design was innovative because it shrunk a very powerful workstation into a small quiet package. Mistake #1 was in gambling on SLI (linking dual GPUs) becoming supported by more application software. Mistake #2 was in gambling that more pros would adopt thunderbolt expansion (really just external PCIe) over internal expansion.
The Xeon E5 v2 chips had only just been released when the 2013 Mac Pro was launched. The GPUs were custom made. The design and dual GPU was new. Apple has led the way in things like Thunderbolt, SSD and now Arm designs. Their designs don't always work, but when they do succeed, they are always copied. Frankly, Apple Silicon is the biggest revolution in computing since the introduction of multi-core CPUs. It has pushed AMD and Intel to up their game, and it's prompted an acceleration of development of Arm for Windows - great for everyone. True, the 2013 Mac Pro was sold long after it should have been, and was never updated (it should have at least got Thunderbolt 3 after that was introduced in 2015), but it certainly wasn't "5 years old and cheap" at time of launch. All the Macs currently on sale from Apple have M2 chips or later, which aren't even 2 years old yet.
So, those guys owned a Mac Pro, but don't know how to make a screenshot in macOS. But they do know how to make a screenshot of a photo in their Photos app, which of course is stored in their Photos app again. Apparently there is no limit on how dumb people can be, even Mac Pro users.
It is REALLY hard to get a file from your mac to your iPhone and into your eBay app. Seriously, I see people buying a new iPhone because their old one is full with photos. Apple give us USB mass storage support demmit! You'll probably include it in 2031 and say it is the best invention ever and a reason to buy that iPhone 23.
Mine is a 6 core with d500 graphics which came from a video studio that made TV commercials and cost me €300 with the original 256 GB storage and 16 Gb RAM. I upgraded it to 64GB 1866 MHz RAM which cost me €34 including shipping and a 2 TB Lexar SSD from Amazon for €80 + an adapter from Ali Express for €3. From your chart I see that it is from 2014 week 17. It runs Sonoma 14.3 with OCLP and boots up to the login screen in 25 seconds, I use it as my daily driver, although I do not do serious work anymore and just play around with Mac's. So I don't need it but I love it. Some benchmarks: Disk speed Read 12909 MB/s, Write 14020 MB/s; Geekbench CPU Single Core 731, Multi Core 3672; Open CL score 20342. CPU Temperature stays between 60 and 70 degrees Centigrade during test. Love to see more of your video's on this greetings, Peter
Update Diskspeeds are of course Read 1290,9 and write 1402,0 MB/s (forgot the komma 🤭) Peter
Waiting for mine to arrive!
at how many RPM is everybody running their Macs Fan Control ????
You could try a 10€ 10-core CPU, they are the absolute sweet spot price/performance.
I use my Mac Pro trashcan running Mac OS Sierra primarily as a host machine for the following (1) using VM Fusion hypervisor to run Windows 10, Windows XP, and the linux distros Mint, Zorin and linux lite. (2) using screen sharing while running various Mac OS’s on the following obsolete Macs 2012 mac mini, 2014 mac mini and 2018 mac mini. It’s just a matter of getting things done and this system works here.There is a lot of 32 bit software that still work well. Last month i actually had to use “Lotus Magellan” 16 bit software to recover and open a very important file.
Thanks for these posts, your work is really appreciated.
Hi. Your interest for these trashcans make good uploads. I just bought myself one. It is a base one with a 1tb drive. Got it for cheap and it is mint. Using it on my main tv for everything. Really happy with it:-) It is a 2014 from that chart you provided. Split the ssd on the middle with macos and windows. Works great!
I sold my Mac Pro 2013 last year and replaced it by a Mini M2 Pro. What I loved of the Mac Pro was the high quality audio line output.
That what I love about my Mac Pro 5,1 it have digital out/ in port. I use that to connect my Onkyo Home theatre receiver
Always find your videos to be very helpful and informative. In fact, I used your video of rebuilding your Mac Pro 2013, to help me rebuild my trashcan Mac. 👍
One of the use cases for the Mac Pro 2013 over apple silicon is monitor support. Last I checked, you can run more monitors on the 2013. I will also note that I bought a 2019 used 12 core with the w6800x duo. For everyday task (word processing, web, excel, photos, etc), I didn’t really notice a difference. Even higher demand software didn’t show much of a difference until I need to use a GPU intensive task. Then the difference was pretty huge. My 2013 wash 8 core d500 32 GC ram, with 512 SSD.
Can't wait bring it on, a well researched and informative video you've got me hooked .
I'm interested to see the follow up videos! If you get to benchmarking I would also be very interested in seeing the power usage of these, idle and under full load. This I think adds to the comparison to Apple Silicon and also to the general answer on how usage these machines still are. In particular if you would compare it to older PCs from the era.
