It's a sad irony that they overreact in situations where there is clearly no issue, but take over half an hour to enter a grade school where shots have already been fired.
to be fair, that almost feels like an apples to oranges argument, as different officers and different states/counties, so different rules/laws/requirements.......wont lie though, your statement really does make everyone question wtf are police doing these days
A firefighter shared that if you tell 911 your whole house is on fire, crews practically race each other to the scene because they so rarely get to fight fires. There’s probably an element of that here… teams train for major situations that never happen, and when they finally get a call they overkill it on adrenaline instead of keeping their wits.
Firefighters are all basically pyromaniacs, wanting to see a fire. As a fire alarm installer I have been on many sites, when the customer or worker sets off the alarm, and the central station screws up and dispatches the Fire Dept on a false call. You should see the disappointment in the crews faces when they don't see an actual fire, sometimes they actually start threatening people.
It would be well to remember that a lawsuit was waged by a department to not hire a guy because HE WAS TOO SMART. They won. It's also apparently illegal to hold police to professional standards. There are no "wits" to loose. The PTB want hired muscle to enforce whatever rules they feel like passing. You can't have smart guys, they ask questions and cause problems.
I'll never understand why this officer wasn't prosecuted, he was under the impression that it was a hostage situation, and he quickly shot the first person that came to the door without taking the time to determine if the person he was shooting was even armed or potentially a hostage rather than a suspect. The fact that they were there due to false information does not excuse shoddy policework that resulted in an unnecessary death.
Today’s police shoot first and ask questions later. They have been allowed to do it for years. It’s time to stop. My job is in the top ten dangerous jobs list. I just can’t shoot every time i get scared. I live in the real world.
This happened in my neighborhood. It's a middle class suburb. Going in guns ablazing wasn't warranted and they should of waited for the SWAT to actually arrive as they are the experts in this area.
Andrew Finch was assassinated by an idiot of a police officer that sniped Andrew Finch from cover on the otherside of a five lane road before Andrew Finch was able to figure out wtf was going on, and that the commands being yelled out from a distance were directed at him.
There is a Netflix documentary series that covers this case. The cop was BEYOND guilty, as was the guy who did the swatting. Turns out the cop has a LONG history of excessive force, and he gets away with it repeatedly.
So is maximum force response. If police had ascertained the situation for five minutes instead of getting into a forward posture, this probably wouldn’t have happened. They unnecessarily exposed themselves to possible danger (if it had been a hostage situation). They’ve reduced their response options to shooting the supposed suspect but if the hung back a little they could have discovered the person represented no threat. It was the cops themselves that put themselves in this position.
"Swatting" is only as evil as the reasonably predictable police response in the respective jurisdiction. Where police respond to effectively anonymous and uncorroborated complaints with appropriate discretion and restraint, swatting yields maybe a few wasted hours out of a few police officers' day, and at most 5 or 10 minutes' time from the intended victim. Irresponsible, sure. Maybe even anti-social. But hardly 'evil'. If it goes beyond that, it does so only because the police escalated the situation beyond what is reasonably justifiable. They should bear the responsibility of that.
The video on this one was disgusting. They started yelling at the man on his porch and told him to walk towards them. As he started down his snow and ice-covered steps at night, he reasonably reached toward the handrail and they lit him up. It looked like the police were going to kill this man no matter what he did. The cops sounded super angry and the man looked super confused.
They love killin. In the Army I used to do some maintenance on a small arms range and the local police were allowed to use it for some reason. When the whole Afghanistan thing kicked off I remember some tacticool cop with his targets set up and 3 or 4 guns strapped to himself hopping around a target at point blank range and shooting at it. When me and the people I worked with got close enough for him to talk to us I remember him saying "You gonna go kill you some towel-heads?". I've never had anyone in the Army or the Marine Corps or anyone else in the military say any bullshit like that. Law enforcement attracts people on power trips who want to kill human beings for fun. When you become a cop, you know that you'll have almost anyone you come up against outgunned and you're legally allowed to run away like a bitch if things get too hot. When you join the military, neither of those things are true. I think we could fix almost all of this if prior service was a requirement to become a cop.
@@htomerif there’s only one thing worse than a coward, a state backed coward in blue. These cowards don’t care about their community, it’s definitely the power trip. I’ve grown to absolutely despising this profession.
@@davidking2835 It sucks, right? Every single cop that I've run across who is remotely "good" at their job is prior service. In Iraq if you accidentally ran over someone's chicken, you had something like 10 times the cost of that chicken taken out of your pay. If a cop finds $10k in cash in your car, they steal it and the PD gets a new rec room. I also find it disgusting that all these cops claim to be 2nd amendment advocates until something comes up that IIIA body armor won't stop. The biggest group that tried to stop us "civilians" from being able to own 5.7x28 firearms were the police. FN actually had to make a deal with them not to sell anything but hollow point to civilians to get it on the market. What gets me is the entitlement. Cops feel entitled to be able kill civilians with impunity. People talk about special snowflakes. Cops are the specialest of special snowflakes. Something's gotta change and it ain't gonna be fun.
@@htomerif I have always said that most cops are the people that couldn't make it through boot camp or just plain to chicken to even try. I watched a power tripping cop yell at a marine vet about how he has no clue at what it's like to operate in such a hostile environment like the "Suburbs" /SMH. Dude was literally talked about how everyone was a hostile, Marine looked him dead in the eyes and told he doesn't know shit about it tell a kid runs up on you strapped with a b o m b to his chest.
@@TdrSld Yeah. That's total bullshit on several levels. I remember as part of what I had to do involving radio infrastructure maintenance having to go to E. St. Louis. Most of the traffic lights didn't work, all of the stop signs had bullet holes in them, everyone was too afraid to be outside even during the day and there were no cops to be found. They just plain didn't go there. On another level, all of us non-cops are held to the incredibly high standard of "ignorance of the law isn't a defense". We're expected to literally know and abide by every law in existence. Cops? Ignorance of the law just has another name: "qualified immunity". That seems a little ass-backwards to me. I always love it when I see cops on all sides of a suspect pointing guns at each other. I remember once incident like that where there was one prior service cop running around just screaming at people that they would all die in the crossfire. There used to be a lot of good blood between the military and police. Not anymore. Whenever things *actually* get hard or dangerous, they call us out to do their jobs for them. They can't handle logistics. They can't handle communications. They can't handle any kind of tactics.
Five years to even get permission to try to hold the shooter accountable. And yelling different commands is 100% intentional. The cops know that they can then claim that the victim didn't follow commands, justifying whatever violence they wish to inflict.
It always blows my mind that "department policy" could be used as an argument for immunity - just because something is policy doesn't make it infallible, nor does it mean officers can't bear responsibility for their own actions.
I think that IS the distinction, if the policy is something akin to "negligent to a reasonable person" the city/dpt would be liable (likely in addition to the officers liability). If the policies are considered reasonable, But if the officer acted unreasonably and/or outside the policies the officer alone would be responsible, and that's what has happened in this case.
It has always amazed me that law enforcement departments around the country do not apparently train their officers to identify who is in charge at the scene and allow that person to issue commands. Instead it seems that every cop decides they are in command and it is nothing but chaos.
Agreed. Policies are cited as if they are fundamental laws. It's ridiculous. This is why citizens of a municipality/County/State should be constantly diligent to investigate all policies of the regions where they reside for flaws/errors/inconsistencies and strive to have them reformed.
It can't be a defense for the individual officer. The policy fact is only relevant to whether the department can also be sued, what's known as Monell liability.
In a nutshell, the department was OK with one of their officers using a sniper rifle to kill an innocent man. No investigation, No observations, no time to comply. Just shoot the man through the chest within 10 seconds
what about the waste of life that made the false 911 call? he only got 20 years in prison. and the tax payers are the ones paying for his food and housing...
@@crazypete3759 It cost less than a dollar a day to feed prisoners. Plenty of animals eat better. Likewise the housing value provided to prisoners is well under a dollar a day as well. Your money is just lining private prison corporations' pockets. The value of labor performed by prisoners well exceeds the value of food/housing provided to them. Who profits from the slave labor, oh yeah, the private prison corporations...You are basically arguing slaves are a burden and expense to the owners because they cost food and housing. History says otherwise.
@@crazypete3759 cop and authority shall and should be prosecuted at 10x the law and consequences and they should also live under the extreme iteration of every future law plan to be instated 5y in advance, so as individuals they can be informed on those new laws
Until they stop giving cops a pass on "perceived" threats this will continue to happen. If police are going to take someone's life the threat needs to be real and imminent. No more "I feared for my life" or "I thought I saw a weapon" nonsense.
Exactly. Police need to be culpable of their actions and held accountable especially in situations like this where they had every advantage over the suspect
If the past few years have shown us anything, its that cops have almost criminal discretion in NOT dealing with threats. They have no obligation to, and only do so when it suits them.
Originally the cop who shot him was let go. Then the union got him his job back. Then he was promoted to detective. My question is this... how many officers were on scene and why was he ( Justin Rapp ) the only one that discharged their weapon?
I would think rehiring then promoting the officer that opened fire shows the department ultimately supported his action. Ok maybe being forced to re-hire him they were stuck but the promotion shows the department felt his job performance was worthy of a promotion.
