Sounds like a way for them to quickly increase rent prices. I know in some places they can only increase it by a certain percentage each year on a tenant. New tenant new rent.
from what I have read this is a major structural issue with the building. a similar thing happened at the olympic tower in Sydney. This is closer to a Force Majore situation than a manipulation by the owners.
@@Isador911 if that was the case, 1) why wouldnt they tell everyone 2) why would the building become unsafe day 31? to me it sounds like BS. They likely have to do a ton of repairs and figure if they kick everyone out, they can do repairs quicker and do across the board rent hikes,
If you read the articles they had a plan to do repairs floor by floor. But they ran into extreme issues that now require them to do the whole building at once
If it was a major structural issue then the building would be condemned until repairs are finished. I actually agree with OP. I think the apartment complex is planning a superficial face lift of the property in order to increase rent prices.
"Luxury" is what got my attention. We live in an apartment that is labeled "luxury" but the complex was built in the 70's and has had few updates since then. It's far better than the first place we lived in when we moved to this town (roaches, rats, and porch pirates), but it doesn't compare to the newer complexes in the city. The price was unbelievable when we moved in. I couldn't imagine that it would rent for that cheap. 3 years later, the rent has gone up by quite a lot, and there is no place else we could move. Because of the way the new lease was written, I believe they are trying to get rid of long-term renters and make this entire complex student housing.
I know of a luxury apartment complex that 40 years later became a housing assistance magnet, a friend of mine had a similar illness as my disability, but there and his former residences were dumps by then. I was looking for a place to move to, and immediately crossed a few off my lists, all you have to do is drive through at 5 PM and see the activity outdoors and you got a good idea about inside. Parents yelling for their kids 100 feet away etc, car maintenance on the street or parking area, bags of trash (if it was ever bagged) all about.
Hello Steve, I learned something new today from you. Ohio Revised Code section 1923.10 gives a residential tenant a right to demand a jury trial in an eviction case.
I work there 5 days a week and have done so for 3 years. There have been leaks in both towers since the first day I worked there. The leaks come from the fire suppression system.
Only in America, almost every other business is lauded for being successful and making money...except being a landlord. And remember folks. NATIONALLY, it was only the landlords who were targeted with the National eviction moratorium, forced to house people for FREE.
@@rustyrivers7118 There is a difference between a profitable business and corporate greed. This is corporate greed. A luxury apartment development is for sure corporate. Some mid level stooge took shortcuts during construction, and probably got bonuses for it, and just like every corporation they want the customer to pay for it. A landlord would've had to have everything up to spec before anyone ever moved in. Because as you point out, there is a war on everything non-corporate, not just landlords.
with them being so secretive, it sounds like they dont want the extra expenses incurred by the repair contractors to add safety measures such as a scaffolding tunnel for residents to through or bypass actual work being performed; having the building empty may be cheaper for them to just get the work done; or that it could be done faster. Either way, it feels shady and I hope the people living in a luxury apartment complex are willing to challenge it.
Don't rule out that it might be that permits given are expiring and they need to get things done before the permits expires or they'll have to wait a year or two for new permits. There are a load of things that can happen - but it would be really fun if this went to a jury trial.
@@arbiter1 My first thought ran to the Surfside condominium collapse in June 2021. Maybe an engineer found something and they want everyone out without having to disclose anything they can be sued for.
I work for the company (at a different property) that manages this complex. After doing some digging and asking around I'll leave out the details but essentially the contract states that if the home is uninhabitable for any reason on either party side they have the option to nullify the contract but if they choose to take it to court they reserve the right to use a specific arbitrator and they are not allowed any punitive damages only actual.
We live on our boat in a marina in San Francisco Bay. We just got a notice that we have 15 days to agree to vacate within 90 days. Those signing the agreement get a small relocation allowance. Those not out by October 15th will be removed from their boats, and the boats towed off to be destroyed. The hard part is that due to various regulatory agencies, our liveaboard status cannot be transferred to any other marinas on the West Coast. This makes those of us who cannot afford to buy or rent housing in the area homeless. One neighbor has a crippling medical condition, and is living on $1200 / month. Another has recently had hip replacement surgery and is not capable financially or physically of dealing with a move. The list goes on and on. People are going to end up anchored out (lethally dangerous in storms), living out of their cars, or on the streets. The reason for all this is that the new owners have plans to demolish the marina, and put in a high end luxury marina.
I got a 30 day notice to vacate once. I had noticed the trash service had stopped several months before the notice arrived so I stopped paying rent when they (owner) stopped picking up the trash. All the other people in the 6 unit complex accepted money ($500) to leave when the notice arrived along with an employee of the property owner to tell us to get out . I declined the offer. It turned out the property owner had filed bankruptcy and stopped paying for trash pick up and the mortgage on the buildings we lived in. In the end I saved four months rent which would have been included in a bankruptcy and was paid $1500 by the owners lien holder (Wells Fargo Bank) to leave no required time frame. Ya never know why..... until you find out why. PEACE!
@@rustyrivers7118 wrong. Never missed a mortgage payment nor a rent payment in my life. I sold my house in 2016. I only rented for several years over my lifetime. I am over sixty years and just happen to know the property owner can not collect legally during their bankruptcy. Not everyone knows that and that is why I told the story. What are you pissed about? I now live in my daughters home. She pays the bills. Works her butt off and owns her own home at 31, worked everyday during the shutdown as usual, paid all rent and utilities on time and will never have to deal with a property owner. PEACE!
@@rustyrivers7118 You are aware that a lease is a two-way street, right? Renters are required to pay rent to live there. The owners are required to keep the place livable. If the landlord breaks their end of the contract, the renter is not required to keep up theirs. Withholding rent in protest of poor conditions is perfectly legal and even encouraged because it gives the landlord incentive to fix the problem.
@@CiaranMaxwell if a problem is so bad where a renter needs to withhold rent, then they just need to get out. Cause if their staying, then something has to be good.
@@rustyrivers7118 They might not have the funds to get out. They might not be able to find another place to stay. Lots of reasons for people to stay in shitty conditions. What you said does _not_ negate my argument.
I keep thinking about that apartment complex in Florida that collapsed. In that case, there was structural stability issues. If the landlord in that situation had seen the damage and knew it was unsafe and send notices to tenants to leave and some balked, and then the building collapsed, would the landlord still be held liable?
A couple of points come to mind: 1. This kinda smells like a renoviction to me. I can't help but wonder if the "sudden event out of their control" was the building owner realizing that with property values being what they are, they could be charging a lot more for their units. 2. If it's NOT a renoviction, then I wonder why they can't move people around a bit. I have to assume that through normal turnover and other usual circumstances that: a) *Some* tenants were going to leave anyway. b) *Some* tenants will be happy to be let out of their lease and move. c) *Some* tenants won't bother fighting this and… d) *Some* tenants will want to stay. If these assumptions are true, why can they not sort out all of the tenants who ARE going to leave and then see if they have enough suitable units to house those who want to stay until the work on their units/floors, etc. is complete and they can move back into them?
They'll do a handful of renovations. New flooring, new paint stripes in the parking lot, and a new sign out front.... and then triple the rent. Even in the event of fire code, or electrical code violations, they do not vacate the entire complex to complete the work. I agree. It sounds like a renoviction.
I love the idea of requesting a jury trial. In my State, I'm not legally obligated to leave my unit until the court orders me to leave. I would most certainly file a complaint with the court, and request a jury trial to buy as much time as possible.
Yea but just the act of having a eviction filled against you can stop you from being able to get a apartment not a judgment just the filled status with some because your seen a someone who could cause problems let say wait them out and lose you have to play Cort cost and lawer fees and all the landlord has to do is not renew your lease and you done anyway I say take your 30 60 days in some place find somewhere else to move why keep giving money to people who want you gone. Your risking not being able to find someplace to live in the future. As some who has friends who work in leasing offices. I hear about this stuff all the time.
In Georgia unless it's a court ordered eviction due to safety reasons a landlord has to give anyone 60 days. And normally they have to honor a lease if one exists.
@KR your 100% right I tell people all the time dont mess up your life for something that's not that serious. Why pay 3 to 6 time the security deposit, or get rejected every time you put in a application which you have to pay for at most apartments. A lot of people think there somehow Winning something over by staying. It quite sad to hear the stories of these people when there homeless.
@@JimDean002 if they are behind on rent 30 day is all that's required. Most people are getting evictions for not paying or disturbing the other tenants.
An apartment complex that I lived in for 3 years pulled a similar thing when the complex was sold to a new owner. The complex was rather old, being built in the late 1940's just after WW 2. The apartments were VERY low priced but that's because they had not been remodeled since being built, however they were kept in tip top condition by the old owners. The new owners wanted to make them upscale units with granite kitchens, hardwood floors, top of the line appliances, master suites with Jacuzzis, etc. All studio and 1 bedroom apartments were going to be converted by joining 2 adjacent units together to make a large 2 bedroom. All tenants were given 60 days notice to vacate. While the existing rent ranged from $550/month for a studio to $820 for a 3 bedroom, all converted units would be 2 or 3 bedroom for $1100 to $1700 a month, DOUBLE what the old prices were.
Common practice when properties change hands. If the lease has a 60day notice clause, then the new landlords can use it. Given the work they wanted to do, they could also have waited the 6-12 months for leases to naturally expire, but I'm sure they wanted to get the property converted and higher rents as soon as possible.