Noted!
on the power consumption front, mine idles at about 80-100w (6 core, D700). Certainly not great by Apple Silicon standards.
I heard idle on this is better than on a MacStudio (figures from Apple itself).
I got one that's "YW" in the serial number. It came with D700s, 64GB of 1866 ram, and the 12 core CPU. Also had a 1 TB (non-Apple) SSD with the M.2 adapter and pre-loaded with Monteray. I had trouble with it forgetting the date/time when unplugged so I replaced the battery (which was deep inside the panel) and also I repasted everything. It was very clean inside so I assume whoever replaced the SSD probably cleaned it out. Was a bit over $400 on ebay but considering, I think it was a reasonable deal. I'm not a MacOS fan and I have a M1 Mini anyway, so I've been trying other OSs. Windows 11 runs but doesn't like it (audio driver issues, uses excessive power). Debian seems OK on it and I may stick with that.
Good luck!
nostalgia meh what ever the excuse is🤣🤣
Thank you, for another educational and useful video. If my on-line unit conversion is correct $500 Pounds is equal to about $635 US dollars which, is about twice the price that, I paid for my space gray "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD model, two-years ago at $1,200 US dollars. According to your chart, my Mac Pro was manufactured in 2016. Since these were made in the USA, I am glad to know that American workers were still building these units from 2013 through 2019 (smile...smile).
My 3,1 mac pro has Server ram in it and its bombproof. Back using server ram for mac upgrades
Although I do like certain things of the 3.1/4.1/5.1, I only use them as "easy to carry" yet "not so easy to carry" backup station with older OSX's and 4 phat HDs. I never woory about RAM. The trashcan is much better in energy use with its much more modern 22nm CPU's (instead of 32nm or even 45nm) and it idles at a fraction (1/3rd). For 24/7 use a MacMini 2012 is really good.
I have to say a huge thanks to you and this channel. Ive just bought myself a Mac Pro, 2018 Build..New CPU and RAM upgrade for just over £300. With a warranty from the seller. Ive been binge watching your content and it's been so so helpful in making my decisions. My next move is to get a new SSD and that has proven confusing...the system is currently running Monterey so it can take a NVMe with an adapter but I did see/read something that suggested only some NVMe's work well...I don't know if you've covered this in any detail but if you have I'll be sure to Dig it out and learn more. Again, thank you so much sir! Keep up the great work!
You should be fine with NVMe. I seem to recall that it prevents you from using restore from Internet, but that may have changed with firmware updates. Just remember that it's PCIe 2.0, so the drive will not run at it's full speed, but it'll still be considerably quicker than the original Apple models.
Nice, following this series. Maybe try some bootcamp tests too?
Thanks. Looks like mine was manufactured in 2018 in week 19. I installed the 12 core Xeon and larger 500 GB SSD. I kept the original SSD if I chose to sell it. It came with the D500 and correct 32 GB of RAM. I installed bootcamp on it and use it to control my model trains (OSX for N scale & Windows for HO scale). It's overkill but I like the look. I paid $220 + $20 shipping with 6 cores and for $30 I installed the 12 core Xeon CPU in September of last year (2023). I have had no issues. I look forward to your testing. I did not know that Apple fixed the D500 and D700 video cards in later years. All good news for me.
Lol, I control model trains with a 1981 8-bit computer and a UNIFACE module.
Looks, like mine is S4, mid 2016, it was a refurb when I got it, D700s so I suppose it's possible it was also part of the recall, despite being slightly after that date. I did have to take it in once for a rattling fan.
Think you should be OK on that specific recall. Apple claimed it was a bad batch of GPUs... 🤷♂️
Thoroughly enjoyed your vid! I just updated my late 2013 Mac Pro, 12-core w duel D700, 1tb Samsung 980 pro and 64gb1866 ram to the latest 14.3.1 Sonoma using OpenCore Legacy Patcher. My serial was "MH" which translate to 5th week, 2014. However, I absolutely STILL love my Machine! and use it periodically as a media work horse! This is coming from someone who still has and uses daily a Fully specd 2017 imac pro with 4tbnvme and 16gb Vega 64, 2019,2018,2015 Macbook Pro's as well as a decently spec'd M1. At some point I use them all and keep them up to date but mainly use my 2017 imac and my trash can and sometimes M1. I get especially excited whenever I see people making videos on the trashcan mac, finding new ways to still bring life into them! Keep up the great work! Maybe make some videos comparing editing across several models? (maybe thats something i should do? lol)
Excellent video with lots of helpful hints, esp. the dating guide. Another layer, if I may suggest it: give some sample apps with their version numbers, such as Photoshop Z or Maya whatever or Pro Tools bla bla, to give an idea of what runs well on the item under review. Thanks!