Because they only needed one cop to murder him. The other cops were there to make sure the cops lies were consistent so that they could justify it. Have you not been paying attention??? /s
Detective isn’t a position you get promoted to. It’s simply a job that has nothing to do with rank. It’s like saying an infantryman got promoted to truck driver. They are simply different jobs in an organization.
they need this trial to go forward... there needs to be civil liability against the cop, because a wrongful death occurred with circumstances way beyond the control of the home owners (and now dead guy) ... so there needs to be accountability. Also, police departments need to start enforcing charges against people who make false reports. For example, a guy was serving in traffic, driving aggressively, cutting people off ... I was driving in (military) uniform, got up alongside him, yelled at him to stop... he didn't, and exited the highway a mile or so up the road... 10 minutes later, 2 state troopers were behind me pulling me over. The one told me to exit the vehicle, saw me in uniform, and relaxed. He asked if I had any weapons in the vehicle, I said "no - you can check if you want" ... he then asked "so you didn't point a black handgun at a gentleman a few miles back?" I said "no", asked if it was an asian kid in a white lexus, and told him about the gentleman's erratic driving. So basically, this dickhead tried to "swat" me on the roadway. The troopers were very cool about it. I asked if they were going to pursue it, and they said "no, we run into this several times a week, actually" ... SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK. People call in trying to "punish" someone they don't like by making a very serious false police report. This will continue until police seriously prosecute those who think it is ok to lie.
Yea I’d like to see proof of this stupid comment my grand dad and 3 uncles all work for the police department and this comment made the roll over laughing
@@dezertdime1072 there is a video where all the cops shout different command and the guy don't know what to follow so he was going around in circles, just TH-cam it
Employers are liable for the actions of their employees when they are doing their jobs. The government can't claim they aren't liable as long as he was doing his job when the incident happened. Saying it wasn't policy to shoot the victim just prevents them from being *criminally* liable.
While I agree with you in theory, good luck getting the local, state, or federal governments from bothering to hold themselves to this standard at any point.
The government loves giving themselves special rights & basically being above the law. For example, If you steal someones money you can be charged with theft but if the government steals your money, it's not called theft its called civil asset forfeiture. I bet this would play out differently if this cop was instead a citizen in a similar position. They would likely get charged with something.
Doubt it! A mayor in a nearby town was attacked by police who shot their dogs in front of them for barking and pointed their guns at the mayor, his wife and kids while they held them on the sofa in handcuffs. He made a big stink about it later, but suddenly not a word and it went away!
My ex-wife had this done to me when we were going through the divorce in 2015. She almost got me killed. I never got an apology from the local law enforcement either for being thrown to the ground at gun point and handcuffed while my neighbor's watched. Of course, her being a woman nothing happened to her.
I’d like to know more of your story. While I would tread lightly on the gender issue considering current social climates, I can understand your trouble. I filed domestic violence charges against a former domestic partner whom I lived with but wasn’t married to and I was dismissed because I was (and still am) a male and didn’t show signs of domestic violence. I asked the officer who took the statement, point blank, “so I should have let her beat me?” and was told “yes”.
@@AdamGreenwell It is now more important than ever to highlight the "gender" issue. Courts disparagingly favor women in rulings and judgements. Government in general is largely deferential to the word of a woman and railroad an innocent man into near obscurity all with little to zero evidence or based purely on hearsay. I will refer you to the late Amber Heard case.
@@rucker69 You mean the case where everyone sided with Depp despite evidence suggesting a mutually abusive relationship? That's your go-to example for bias against men?
Gender does not mean anything. Swat team came at my old roommates place (who's a woman) on some BS that made absolutely no sense. The cops were flat out lying about the reason they were there. This can happen to ANYONE so long as these creep police think they're above the law.
it seems you are one of very few people with common sense , the root of this evil was the person who made the false call , they should be held accountable for the murder because that was their intention when making the false call
All the MORE reason that swat forces do not get to just go killing everyone they see on a call. YOU could be swatted at anytime by anyone. You see guns coming at you and everyone screaming commands and you have no idea what is going on, he did reach for something: His doorknob. When you're right at home and you're terrified, you run inside. He didn't even have anything on him. Police need to be held MORE accountable and at a HIGHER standard. I hope they take EVERYTHING from that cop, including his pension.
@@elinope4745 Completely agree but since his victim died, it should go to his wife and children. He had no reason to kill that man. If you watch the video, the man came outside, got terrified and tried to run back in the house and the officer killed him saying he saw him reach for something. He reached for the doorknob to run. That pig wasn't in fear of his life. He wanted a free kill and he thought he had one.
@@q.t.gamingfamily I agree but agree a whole lot more wholeheartedly if it goes to her AND his children. A wife/husband is someone special that you choose, but your children are an extension of you yourself and your family line.
what about the waste of life that made the false 911 call? he only got 20 years in prison. and the tax payers are the ones paying for his food and housing... These vermin should be eggsecuted!
There are so many other things that could be done besides just murdering someone. I know that the cop really wants to protect his life first but the guy who was just murdered would like to keep his life too. The cop deserves life in prison .
I think its pretty clear that if you value your life when dealing with a police officer at any point other then a doughnut shop, you should avoid that cop.
They are officers of the peace, they are public servants and have no right to privacy during their public service. It should be clearly legal to dox police who committed atrocities in their service. This sounds like attempted murder to me, and I should know the cop's name and address.
@@stevejette2329 Well, certainly go by the "qualified" part. It isn't total immunity, though some courts seem to think so. A grievous error by the cops should remove immunity, even if it wasn't intentional.
@Pol Pot 2024 Well put. We'll see if Americans still deserve freedom pretty soon I'd say. Sadly I think these stunning and brave men and women and... well whatever would much rather lick boots and beg for scraps.
Unfortunately some police departments are looking for a reason to justify their huge expenditures for SWAT teams and equipment. So any call gets a massive response.
Swatting is still a thing, Steve. It's used against independent media quite frequently, especially when they live stream their shows. A lot of these are done automatically. Bad actors call or access services online, and a very human-sounding call is made to law enforcement about a murder-suicide (most common), or hostage situation, or even a bomb threat. Tim Pool is a good example. He's been swatted at least five times this year, often while live streaming.
Tim Pool, Rekeita Law, The Quartering the list is long. All while live. Rekeita says now the police look up his show. They say "We see you live"... when they call him now.
At some point, you would think these police might take a second and think "didn't we go to this guy's house 8 times already and find absolutely nothing? Should we be following these anonymous tips so ferociously?"
The cops have dropped the "S" from SWAT. There's no longer anything special about this crap. To justify the expense of these gangs the PDs have begun deploying these clowns for all kinds of run of mill circumstances like simply serving warrants. My two cents.
I'm glad the guy who called got 20 years, but I feel like there needs to be more justice for the family of the man who died. The officer acted on his own, without using common sense or logic, and someone died. He should have to do time for that unnecessary death, plain and simple.
Because of the danger of the excessive force that is always used in these swatting situations, the caller should be charged with attempted homicide at a minimum.
You give very good presentations. After watching a few I have finally subscribed. The fact that you are a lawyer and can give us the laws etc. and explaining them clearly adds to the videos.
He should be sued and yes, the officers are ALSO responsible. They should NOT just come blazing guns on sight. They KNOW FOR A FACT that there are swatting incidents and should NOT just start shooting folks.
Go after the police unions/associations. Stop making taxpayers cover payments by cities - go after the retirement funds. THEN every cop actually has liability with each other.
This isn't any different that someone placing a call to me telling me that someone is outside my house doing something bad with a gun. If I come running out and shoot the first person I see within seconds and it turns out they had no gun and weren't threatening me, guess what - I'm being charged with murder or some form of manslaughter. It should be no different for this police officer who presumably has had quite a bit of training and should know how to look for a firearm and discern the difference between someone standing there and someone acting in a threatening fashion. Our troops overseas have more restrictive rules of engagement than most police.
And that nonsense when multiple police are on the scene and shout conflicting orders at a suspect needs to stop. Complete lack of discipline leading a suspect to have no idea what is expected. One officer gives commands, makes decision, the others stay silent.
I was going to say exactly that. There should be exactly ONE officer responsible for issuing "commands" to suspects. Also, commands should ALWAYS start with, "stand still - don't move". I don't care if the guy has one hand down his pants and the other behind his back. If he STAYS that way, he isn't a threat. Once you have a stable starting point, you can worry about getting his hands into plain sight and take it from there.
@@briant7265 Once came across a video of an armed response unit apprehending two potentially armed suspects in a meth lab or something in UK - calm, professional, one person giving orders, tight coordinated action - ready to kill if needed and clearly determined to do their best to make sure it wasn't needed. They even had a dog on scene who was the same - quiet, alertly relaxed, waiting for a signal. Everyone was very obviously keyed to the leader, the leader was the only person who spoke as soon as the op started.
Easy to say and works great in theory but actual application its a mixed bag. Just look at Uvalde. There was a senior officer in charge and he screwed up. Or what happens if the officer in charge hasn't arrived on scene yet, are the officers, who are on-scene, supposed to just stand around doing nothing?
@@jormugand5578 Chains of command, and people who are in command are competent - it isn't rocket science, police departments and militaries and sports teams and other cooperative groups the world over do it all the time. I guess that word "cooperative" is the rub, though - too much like obscene words like "collective" and "socialist". You know, where each person is thinking of what the group needs instead of what weight they want to throw around.
If swatting is known to be as common as it is, and police departments haven’t amended their processes to account for this, they should be liable. Just like the crap we see happening to Tim Pool.
Yea with Tim it was 8 or 9 times. You would think they would just roll a squad car at most, maybe even just a quick phone call. No chance I would let them in my house after #2.