@@jfbeam Yes, that is exactly what happened. They worked VERY quickly and had over 1/2 of the buildings ( the entire Eastern side of the complex )completed in a little over 3 months. They started with these as this is the side with all of the studio and 1 BR apartments that they wanted to get rid of. The Studios were joined to make a large 2 BR with a HUGE master suite and the former 1 BR's were joined to make a 3 BR with a separate family room. These are the ones they charged $1500 to $1700 a month. Of course they got them done in record time to get that money rolling in !!! The other half of the complex they took about 8 months extra to get done. Those were the existing 2 and 3 BR units that they couldn't expand and therefore were lower cost.
That happened to me. Old ass apartments the had lead paint for $500 but they slapped some fancy siding on them after I moved and raised the rent to $1200.
Same garbage happened to me in Murfreesboro TN. 600$ for a 1 bedroom to 1050$ and what did the new owners do? Not a god damn thing except a new coat of pain but the sign went from XXX Apartments to XXX Luxury Apartments and the flying said they had swimming pools (plural, they didn't), a dog walking park (nope), breakfast nook (nope), park (nope), exercise room, laundry, wifi rooms (nope nope nope). It was all BS. They said they would. I got to low down, all of that was never coming unless people filed charges. It was a scam.
Yes. Because when you own the property you have certain rights, one of them is to raise the rent however it sounds like you were in a state where they allow the new landlord not to be forced to carry over the lease. What I would do in a situation like this is just allow the leases to expire, no reason to be a jerk about it. But some landlords don't care
Okay, put me in a 4* hotel, breakfeast included, $30 a day for lunch and diner. Furniture and all my belonings stored safely on your costs. I will keep paying my monthly rent. So I have the right to return for price as agreed in the lease.
The building is settling crooked. Windows are popping out and water lines are cracking. There are 508 units plus a Hotel on the 8th floor. There ARE violations from the Fire department. It’s a 20 story building. Would you live in a building that the fire sprinkler is shut off even for one day? Safety demands everyone must go
My state requires landlords to show cause as to why someone needs to be evicted. Just can't evict someone in my state anymore. Too many landlords take advantage, kick people out then jack up the rents.
Good, the housing crisis in this country is a massive issue, landlords unfortunately need common decency legislated into law, sad times when we have to do that to keep good, hardworking people off the streets.
And for what reason should a property owner have to give to evict a tenant? There are already time limits that they must follow so why should the landlord have to “get permission” to remove someone from their property. You wonder why there is a housing crisis when states like yours make it so undesirable to be a landlord.
@@bnollbnoll2205 600,000 homeless people in the US and 16 million (One in ten!) unoccupied homes. Landlords do not assist in reliving the housing crisis, Landlords are an aggravating factor.
I've known a few in the past that only got five days to get out. Others got a note saying that they have fifteen days to go, which only a few took to court and never showed! And most of these is because they smoked on property instead of the middle of the street, which is completely surrounded by hospital/hospice/daycare/church, means busy roads and can't stand on sidewalk.
This happened to me. Everyone served a 45 day notice to vacate. Complex was sold and leveled. The new construction was updated to luxury apartments and old tenants were given a 15% rent reduction on the new apts for 3 months. In reality you could have taken the 2 or 3 months until the deconstruction actually started.
a good friend of mine ran in to this, where some lower priced apartments did this. The entire building was demolished and a church was built on the property
Happens every day in Florida. One mogul sells a complex to another mogul. Mine, 200 units, was sold for $10 when it lost its LHITC credit. The whole thing for $10. First, remodel. Every unit gets a remodel, & the rent went from $800 to $1200. Now just 2 years later the unit is $1800 & they are all occupied. Moguls take care of moguls & know how to play the game to double the rent.
Here in British Columbia, Canada, if a tenant is illegally evicted, they can be awarded up to a year in rent as a judgement against the landlord. If there's a situation that requires a tenant to temporarily relocate for a major repair/renovation, any additional costs to the tenant above their regular rent is to be paid by the landlord, and the tenant can move back in upon completion of the repairs/renovations.
Lol im yet to see this happen because it just takes a few notices to make whatever eviction legal. You can litterally do that with eviction for remodeling and throwing a family memeber to live there afterwards. Worse case the tenant doesnt pay rent and you do the whole eviction dance in court.
Many of the renters in Canada are on month-to-month basis after first one/two year leases, so they can be just given notice and that's it. One the other hand, tenants can leave at any time as well (with 30 days notice)
This exact thing is happening now in Louisville, KY with an apartment complex called "The Bellamy." It serves primarily U of L students. The building is only 11 years old! Scumbag landlords say the same thing about "needed renovations." The lawsuits are on their way!!
I. Nyc Landlords used to use this to kick out tenants from buildings and then re-rent it to more expensive renters i.e. Gentrifiers. However they close loop or a little bit because if you kick somebody out because of a warranty claws they have the right to the apartment when it’s done. But some landlords never fix it
Seems to me that if an apartment place terminates the lease early, then they should have to pay you the termination fee, which in most cases is a month or two of rent.
They're not going to ever put that in the contract though. It's not like you can pick and choose another apartment that has a better contract, they're all equally as lopsided on terms.
Given how easy to write into contract that is very one sided. As a member of an ownership group of apartments. I know all the contracts have a habitability escape clause, where if a repair event will take more than an a set amount of time. We can declare a building uninhabitable and start the contract breaking process. Only times I know of our group doing it to a building was once for black mold and once for a water main break in a different building took out 2 buildings because or the pipe layout.
Sounds like what happened suddenly is that local rents went up and they believe it'll be cheaper to ask people to leave and then do what work is necessary and tack on the extra to new tenants. But no one would be that unethical would they?
It takes a long time to get a court ordered eviction, most especially against someone that's paid up. Any paid up tenant could stay for months. If there's no threat to the tenant's health the judge will not be inclined to evict. Two great books on this topic, The Renter's Handbook and The Landlord's Handbook. Read them both regardless of which you are and it will all be very clear.
Many years ago, there was an apartment complex it the greater Salt Lake area that decided to covert to condominiums. They basically did the same thing. They evicted all the tenants. Then started selling the units as condos.
My last apartment complex did this. They evicted everybody over a couple of months, claiming they were doing major renovations and remodeling. A few months after everybody left they were looking for tenants again for $400/mo more than they charged previously. I toured one of the apartments and there were no noticeable changes related to remodeling or renovation. It was still a dump. Capitalism isn't kind to renters.
about 10 years back a friend and I were renting a place in a small town in the south for work, and the landlord kicked us out before out lease was up. They found someone who was willing to pay more rent for the place. We did not even think twice about fighting it as the landlord not only owned about 2/3rds of the town, but was both a lawyer and the mayor. As someone just out of college living paycheck to paycheck.. it was not something we would of stood a chance against.
That's life. Sometimes the best way to win a fight in your favor. Is just avoid it, and save the time and stress. Been there, done that, more than once. Your time and we'll being is hard to put a price on. But,.. it is limited. And that makes it worth a lot ✌️
@@Iansco1 Or, depending on the amount of money involved, file in small-claims court. I understand they typically don't have as many options for high-priced lawyers to screw around when their client is obviously on the wrong side of the law.
We had something similar happen here locally. There were a few differences though. It involved a hotel that was not equipped to be an extended stay hotel. Yet, you had families and kids, living in this hotel, some had been there for years. All kinds of code violations, pest and rodent issues, drugs, prostitution, theft, you name it, it ALL went on there. The folks at the County knew about these issues for well over a year. The health department comes in, does an inspection. Gives the hotel a passing score and immediately shuts the hotel down after the inspection. You had more than 200 people who were given 24 HOURS to vacate the premises. In the case with the luxury apartments, it will all boil down to what is actually in the lease agreement. And I would say that most tenants never read those things. I think many of these people will be surprised. Only time will tell.
Yea that's not legal in any state unless prior eviction notices have already been served. If they have, they must show proof of those notices and that they were delivered. Once it comes to a 24 hr notice to vacate, that is usually to the point where the courts are already involved and so are the police. They can't just arbitrarily evict anyone with just a 24 hr notice. If they did this, they are liable for a huge lawsuit that they are likely to lose and possibly face criminal charges.
@@blakel4595 yea see that clarifies why the notice was issued and it makes sense. Had he said the building had been condemned, I never would have said what I said. I live in Florida and it is a big deal here still. Many condos all over the state are under heavy scrutiny.
In addition to trying to avoid the costs of re-housing their tenants, these guys are probably going to do the repairs and then cash out and sell the complex as condos. My wife and I had a similar situation in an apartment we had rented. The apartment complex was beginning to incur high costs do to extensive repair and remodel costs for every building in the complex, due to roofing issues and aluminum electrical wiring. They had already had one unit fire, and electrical shorts were a common complaint. They decided that instead of paying out those repair costs directly that they would resell all the apartments as condominiums to investors to pay for the repairs that way. They didn't evict everyone, but they issued a notice that after a certain date leases would not be allowed to renew, and any lease renewals before that date would be capped at six months.
Location, location , location. The apartment build is 2 blocks from Union Station. Next door to Union Station LRT. 4 Blocks from Corrs Field. 5-6 blocks from Ball Arena. 3 blocks from Museum of Contemporary Art. Mile walk to the Opera House. Numerous night clubs, restaurants, and theaters all over the place. They will have no trouble renting the place after repairs. Very likely for substantial rent increases.