Thanks for the suggestion 👍🏻
I JUST bought one in the USA on 2/17/2024. 3GHz 8 core, 32GB, D700s, 512GB SSD for $220. I had some ECC 1600MHz laying around, upgraded to 64GB and the 2.7GHz 12 core CPU for $25. All in with shipping $260. Looking into 4k monitors be aware that this machine doesn't support anything Above 3840x2160 (there are a few "4k Mac monitors" that are slightly above that including a few of the LGs & 4k and 5k iMacs (repurposed as monitors).
Thanks for this - I just given (Yes, £0) a Mac Pro 6,1 which was still in the box. Its an 8-core from the 2nd half of 2017. I'll put the 12-core in and up the RAM to 64Gb for sure! Graphics don't matter as it'll run Logic Pro X and FL Studio
Just bought a Mac Pro with D700's, never even thought about the age VS when the recall happened. Do we know exactly what the issue was? Was it just thermal compound drying up and causing them to overheat? Looks like mine is from the end of 2014.
I'd be interested if you found out.
I bought the d500 as I heard the faster one was prone to overheating.
No problems so far and I'm so pleased I have such a cool classic Mac for bargain basement money.
It was faulty GPUs according to a leaked internal memo. All of the models can overheat, so it is important to have good thermal compound and a fan control app like TG Pro.
Thumbs Up given (video saved for future reference to upgrade my Pro - once I’m working again and have money). One question to explore rather than stay on Monterey, use OpenCore Legacy Patcher to upgrade to either Ventura OR Sonoma (personally I’ve stuck on Monterey but would value your thoughts and/or experience)
I will certainly give OCLP a try. Probably Ventura first, but I will share progress on that. 👍
Just watched your videos on the trashcan mac, and decided to pick one up for myself. Early 2015, 16gb ram, 1TB SSD, D500, 6-core for a total of $240 USD. Can't wait for it to ship!
Have you thought about using a Grisley thermal sheet Kyrosheet? Can be used for long term cpu pad.
I hadn't, but that's a good shout.
Mine is a CC serial. So I suppose early 2020? I bought it new in 2021 so this makes sense to me.
I think Apple switched to a different system at some point in 2019. Either way, it’ll be one of the last made.
Ordered mine with the 6 core xeon and the D700s in 2019
I’ve had a trash can Mac Pro for about 2 years now… got it just before the price drop, but since I edit, layout for print, and create covers for self-publishing authors, the purchase is one that I’m still happy with. I also use Logic Pro, so have a Thunderbolt 2 drive bay with 4 drives for sample libraries and client work storage. I have just now begun the process of upgrading to Mac OS 12 (Monterey), just installing it on another 1 TB drive today and now get to download all of the apps I use… a process that’s very time consuming, but necessary since I’ve been working in Mac OS 10.15… it’s about to age out so upgrades will no longer be available… ugh. Ran across your videos and look forward to your own feedback. Personally… since a Mac Studio is about $3000 for the version I’ll require, I’ll stay with this one for at least another year. Thank god for the Open Core Legacy Patcher. I have a cheese grater Mac Pro and an iMac to upgrade and sell. Again… ugh!
Fantastic video.
I've held onto one of the older MacMinis in case I need access to software or file formats that are no longer supported today. I regret not keeping a PowerPC device. However, if necessary, I'll have to purchase one or find an emulator.
Dealing with old formats can be a hassle when you need them. Every time Apple discontinues support for something (I don’t like the deprecated markers), it compels me to keep an old device just in case.
What's your motivation for keeping the old machines?
I'm a geek who grew up with computing in the late 80s/early 90s. Back then we did a lot of tweaking, customising, programming and more to have fun. Modern computing has become commoditised and a little boring, so it's nice to play around with older hardware and see what you can do. Particularly machines like the Mac Pro, which still offers more than enough performance for most people - it's just that Apple are limiting support for commercial reasons, forcing users to upgrade, and sending perfectly good machines to landfill. So, getting these running eGPUs or latest software when Apple says "no", appeals to the geek and rebel in me 😁
@@ConstantGeekery
Thank you for the elaborations on motivation. I see myself in them as well.
I've noticed that idealistic concepts, such as "can do this now and is doing that now" are increasingly replacing technical specifications.
Thank you for your reply. I was very pleased about it.
@@MeinDeutschkurs 😊
A 2009 MacMini with Snow Leopard will take care of any PPC stuff for 25€.
Purchased a 2019 “Y”6-core mint 🗑️ for $200. Ridiculous value for the money. Searched the way you do 😂
So, any machine manufactured after 2015 will have the graphics card fix already installed? Mine looks to be a 2015 model, from the 18th week (PN) - I have the D700s, and am concerned for their longevity! Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Apple were quite specific on the manufacturing dates for affected models, so if it's not within those dates, it wouldn't have been part of the recall. All of these machines can benefit from having thermal paste reapplied and use of fan control software (e.g. TG Pro) to keep thermals under control, as they are prone to overheating when under load.