I completely support investigating, police seem to have the mindset that they can arrest anyone with even just a hint of suspicion and the courts will do the investigation for them. The part they don't seem to care about is that by the time they've arrested someone, they've already had a significant negative impact so, while they may be proven innocent in court they've already been fired from their jobs, potentially been evicted from their housing, have an arrest record, and are now out several thousand dollars for bond and an attorney.
@@danielvest9602 bro, while I agree with your sentiments, you might want to re-word "investigate crimes instead of just following every "tip" they receive"; since following tips is HOW you investigate.
@@Max_R_MaMint Investigating would imply deducing the reliability of information and assessment of the situation. We're they aware of who was in the house? If it was a hostage situation, would they have shot a hostage escaping from the situation? Why would a hostage holding criminal exit the building without a hostage? This was complete incompetence coupled with adrenaline overload.
This is still happening a lot, TH-camr Tim Pool has been swatted at least 9 times just this year. Another TH-camr who goes by the "The Quartering" was recently swatted and the cops had him and his wife outside and on the ground with guns pointed at them. Another TH-cam lawyer Nick Rekieta has also been swatted a couple of times, most recently he had "The Quartering" on the night after TQ was swatted, during that live stream both of them were again swatted. This is honestly getting seriously out of control. The guys have all let there local police departments know what they do for a living and to have them call to make sure there's not an issue before something likes this happens to one of them.
@@plunger110 Rethink your position and watch the video. If swat shows up to the address and there's no sign of what the masked caller described happening...just...crickets...then they should proceed with restraint. Your desire for it to be okay for police/swat to continue to proceed with everything cranked up to 10, knowing that the caller may very well be masked and lying, is horrible.
Are you kidding? They would codify Blanket Immunity, and then say that the cops can sue the families of their victims for trying to make them look bad.
@@jonathanaliff6121 IN light of the Roe vs Wade decision removing "court constructed" rights and the Bruen decision making a more strict analysis of constitutional/unconstitutional ruling they might be looking a a different argument then not too long ago.
@@robrobinson8597 possible. I don't know the particulars of their ruling last year, but unless a very compelling case is brought before them, these justices seem very similar to the ones that created the doctrine in the first place. Thomas, in particular.
Your bit at the end is exactly why the city should be liable. Sure, it's mostly on the guy who made the false call, but police must have protocols and training in effect to protect the public from themselves being whipped into a frenzy any time a prankster decides to lie to them. The fact that police are known to uncritically react this way is why these events happen, and that's on the city/department. Regardless, the judge made the absolute right call that the reasonable perception of threat is a question of fact, and should be determined by the jury, not in summary judgement.
The "I thought I saw him reach for something" defense needs to go the way of the dodo bird. With that defense a person could be reaching for his ID to satisfy the demand of a cop that he ID himself and get blown away. The cops need to prove someone was reaching for a weapon whenever they claim the "reaching for something" defense. They need to prove it to the same standard of a criminal charge. Beyond a reasonable doubt. As it is now, they have permission to kill and ask questions later, if at all. It should be noted that the caller, Tyler Bariss, got 20 years in federal prison. He was convicted on 51 charges for this and other incidents. He had a history of this type of behavior and actually was known to brag about other swatting incidents. He was recruited by a teen named Casey Viner of Ohio to swat Shane Gaskill of Wichita over a $1.50 bet on a online video game. Yes, one dollar and fifty cents. Gaskill found out that he had been targeted and dared Bariss to swat him. He went so far as to give him his old Wichita address which was then the home of the victim. Viner was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison and two years of probation during which he is barred from online gaming. Gaskill struck a deal for deferred prosecution with conditions that he had to meet by 12/31/2021, otherwise he would face trial and up to 60 years in prison. He ended up pleading guilty to one count of wire fraud last month, so he obviously did not meet the conditions of his deferred prosecution. He faces up to 20 years in federal prison and will be sentenced this month The cop, Justin Rapp, actually sued Wichita for $31,000 in lost wages because he was barred from a moonlighting job while he was on PAID administrative leave while the shooting was being investigated. A judge with his brain screwed on right dismissed the case. He was then PROMOTED to detective after being predictably cleared by IA and having the DA sign off of any prosecution. So, the only cop among a sea of cops shoots a man because he perceived a threat that no other cop perceived. His reward for his faulty judgement is a promotion and the pay increase that goes with it. Go figure.
Family should sue the shit out of the swatters in civil court too. "Oh, you still own anything? Not anymore." Relieving the swatters of all their worldly goods and freedom might send the message out. Cop still fucked up tho. Not sure how that should be handled.
So, hang on. I'm not sure I understand this correctly. Shane Gaskill was the guy they were trying to swat, and he gave them a false address (his old address, specifically) after egging them on. Because of that, he's considered to be complicit and faces as much time as the guy who actually called in the swatting? I can certainly understand punishing him for egging the guys on, but I'm a bit confused as to why the sentence could be equivalent to the guy who actually made the call. Especially when Gaskill was intended to be the victim.
"With that defense a person could be reaching for his ID to satisfy the demand of a cop that he ID himself and get blown away." Yea, that has 100% for sure happened at least once (probably many other instances we don't know about). Philando Castile. July 6, 2016. So that's exactly 5 years ago today. Got pulled over for a supposed traffic violation. Had his partner and young child in the vehicle with him. Officer asked if there were any weapons. Yes, he had a legal weapon in his car. Officer asked for ID. Mr. Castile tried to retrieve his ID from his back pocket (where most men keep their ID). Shot him FIVE times in the chest for following commands. He actually fired SEVEN rounds in close range, but only five of them actually hit the intended target (which, like... wtf... it was very close range, lucky he didn't shoot the kid too). Right next to his partner and their young child in the back seat. Yanez was somehow acquitted of all charges. Castile's family settled a lawsuit (against the city, not the officer himself... so tax payer dollars paid this out) out of court for $3.8 million.
There was a time in NYC that cops carried "throw-down pieces": unrecorded firearms that could be placed on the body of some poor unarmed sod they shot because they knew they'd be in deep, deep shit if they were _found_ to have shot a poor unarmed sod.
More of this needs to happen. Cops can't kill innocent people with impunity. People won't respect law enforcement until they begin to be held accountable for their misdeeds. Law enforcement doesn't even try to stop these SWATTing events, they just treat them like training exercises. It's disgusting.
Sorry, qualified immunity absolutely allows cops to kill innocent people so long as they follow the specific internal polices (i.e. made-up rules, not actual law). As long as qualified immunity exists, this will keep happening. Don’t like it? Stop electing people who take political contributions from police unions.
So tired of this country’s judicial system. Guy should have got lifetime hard labor, 12 hrs a day 6 days a week, only rice and beans to eat for the rest of his natural life. 20 years ain’t nothing for a outright murder.
without some type of immunity they wouldn't be able to brandish their weapons or commit assault by aiming them at people when no justification for deadly force has presented itself. this would subject them to the same rules for deadly force as civilians and would likely cause them to just flee as they have no duty to protect anyone.
I saw the video. Even if you give the officer the benefit of a doubt and consider that he believed he was going to a hostage situation. The officer was behind cover and concealment when he was giving the victim orders. The officer didn't know if the man standing outside was the actual person that took the hostages or a hostage. Many times the criminal will have the hostage go outside and tell the cops everything is fine. The criminal has their loved one at gunpoint so they trust that the hostage won't alert the cops. If the criminal goes outside then the hostages are left alone and can escape. The victim didn't look like he was reaching for anything. The victim was confused why so many cops were outside. The cop was the only one that shot him. None of the other cops opened fire. The other cops didn't see any threat.
I am thrilled to hear this news. Ironically, I saw a 1 hour documentary about this exact event on Netflix last night. The show is called "Web of Make Believe" It is infuriating to watch. You can see this event on video. This cop was a total asshole. Trigger happy shithead. Dozens of cops waited for the guy to move out wiht his hands up. This chicken shit cop, Justin Rapp, just shot him in seconds. Nothing happened to him. You know, you acknowledge that policing is a risky job whether you are in Detroit or Smallville Junction. So we pay these folks a premium, let them retire early, and give them great benefits in consider of this risk. But the cops have flipped the risk to the public, particularly in light of the indemnity they are given. So cops shoot first and ask questions later and if they are wrong, oh well. One cop was told that a black driver had a carry permit and was carrying and the driver was told to show his license as soon as he reached for his license, he was blown away. COps face no consequences for their horrificly bad judgemnt so they shift the risk that is supposed to be theirs to us. Catch this story on Netflix. Your blood will boil.
Sorry, but statistically speaking policing isn't a dangerous job. Infact, it not in the top 10 most dangerous jobs....it's number 22 according to OSHA. Hell, being a garbageman or a landscaper is way more dangerous. I think we should take officer friendly and swap his pay with the garbageman...... after all, it's more dangerous.
Steve, How can the city not be at fault when they failed to verify the call location. Law enforcement could have checked the call and figured out it came from out of state. Or is it that this is not their responsibility? Love the content.
@@atranimecs man ain't that right ,every unkown call i return is "number not working , number disconnected or some poor schmuck who has got no clue why i'm returning a call from his number...
If the jury rules against the officer in the civil suit trial, would the city pay the judgment or would only the officer pay? Since the appeals court ruled that the city could not be sued, would the city still be allowed to participate in the suit by paying for the officer's defense? Often, the police union's contract with the city has the city defending an officer when the officer is on duty and charged.