Here in Australia it varies state to state depending on the local tenants right laws but in most cases if you have a lease and for ANY reason the landlord demands you leave before your lease is up they have to find you suitable accomadation within your means to move into and to pay for your move. As an example I live in state controlled housing now and they are in the process of renovating the whole area ,they are planning to knock down all homes in the area and build new ones BUT to use the same blocks to put 3 houses on instead of the present one home, This is to help with giving them more houses to rent out and to update the older homes that are currently on these blocks that are about 50 or so years old. To make us move they have to provide state housing in an area of our choosing that is suitable for us within the rules that decide what you are entitled to (number of bedrooms and such how ever as you can imagine with the number of houses they are planning to knock down and to replace those homes with anything up to 5 times the homes by going to 2 story homes and no real yards this at first seems like a good idea but it will make these new homes unsuitable for many current tenants and so far it has taken almost 2 years to move us and we still have no house to consider as a place to move into. We have been in the current house about 12 to 14 years and while we are ok with the idea of moving we have cdertain requirements or our home such as a decient yard as we have 2 large dogs that requuire certain amount of yard area. Also as my father in law is older and reaching a point where he is showing signs he cant live on his own anymore we in the uture wilkl require either a larger home OR a yard that we can have housing to put a seperate building on that will be his seperate rom our own home. This means any of the new homes they are building are unsuitable for 2 reasons and while at the mioment we are likely to be offered a smaller home our need for a larger one again in a few months makes it that we are in no hurry to force the issue on moving.
In the UK "shorthold assured tenancies" aka a rent of 6 to 12 months normally have a fixed period of 1/2 of the lease length where neither side can break the lease. The landlord needs to provide equivalent accommodation if the property in question becomes uninhabitable. After the initial 3 or 6 months either party can give notice. Depending on the contract it's typically 1 or 2 months. The alternative (for properties like this) is a leasehold where the freeholder sells a 99+ year lease on the property. If there is this sort of problem then the freeholder needs to buy back the lease at the current market rate
Like so many commenters, I was also a renter in a downtown complex that gave a 30 day notice to all tenants. The extra twist in our case was that the property management company 'generously' transferred all of our leases to one of their new buildings a block away, where the rent was 30% higher. The note taped to our doors gave us three business days to decline the transfer! As Eddie Murphy once said, "Can you say scumbucket?"
No. Lease agreements normally contain a 30-day notice clause that applies to both parties. You pay damages because you are responsible for the replacement or repair of tangible property. Terminating a lease isn't a loss of property.
My ex-wife is dealing with this. Her apartment complex went from an owner who lived across the Lake in Canada, and stayed on site regularly, to a "family housing" company based out in Arkansas. Now, the complex was no great shakes to begin with, being a Youngstown area, 1960's place (below average build quality), with only cosmetic updates and in a less than optimal neighborhood, but the former guy tried to keep up the place relatively well (security cams, someone in the office 9-5, 3 shift maintenance staff, rules about loud parties/music/littering, etc.). He still had a helluva time getting decent tenants and constant headaches from the management company he employed, so he sold the place. The new owners are now trying to force people out, under the guise of renovating the complex. The property owner cut back everything in the meantime: office staff in on only certain days and for limited hours, maintenance staff gone (contracted out to a local company that never responds), no longer enforcing noise/party/littering rules. Tenants can either move out, or relocate to one of the "redone" apartments. The problem is the company jack up their rent astronomically if they decide to relocate to one of the "renovated" apartments (lipstick on a pig) in the complex instead.
In Texas the landlord always gets the upper hand in a lease, if there are problems you have to notify the landlord by certified mail with photos with your complaint, the landlord has a limited time to resolve it, if they haven't, you deposit your rent with clerk of courts in escrow, if the judge sees you dotted your I's and crossed your T's properly to this point he will order repairs or dissolve the lease in your favor. I've been to places where up the block entire complexes evicted everyone to tear it down and gentrification occurs, at very expensive prices.. we called this a wrecking ball special.. and the landlord has no obligation to return your deposits, pay moving expenses etc. Those on fixed income are stuck, have to store their belongings and live with friends until they can re-let a new place.
A friend of a friend has a condo. The roof was damaged in hurricane Ida. She was evicted. And ordered to continue paying all condo fees. Those that had a lease were also evicted and are required to pay the monthly rent because they are bound by a lease.
I live in an apartment complex where for the most part we are a COMMUNITY and some of us have formed friendships with each other. One of the mothers even trusts me to take her children to the park or other outings for a few hours at a time. I cannot imagine the horrific disruption this would have on our community if suddenly ALL of us were told we had to leave in 30 days. Finding a new home in 30 days AND dealing with the logistics of moving which is one of the biggest stresses in life and EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the complex has to do it AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. People come and go in life but the probability of EVERYONE in a complex all moving out over the same 30 day period is VERY LOW.
This is a fairly common scam by landlords. Kick everyone out, slap down new carpet and a fresh coat of paint and jack up the rent. The law in Colorado tends to favor property owners. If there is no current lease (month to month) the tenant is entitled to a 30 day notice only. Meaning the owner doesn't have to have a reason and may withhold deposits to cover damages. If there is a current lease in effect the owner may still serve a 30 day notice to vacate but is liable for the remaining time on the lease and can not withhold any deposits (must sue to recover any damages). However, the owner is not liable for any increase in costs the tenant may incur because of the move. Evictions in Colorado are handled through Small Claims Court. The Small Claims Court is a “court of limited jurisdiction.” This means that the court cannot award more than $7,500, even if your claim is worth more. You will have to waive your right to the amount that exceeds $7,500, or you will have to bring your claim in a different court.
something that happened suddenly to make them need to evict everyone... yeah, that would be them realizing they could rent out the places for 50% more or more. they could pull permits just to make it look like they need to do something, but the courts really should make sure that if they do grant the evictions, that they make sure work is really done...
I lived in an apt where (I was told) state law requires tenant placement in comparable apt mandatory to building owner to find new apt. I moved prior to this affecting me. Now there is a 50+ story tower that property tilting, uninhabitable, possible colapse.
More info is needed. A couple of things come to mind. The condo complex in Florida that mostly collapsed shortly after repairs were started. Frisco’s gorgeous high rise that is leaning because the city okayed construction despite the plans showing supports would not go down to bedrock. Made me wonder what everybody was smoking. Do go take a look if you have not heard about it. If that much talker and wider “leaning tower” than the one in Pisa, Italy falls a lot of other buildings will fall under its weight. I am thinking of checking if they, after hundreds of years, have finally been able to stop the one side of the Pisa tower from sinking? The owner of this apartment complex may have had an independent inspection done and found something very wrong. Or found that repairs for the continuing problems were going to be extensive and very noisy. Tenants want things fixed but they do not want to be disturbed for more than a day or two. If walls or floors have to be ripped out to get at the plumbing or structural supports they will be riled up. Or the owners want to renovate and charge higher rents.
We sold our 8 unit studio apartment building 2 years ago for a very good price but it was fully occupied. But instead of agreeing with the agent on giving him 5% commission, we agreed on a 3% commission. The substantial difference I gave to our tenants as a moving out assistance and they received a minimum 6 months rents back as moving out assistance, the more tenured tenants got 12 months. I got full cooperation from all tenants to leave within 30 days. This was actually during the start of the pandemic.
Decades ago, my college roommates and I were renting an apartment in a large apartment complex. It was a long time ago, so I don't remember the details, but the owners decided to convert the whole complex to condos, so we all got eviction notices. I don't think that we had a lease, it was just month to month. They also gave us the opportunity to purchase our units but the place wasn't THAT nice. It was an OK apartment for college students, but I wouldn't want to own it.
Lived in N. Las Vegas last 7 yrs. 2 bed 2 bath $640, then new lease $740, then another lease $840, last lease skipped the $900 and went straight to $1,025 with NO UPGRADES, then china virus hit and everything shutdown. Then apt complex closed pool and hot tub and told them if I can't use these facilities you need to then come down $400 off my rent, apt. complex said NO!! So packed my things and moved!!! CHEYENNE VILLAS-STAY AWAY
We had several place do this in Montréal, the owners refuse to do any regular maintenance for years (if not decades) one of the things rent is supposed to pay for, they when they finally do work they kick everyone out citing major renovations then they increase the rent!
This is a new highrise building with issues such as recurring major flooding, mold and balcony glass falling out onto the street though. It is also a luxury apartment. Some sort of rent plot is not what is happening.
This is a perfect example of why everyone should have renters insurance. It often cost $20 or a little more a month and protects you from all kinds of things including the building being damaged or falling into an inhabitable status and having to suddenly move.
I'm just wondering: Can an average person facing eviction be granted continuances on court cases? I've read that some rich businessmen will use tactic when someone is suing them for contract violations such as non-payment. They stall and stall and stall some more. If business can do it when they're being sued why can't a citizen use this strategy? In this case the residents of that building could tie up evection for a couple years.
"Circumstances beyond their control" is a pretty vague term to allow that apartment complex to get away with a 'breach of contract', with no repercussions. Serious damages to the property or no, they should be legally obligated to have a more specific reason for any eviction.
Likely the "beyond their control" is "rents in the area are higher than we are getting". Hopefully someone challenges this and the real reason can be discovered. If this was being done for reasons other than greed you could expect more information being made available from the owners, or at least more time (both of which can soften the bad news). Something like "we found asbestos in the building and have to remove it, you need to leave", or "the pipes all need to be replaced, you need to leave". But factor in the whole 'we have plans to renovate' and it loses credibility really fast. When it comes to this stuff, it is reliable to presume greed is the real motivation unless you can rule that out first.