I loved the graphite finish it came in. While most people would disagree I thought it was the most beautiful design ever on an Apple
Is it possible to power a 5k studio display at full resolution with one of these? I’m assuming it would work as long as there’s an eGPU workaround available.
Only with the Blackmagic (and possibly Sonnet) eGPU as far as I lnow. You need a Thunderbolt output on the GPU. You can drive it at 4k with the onboard GPUs and a TB3 to TB2 adapter.
@@ConstantGeekery yeah I've used that for a while but definitely suboptimal. I'll look into the rx 580 version and see if that will be sufficient.
I paid a pretty price for mine around January 2022. It's a *TP* so 20th week of 2017 - May 20th, 2017? I purchased it from an eBay seller, 12-core with 64GB 1866 RAM & 1TB SSD.
Strangely, it came with an Apple Login name different to the sellers name! Who know, maybe he bought it & upgraded it - he did state that there was fresh thermal paste installed...
For January 2022, I paid AUD$2500, or about UKP1300. Sounds expensive now, and maybe it was over priced for its time - but I'm happy with it. If it dies, I'll consider an M1 Macbook Pro.
I run mine headless with Proxmox it's phenomenal...
I found this interesting. I have a March 2010 MacPro 6,1 with the 1066 MHz ram and D500 video card. It's been a good and reliable computer. I'm replacing it with an ordered Mac Mini M4 Pro. Apple doesn't support security updates for its OS (Monterey) and I can't run the latest versions of Lightroom and Photoshop on this machine. I could install Open Core to solve this problem but I'm not that tech-savy. I've had many Apple computers; my first was an Apple II+ almost 50 years ago. I wish I'd bought Apple stock back then!
Mine is 16th week of 2015. The 64gb ram upgrade for 30USD is the best part IMO.
Great video Thanks. One question will I get better LAN performance on this computer if I connect both ethernet ports to the switch?
You would need to aggregate the two ports. Fairly easy to do in macOS by creating a virtual interface in your network settings. But you also need to aggregate the ports on the switch you connect to, so you’ll need a smart switch that has that facility.
Yes. You could for example use 1 for internet and 1 for LAN.
I discovered a huge fact last week, despite buying one in 2013 (delivered 2014), upgrading its CPU in 2018, until eventually replacing it in 2021 with a Mac Studio M1 Ultra. Did you know - the 12-core variant had a different CPU board? It’s the only one with a QuickPath Interconnect at 8 GT/s. So despite maxing out RAM and SSD and buying the D700 originally, it turns out I was stuck with a slower bus even after I did a hugely complex CPU transplant. 🤷♂️😜
I did not know that. I'd be interested to read up and make a video on that if you have any sources you could share?
@@ConstantGeekery that seems to be true, there are (at least) two different parts numbers for MP6,1 logic boards:
standard: 820-3637-A 661-7527
original 12-core: 820-3637-05 661-7527
I recently bought a refurbished d300 model for myself and i've been asking myself the next question: is the d300 reliable?
Thank you very much for the detailed information. Looking forward to follow up videos.
I have just watched your M1 iMac review of three months ago can I ask your advice I am a amateur photographer I don’t edit videos and I have a chance of buying a base M1 iMac for £700 would this be ok for me or should I buy the M3 any advice would be very appreciated
M1 iMac will suffice for your needs.
@@arricammarques1955 thank you 👍
RAM is more important than the chip. Get 16GB if you can - it makes a big difference once you start to push the machine.
Nice overview with some interesting buying & selling pointers in there too. It’s correct though, and worth noting, that the 4 x 32GB RAM modules required to get to 128GB downgrade speed in the MP6,1 by over 40% to 1066 MHz! Ouch!!
I'm currently using a 2012 Mac Mini Server as my general system upgraded to dual SSDs and 16GB RAM and a 2012 Mac Pro with dual 3.46Ghz hex-core Xeons, 96GB, 1TB NVMe and an RX-580. The Mac Pro is far more capable for running my DAW software than the Mac Mini but the power draw and noise is an issue for me and I can't get OpenCore to install anything above Catalina without it freezing a previously bootable install of Ventura once I upgraded to OpenCore 1.3. I could replace the Mac Pro with a used 2013 Model, keep the GPU for use in an eGPU enclosure for a few £100 these days and not only save a lot in electric usage, but natively use Monterey without even bothering with OpenCore.
What do you use the GPU for? Dual D500s won't limit your DAW use at all. Just replace the entire machine.
Hey there, thanks for the vid!!! I'm really into going to do the same purchase, but I don't know if you tried or are you going to, do you think would be a decent machine to run ComfyUI?