This is not the first incident that I’ve heard of or saw a video in which a multitude of officers are screaming out orders. Quite often the commands are contradictory or make it so that one officers voice is drowning out drowning out another’s. This is a fundamental lack of training and/or departmental policy. It should be the first officer on the scene, unless an on-scene commander has been established. He/she is the only one who should be speaking. One officer and only one officer should be giving the instructions. All the rest should follow the lead.
Did any of the other officers present on the scene see him reach for anything? Why didnt they draw their weapons and shoot? If we got rid of qualified immunity, do you think these "accidents" would still happen as often?
Well the other cops probably also had their weapons drawn and leveled if the guy was receiving conflicting orders. Also because of the kind of people who are most attracted to the idea of having power over others, yes, this will still happen. I view that as similar to the whole "There are no good cops as long as the bad cops aren't held accountable"
Yes, they would. qualified immunity only protects them from CIVIL LAWSUITS. The answer is legislation to get cops fired who commit any kind of misconduct. The only thing cops really care about is their job and their pension.
Proceed with caution comes to mind. It’s amazing the lack of thinking that goes on in general. Cops already have a heavily tarnished name, one would think they would be doing everything in their power to turn that around.
All the good cops quit or retired early during the 2020 riots across the nations. I think one location the officers even had a day or week where they did a no show until they were done being theatened by their local politicians. The defund police thing also made things worse too. So if you thought cops were bad before you had really better pray to god you dont bump into the remaining bad cops who stayed because they will do anything for a paycheck.
Please remember that in that situation, all the officers knew is what the caller told them - that he was inside the house with a gun and had killed or intended to kill two others in the house. Cops thought they were walking into a crazed gunman situation. Does not excuse the officer’s actions once on scene, but if that had been true and there were two victims inside, it would have everyone talking about the victim in this case like we talk about active shooters.
I got beat up by 3 cops once. I have no criminal record, no charges were ever filed or considered, but I did get a trip to the hospital. *Edit* I guess I have 2 or 3 speeding tickets, so I am actually a verified criminal, thanks to a different officer trying to bump up my ticket.
GOOD. It's time to end immunity. Even if he's found not liable, it's long past time to hold cops accountable and have our day in court vs their actions.
Police playing 'Simon Says' in order to get a 'kill' is sickening and needs to stop. Police need one voice giving commands when someone is at gunpoint.
@@b_uppy Having each individual officer yelling commands without coordination is dangerous policy. The fact that conflicting commands are coming from individual officers (plural) is the problem. Maybe this is a failure of content of training, or of following training. If officers don't have the judgement and self-control to let a single officer on the scene give all commands, the officers shouldn't be armed.
@@johnkolassa1645 That's different than the argument I'm responding to. Officers need to be armed. They need to follow screening advice on hiring, too...
@@b_uppy Maybe they need better screening. I'm not confident that this will fix things, because they'll be screened by more senior officers currently exhibiting dysfunctional behavior. They probably need better pay, to attract a higher quality of applicant. In my opinion, what's really needed is better evaluation. This problem of multiple LEOs screaming conflicting orders comes up repeatedly. Some supervisor needs to evaluate body cam footage from every use of force incident, and needs to call behaviors that escalate problems for correction. Guns out and contradictory commands? "I'm sorry officer, but I'd like your gun and badge. You're in the wrong job". And lack of previous discipline for dysfunctional behavior ought to put the city on the hook for damages in future incidents.
When I worked as a deputy, we’re trained that one deputy and only one would be designated on site to issue commands or the first on site. Reduces confusion and misunderstandings. What is sad is that officer probably doesn’t have much or much money. So even if he is found guilty, the family won’t be compensated much if at all. No matter what, there is no REAL way to compensate for the loss of a life.
The lawsuit is more about holding the officer accountable than compensating the victim's family. He wasn't prosecuted, so a lawsuit is the only way to stop him from walking away with zero consequences.
Swatting is a big problem right now. There’s been times that TH-camrs are streaming live videos and the police kick in their doors because somebody swatted them.
Yeah, cops need to be held accountable. Like the cops invading Tim Pool's house during his live show under the pretense of exigent circumstances while agreeing that it is probably a swatting.
@@Fred-mv8fx Which has happened NINE times now. The "complaint" for the last occurrence came from an anonymous TEXT, and they still came in like idiots.
@@stevef68 the guy from The Quartering has had the same thing happen. I think it’s happened twice now. I don’t think they kicked in his door though. I know he walked outside at least once. They cuffed him and put him in a patrol car.
Yeah, swatting had become a thing in the gamer community. Sometimes it's an argument over a game. Sometimes, it's a "prank." Why the law enforcement community didn't start doing something due to the risk of someone getting killed infuriates me. It still happens, unfortunately. Sometimes you see it while someone is streaming so there are a ton of witnesses potentially around the world watching something unfold.
you know what could stop all these swatting incidents? the police calling the home first before going in the house, i can bet it would confirm a swatting, then they could go in safely and check up on the residence in the house, it's not rocket science
I can't stand it when a cop uses excuses like "I feared for my life" or "I thought I saw a gun" and gets off. As a cop, it's his job to react correctly in tense situations. Cops do this all over the country every single day. Why would he get a pass on shooting an unarmed man? As to "I feared my life", that's a good excuse for a civilian. You signed up for the job knowing you would be in dangerous situations. Cops can't let fear rule them. Any time a cop uses an alibi of that sort my first instinct is to cry BS.
Other TH-camrs have been swatted: Tim Pool and the guy from The Quartering. Tim has been swatted multiple times and the cops still come and check the full situation out, even though they have onsite security. This spoofing has to be addressed ASAP to reduce the risk to the person or innocent / uninvolved people getting swatted.
I like the golden play button plaque under the beware low flying owls sign on your right side. Congrats on that. Takes a lot of quality stuff to get that.
The suggestion of police departments and the general public to start using some common sense by responding adequately to these types of incidents is highly unrealistic. Thank you Steve for bringing these cases to light!
My takeaway is swatting is legal because qualified immunity is a thing and no charges will be filed if a cop barges into a house and executes a man playing video games. Reinforce your doors and arm yourself to the teeth so when the cops do a no-knock and burst in guns a-blazing, you can respond like our boy did in TX vs our dead boy in KA
@@JamieAllen1977 A similar swatting incident happened in TX (not over a video game but if memory serves me well, the caller personally knew the target). This time the homeowner shot the CHIEF 5 times. Chief survived, but only because he borrowed a vest from a deputy on-scene right before they bursted in (happened at night). Homeowner faced no charges. That's the jist of it. A much better result than our KA friend, unfortunately.
There has never been a "legitimate" use for these spoof apps and marketing them as "pranks" has allowed not only SWATting calls but an anonymous path for scammers. Revenue generation at the expense of the public. I have seen this video and that cop was way too eager to shoot!
It is fair to say that cops nationwide have a strong "us" vs "them" attitude. Cops once were known as those "who serve, and protect". Is that a description of a time long past? If "we" are seen as threats to "them", we have a huge problem in that. Also, the concept of qualified immunity needs revised greatly. It is used to cover up behaviors often crossing into criminality.
Swatting had been a thing for more than a decade and yet police depts have done absolutely nothing to even review how they respond to such calls, let alone change procedures/training. Until they figure out they're not Navy Seals, they're going to have to get used to the general public failing to cooperate and lawsuits like this.
I’ve always thought we need some kind of universally taught procedure for Police to communicate intent to exert force vs voluntary contact. So Police are well known to pretend to be serious when they actually have no basis to order anyone to do anything. Mouthing off to the Police in defiance of that behavior is actually permissible. It’s dangerous. If we taught in school that police never bluff when they say “we have a warrant” or this is a “ contact” which unambiguously communicates noncompliance is not allowable, it could help.
They should have to get a degree, at least a two year degree…..preferably a bachelors, and yes, it should be universally the same. There also should be a registry of certification, much like teachers, so it can be revoked and they can never be a LEO again. It’s like that with teachers, and they don’t even have the power and the guns……the fact that it hasn’t happened already is ridiculous.
In "2017" SWATting may not have been as well known. Someone recently highlighted a clip of TimIRL 's Livestream saying that they had to go outside someone called in a bomb threat to disrupt the show. a 💲 commenter on the Livestream during the bomb threat also said that he was SWAT'd at the same time, he supposedly had ☠️ or taken his wife hostage. she answered the phone said she was fine. 👮 handcuffed him face down in his yard. It was cleared up when somebody from the police force recognized him from his live streams. SMH- Crazy people used to try and commit suicide by police action. Now they are attempting assault 🤕 & to end ☠️⚰️ others by SWATting them. ✌️
It's a sad irony that they overreact in situations where there is clearly no issue, but take over half an hour to enter a grade school where shots have already been fired.
Ben, thats a brilliant point, bravo!
Or 2 hours, 45 minutes at a Columbine high school.
to be fair, that almost feels like an apples to oranges argument, as different officers and different states/counties, so different rules/laws/requirements.......wont lie though, your statement really does make everyone question wtf are police doing these days
@@marks8062 I mean, it seems pretty obvious, standing around watching people get shot.
To be fair this guy was unarmed. The cops are real tough when confronted with an unarmed guy. Not so much when the guy is actually armed.
A firefighter shared that if you tell 911 your whole house is on fire, crews practically race each other to the scene because they so rarely get to fight fires.
There’s probably an element of that here… teams train for major situations that never happen, and when they finally get a call they overkill it on adrenaline instead of keeping their wits.