@@stevedixon921, It does seem that way, doesn't it? I mean I'm in a, what is supposedly classified as 'low income' apartment complex, and the rent is the same $2,400 (give or take) a month. So that "luxury apartment complex" really does look to be like they are trying to "luxury" the hell out of it.
Funny how they can use “out of our control” but if the tenant used that they would be evicted. The term luxury should also be removed since clearly they are not
That almost sounds like Met on 7th in Birmingham, AL formally Metropolitan. It takes up almost a complete city block. Building 6 burned and the rest had to be evicted due to mold. This happened happened in late September 2018 with eviction in early 2019 and the number 4, 5 and 6 buildings are still under construction.
Me and my dad live in Romeo michigan...I started paying month to month last year in june...my monthly rent payment was 875 every month...In January of 2022 my month to month rent went from 875 to 1165....In may of 2022 my monthly rent went from 1165 to 1400 a month....These apartments are literally worth no more than 800 a month...Everything in this apartment is 30+ years old....including the appliances and furnace....The ventilation is terrible....The name of the apartments are Apple Valley....Its terrible what they're doing.....ill be so glad to finally move in 2months because i finally got called back to work full time...
Family owns a hotel and man it sucks this year they literally doubled the property tax assessment meaning out of the air we have to come up with 2x the taxes to pay for no other reason than bc they say so. This is 30,000 to 35,000$ out of a hat more than last year meaning we're 60,000 to 70,000$ on taxes (Not includding all supplies going up from gas, water, electric, equipment, supplies, insurance, and inspection/licenses fees). We are losing money. They are making it so we have to raise our prices or sell off the property. Really is making life hardest for those who want to supply cheap housing to anyone which we do being one the cheapest place in town for longterm workers, travelers, and folks needing a place to get by.
Much the same as this Happens In Idaho all the time, not really with complexes, but independent landlords and property management company's, Landlord breaks the lease (usually to sell or lease to someone else for significantly more money [supernova level hot market]) and serves a 30 day notice, police enforce a forced eviction if you dispute it with no court order, and the courts refuse to hear most if not all cases. This has happened to me 4 times.
I can't speak for elsewhere, but here in New Zealand the law requires that if a tenant/tenants is being evicted so that the landlord(s) can do repairs and/or upgrades and/or bring the house/flat/etc. up to code, they are required to give at least 60 days notice. This is opposed to simply terminating the lease which requires at least four weeks notice from either the landlord(s) or the tenant(s) to the other party. Subject to any additional time and/or other lawful conditions specified in the rental agreement. I had the 60 day repair provision issued to a flatmate and myself a few years ago, and it was appreciated as the time of year would've made moving out with 30 days notice near impossible.
In Alabama, There are laws framing certain conditions of a signed contracts that are illegal. I've had landlords who illegally evicted tenants. I advised them to check the laws at a legal clinic or a Attorney who practices Realestate Law.
We're the renters who were illegally evicted...did they pay their rent on time, were they up to date on their rent, did this happen during the EVICTION MORATORIUM?
@@rustyrivers7118 I don't know where you live. In Missippi or Alabama if you rent a furnished room, apartment, or house your rights are limited as it comes under the same rules as a hotel or motel room as it is furnished. But in both Missippi, and Alabama a notice of eviction is to be placed by a Constable or Sherrif Deputy. It gives you a day to appear in court. You must appear or judgement goes to the landlord or manager of property 🤔. A typed notice by the landlord or manager is not legal. They have to go to court pay fees 10 to 200 dollars to have eviction papers served. Every State has Real Estate Laws. In some states there are housing boards who assist in Tennant rights. Get to learn your rights where you live. Most Lawyers handling Realestate Law could give you a 1/2 hour consultation for under $200.00 dollars. There may even a free legal clinic for advise where you live. A public library will have a reference section where you can look at eviction laws in your state. Most renters don't know their rights, learn them.
@@jkirkland153 hello sir. Your reply is very good. And you certainly know some stuff. I am the Landlord. I am the owner. I have many houses and units. And you can bet your bottom dollar, I did whatever I had to do to evict the low life scum that was STEALING from me and my family during the EVICTION MORATORIUM.
@@rustyrivers7118 Good you know your rights but many tenants don't know their rights, I continued to pay rent during the moratorium as I suspected when it was lifted all past due rents had to be paid in full.
Looks like Ben has been run over by the turbine car. Cant wait to see the Grand increase in rent they plan on charging if these people want to move back in!
Don’t know about Colorado specifically, but most states have a Tenancy Act that governs the relationship between landlords and tenants. As such, leases must conform to the law. So, for example, say the act says that tenants must give or be given at least at 60-day notice for non-renewal then the lease must say 60 days or longer for that action, or otherwise that clause in the lease is considered invalid.
I bet there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the building and they don't want to be liable. Somebody crunched the numbers, and a bunch of lawsuits is cheaper than the risk.
Similar thing happening in Louisville, KY. A NJ company bought a complex and refused to accept rent payments. Then files eviction notice to tenants for non payment, including tenants that had paid before the payment app and office closed down. The purchasing company refuses to talk to anyone including the press. Likewise the former owners said yes we sold the complex, not our problem anymore.
Sounds like the building has serious structural / mechanical / plumbing faults, and the management narrowly avoided a building condemnation by agreeing to get everyone out.
This sort of thing happens all the time in New Zealand. Even with small landlords of individual residential dwellings. They make up bogus reasons to remove tenants and there is often very little accountability.
The anecdote about the judge getting mad about telling people that some states allow jury trial for eviction makes me mad. Basically, the judge told you that she wishes lawyers would stop telling people about their rights. For that matter, I don’t see why it affects her at all if she isn’t in a state that has that law. And if she was, she would be violating people’s rights by trying to suppress that information.
What happened is they found out that they can get more rent if they break the leases with the current tenants. It seems to me that if there were problems significant enough to evict all of the tenants that the tenants would be well aware of what they are. Just my dos centavos.
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The owner will slap a coat of paint on and raise the rent 2x.
And a cheap new white generic rug
Sounds like a way for them to quickly increase rent prices. I know in some places they can only increase it by a certain percentage each year on a tenant. New tenant new rent.
from what I have read this is a major structural issue with the building. a similar thing happened at the olympic tower in Sydney. This is closer to a Force Majore situation than a manipulation by the owners.
@@Isador911 if that was the case, 1) why wouldnt they tell everyone 2) why would the building become unsafe day 31?
to me it sounds like BS. They likely have to do a ton of repairs and figure if they kick everyone out, they can do repairs quicker and do across the board rent hikes,
If you read the articles they had a plan to do repairs floor by floor. But they ran into extreme issues that now require them to do the whole building at once
Easy test. Will they take the tenants back in after the repairs are the old rate?
If it was a major structural issue then the building would be condemned until repairs are finished. I actually agree with OP. I think the apartment complex is planning a superficial face lift of the property in order to increase rent prices.
I've seen something like this before. The building's management is trying to avoid a legal penalty for the conditions of the building.
"Luxury" is what got my attention. We live in an apartment that is labeled "luxury" but the complex was built in the 70's and has had few updates since then. It's far better than the first place we lived in when we moved to this town (roaches, rats, and porch pirates), but it doesn't compare to the newer complexes in the city. The price was unbelievable when we moved in. I couldn't imagine that it would rent for that cheap. 3 years later, the rent has gone up by quite a lot, and there is no place else we could move. Because of the way the new lease was written, I believe they are trying to get rid of long-term renters and make this entire complex student housing.
I know of a luxury apartment complex that 40 years later became a housing assistance magnet, a friend of mine had a similar illness as my disability, but there and his former residences were dumps by then. I was looking for a place to move to, and immediately crossed a few off my lists, all you have to do is drive through at 5 PM and see the activity outdoors and you got a good idea about inside. Parents yelling for their kids 100 feet away etc, car maintenance on the street or parking area, bags of trash (if it was ever bagged) all about.
Hello Steve,
I learned something new today from you. Ohio Revised Code section 1923.10 gives a residential tenant a right to demand a jury trial in an eviction case.
I work there 5 days a week and have done so for 3 years. There have been leaks in both towers since the first day I worked there. The leaks come from the fire suppression system.
"Out of our control" usually means "consistent with us not losing any money". Sue the bastards!
For sure their "emergency" is cost and probably trying to weasel out of liability.
If everyone sues instead of vacating they could really bog them down for a while..
@@dbspecials1200 Comments like these really reinforce that "tenant rights" have gone entirely too far.
Only in America, almost every other business is lauded for being successful and making money...except being a landlord. And remember folks. NATIONALLY, it was only the landlords who were targeted with the National eviction moratorium, forced to house people for FREE.
@@rustyrivers7118 There is a difference between a profitable business and corporate greed. This is corporate greed. A luxury apartment development is for sure corporate. Some mid level stooge took shortcuts during construction, and probably got bonuses for it, and just like every corporation they want the customer to pay for it.
A landlord would've had to have everything up to spec before anyone ever moved in. Because as you point out, there is a war on everything non-corporate, not just landlords.
with them being so secretive, it sounds like they dont want the extra expenses incurred by the repair contractors to add safety measures such as a scaffolding tunnel for residents to through or bypass actual work being performed; having the building empty may be cheaper for them to just get the work done; or that it could be done faster. Either way, it feels shady and I hope the people living in a luxury apartment complex are willing to challenge it.
i know in most states cases are so backed up, you request a jury trial, thats more than a year out right there.