I don't think I would choose older generation CPUs and GPUs for any ML/AI applications. Generally AMD GPUs aren't the best choice either as most of these applications are optimised for nVidia CUDA. Probably the best choice is a PC with nVidia GPU. If you want to go Mac, then I believe it can work with Apple Silicon.
thanks for posting, will continue to follow
looking forward to the coming videos. and curious how this stacks up against an M2 mac mini for a similar price
The M2 Mini will offer much more performance in every measurable way... though that wouldn't paint the true picture of real-world usage. I can do some M2 comparisons.
so cool so when are you making the video your talking about?
I have a few more lined up over the coming weeks and months.
Really good video. Looking forward to follow ups.
Interesting. Look forward to seeing you try it.
One of my favourite Mac designs. As much as people joked about the look when it came out, it's super iconic and I wouldn't mind if Apple decided to revive this at some point for the Mac Studio line.
I will be watching your updates, most importantly trying out an external TB4 dock. I've had problems with TB4 on my 2013 Mac Pro, and ended up giving up.
My daily driver is the 2013 Mac Pro. With even 32GB memory it's just as fast for virtually any type of common applications, and I have never had issues, even with many applications and dozens of Chrome and Safari tabs open.
I have a Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32GB memory that I use for app development, music and video production. The Mac Pro actually is ok for music (Logic Pro), but way too slow for video rendering. But when I'm not doing anything with crazy CPU/GPU requirements I still just us the Mac Pro.
The LGA2011 socket was released by Intel in 2011. So those 2013 Mac Pro’s were based on ~2 yr old tech when they were new.
You could argue that, but it was current at the time. The first Xeon CPUs didn't appear until end of Q1 2012, and the v2 CPUs used in the Mac Pro were brand new in Q3 2013. I think the real crime was not updating it with Thunderbolt 3/PCIe 3.0, which the V2 CPUs support, or moving to LGA2011-v3 a couple of years later to allow V3 CPUs. Obviously, it was hamstrung by the GPUs, but plenty of the E5 v3 SKUs would have worked within the thermal envelope, and adding more CPU performance, and faster Thunderbolt/PCIe would have kept it relevant for much longer.
Thank you a lot! Pure gold knowledge here.
I have a question, i want to buy this mac pro and install Mac os Maverick 10.9. what if i buy with 2015 and newer version can i still install maverick into that ? Because as my research you can not install mac os older that the one that ship with that.
Thanks
It might be possible with OpenCore Legacy Patcher. I haven’t personally tried it.
hi, the mac pro im looking to buy has C as the forth letter but that says 2010/2020 so not sure?? thanks
I got a 6-core with the d500 off eBay last year, turns out it’s really young, built in week 8 of 2020 oddly.
I know that the 2013 Mac Pro fell short of the expectations of professionals that needed all the expansion ports but many were sold none the less and the prices are great. It is nice to see some people on TH-cam realizing that most of us regular Mac users don't need all that expansion (Thunderbolt and USB hubs are plentiful if you do) and that a Used 2013 Mac Pro offers an amazing opportunity to buy a really good and still fast Mac computer at a fantastic price. I went for the 4 core version (3.7 ghz, 16gb) with D300 graphic cards and for what I do ( home use, internet browsing, slicer software for my 3d printers and some graphic processing work on a hobby basis) I love it. I have had Mac computers since the 512K model and I have had some nice really models over the years but this 2013 Mac Pro is the smoothest running Mac that I have ever used. It will boot to an external drive and run anything from Mavericks to Monterey natively, and newer using open core. I love it and will being enjoying it for some time to come I am sure.
my 2013 is made in 2018 and contains a e5-2680v2 which perform the same as my M1 macbook air in cinebench r23...
Why did you choose the 8-core over the 12-core?
I believe it’s a better all-round choice. Did a video on it: A Surprising Winner!! 8-core VS 12-core CPU 😮
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The 12s have a limited single-core speed, but that is the speed that most of the time matters. You could grab a 4 or 6 core and upgrade it with the 2.7MHz 10 core, which sell for like 10€, as that one has the same turbo-boost on a single core compared to the 8-core, and only 3% less max speed on multicore. A bit of a hidden gem selling for much cheaper than the "desired" 12 core.
Those UK prices sting. I recently picked up a 2013 (didn’t list gpu but turned out to be a d300) 12 core 2.7 GHz, 64 GB of RAM, (no SSD) for $200 USD shipped. I felt like I didn’t get the greatest deal either.
US is generally cheaper for "things", but that is not what we need in life. Most other stuff is cheaper here or better (schools, roads, "working" democracy...). I'm perfectly OK with a 8-core/64GB/256GB for 300€. Even if it is 50% more than in the US, you can't buy a better computer for that money. We do have a cheap niche though: small CRT RGB TVs for retro gaming and vintage game consoles/computers!