Well, if they can’t keep their wits, they are unfit, plain and simple.
have to justify the cost of all that military gear somehow...
Firefighters are all basically pyromaniacs, wanting to see a fire. As a fire alarm installer I have been on many sites, when the customer or worker sets off the alarm, and the central station screws up and dispatches the Fire Dept on a false call. You should see the disappointment in the crews faces when they don't see an actual fire, sometimes they actually start threatening people.
It would be well to remember that a lawsuit was waged by a department to not hire a guy because HE WAS TOO SMART. They won. It's also apparently illegal to hold police to professional standards.
There are no "wits" to loose. The PTB want hired muscle to enforce whatever rules they feel like passing. You can't have smart guys, they ask questions and cause problems.
Jobtown!
I'll never understand why this officer wasn't prosecuted, he was under the impression that it was a hostage situation, and he quickly shot the first person that came to the door without taking the time to determine if the person he was shooting was even armed or potentially a hostage rather than a suspect. The fact that they were there due to false information does not excuse shoddy policework that resulted in an unnecessary death.
Today’s police shoot first and ask questions later. They have been allowed to do it for years. It’s time to stop. My job is in the top ten dangerous jobs list. I just can’t shoot every time i get scared. I live in the real world.
This happened in my neighborhood. It's a middle class suburb. Going in guns ablazing wasn't warranted and they should of waited for the SWAT to actually arrive as they are the experts in this area.
The officer wasn't prosecuted because he's a cop.
They always hide behind "they followed procedure". But is the procedure lawful?
Andrew Finch was assassinated by an idiot of a police officer that sniped Andrew Finch from cover on the otherside of a five lane road before Andrew Finch was able to figure out wtf was going on, and that the commands being yelled out from a distance were directed at him.
There is a Netflix documentary series that covers this case. The cop was BEYOND guilty, as was the guy who did the swatting. Turns out the cop has a LONG history of excessive force, and he gets away with it repeatedly.
Do you happen to know the name of the doc?
Name please
Karma will come for him or a member of his family.
Had to pull teeth to find it again.. Web Of Make Believe: Death, Lies, And The Internet
Great series!
I remember this, it was terrible. The guy was shot & killed on his front porch. If I recall correctly, there's body cam on this one.
Swatting is evil.
So is maximum force response. If police had ascertained the situation for five minutes instead of getting into a forward posture, this probably wouldn’t have happened. They unnecessarily exposed themselves to possible danger (if it had been a hostage situation). They’ve reduced their response options to shooting the supposed suspect but if the hung back a little they could have discovered the person represented no threat. It was the cops themselves that put themselves in this position.
@@MarcosElMalo2 -- It's manifest that many police completely lack any sense of "Fire Discipline."
If the legal system won’t hold them accountable then maybe the family will
Cops are evil.
"Swatting" is only as evil as the reasonably predictable police response in the respective jurisdiction.
Where police respond to effectively anonymous and uncorroborated complaints with appropriate discretion and restraint, swatting yields maybe a few wasted hours out of a few police officers' day, and at most 5 or 10 minutes' time from the intended victim. Irresponsible, sure. Maybe even anti-social. But hardly 'evil'.
If it goes beyond that, it does so only because the police escalated the situation beyond what is reasonably justifiable. They should bear the responsibility of that.
The video on this one was disgusting. They started yelling at the man on his porch and told him to walk towards them. As he started down his snow and ice-covered steps at night, he reasonably reached toward the handrail and they lit him up. It looked like the police were going to kill this man no matter what he did. The cops sounded super angry and the man looked super confused.
They love killin. In the Army I used to do some maintenance on a small arms range and the local police were allowed to use it for some reason. When the whole Afghanistan thing kicked off I remember some tacticool cop with his targets set up and 3 or 4 guns strapped to himself hopping around a target at point blank range and shooting at it. When me and the people I worked with got close enough for him to talk to us I remember him saying "You gonna go kill you some towel-heads?". I've never had anyone in the Army or the Marine Corps or anyone else in the military say any bullshit like that. Law enforcement attracts people on power trips who want to kill human beings for fun. When you become a cop, you know that you'll have almost anyone you come up against outgunned and you're legally allowed to run away like a bitch if things get too hot.
When you join the military, neither of those things are true. I think we could fix almost all of this if prior service was a requirement to become a cop.
@@htomerif there’s only one thing worse than a coward, a state backed coward in blue. These cowards don’t care about their community, it’s definitely the power trip. I’ve grown to absolutely despising this profession.
@@davidking2835 It sucks, right? Every single cop that I've run across who is remotely "good" at their job is prior service. In Iraq if you accidentally ran over someone's chicken, you had something like 10 times the cost of that chicken taken out of your pay. If a cop finds $10k in cash in your car, they steal it and the PD gets a new rec room.
I also find it disgusting that all these cops claim to be 2nd amendment advocates until something comes up that IIIA body armor won't stop. The biggest group that tried to stop us "civilians" from being able to own 5.7x28 firearms were the police. FN actually had to make a deal with them not to sell anything but hollow point to civilians to get it on the market.
What gets me is the entitlement. Cops feel entitled to be able kill civilians with impunity. People talk about special snowflakes. Cops are the specialest of special snowflakes.
Something's gotta change and it ain't gonna be fun.
@@htomerif I have always said that most cops are the people that couldn't make it through boot camp or just plain to chicken to even try. I watched a power tripping cop yell at a marine vet about how he has no clue at what it's like to operate in such a hostile environment like the "Suburbs" /SMH. Dude was literally talked about how everyone was a hostile, Marine looked him dead in the eyes and told he doesn't know shit about it tell a kid runs up on you strapped with a b o m b to his chest.
@@TdrSld Yeah. That's total bullshit on several levels. I remember as part of what I had to do involving radio infrastructure maintenance having to go to E. St. Louis. Most of the traffic lights didn't work, all of the stop signs had bullet holes in them, everyone was too afraid to be outside even during the day and there were no cops to be found. They just plain didn't go there.
On another level, all of us non-cops are held to the incredibly high standard of "ignorance of the law isn't a defense". We're expected to literally know and abide by every law in existence. Cops? Ignorance of the law just has another name: "qualified immunity". That seems a little ass-backwards to me.
I always love it when I see cops on all sides of a suspect pointing guns at each other. I remember once incident like that where there was one prior service cop running around just screaming at people that they would all die in the crossfire.
There used to be a lot of good blood between the military and police. Not anymore. Whenever things *actually* get hard or dangerous, they call us out to do their jobs for them. They can't handle logistics. They can't handle communications. They can't handle any kind of tactics.
Five years to even get permission to try to hold the shooter accountable.
And yelling different commands is 100% intentional. The cops know that they can then claim that the victim didn't follow commands, justifying whatever violence they wish to inflict.
That's what I was wondering. Like the police who executed Daniel Shaver yelling a series of Simon Says type commands.
I used to think shouting contradictory orders was a mistake, but now I know it’s a tactic.
EXACTLY. They are not all heroic little angels like MSM wants us to think 🙄
It always blows my mind that "department policy" could be used as an argument for immunity - just because something is policy doesn't make it infallible, nor does it mean officers can't bear responsibility for their own actions.
I think that IS the distinction, if the policy is something akin to "negligent to a reasonable person" the city/dpt would be liable (likely in addition to the officers liability). If the policies are considered reasonable, But if the officer acted unreasonably and/or outside the policies the officer alone would be responsible, and that's what has happened in this case.
It has always amazed me that law enforcement departments around the country do not apparently train their officers to identify who is in charge at the scene and allow that person to issue commands. Instead it seems that every cop decides they are in command and it is nothing but chaos.
Agreed. Policies are cited as if they are fundamental laws. It's ridiculous. This is why citizens of a municipality/County/State should be constantly diligent to investigate all policies of the regions where they reside for flaws/errors/inconsistencies and strive to have them reformed.
It can't be a defense for the individual officer. The policy fact is only relevant to whether the department can also be sued, what's known as Monell liability.
In a nutshell, the department was OK with one of their officers using a sniper rifle to kill an innocent man. No investigation, No observations, no time to comply. Just shoot the man through the chest within 10 seconds
The cop should have been prosecuted for murder and sentenced to prison.
what about the waste of life that made the false 911 call? he only got 20 years in prison. and the tax payers are the ones paying for his food and housing...
@@crazypete3759 It cost less than a dollar a day to feed prisoners. Plenty of animals eat better. Likewise the housing value provided to prisoners is well under a dollar a day as well. Your money is just lining private prison corporations' pockets. The value of labor performed by prisoners well exceeds the value of food/housing provided to them. Who profits from the slave labor, oh yeah, the private prison corporations...You are basically arguing slaves are a burden and expense to the owners because they cost food and housing. History says otherwise.
That won't happen with Marc Bennett as DA. His office has time and resources for political prosecutions, though.
@@crazypete3759 cop and authority shall and should be prosecuted at 10x the law and consequences and they should also live under the extreme iteration of every future law plan to be instated 5y in advance, so as individuals they can be informed on those new laws
Absolutely true. They could have shot him with anything else first before using deadly force. Pure murder.
Until they stop giving cops a pass on "perceived" threats this will continue to happen. If police are going to take someone's life the threat needs to be real and imminent. No more "I feared for my life" or "I thought I saw a weapon" nonsense.
Exactly. Police need to be culpable of their actions and held accountable especially in situations like this where they had every advantage over the suspect
If the past few years have shown us anything, its that cops have almost criminal discretion in NOT dealing with threats.