Don't rule out that it might be that permits given are expiring and they need to get things done before the permits expires or they'll have to wait a year or two for new permits.
There are a load of things that can happen - but it would be really fun if this went to a jury trial.
This sounds FAR more shady then just repairs
@@arbiter1 My first thought ran to the Surfside condominium collapse in June 2021. Maybe an engineer found something and they want everyone out without having to disclose anything they can be sued for.
Plus they can raise rents with the tenants vacated too
I work for the company (at a different property) that manages this complex. After doing some digging and asking around I'll leave out the details but essentially the contract states that if the home is uninhabitable for any reason on either party side they have the option to nullify the contract but if they choose to take it to court they reserve the right to use a specific arbitrator and they are not allowed any punitive damages only actual.
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This needs to be read. Very good comment and informational thank you
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Thanks for this info. I will incorporate it into my contract for my rentals. Fabulous.
We live on our boat in a marina in San Francisco Bay. We just got a notice that we have 15 days to agree to vacate within 90 days. Those signing the agreement get a small relocation allowance. Those not out by October 15th will be removed from their boats, and the boats towed off to be destroyed. The hard part is that due to various regulatory agencies, our liveaboard status cannot be transferred to any other marinas on the West Coast. This makes those of us who cannot afford to buy or rent housing in the area homeless. One neighbor has a crippling medical condition, and is living on $1200 / month. Another has recently had hip replacement surgery and is not capable financially or physically of dealing with a move. The list goes on and on. People are going to end up anchored out (lethally dangerous in storms), living out of their cars, or on the streets. The reason for all this is that the new owners have plans to demolish the marina, and put in a high end luxury marina.
I got a 30 day notice to vacate once. I had noticed the trash service had stopped several months before the notice arrived so I stopped paying rent when they (owner) stopped picking up the trash. All the other people in the 6 unit complex accepted money ($500) to leave when the notice arrived along with an employee of the property owner to tell us to get out . I declined the offer. It turned out the property owner had filed bankruptcy and stopped paying for trash pick up and the mortgage on the buildings we lived in. In the end I saved four months rent which would have been included in a bankruptcy and was paid $1500 by the owners lien holder (Wells Fargo Bank) to leave no required time frame. Ya never know why..... until you find out why. PEACE!
Hope your new land lord could discover what you wrote here. Also, I bet you did not pay any rent during the EVICTION MORATORIUM...right?
@@rustyrivers7118 wrong. Never missed a mortgage payment nor a rent payment in my life. I sold my house in 2016. I only rented for several years over my lifetime. I am over sixty years and just happen to know the property owner can not collect legally during their bankruptcy. Not everyone knows that and that is why I told the story. What are you pissed about? I now live in my daughters home. She pays the bills. Works her butt off and owns her own home at 31, worked everyday during the shutdown as usual, paid all rent and utilities on time and will never have to deal with a property owner. PEACE!
@@rustyrivers7118 You are aware that a lease is a two-way street, right? Renters are required to pay rent to live there. The owners are required to keep the place livable. If the landlord breaks their end of the contract, the renter is not required to keep up theirs. Withholding rent in protest of poor conditions is perfectly legal and even encouraged because it gives the landlord incentive to fix the problem.
@@CiaranMaxwell if a problem is so bad where a renter needs to withhold rent, then they just need to get out. Cause if their staying, then something has to be good.
@@rustyrivers7118 They might not have the funds to get out. They might not be able to find another place to stay. Lots of reasons for people to stay in shitty conditions. What you said does _not_ negate my argument.
I keep thinking about that apartment complex in Florida that collapsed. In that case, there was structural stability issues. If the landlord in that situation had seen the damage and knew it was unsafe and send notices to tenants to leave and some balked, and then the building collapsed, would the landlord still be held liable?
If you're referring to the Champlain Towers, those were condos & most of them were owned by the tenants.
Always have to be weary of judges who don't think people should be notified of their rights.
A couple of points come to mind:
1. This kinda smells like a renoviction to me. I can't help but wonder if the "sudden event out of their control" was the building owner realizing that with property values being what they are, they could be charging a lot more for their units.
2. If it's NOT a renoviction, then I wonder why they can't move people around a bit. I have to assume that through normal turnover and other usual circumstances that:
a) *Some* tenants were going to leave anyway.
b) *Some* tenants will be happy to be let out of their lease and move.
c) *Some* tenants won't bother fighting this and…
d) *Some* tenants will want to stay.
If these assumptions are true, why can they not sort out all of the tenants who ARE going to leave and then see if they have enough suitable units to house those who want to stay until the work on their units/floors, etc. is complete and they can move back into them?
Slumlord: But...that sounds like actual work. 😱
well yes with so many issues to do at some point it becomes renovation by default
@@danielhoward8354 reno-viction, not just renovation.
Oh, you KNOW that this is nothing more than a ploy to extract higher rents.
They'll do a handful of renovations. New flooring, new paint stripes in the parking lot, and a new sign out front.... and then triple the rent. Even in the event of fire code, or electrical code violations, they do not vacate the entire complex to complete the work.
I agree. It sounds like a renoviction.
I love the idea of requesting a jury trial. In my State, I'm not legally obligated to leave my unit until the court orders me to leave. I would most certainly file a complaint with the court, and request a jury trial to buy as much time as possible.
Yea but just the act of having a eviction filled against you can stop you from being able to get a apartment not a judgment just the filled status with some because your seen a someone who could cause problems let say wait them out and lose you have to play Cort cost and lawer fees and all the landlord has to do is not renew your lease and you done anyway I say take your 30 60 days in some place find somewhere else to move why keep giving money to people who want you gone. Your risking not being able to find someplace to live in the future. As some who has friends who work in leasing offices. I hear about this stuff all the time.
In Georgia unless it's a court ordered eviction due to safety reasons a landlord has to give anyone 60 days. And normally they have to honor a lease if one exists.
@KR your 100% right I tell people all the time dont mess up your life for something that's not that serious. Why pay 3 to 6 time the security deposit, or get rejected every time you put in a application which you have to pay for at most apartments. A lot of people think there somehow Winning something over by staying. It quite sad to hear the stories of these people when there homeless.
@@JimDean002 if they are behind on rent 30 day is all that's required. Most people are getting evictions for not paying or disturbing the other tenants.
And then you wonder why rent is so much and landlords hate tenants.
An apartment complex that I lived in for 3 years pulled a similar thing when the complex was sold to a new owner. The complex was rather old, being built in the late 1940's just after WW 2. The apartments were VERY low priced but that's because they had not been remodeled since being built, however they were kept in tip top condition by the old owners. The new owners wanted to make them upscale units with granite kitchens, hardwood floors, top of the line appliances, master suites with Jacuzzis, etc. All studio and 1 bedroom apartments were going to be converted by joining 2 adjacent units together to make a large 2 bedroom. All tenants were given 60 days notice to vacate. While the existing rent ranged from $550/month for a studio to $820 for a 3 bedroom, all converted units would be 2 or 3 bedroom for $1100 to $1700 a month, DOUBLE what the old prices were.
Common practice when properties change hands. If the lease has a 60day notice clause, then the new landlords can use it. Given the work they wanted to do, they could also have waited the 6-12 months for leases to naturally expire, but I'm sure they wanted to get the property converted and higher rents as soon as possible.
@@jfbeam Yes, that is exactly what happened. They worked VERY quickly and had over 1/2 of the buildings ( the entire Eastern side of the complex )completed in a little over 3 months. They started with these as this is the side with all of the studio and 1 BR apartments that they wanted to get rid of. The Studios were joined to make a large 2 BR with a HUGE master suite and the former 1 BR's were joined to make a 3 BR with a separate family room. These are the ones they charged $1500 to $1700 a month. Of course they got them done in record time to get that money rolling in !!! The other half of the complex they took about 8 months extra to get done. Those were the existing 2 and 3 BR units that they couldn't expand and therefore were lower cost.
That happened to me. Old ass apartments the had lead paint for $500 but they slapped some fancy siding on them after I moved and raised the rent to $1200.
Same garbage happened to me in Murfreesboro TN. 600$ for a 1 bedroom to 1050$ and what did the new owners do? Not a god damn thing except a new coat of pain but the sign went from XXX Apartments to XXX Luxury Apartments and the flying said they had swimming pools (plural, they didn't), a dog walking park (nope), breakfast nook (nope), park (nope), exercise room, laundry, wifi rooms (nope nope nope). It was all BS. They said they would. I got to low down, all of that was never coming unless people filed charges. It was a scam.
Yes. Because when you own the property you have certain rights, one of them is to raise the rent however it sounds like you were in a state where they allow the new landlord not to be forced to carry over the lease. What I would do in a situation like this is just allow the leases to expire, no reason to be a jerk about it. But some landlords don't care
Okay, put me in a 4* hotel, breakfeast included, $30 a day for lunch and diner.
Furniture and all my belonings stored safely on your costs.
I will keep paying my monthly rent.
So I have the right to return for price as agreed in the lease.
The building is settling crooked. Windows are popping out and water lines are cracking. There are 508 units plus a Hotel on the 8th floor. There ARE violations from the Fire department. It’s a 20 story building. Would you live in a building that the fire sprinkler is shut off even for one day? Safety demands everyone must go
Windows are popping out & water lines are cracking?! Sounds like there are major issues in the building.