Thank you. Good information.
But you are stuck with Monterey or can it take Ventura? Not Sonoma.
With Open Core Legacy Patcher, you can install either.
my MacPro 6.1 is from 03/2014. How do I know, if the D700 bug is fixed by Apple ?
If you search on Google, you'll find the dates of affected hardware. www.macrumors.com/2016/02/06/late-2013-mac-pro-video-issues-repair-program/
@@ConstantGeekery But it does not say, if on my second hand MacPros the GPU was fixed. One runs fine and a new one (just bougth last week) may have the problem, because he is rebooting all the time.
@@DieterMayer-o9m the dates of affected units are in the link. If yours was manufactured in 2014 it wasn’t part of the recall.
I bought it on release day so 11 years and still rocking 24x365
I did fully refurbished in my mac pro 6,1
You also choose way better RAM the MTBF on SKHynix is way higher then the Samsung RAM. Lenovo had Samsung RAM from 2016-2018 but have stopped supplying them because of the high failure rate.
The point that you make at the very beginning about an almost 10 year old computer still having "plenty of performance to offer" only serves to highlight that the obsolescence of older computers is not driven by lack of performance these days, but rather the questionable actions of both Apple and Microsoft to artificially limit the installation of newer systems to new systems, despite the fact that these older models could easily run these newer systems without any issues.
I also agree and thank you for highlighting that very important point
It's just less devices to maintain, if you keep a device longer while releasing more devices, the list of devices to maintain will pile up, not to mention making sure the oldest devices run the OS normally
To be fair this was a computer starting at 2000$ and went all the way up to 7-8 thousand. It’s hardly an old thinkpad
@@ghost-user559 ThinkPad's from that time are still perfectly usable. My laptop is a ThinkPad T440p released in late 2013 and has an i7-4800MQ 4c/8t, 16GB DDR3, GT 730M, 2TB SSD, 14" 1080p IPS.
I think for the average person a 4th gen desktop i5 or i7 from 10 years ago is still more than enough for daily use. You don't need the latest and greatest anymore for web browsing, video playback, office programs etc.
All that Apple wants is to make money by selling new products, they don’t look after their customers as well as they could. A lot of the high end Mac Pro’s were thousands of pounds/dollars they could do better. Up dating the os system every 12 months is a pain in the neck, is this strictly necessary or is to force older Macs into the skip? The world cannot go on throwing high technology equipment into the skip when it is three or four years old.
How to upgrade the GPU Drivers on Windows 10 Bootcamp???
I still use my modded out 9 year old 12 core trash can for music production/ film scoring.
The biggest challenge of buying this or ANY used Apple device is how often they were used. A 10yo model that lived in a sedate home used for web browsing and the occasional email browsing is a stellar buy. In contrast the newest model that been used to run a video or music studio will have had the more stressful life. In the end its a tossup with what your luck brings, sometimes you win sometimes not so lucky.
On the other hand: the chance electronics die the next day becomes lower with every day of use. A bit like with people. Only at very high age the odss go up.
13:50 try adding 6 monitors to a M1-mac
Nice chap and I got my 6,1 in Watford while attending a football match…., then put 64gb ram in a week later….its the baby D300. £225.00
Best “trashcan “ I’ve ever had.Thank you CEX Watford. By the way we didn’t win the footy but I still went back to Wiltshire smiling because of my purchase.
I wann to see an eGPU supported under Sonoma or Ventura on the Mac 6,1 ! If there is one that could do this its CG !
I'll see what I can do...
Sorry if I burst your bubble, but in the first four rows there are dual years, with the difference of ten years. Does this mean that your 2019 model is not the last year production?
No bubble burst. 😁 I doubt there were many (if any) of these Mac Pros produced after 2019, because the 2019 Mac Pro launched towards the end of that year. But also, there definitely wouldn't have been any 2013 Mac Pros produced in 2010 or 2011 - the Xeon E5 v2 CPUs didn't even launch until September 2013! If by any chance there are any out there with C, D, F or G in the serial, I can only guess that it would have to be a refurb or custom order machine made in 2020 or 2021.
When a 2nd hand M1 mac mini with officially supported OS costs less than this, there really are few use cases to justify spending £500 on this. Yet I, too, (bizarrely) still want to buy one for fun
at how many RPM is everybody running their Macs Fan Control ????
I had a 2013 Mac Pro 12-core but I sold it for $5k years ago before 2019 Mac pro came out
I was starting university (media production course) when this Mac Pro was announced and I remember everyone on my course debating spaffing all our student loan money on it. I’m glad I didn’t, as some did, but I’m definitely still keen to get one 😂
I'd love to see how it runs with Linux!