They have no obligation to, and only do so when it suits them.
Disagree. I think police should be held to the same standards as citizens - fearing for life , truly, is a justifiable use of force
The only problem with that is that sometimes it isn't nonsense and cops get killed.
You are now considered “hostile to law enforcement” for that comment. 😆
Originally the cop who shot him was let go. Then the union got him his job back. Then he was promoted to detective. My question is this... how many officers were on scene and why was he ( Justin Rapp ) the only one that discharged their weapon?
I would think rehiring then promoting the officer that opened fire shows the department ultimately supported his action. Ok maybe being forced to re-hire him they were stuck but the promotion shows the department felt his job performance was worthy of a promotion.
Because they only needed one cop to murder him. The other cops were there to make sure the cops lies were consistent so that they could justify it. Have you not been paying attention??? /s
Probably got promoted so he would be in less trigger-happy situations.
@@theyaden the police union got him his job back and got him promoted
Detective isn’t a position you get promoted to. It’s simply a job that has nothing to do with rank. It’s like saying an infantryman got promoted to truck driver. They are simply different jobs in an organization.
as long as police are taught to escalate situations this will continue to happen
Give the cops a taste of their own medicine until they change their behavior.
Yeah.. police should be defunded and we can start dealing out some street justice. I'm game.
"We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" SHOCKING!!!
they need this trial to go forward... there needs to be civil liability against the cop, because a wrongful death occurred with circumstances way beyond the control of the home owners (and now dead guy) ... so there needs to be accountability. Also, police departments need to start enforcing charges against people who make false reports. For example, a guy was serving in traffic, driving aggressively, cutting people off ... I was driving in (military) uniform, got up alongside him, yelled at him to stop... he didn't, and exited the highway a mile or so up the road... 10 minutes later, 2 state troopers were behind me pulling me over. The one told me to exit the vehicle, saw me in uniform, and relaxed. He asked if I had any weapons in the vehicle, I said "no - you can check if you want" ... he then asked "so you didn't point a black handgun at a gentleman a few miles back?" I said "no", asked if it was an asian kid in a white lexus, and told him about the gentleman's erratic driving.
So basically, this dickhead tried to "swat" me on the roadway. The troopers were very cool about it. I asked if they were going to pursue it, and they said "no, we run into this several times a week, actually" ... SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK. People call in trying to "punish" someone they don't like by making a very serious false police report. This will continue until police seriously prosecute those who think it is ok to lie.
Shouting different commands is not an accident. Its a tactic, they train to do it and celebrate the outcomes.
Absolutely 💯
Yep
Yea I’d like to see proof of this stupid comment my grand dad and 3 uncles all work for the police department and this comment made the roll over laughing
@@dezertdime1072 there is a video where all the cops shout different command and the guy don't know what to follow so he was going around in circles, just TH-cam it
@@dezertdime1072 then your grand dad and uncles are bullshitting you.
Employers are liable for the actions of their employees when they are doing their jobs. The government can't claim they aren't liable as long as he was doing his job when the incident happened. Saying it wasn't policy to shoot the victim just prevents them from being *criminally* liable.
While I agree with you in theory, good luck getting the local, state, or federal governments from bothering to hold themselves to this standard at any point.
Hello we are from the government and we are here to help you. If you believe that then you deserve what you get.
@@rispatha well, there are tons of ppl who support & love the police but don't like the gov't. Makes no sense to me, but they would open the door.
The government loves giving themselves special rights & basically being above the law.
For example, If you steal someones money you can be charged with theft but if the government steals your money, it's not called theft its called civil asset forfeiture.
I bet this would play out differently if this cop was instead a citizen in a similar position. They would likely get charged with something.
The problem is they said he DIDN'T violate any policies, which implies it is policy to shoot him in that situation.
When it happens to a police officer's or politician's family Things will change. Otherwise I doubt anything will actually change.
That won’t happen. Those people all look out for each other.
@wnc817 Actually, WE got the guns. ; )
Doubt it! A mayor in a nearby town was attacked by police who shot their dogs in front of them for barking and pointed their guns at the mayor, his wife and kids while they held them on the sofa in handcuffs. He made a big stink about it later, but suddenly not a word and it went away!
My ex-wife had this done to me when we were going through the divorce in 2015. She almost got me killed. I never got an apology from the local law enforcement either for being thrown to the ground at gun point and handcuffed while my neighbor's watched. Of course, her being a woman nothing happened to her.
I’d like to know more of your story. While I would tread lightly on the gender issue considering current social climates, I can understand your trouble. I filed domestic violence charges against a former domestic partner whom I lived with but wasn’t married to and I was dismissed because I was (and still am) a male and didn’t show signs of domestic violence. I asked the officer who took the statement, point blank, “so I should have let her beat me?” and was told “yes”.
@@AdamGreenwell It is now more important than ever to highlight the "gender" issue. Courts disparagingly favor women in rulings and judgements. Government in general is largely deferential to the word of a woman and railroad an innocent man into near obscurity all with little to zero evidence or based purely on hearsay. I will refer you to the late Amber Heard case.
@@rucker69 You mean the case where everyone sided with Depp despite evidence suggesting a mutually abusive relationship? That's your go-to example for bias against men?
@@AdamGreenwell ,only SJW's have a problem with gender
Gender does not mean anything. Swat team came at my old roommates place (who's a woman) on some BS that made absolutely no sense. The cops were flat out lying about the reason they were there. This can happen to ANYONE so long as these creep police think they're above the law.
Swatting? It's almost as if violent police incompetence is common and predictable.
And that’s why people do it , they know the cops will go to overkill situation.
There should be a 10yr minimum sentence for anyone making that kind of call.
it seems you are one of very few people with common sense , the root of this evil was the person who made the false call , they should be held accountable for the murder because that was their intention when making the false call
This swatting is completely dangerous & is happening more & more often....
All the MORE reason that swat forces do not get to just go killing everyone they see on a call. YOU could be swatted at anytime by anyone. You see guns coming at you and everyone screaming commands and you have no idea what is going on, he did reach for something: His doorknob. When you're right at home and you're terrified, you run inside. He didn't even have anything on him. Police need to be held MORE accountable and at a HIGHER standard. I hope they take EVERYTHING from that cop, including his pension.
@@q.t.gamingfamily His pension should be covering his victim.
@@elinope4745 Completely agree but since his victim died, it should go to his wife and children. He had no reason to kill that man. If you watch the video, the man came outside, got terrified and tried to run back in the house and the officer killed him saying he saw him reach for something. He reached for the doorknob to run. That pig wasn't in fear of his life. He wanted a free kill and he thought he had one.
@@q.t.gamingfamily I agree but agree a whole lot more wholeheartedly if it goes to her AND his children. A wife/husband is someone special that you choose, but your children are an extension of you yourself and your family line.
what about the waste of life that made the false 911 call? he only got 20 years in prison. and the tax payers are the ones paying for his food and housing... These vermin should be eggsecuted!
There are so many other things that could be done besides just murdering someone. I know that the cop really wants to protect his life first but the guy who was just murdered would like to keep his life too. The cop deserves life in prison .
I think its pretty clear that if you value your life when dealing with a police officer at any point other then a doughnut shop, you should avoid that cop.
The cop in question was never in danger. He was shooting from across the street, from cover.
@@mahbriggs With automatic weapons and body armor.
Somebody needs to get these cops under control. They’re running wild and doing whatever they want.
David - Absolutely. Abolish qualified immunity ASAP.
They are officers of the peace, they are public servants and have no right to privacy during their public service. It should be clearly legal to dox police who committed atrocities in their service.
This sounds like attempted murder to me, and I should know the cop's name and address.
@Pol Pot 2024 What planet do you live on? You're more likely to get shot if you're armed and they see you as a serious threat.
@@stevejette2329 Well, certainly go by the "qualified" part. It isn't total immunity, though some courts seem to think so. A grievous error by the cops should remove immunity, even if it wasn't intentional.
@Pol Pot 2024 Well put. We'll see if Americans still deserve freedom pretty soon I'd say. Sadly I think these stunning and brave men and women and... well whatever would much rather lick boots and beg for scraps.
Unfortunately some police departments are looking for a reason to justify their huge expenditures for SWAT teams and equipment. So any call gets a massive response.
I have been swatted, one of the scariest experiences of my life.
The swat team hit the house nextdoor to mine once I was freaking out for days after.🇨🇦
Swatting is still a thing, Steve. It's used against independent media quite frequently, especially when they live stream their shows.
A lot of these are done automatically. Bad actors call or access services online, and a very human-sounding call is made to law enforcement about a murder-suicide (most common), or hostage situation, or even a bomb threat.
Tim Pool is a good example. He's been swatted at least five times this year, often while live streaming.
Tim Pool, Rekeita Law, The Quartering the list is long. All while live.
Rekeita says now the police look up his show. They say "We see you live"... when they call him now.
At some point, you would think these police might take a second and think "didn't we go to this guy's house 8 times already and find absolutely nothing? Should we be following these anonymous tips so ferociously?"
@Pez
It's called gatekeeping.
The cops have dropped the "S" from SWAT. There's no longer anything special about this crap. To justify the expense of these gangs the PDs have begun deploying these clowns for all kinds of run of mill circumstances like simply serving warrants. My two cents.
I'm starting to think the A and the T are redundant too.
They replaced the S with another T.
@@the_once-and-future_king. twatical unit.
oh no they're special, just the other kind of special
Well, that simply serving warrants doesn’t always go well, i.e., Kentucky last week.