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My state requires landlords to show cause as to why someone needs to be evicted. Just can't evict someone in my state anymore.
Too many landlords take advantage, kick people out then jack up the rents.
Sounds like the apartments were on the verge of (or actually) being condemned and the landlord didn't want to admit it.
@@maurer3d Yeah, the whole "the building isn't being condemned" being stated prominently kinda hints at it.
Good, the housing crisis in this country is a massive issue, landlords unfortunately need common decency legislated into law, sad times when we have to do that to keep good, hardworking people off the streets.
And for what reason should a property owner have to give to evict a tenant? There are already time limits that they must follow so why should the landlord have to “get permission” to remove someone from their property. You wonder why there is a housing crisis when states like yours make it so undesirable to be a landlord.
@@bnollbnoll2205 600,000 homeless people in the US and 16 million (One in ten!) unoccupied homes. Landlords do not assist in reliving the housing crisis, Landlords are an aggravating factor.
I've known a few in the past that only got five days to get out. Others got a note saying that they have fifteen days to go, which only a few took to court and never showed! And most of these is because they smoked on property instead of the middle of the street, which is completely surrounded by hospital/hospice/daycare/church, means busy roads and can't stand on sidewalk.
Judge: “I wish you would stop telling people that.”
Steve: *tells 100s of thousands of people in one run*
Silver lining is the notoriety may get the legislature to remedy the absurdity of jury trial for what amounts to small claims court isues.
This happened to me. Everyone served a 45 day notice to vacate. Complex was sold and leveled. The new construction was updated to luxury apartments and old tenants were given a 15% rent reduction on the new apts for 3 months. In reality you could have taken the 2 or 3 months until the deconstruction actually started.
a good friend of mine ran in to this, where some lower priced apartments did this. The entire building was demolished and a church was built on the property
Kick everyone out, and then let them back in with a 50% increase in rents.
Only 50?
@@Arassar They’re softies.
did I understand correctly? a judge is upset that citizens are availing themselves of their right to a jury trial?!?!?
Happens every day in Florida. One mogul sells a complex to another mogul. Mine, 200 units, was sold for $10 when it lost its LHITC credit. The whole thing for $10. First, remodel. Every unit gets a remodel, & the rent went from $800 to $1200. Now just 2 years later the unit is $1800 & they are all occupied. Moguls take care of moguls & know how to play the game to double the rent.
Here in British Columbia, Canada, if a tenant is illegally evicted, they can be awarded up to a year in rent as a judgement against the landlord. If there's a situation that requires a tenant to temporarily relocate for a major repair/renovation, any additional costs to the tenant above their regular rent is to be paid by the landlord, and the tenant can move back in upon completion of the repairs/renovations.
Canada's laws tend to be more lenient to tenant/workers.
Lol im yet to see this happen because it just takes a few notices to make whatever eviction legal.
You can litterally do that with eviction for remodeling and throwing a family memeber to live there afterwards.
Worse case the tenant doesnt pay rent and you do the whole eviction dance in court.
It's a very hit or miss process, it requires the new tenant to put their residency in danger..good luck, B.C. and lower mainland has gotten very bad.
How could that wombat go broke?
Many of the renters in Canada are on month-to-month basis after first one/two year leases, so they can be just given notice and that's it. One the other hand, tenants can leave at any time as well (with 30 days notice)
This exact thing is happening now in Louisville, KY with an apartment complex called "The Bellamy." It serves primarily U of L students. The building is only 11 years old! Scumbag landlords say the same thing about "needed renovations." The lawsuits are on their way!!
Scumbag landlords in Kentucky? And in Louisville of all places? I find that... really easy to believe actually, Louisville is a cesspit.
Lawsuits?
For what?
@@susanfudge1737 lawsuits for the owner using their own property as they see fit 🙄
@@susanfudge1737 breaking the terms of the lease.
@@susanfudge1737 How about breach of contract.
I. Nyc Landlords used to use this to kick out tenants from buildings and then re-rent it to more expensive renters i.e. Gentrifiers. However they close loop or a little bit because if you kick somebody out because of a warranty claws they have the right to the apartment when it’s done. But some landlords never fix it
NYC is on top of it when it comes to landlords but they still need stricter laws and enforcement
Seems to me that if an apartment place terminates the lease early, then they should have to pay you the termination fee, which in most cases is a month or two of rent.
Or the remainder of the lease.
@@MrTrailerman2 That would be even better, but I don't see how it can be justified to have a termination fee for one side and not the other.
They're not going to ever put that in the contract though. It's not like you can pick and choose another apartment that has a better contract, they're all equally as lopsided on terms.
@@litigioussociety4249 oh you can bet there is some clause in the lease that works in their favor.
A lot of politicians are also land holders/ renters. They will never write a law that doesn't benefit them.
Given how easy to write into contract that is very one sided. As a member of an ownership group of apartments. I know all the contracts have a habitability escape clause, where if a repair event will take more than an a set amount of time. We can declare a building uninhabitable and start the contract breaking process. Only times I know of our group doing it to a building was once for black mold and once for a water main break in a different building took out 2 buildings because or the pipe layout.
Sounds like what happened suddenly is that local rents went up and they believe it'll be cheaper to ask people to leave and then do what work is necessary and tack on the extra to new tenants.
But no one would be that unethical would they?
It takes a long time to get a court ordered eviction, most especially against someone that's paid up. Any paid up tenant could stay for months. If there's no threat to the tenant's health the judge will not be inclined to evict. Two great books on this topic, The Renter's Handbook and The Landlord's Handbook. Read them both regardless of which you are and it will all be very clear.
Many years ago, there was an apartment complex it the greater Salt Lake area that decided to covert to condominiums. They basically did the same thing. They evicted all the tenants. Then started selling the units as condos.
Fantastic. I hope the owner got a great return on his investment.
"We can make more money by replacing you. Get out."
Just like at work.
Landlords are using the Surfside collapse as leverage. “We have major repairs that need to be done before the building collapses”.
My last apartment complex did this. They evicted everybody over a couple of months, claiming they were doing major renovations and remodeling. A few months after everybody left they were looking for tenants again for $400/mo more than they charged previously. I toured one of the apartments and there were no noticeable changes related to remodeling or renovation. It was still a dump. Capitalism isn't kind to renters.
Capitalism isn't kind to anyone except those who are already rich.
Crooks are everywhere.
My first thoughts, exactly. The present economy, especially housing, has opened the door to greed.
You have to have capital to benefit from capitalism
@@Alverant ya unlike socialism which you all suffer equally regardless of wealth.
about 10 years back a friend and I were renting a place in a small town in the south for work, and the landlord kicked us out before out lease was up. They found someone who was willing to pay more rent for the place. We did not even think twice about fighting it as the landlord not only owned about 2/3rds of the town, but was both a lawyer and the mayor. As someone just out of college living paycheck to paycheck.. it was not something we would of stood a chance against.
File at the state level for a change of venue. Undue influence.
That's life.
Sometimes the best way to win a fight in your favor. Is just avoid it, and save the time and stress.
Been there, done that, more than once.
Your time and we'll being is hard to put a price on. But,.. it is limited. And that makes it worth a lot ✌️
@@Iansco1 didn't know that
@@Iansco1 Or, depending on the amount of money involved, file in small-claims court. I understand they typically don't have as many options for high-priced lawyers to screw around when their client is obviously on the wrong side of the law.
@@Iansco1 if he had that much influence that town he likely had some friends in higher places as well. That said your suggestion is correct.
Lawyer recommends going to court… shocking
We had something similar happen here locally. There were a few differences though. It involved a hotel that was not equipped to be an extended stay hotel. Yet, you had families and kids, living in this hotel, some had been there for years. All kinds of code violations, pest and rodent issues, drugs, prostitution, theft, you name it, it ALL went on there. The folks at the County knew about these issues for well over a year.
The health department comes in, does an inspection. Gives the hotel a passing score and immediately shuts the hotel down after the inspection. You had more than 200 people who were given 24 HOURS to vacate the premises.
In the case with the luxury apartments, it will all boil down to what is actually in the lease agreement. And I would say that most tenants never read those things. I think many of these people will be surprised. Only time will tell.
I heard there is a high rise in Virginia, reported by Newport news, that has given all tenants 24 hours to vacate.
Yea that's not legal in any state unless prior eviction notices have already been served. If they have, they must show proof of those notices and that they were delivered. Once it comes to a 24 hr notice to vacate, that is usually to the point where the courts are already involved and so are the police. They can't just arbitrarily evict anyone with just a 24 hr notice. If they did this, they are liable for a huge lawsuit that they are likely to lose and possibly face criminal charges.
In that case the building was deemed unsafe. Would you rather they cover it up and end up like Champlain tower south in Florida? (It collapsed)
@@blakel4595 yea see that clarifies why the notice was issued and it makes sense. Had he said the building had been condemned, I never would have said what I said. I live in Florida and it is a big deal here still. Many condos all over the state are under heavy scrutiny.