If you're buying a D700 version 2018 to 2019 if possible. If they have been running it hot since 2013 most likely D700's are at the end of life.
Thank You for your INFO
Can anyone please explain: What is the difference between: ssd, flash ssd, and nvme ssd 😮
SSD = Solid State Drive (i.e. no spinning disk). Flash is a type of non-volatile storage (non-volatile means that it retains the data even when you switch off the power). Modern SSDs use a type of flash storage called NAND flash (named for the NOT-AND logic gate on which it is based). NVMe (Non-Volatile Memory Express) is a storage protocol used by most computers - and since it is a protocol developed specifically for SSDs, it offers many benefits over older protocols. The 2013 Mac Pro received a firmware update that allows it to accept NVMe drives. These normally have to be plugged in via an adapter as the standard Apple SSD for these models uses a different connector.
Hope that helps.
@@ConstantGeekery ok so between the Flash SSD and the NVME ssd, based on what you’re saying, the NVME is the best choice out of all 3 right? I want to make the best decision
I’ve seen a possible site to buy one from and it’s base size is 500 GB and comes with SSD Flash, so I’m thinking of going with that option then do my upgrade with nvme SSD drive in my preferred size
@@kosmicjedi Flash is a generic term. NVMe is still flash storage. An NVMe drive will be faster than the original Apple drive on a 2013 Mac Pro. You’ll need an adapter to make it fit and you’ll also need to think about cloning the existing drive, or how you will reinstall macOS to the new drive.
I finally got a trashcan Mac Pro in late 2022. I upgraded the RAM to 64 GB, installed a 2 TB NVMe 870 EVO Plus SSD, and replaced the 3.7 GHz quad-core CPU with a 3 GHz TEN-CORE CPU!
Not only was the E5-2690 V2 I installed never offered by Apple, but it's better-value than their official configurations. You could buy a 3 GHz 2013 Mac Pro from Apple, but with 8 cores, whereas my 3 GHz CPU has 10 cores!
I did pickup a 10€ 10-core, but I doubt I will install it. I was expecting to find a 4 or 6-core, but the best deal I found was an 8-core. It is faster at single core stuff, and only 10% slower in multi-core, so I'll leave the 10 core for now.
Nice one! That age chart was very interesting and knowing the recall of gpus! What was the adapter for the hdd swap? I bought a hdd replacement back inthe days for almost 500€!! Now looking for second mac pro 2013 since studio use has a place for it 🫣🤩
I just bought a cheap adapter from Amazon. Once I’ve tested it I’ll post the link in my next video.
@@ConstantGeekeryDid you know there’s a Dell 4K monitor that works at 60fps as a Retina display with the 2013 Mac Pro? They were used as showroom displays in the early days at Apple Stores, but I think the knowledge got lost by the time the LG 5K became common and they just ran it upscaled from 4K. I bought two in 2014 and had dual screen retina! They were so good I had to turn the brightness down and I used it like HDR in Final Cut Pro but no other software knew it and things like web pages were way too bright. The colours were still superior to the LG 5K when I retired it in 2022 after the second one had its power supply die. Really nice USB hub too - some kind of premium Dell product. UP2414Q
kendim not: varil mac almadan önce nelere dikkat edilmeli
What about those of us that don’t have in-depth knowledge about specs, gpu, components and we decide to get a refurbished Mac Pro rather than go the eBay route?
What advice do have on that decision please, because I’m definitely one of those ppl or I might be the only one here😂
The idea of taking the whole thing apart and applying thermal paste is a little daunting. I Opened my old iMac twice (mid 2011 model) it was nerve racking each time😊
What are the precise questions I should be asking the refurb people in regards to ensuring that they haven’t cut corners and ensure the machine is specked with more than adequate components, even at the base level😊
As always, thanks you in advance for answering, thank you for these in-depth videos/breakdowns cause they are very helpful & truly appreciated 😊
It would make sense to buy from a company that offers a warranty on their work. You can ask what their refurbishment process involves. Are they actually dismantling and re-applying thermal paste, or do they just give it a wipe down and send it out?
Look for things like the correct RAM (DDR3 1866 ECC). The DIMM modules should all be matching brand and type. Maximum should be 64GB. I would wonder whether the company really knew the product if they were shipping out refurbs with 128GB - that's a configuration with niche applications that most users won't have.
I'd also want an A grade case. It's not difficult to look after a desktop computer. If the case is all scratched up, it's an indication that the Mac Pro has been moved around a lot. Given the small footprint, some users did carry these around in bags and they inevitably got knocked about.
Buy on credit card for additional buyer protection, and do your research on the supplying company.
@@ConstantGeekery What trustworthy companies do you know that you can suggest, that you know also offer warranty?
I love the old “can” Pros….. but with $649 M1 NEW laptops, you gotta love projects to buy.