I'm glad the guy who called got 20 years, but I feel like there needs to be more justice for the family of the man who died. The officer acted on his own, without using common sense or logic, and someone died. He should have to do time for that unnecessary death, plain and simple.
The callers in a SWATting incident should be charged with (2nd degree, minimum) homicide!
Because of the danger of the excessive force that is always used in these swatting situations, the caller should be charged with attempted homicide at a minimum.
If convicted they also have to pay the cost of sending them out.
@@july8xx Regardless of outcome they should get an attempted murder charge for everyone inside the dwelling, even if the police know its bogus.
While I agree with you its sad that it has come to having a good chance that the police will murder you over a phone call
You give very good presentations. After watching a few I have finally subscribed. The fact that you are a lawyer and can give us the laws etc. and explaining them clearly adds to the videos.
He should be sued and yes, the officers are ALSO responsible. They should NOT just come blazing guns on sight. They KNOW FOR A FACT that there are swatting incidents and should NOT just start shooting folks.
Go after the police unions/associations. Stop making taxpayers cover payments by cities - go after the retirement funds. THEN every cop actually has liability with each other.
@@ollietsb1704 You've said nothing but facts. Thank you for adding that because yes, I agree with you as well.
This case was the first publicized "SWATting" so they couldn't exactly be aware of something that wasn't readily known before then.
@@danielseelye6005 this was not the first.
@@Fred-mv8fx This case in Wichita that Steve is talking about is the first that was publicized and gave birth to the term.
This isn't any different that someone placing a call to me telling me that someone is outside my house doing something bad with a gun. If I come running out and shoot the first person I see within seconds and it turns out they had no gun and weren't threatening me, guess what - I'm being charged with murder or some form of manslaughter.
It should be no different for this police officer who presumably has had quite a bit of training and should know how to look for a firearm and discern the difference between someone standing there and someone acting in a threatening fashion.
Our troops overseas have more restrictive rules of engagement than most police.
"I feared for my safety."=Get out of jail free card.
Cops used that to put sixty holes in an unarmed black guy in Akron, Ohio.
If you fear for your safety, get a different job
When they make it impossible to use the courts to resolve things in a legal manner ...
FTP
they are cowards.
@@UncleKennysPlace
he did shoot at them before he was unarmed.
And that nonsense when multiple police are on the scene and shout conflicting orders at a suspect needs to stop. Complete lack of discipline leading a suspect to have no idea what is expected. One officer gives commands, makes decision, the others stay silent.
I was going to say exactly that. There should be exactly ONE officer responsible for issuing "commands" to suspects. Also, commands should ALWAYS start with, "stand still - don't move". I don't care if the guy has one hand down his pants and the other behind his back. If he STAYS that way, he isn't a threat. Once you have a stable starting point, you can worry about getting his hands into plain sight and take it from there.
@@briant7265 Once came across a video of an armed response unit apprehending two potentially armed suspects in a meth lab or something in UK - calm, professional, one person giving orders, tight coordinated action - ready to kill if needed and clearly determined to do their best to make sure it wasn't needed. They even had a dog on scene who was the same - quiet, alertly relaxed, waiting for a signal. Everyone was very obviously keyed to the leader, the leader was the only person who spoke as soon as the op started.
Easy to say and works great in theory but actual application its a mixed bag. Just look at Uvalde. There was a senior officer in charge and he screwed up. Or what happens if the officer in charge hasn't arrived on scene yet, are the officers, who are on-scene, supposed to just stand around doing nothing?
@@jormugand5578 Chains of command, and people who are in command are competent - it isn't rocket science, police departments and militaries and sports teams and other cooperative groups the world over do it all the time. I guess that word "cooperative" is the rub, though - too much like obscene words like "collective" and "socialist". You know, where each person is thinking of what the group needs instead of what weight they want to throw around.
I was trained to have only one officer shout the commands and everyone else shuts up except to give sitreps from their POV.
This same cop got a promotion this month!! Sad sad society we live in
If swatting is known to be as common as it is, and police departments haven’t amended their processes to account for this, they should be liable.
Just like the crap we see happening to Tim Pool.
Yea with Tim it was 8 or 9 times. You would think they would just roll a squad car at most, maybe even just a quick phone call. No chance I would let them in my house after #2.
Good. Dude just answered the door to his own house. That's it.
If the cops knock at your door don't answer the door. Let the cops break in if they can they will within minutes.
Has law enforcement not realised that swatting would not exist if the cops did not totally overreact to a phone call.
Cops know that most swatting calls are false but they’re gagging for a free kill and know they’ll get away with it.
End qualified immunity and make police actually investigate crimes instead of just following every "tip" they receive.
I completely support investigating, police seem to have the mindset that they can arrest anyone with even just a hint of suspicion and the courts will do the investigation for them. The part they don't seem to care about is that by the time they've arrested someone, they've already had a significant negative impact so, while they may be proven innocent in court they've already been fired from their jobs, potentially been evicted from their housing, have an arrest record, and are now out several thousand dollars for bond and an attorney.
@@Hostilegeese I can definitely attest to that from personal experience.
@@danielvest9602 bro, while I agree with your sentiments, you might want to re-word "investigate crimes instead of just following every "tip" they receive"; since following tips is HOW you investigate.
@@Max_R_MaMint Investigating would imply deducing the reliability of information and assessment of the situation. We're they aware of who was in the house? If it was a hostage situation, would they have shot a hostage escaping from the situation? Why would a hostage holding criminal exit the building without a hostage? This was complete incompetence coupled with adrenaline overload.
qualified immunity simply makes the Police above the law. End it now. Everyone should be equal under the Law.
This is still happening a lot, TH-camr Tim Pool has been swatted at least 9 times just this year. Another TH-camr who goes by the "The Quartering" was recently swatted and the cops had him and his wife outside and on the ground with guns pointed at them. Another TH-cam lawyer Nick Rekieta has also been swatted a couple of times, most recently he had "The Quartering" on the night after TQ was swatted, during that live stream both of them were again swatted. This is honestly getting seriously out of control. The guys have all let there local police departments know what they do for a living and to have them call to make sure there's not an issue before something likes this happens to one of them.
I was just going to comment the same thing
"Tim Pool has been swatted at least 9️⃣ times just this year." So Tim's local police are a little slow .
@@RobertSmith-lg7jp hardly, easy to mask actual call number is from, Feds involved at this point.
@@plunger110 Rethink your position and watch the video. If swat shows up to the address and there's no sign of what the masked caller described happening...just...crickets...then they should proceed with restraint. Your desire for it to be okay for police/swat to continue to proceed with everything cranked up to 10, knowing that the caller may very well be masked and lying, is horrible.
@@plunger110 9 times in one year to the same address and every time it's a hoax? Nah dude. That's a fucking stupid police force.
This still happens on a regular basis. I watch a TH-camr named Tim pool. He has been swated 9 times this year. They still have not found the swatters.
Swatting is wrong. So is little Timmy.
Holidays and weekends without tim are a little boring.
Swatters are getting smarter rooting calls thru torr browsers and other encryption methods
@@krismckasson who's little timmy
@@krismckasson What is Tim wrong about? i doubt you ever listened to his podcast
Someone died so expecting dismissal is outrageous and immoral
It ould be interesting if this would go to the Supreme Court, just to see if they would strike down the qualified immunity doctrine.
With the current makeup? Good luck, they are more likely to give absolute immunity, like they did with Border Patrol
Nah, they already upheld a qualified immunity decision last term.
Are you kidding? They would codify Blanket Immunity, and then say that the cops can sue the families of their victims for trying to make them look bad.
@@jonathanaliff6121 IN light of the Roe vs Wade decision removing "court constructed" rights and the Bruen decision making a more strict analysis of constitutional/unconstitutional ruling they might be looking a a different argument then not too long ago.
@@robrobinson8597 possible. I don't know the particulars of their ruling last year, but unless a very compelling case is brought before them, these justices seem very similar to the ones that created the doctrine in the first place. Thomas, in particular.
Your bit at the end is exactly why the city should be liable. Sure, it's mostly on the guy who made the false call, but police must have protocols and training in effect to protect the public from themselves being whipped into a frenzy any time a prankster decides to lie to them. The fact that police are known to uncritically react this way is why these events happen, and that's on the city/department.
Regardless, the judge made the absolute right call that the reasonable perception of threat is a question of fact, and should be determined by the jury, not in summary judgement.
The "I thought I saw him reach for something" defense needs to go the way of the dodo bird. With that defense a person could be reaching for his ID to satisfy the demand of a cop that he ID himself and get blown away. The cops need to prove someone was reaching for a weapon whenever they claim the "reaching for something" defense. They need to prove it to the same standard of a criminal charge. Beyond a reasonable doubt. As it is now, they have permission to kill and ask questions later, if at all.
It should be noted that the caller, Tyler Bariss, got 20 years in federal prison. He was convicted on 51 charges for this and other incidents. He had a history of this type of behavior and actually was known to brag about other swatting incidents. He was recruited by a teen named Casey Viner of Ohio to swat Shane Gaskill of Wichita over a $1.50 bet on a online video game. Yes, one dollar and fifty cents. Gaskill found out that he had been targeted and dared Bariss to swat him. He went so far as to give him his old Wichita address which was then the home of the victim. Viner was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison and two years of probation during which he is barred from online gaming. Gaskill struck a deal for deferred prosecution with conditions that he had to meet by 12/31/2021, otherwise he would face trial and up to 60 years in prison. He ended up pleading guilty to one count of wire fraud last month, so he obviously did not meet the conditions of his deferred prosecution. He faces up to 20 years in federal prison and will be sentenced this month
The cop, Justin Rapp, actually sued Wichita for $31,000 in lost wages because he was barred from a moonlighting job while he was on PAID administrative leave while the shooting was being investigated. A judge with his brain screwed on right dismissed the case. He was then PROMOTED to detective after being predictably cleared by IA and having the DA sign off of any prosecution. So, the only cop among a sea of cops shoots a man because he perceived a threat that no other cop perceived. His reward for his faulty judgement is a promotion and the pay increase that goes with it. Go figure.