In addition to trying to avoid the costs of re-housing their tenants, these guys are probably going to do the repairs and then cash out and sell the complex as condos. My wife and I had a similar situation in an apartment we had rented. The apartment complex was beginning to incur high costs do to extensive repair and remodel costs for every building in the complex, due to roofing issues and aluminum electrical wiring. They had already had one unit fire, and electrical shorts were a common complaint. They decided that instead of paying out those repair costs directly that they would resell all the apartments as condominiums to investors to pay for the repairs that way. They didn't evict everyone, but they issued a notice that after a certain date leases would not be allowed to renew, and any lease renewals before that date would be capped at six months.
Location, location , location. The apartment build is 2 blocks from Union Station. Next door to Union Station LRT. 4 Blocks from Corrs Field. 5-6 blocks from Ball Arena. 3 blocks from Museum of Contemporary Art. Mile walk to the Opera House. Numerous night clubs, restaurants, and theaters all over the place. They will have no trouble renting the place after repairs. Very likely for substantial rent increases.
Here in Australia it varies state to state depending on the local tenants right laws but in most cases if you have a lease and for ANY reason the landlord demands you leave before your lease is up they have to find you suitable accomadation within your means to move into and to pay for your move. As an example I live in state controlled housing now and they are in the process of renovating the whole area ,they are planning to knock down all homes in the area and build new ones BUT to use the same blocks to put 3 houses on instead of the present one home, This is to help with giving them more houses to rent out and to update the older homes that are currently on these blocks that are about 50 or so years old. To make us move they have to provide state housing in an area of our choosing that is suitable for us within the rules that decide what you are entitled to (number of bedrooms and such how ever as you can imagine with the number of houses they are planning to knock down and to replace those homes with anything up to 5 times the homes by going to 2 story homes and no real yards this at first seems like a good idea but it will make these new homes unsuitable for many current tenants and so far it has taken almost 2 years to move us and we still have no house to consider as a place to move into. We have been in the current house about 12 to 14 years and while we are ok with the idea of moving we have cdertain requirements or our home such as a decient yard as we have 2 large dogs that requuire certain amount of yard area. Also as my father in law is older and reaching a point where he is showing signs he cant live on his own anymore we in the uture wilkl require either a larger home OR a yard that we can have housing to put a seperate building on that will be his seperate rom our own home. This means any of the new homes they are building are unsuitable for 2 reasons and while at the mioment we are likely to be offered a smaller home our need for a larger one again in a few months makes it that we are in no hurry to force the issue on moving.
In the UK "shorthold assured tenancies" aka a rent of 6 to 12 months normally have a fixed period of 1/2 of the lease length where neither side can break the lease. The landlord needs to provide equivalent accommodation if the property in question becomes uninhabitable. After the initial 3 or 6 months either party can give notice. Depending on the contract it's typically 1 or 2 months.
The alternative (for properties like this) is a leasehold where the freeholder sells a 99+ year lease on the property. If there is this sort of problem then the freeholder needs to buy back the lease at the current market rate
Like so many commenters, I was also a renter in a downtown complex that gave a 30 day notice to all tenants.
The extra twist in our case was that the property management company 'generously' transferred all of our leases to one of their new buildings a block away, where the rent was 30% higher.
The note taped to our doors gave us three business days to decline the transfer!
As Eddie Murphy once said, "Can you say scumbucket?"
Just like a lease provides charges if you damage something. Shouldn't they pay the cost of tenant relocation?
No. Lease agreements normally contain a 30-day notice clause that applies to both parties. You pay damages because you are responsible for the replacement or repair of tangible property. Terminating a lease isn't a loss of property.
@@buckhorncortez
Terminating the lease before the primary term expires is a loss of property.
@@timdowney6721 Terminating results in loss of possession/control of the property, not loss of property. At issue was what was in the lease.
That’s a raw deal!
My ex-wife is dealing with this. Her apartment complex went from an owner who lived across the Lake in Canada, and stayed on site regularly, to a "family housing" company based out in Arkansas. Now, the complex was no great shakes to begin with, being a Youngstown area, 1960's place (below average build quality), with only cosmetic updates and in a less than optimal neighborhood, but the former guy tried to keep up the place relatively well (security cams, someone in the office 9-5, 3 shift maintenance staff, rules about loud parties/music/littering, etc.). He still had a helluva time getting decent tenants and constant headaches from the management company he employed, so he sold the place. The new owners are now trying to force people out, under the guise of renovating the complex. The property owner cut back everything in the meantime: office staff in on only certain days and for limited hours, maintenance staff gone (contracted out to a local company that never responds), no longer enforcing noise/party/littering rules. Tenants can either move out, or relocate to one of the "redone" apartments. The problem is the company jack up their rent astronomically if they decide to relocate to one of the "renovated" apartments (lipstick on a pig) in the complex instead.
“Circumstances out of our control.” Sounds like an “act of God.”
In Texas the landlord always gets the upper hand in a lease, if there are problems you have to notify the landlord by certified mail with photos with your complaint, the landlord has a limited time to resolve it, if they haven't, you deposit your rent with clerk of courts in escrow, if the judge sees you dotted your I's and crossed your T's properly to this point he will order repairs or dissolve the lease in your favor. I've been to places where up the block entire complexes evicted everyone to tear it down and gentrification occurs, at very expensive prices.. we called this a wrecking ball special.. and the landlord has no obligation to return your deposits, pay moving expenses etc. Those on fixed income are stuck, have to store their belongings and live with friends until they can re-let a new place.
A friend of a friend has a condo. The roof was damaged in hurricane Ida. She was evicted. And ordered to continue paying all condo fees. Those that had a lease were also evicted and are required to pay the monthly rent because they are bound by a lease.
I live in an apartment complex where for the most part we are a COMMUNITY and some of us have formed friendships with each other. One of the mothers even trusts me to take her children to the park or other outings for a few hours at a time. I cannot imagine the horrific disruption this would have on our community if suddenly ALL of us were told we had to leave in 30 days. Finding a new home in 30 days AND dealing with the logistics of moving which is one of the biggest stresses in life and EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the complex has to do it AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. People come and go in life but the probability of EVERYONE in a complex all moving out over the same 30 day period is VERY LOW.
that quote is wiser than most proverbs
This is a fairly common scam by landlords. Kick everyone out, slap down new carpet and a fresh coat of paint and jack up the rent.
The law in Colorado tends to favor property owners.
If there is no current lease (month to month) the tenant is entitled to a 30 day notice only. Meaning the owner doesn't have to have a reason and may withhold deposits to cover damages.
If there is a current lease in effect the owner may still serve a 30 day notice to vacate but is liable for the remaining time on the lease and can not withhold any deposits (must sue to recover any damages). However, the owner is not liable for any increase in costs the tenant may incur because of the move.
Evictions in Colorado are handled through Small Claims Court. The Small Claims Court is a “court of limited jurisdiction.” This means that the court cannot award more than $7,500, even if your claim is worth more. You will have to waive your right to the amount that exceeds $7,500, or you will have to bring your claim in a different court.
So what? It’s their property and they can do what they want with it
something that happened suddenly to make them need to evict everyone... yeah, that would be them realizing they could rent out the places for 50% more or more. they could pull permits just to make it look like they need to do something, but the courts really should make sure that if they do grant the evictions, that they make sure work is really done...
Yes, the owner realized they could get a better return on their investment, and your complaint is...?
Its almost like forcing people to sell things for less than they are worth causes problems and corruption.
Or they got a dark budget bribe to house "refugees" after a fresh paint job.
I lived in an apt where (I was told) state law requires tenant placement in comparable apt mandatory to building owner to find new apt. I moved prior to this affecting me. Now there is a 50+ story tower that property tilting, uninhabitable, possible colapse.
More info is needed. A couple of things come to mind. The condo complex in Florida that mostly collapsed shortly after repairs were started. Frisco’s gorgeous high rise that is leaning because the city okayed construction despite the plans showing supports would not go down to bedrock. Made me wonder what everybody was smoking. Do go take a look if you have not heard about it. If that much talker and wider “leaning tower” than the one in Pisa, Italy falls a lot of other buildings will fall under its weight. I am thinking of checking if they, after hundreds of years, have finally been able to stop the one side of the Pisa tower from sinking?
The owner of this apartment complex may have had an independent inspection done and found something very wrong. Or found that repairs for the continuing problems were going to be extensive and very noisy. Tenants want things fixed but they do not want to be disturbed for more than a day or two. If walls or floors have to be ripped out to get at the plumbing or structural supports they will be riled up. Or the owners want to renovate and charge higher rents.
We sold our 8 unit studio apartment building 2 years ago for a very good price but it was fully occupied. But instead of agreeing with the agent on giving him 5% commission, we agreed on a 3% commission. The substantial difference I gave to our tenants as a moving out assistance and they received a minimum 6 months rents back as moving out assistance, the more tenured tenants got 12 months. I got full cooperation from all tenants to leave within 30 days. This was actually during the start of the pandemic.
My money is one A: The repairs are just too extensive, so they gonna sell it off or tear it down.
B: Blackrock offered to buy it.
Decades ago, my college roommates and I were renting an apartment in a large apartment complex. It was a long time ago, so I don't remember the details, but the owners decided to convert the whole complex to condos, so we all got eviction notices. I don't think that we had a lease, it was just month to month. They also gave us the opportunity to purchase our units but the place wasn't THAT nice. It was an OK apartment for college students, but I wouldn't want to own it.