Try running Windows or one of the greater OSXs from a time before Candycrushittification of iOSX on that floptop.
Thank you for the video.
This would make a great Minecraft machine for my son! 😂 my favorite of the doomed Macs!
There are brand new unsold trash can Mac Pro in the after market at much cheaper price. eBay is the last place I would look for.
Please share links if you have any - I'd be happy to pin them to help other viewers.
One thing to mention though, this Mac chassis has awful GPU temps and the GPU can be dead whether it was from the faulty batch or not. So I wouldn't buy any of them older than 2017-2018 (less operating time). Though, anyways, those GPUs are useless and are outperformed by any 100$ GPU you can find on ebay from the last 6 years.
The main problem was Apple prioritising silence over fan speed. If you ramp up the fans more using apps like TG Pro, you can keep temps under control. It is one of the reasons I wanted a newer one though, and I’d always recommend re-application of thermal paste.
On 3D moddeling in wireframe/solid shading they will outperform those new GPU's. Don't worry. New GPU's hardly have any prioritising on that. So if you are into Blender, 3D CAD and such, you might be surprised by D500s.
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i just looked at the prices in germany, for some unknown reason they are allmost double..
Come shop in the Netherlands. Not too bad here.
Would you like me to send you 128GB (4x32GB) kit for you to review??
I respect your fascination with this particular computer, however wanting another one in 2024 seems a bit disturbing. It still is a dead and inefficient platform with less and less capabilities given the scarcity of software that could be ran on it in the times of disappearing older versions and no physical media to get them from
Not sure I agree that it is dead or inefficient. Lots of professionals (particularly in audio) are still using these machines. I've not done much with it yet, but I have been surprised at how quick the system is. In general use, it doesn't feel any slower than my M1 Max daily driver. With the help of Open Core Legacy Patcher, you can install any OS, and Apple still provides older versions of Logic Pro and FCPx for download through the app store. Regardless, this isn't my main computer, I'm buying it for some fun and as a Logic Pro workstation.
Interesting project with a lot of good informations, like allways 😊.
But….. 480 pounds for aused and old mashine when you can get a M2 mini for 200 bucks more? Yes, the trashbin Mac is way more a nice peace of industrial design!
Nostalgia has its price. There's a lot of satisfaction in playing with these older systems. I'll stick with modern tech for my daily drivers though!
ESTA MALO EL CUADRO DE COORDENADAS PARA LA FECHA... A MI ME ESTAN DANDO UN MACPRO 6.1EL PRIMER TRIMESTRE DEL 2012 AÑO QUE AUN NO EXISTIA COMERCIALMENTE EL EQUIPO
I dont know why anyone bothers with these when the 2012 5,1 is so much better and upgradable with standard parts.
Footprint. Noise. Design. (in no particular order). The design was innovative because it shrunk a very powerful workstation into a small quiet package. Mistake #1 was in gambling on SLI (linking dual GPUs) becoming supported by more application software. Mistake #2 was in gambling that more pros would adopt thunderbolt expansion (really just external PCIe) over internal expansion.
@@Thinkfa5t good point
150W idle-> 40W idle. 45nm processors ->22nm processors (Ivy Bridge was the biggest jump in processor tech ever at Intel).
There really old, Apple dont use anything until its 5 years old and cheap and say the revolutionary 😂😅😂
The Xeon E5 v2 chips had only just been released when the 2013 Mac Pro was launched. The GPUs were custom made. The design and dual GPU was new. Apple has led the way in things like Thunderbolt, SSD and now Arm designs. Their designs don't always work, but when they do succeed, they are always copied. Frankly, Apple Silicon is the biggest revolution in computing since the introduction of multi-core CPUs. It has pushed AMD and Intel to up their game, and it's prompted an acceleration of development of Arm for Windows - great for everyone.
True, the 2013 Mac Pro was sold long after it should have been, and was never updated (it should have at least got Thunderbolt 3 after that was introduced in 2015), but it certainly wasn't "5 years old and cheap" at time of launch. All the Macs currently on sale from Apple have M2 chips or later, which aren't even 2 years old yet.
So, those guys owned a Mac Pro, but don't know how to make a screenshot in macOS. But they do know how to make a screenshot of a photo in their Photos app, which of course is stored in their Photos app again. Apparently there is no limit on how dumb people can be, even Mac Pro users.
It is REALLY hard to get a file from your mac to your iPhone and into your eBay app. Seriously, I see people buying a new iPhone because their old one is full with photos. Apple give us USB mass storage support demmit! You'll probably include it in 2031 and say it is the best invention ever and a reason to buy that iPhone 23.
@@lovemadeinjapan seriously? how about opening the ebay website in Safari on the Mac instead of using the ebay app on the iPhone??
Good value😂