They will be tarting up the building and then Bump up the rent to new tenants
Lived in N. Las Vegas last 7 yrs. 2 bed 2 bath $640, then new lease $740, then another lease $840, last lease skipped the $900 and went straight to $1,025 with NO UPGRADES, then china virus hit and everything shutdown. Then apt complex closed pool and hot tub and told them if I can't use these facilities you need to then come down $400 off my rent, apt. complex said NO!! So packed my things and moved!!! CHEYENNE VILLAS-STAY AWAY
We had several place do this in Montréal, the owners refuse to do any regular maintenance for years (if not decades) one of the things rent is supposed to pay for, they when they finally do work they kick everyone out citing major renovations then they increase the rent!
This is a new highrise building with issues such as recurring major flooding, mold and balcony glass falling out onto the street though. It is also a luxury apartment. Some sort of rent plot is not what is happening.
I wonder if there is a potential Champlain Towers South situation: It repairs may be so extensive that the building is/will be uninhabitable.
This is a perfect example of why everyone should have renters insurance. It often cost $20 or a little more a month and protects you from all kinds of things including the building being damaged or falling into an inhabitable status and having to suddenly move.
I'm just wondering:
Can an average person facing eviction be granted continuances on court cases?
I've read that some rich businessmen will use tactic when someone is suing them for contract violations such as non-payment. They stall and stall and stall some more.
If business can do it when they're being sued why can't a citizen use this strategy?
In this case the residents of that building could tie up evection for a couple years.
Yep. I definitely fight this -- especially when all of the tenants are in the same situation and can combine forces into one suit.
"Circumstances beyond their control" is a pretty vague term to allow that apartment complex to get away with a 'breach of contract', with no repercussions. Serious damages to the property or no, they should be legally obligated to have a more specific reason for any eviction.
Likely the "beyond their control" is "rents in the area are higher than we are getting". Hopefully someone challenges this and the real reason can be discovered.
If this was being done for reasons other than greed you could expect more information being made available from the owners, or at least more time (both of which can soften the bad news). Something like "we found asbestos in the building and have to remove it, you need to leave", or "the pipes all need to be replaced, you need to leave". But factor in the whole 'we have plans to renovate' and it loses credibility really fast.
When it comes to this stuff, it is reliable to presume greed is the real motivation unless you can rule that out first.
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It does seem that way, doesn't it? I mean I'm in a, what is supposedly classified as 'low income' apartment complex, and the rent is the same $2,400 (give or take) a month. So that "luxury apartment complex" really does look to be like they are trying to "luxury" the hell out of it.
Funny how they can use “out of our control” but if the tenant used that they would be evicted. The term luxury should also be removed since clearly they are not
Happened to me. This year. Landlord wanted to kick me out, renovate, then raise rent by 1k 🤣🤣🤣
So they let the place deteriorate to a point the repairs were overwhelming.
That almost sounds like Met on 7th in Birmingham, AL formally Metropolitan. It takes up almost a complete city block. Building 6 burned and the rest had to be evicted due to mold. This happened happened in late September 2018 with eviction in early 2019 and the number 4, 5 and 6 buildings are still under construction.
Thanks George.
Considering what happened with the building collapse in Florida I would get out quick.
Me and my dad live in Romeo michigan...I started paying month to month last year in june...my monthly rent payment was 875 every month...In January of 2022 my month to month rent went from 875 to 1165....In may of 2022 my monthly rent went from 1165 to 1400 a month....These apartments are literally worth no more than 800 a month...Everything in this apartment is 30+ years old....including the appliances and furnace....The ventilation is terrible....The name of the apartments are Apple Valley....Its terrible what they're doing.....ill be so glad to finally move in 2months because i finally got called back to work full time...
And when the apartment is fixed, if that's the actual case, the rent will SKYROCKET!!!
Remember Champlain Towers in Florida that collapsed? Get out of there and run.
Benjamin lying between the "WABX 99" decal and the "nostalgic" plate above Steve's left shoulder.
Family owns a hotel and man it sucks this year they literally doubled the property tax assessment meaning out of the air we have to come up with 2x the taxes to pay for no other reason than bc they say so. This is 30,000 to 35,000$ out of a hat more than last year meaning we're 60,000 to 70,000$ on taxes (Not includding all supplies going up from gas, water, electric, equipment, supplies, insurance, and inspection/licenses fees). We are losing money. They are making it so we have to raise our prices or sell off the property.
Really is making life hardest for those who want to supply cheap housing to anyone which we do being one the cheapest place in town for longterm workers, travelers, and folks needing a place to get by.
Much the same as this Happens In Idaho all the time, not really with complexes, but independent landlords and property management company's, Landlord breaks the lease (usually to sell or lease to someone else for significantly more money [supernova level hot market]) and serves a 30 day notice, police enforce a forced eviction if you dispute it with no court order, and the courts refuse to hear most if not all cases.
This has happened to me 4 times.
I can't speak for elsewhere, but here in New Zealand the law requires that if a tenant/tenants is being evicted so that the landlord(s) can do repairs and/or upgrades and/or bring the house/flat/etc. up to code, they are required to give at least 60 days notice. This is opposed to simply terminating the lease which requires at least four weeks notice from either the landlord(s) or the tenant(s) to the other party. Subject to any additional time and/or other lawful conditions specified in the rental agreement. I had the 60 day repair provision issued to a flatmate and myself a few years ago, and it was appreciated as the time of year would've made moving out with 30 days notice near impossible.
"empathy" is just as empty, meaningless, and insincere as "thoughts and prayers"
In Alabama, There are laws framing certain conditions of a signed contracts that are illegal. I've had landlords who illegally evicted tenants. I advised them to check the laws at a legal clinic or a Attorney who practices Realestate Law.
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We're the renters who were illegally evicted...did they pay their rent on time, were they up to date on their rent, did this happen during the EVICTION MORATORIUM?
@@rustyrivers7118 I don't know where you live. In Missippi or Alabama if you rent a furnished room, apartment, or house your rights are limited as it comes under the same rules as a hotel or motel room as it is furnished. But in both Missippi, and Alabama a notice of eviction is to be placed by a Constable or Sherrif Deputy. It gives you a day to appear in court. You must appear or judgement goes to the landlord or manager of property 🤔. A typed notice by the landlord or manager is not legal. They have to go to court pay fees 10 to 200 dollars to have eviction papers served. Every State has Real Estate Laws. In some states there are housing boards who assist in Tennant rights. Get to learn your rights where you live. Most Lawyers handling Realestate Law could give you a 1/2 hour consultation for under $200.00 dollars. There may even a free legal clinic for advise where you live. A public library will have a reference section where you can look at eviction laws in your state. Most renters don't know their rights, learn them.
@@jkirkland153 hello sir. Your reply is very good. And you certainly know some stuff. I am the Landlord. I am the owner. I have many houses and units. And you can bet your bottom dollar, I did whatever I had to do to evict the low life scum that was STEALING from me and my family during the EVICTION MORATORIUM.
@@rustyrivers7118 Good you know your rights but many tenants don't know their rights, I continued to pay rent during the moratorium as I suspected when it was lifted all past due rents had to be paid in full.
Jury trial then jury nullifcation. But a court officer cannot suggest that.
Looks like Ben has been run over by the turbine car. Cant wait to see the Grand increase in rent they plan on charging if these people want to move back in!
Bet you will find they lost the certificate of occupancy.
Don’t know about Colorado specifically, but most states have a Tenancy Act that governs the relationship between landlords and tenants. As such, leases must conform to the law. So, for example, say the act says that tenants must give or be given at least at 60-day notice for non-renewal then the lease must say 60 days or longer for that action, or otherwise that clause in the lease is considered invalid.
Love how they call it "luxury" when it's a hole in the wall type of building. Hope the tenants win
I live in Denver and was hoping you would cover this.
So when they are fighting it out in court.... and the building falls down (like in FL) now what...
I bet there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the building and they don't want to be liable. Somebody crunched the numbers, and a bunch of lawsuits is cheaper than the risk.
IFreaking madhouse when dozens, if not hundreds, are trying to move out at once.
Similar thing happening in Louisville, KY. A NJ company bought a complex and refused to accept rent payments. Then files eviction notice to tenants for non payment, including tenants that had paid before the payment app and office closed down. The purchasing company refuses to talk to anyone including the press. Likewise the former owners said yes we sold the complex, not our problem anymore.
fire that business for refusing rent payments.
New Jersey? Sounds like there is a Kushner or a Trump involved.
Sounds like the building has serious structural / mechanical / plumbing faults, and the management narrowly avoided a building condemnation by agreeing to get everyone out.
My thoughts too.
Condos collapse....
I would take my chances with a jury trial for damages against an abusive landlord.
I WANT A JURY TRIAL, all day long unless I've
I've paid off the judge😅😆😁😄🤣
My thought is that some government entity informed them that they couldn't keep tenants during repairs.
What happens in a situation like this, where a tenant can't afford an attorney?
Pretty much, they have to move out?
This sort of thing happens all the time in New Zealand. Even with small landlords of individual residential dwellings. They make up bogus reasons to remove tenants and there is often very little accountability.
The anecdote about the judge getting mad about telling people that some states allow jury trial for eviction makes me mad. Basically, the judge told you that she wishes lawyers would stop telling people about their rights. For that matter, I don’t see why it affects her at all if she isn’t in a state that has that law. And if she was, she would be violating people’s rights by trying to suppress that information.
This building was completed and opened to residents less than 4 years ago.
What happened is they found out that they can get more rent if they break the leases with the current tenants. It seems to me that if there were problems significant enough to evict all of the tenants that the tenants would be well aware of what they are. Just my dos centavos.