Family should sue the shit out of the swatters in civil court too. "Oh, you still own anything? Not anymore."
Relieving the swatters of all their worldly goods and freedom might send the message out.
Cop still fucked up tho. Not sure how that should be handled.
there's a lot of bad stuff going on here
So, hang on. I'm not sure I understand this correctly. Shane Gaskill was the guy they were trying to swat, and he gave them a false address (his old address, specifically) after egging them on. Because of that, he's considered to be complicit and faces as much time as the guy who actually called in the swatting? I can certainly understand punishing him for egging the guys on, but I'm a bit confused as to why the sentence could be equivalent to the guy who actually made the call. Especially when Gaskill was intended to be the victim.
"With that defense a person could be reaching for his ID to satisfy the demand of a cop that he ID himself and get blown away." Yea, that has 100% for sure happened at least once (probably many other instances we don't know about). Philando Castile. July 6, 2016. So that's exactly 5 years ago today. Got pulled over for a supposed traffic violation. Had his partner and young child in the vehicle with him. Officer asked if there were any weapons. Yes, he had a legal weapon in his car. Officer asked for ID. Mr. Castile tried to retrieve his ID from his back pocket (where most men keep their ID). Shot him FIVE times in the chest for following commands. He actually fired SEVEN rounds in close range, but only five of them actually hit the intended target (which, like... wtf... it was very close range, lucky he didn't shoot the kid too). Right next to his partner and their young child in the back seat. Yanez was somehow acquitted of all charges. Castile's family settled a lawsuit (against the city, not the officer himself... so tax payer dollars paid this out) out of court for $3.8 million.
There was a time in NYC that cops carried "throw-down pieces": unrecorded firearms that could be placed on the body of some poor unarmed sod they shot because they knew they'd be in deep, deep shit if they were _found_ to have shot a poor unarmed sod.
Eliminate qualified immunity and ALL of this goes away.
"I thought he was reaching for a gun."
"Oh, well..."
If the DA didn't prosecute because the cop was following policy, how can the police department not be culpable?
Ben really likes the rear of the stock car.
7:00 - So if I call 911 and report "Godzilla stepping on buildings", these cops would show up expecting to see a 200-foot tall lizard???
More of this needs to happen. Cops can't kill innocent people with impunity. People won't respect law enforcement until they begin to be held accountable for their misdeeds. Law enforcement doesn't even try to stop these SWATTing events, they just treat them like training exercises. It's disgusting.
Sorry, qualified immunity absolutely allows cops to kill innocent people so long as they follow the specific internal polices (i.e. made-up rules, not actual law). As long as qualified immunity exists, this will keep happening. Don’t like it? Stop electing people who take political contributions from police unions.
So tired of this country’s judicial system. Guy should have got lifetime hard labor, 12 hrs a day 6 days a week, only rice and beans to eat for the rest of his natural life. 20 years ain’t nothing for a outright murder.
Cops should not have immunity of any kind.
without some type of immunity they wouldn't be able to brandish their weapons or commit assault by aiming them at people when no justification for deadly force has presented itself.
this would subject them to the same rules for deadly force as civilians and would likely cause them to just flee as they have no duty to protect anyone.
@@CheZfrmdaWestWisc Wow, sounds like the Uvalde crowd.
I saw the video. Even if you give the officer the benefit of a doubt and consider that he believed he was going to a hostage situation. The officer was behind cover and concealment when he was giving the victim orders. The officer didn't know if the man standing outside was the actual person that took the hostages or a hostage. Many times the criminal will have the hostage go outside and tell the cops everything is fine. The criminal has their loved one at gunpoint so they trust that the hostage won't alert the cops. If the criminal goes outside then the hostages are left alone and can escape. The victim didn't look like he was reaching for anything. The victim was confused why so many cops were outside. The cop was the only one that shot him. None of the other cops opened fire. The other cops didn't see any threat.
I am thrilled to hear this news. Ironically, I saw a 1 hour documentary about this exact event on Netflix last night. The show is called "Web of Make Believe" It is infuriating to watch. You can see this event on video. This cop was a total asshole. Trigger happy shithead. Dozens of cops waited for the guy to move out wiht his hands up. This chicken shit cop, Justin Rapp, just shot him in seconds. Nothing happened to him. You know, you acknowledge that policing is a risky job whether you are in Detroit or Smallville Junction. So we pay these folks a premium, let them retire early, and give them great benefits in consider of this risk. But the cops have flipped the risk to the public, particularly in light of the indemnity they are given. So cops shoot first and ask questions later and if they are wrong, oh well. One cop was told that a black driver had a carry permit and was carrying and the driver was told to show his license as soon as he reached for his license, he was blown away. COps face no consequences for their horrificly bad judgemnt so they shift the risk that is supposed to be theirs to us. Catch this story on Netflix. Your blood will boil.
Sorry, but statistically speaking policing isn't a dangerous job. Infact, it not in the top 10 most dangerous jobs....it's number 22 according to OSHA. Hell, being a garbageman or a landscaper is way more dangerous. I think we should take officer friendly and swap his pay with the garbageman...... after all, it's more dangerous.
Steve, How can the city not be at fault when they failed to verify the call location. Law enforcement could have checked the call and figured out it came from out of state. Or is it that this is not their responsibility?
Love the content.
There are ways to spoof numbers and locations
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@@atranimecs man ain't that right ,every unkown call i return is "number not working , number disconnected or some poor schmuck who has got no clue why i'm returning a call from his number...
If you can't prove the tip meaning it is a spoof number or whatever. Don't follow up on it.
That's a big ask. I moved to VA 11 years ago. I still a have a Myrtle Beach SC number. I'd be kinda pissed if no one showed up when I called.
@@jonathanaliff6121 I moved 4 years ago. One of the 1st things I did was update my address with the cell company. It's such an easy fix.
If the jury rules against the officer in the civil suit trial, would the city pay the judgment or would only the officer pay? Since the appeals court ruled that the city could not be sued, would the city still be allowed to participate in the suit by paying for the officer's defense? Often, the police union's contract with the city has the city defending an officer when the officer is on duty and charged.
This is not the first incident that I’ve heard of or saw a video in which a multitude of officers are screaming out orders. Quite often the commands are contradictory or make it so that one officers voice is drowning out drowning out another’s. This is a fundamental lack of training and/or departmental policy. It should be the first officer on the scene, unless an on-scene commander has been established. He/she is the only one who should be speaking. One officer and only one officer should be giving the instructions. All the rest should follow the lead.
Did any of the other officers present on the scene see him reach for anything? Why didnt they draw their weapons and shoot? If we got rid of qualified immunity, do you think these "accidents" would still happen as often?
Well the other cops probably also had their weapons drawn and leveled if the guy was receiving conflicting orders. Also because of the kind of people who are most attracted to the idea of having power over others, yes, this will still happen.
I view that as similar to the whole "There are no good cops as long as the bad cops aren't held accountable"
Yes, they would. qualified immunity only protects them from CIVIL LAWSUITS. The answer is legislation to get cops fired who commit any kind of misconduct. The only thing cops really care about is their job and their pension.
Ben is still leaning on the back of the 300 stock car
what happened to cops doing actual investigations before doing such actions...
militarization and IQ caps.
Proceed with caution comes to mind. It’s amazing the lack of thinking that goes on in general. Cops already have a heavily tarnished name, one would think they would be doing everything in their power to turn that around.
They obviously don't care.
Power corrupts and qualified immunity corrupts absolutely
All the good cops quit or retired early during the 2020 riots across the nations. I think one location the officers even had a day or week where they did a no show until they were done being theatened by their local politicians. The defund police thing also made things worse too. So if you thought cops were bad before you had really better pray to god you dont bump into the remaining bad cops who stayed because they will do anything for a paycheck.
But why though? Its working swimmingly for them and has since long before my parents were born.
We just hear more about it now.
Please remember that in that situation, all the officers knew is what the caller told them - that he was inside the house with a gun and had killed or intended to kill two others in the house. Cops thought they were walking into a crazed gunman situation. Does not excuse the officer’s actions once on scene, but if that had been true and there were two victims inside, it would have everyone talking about the victim in this case like we talk about active shooters.
The fact that it's so easy to get the cops to respond with gross levels of violence should be rather telling.
I got beat up by 3 cops once.
I have no criminal record, no charges were ever filed or considered, but I did get a trip to the hospital.
*Edit* I guess I have 2 or 3 speeding tickets, so I am actually a verified criminal, thanks to a different officer trying to bump up my ticket.
GOOD. It's time to end immunity. Even if he's found not liable, it's long past time to hold cops accountable and have our day in court vs their actions.
They need to start going after every person who swats, hard. Make examples of every one. This is no different than hiring someone to murder.
Police playing 'Simon Says' in order to get a 'kill' is sickening and needs to stop.
Police need one voice giving commands when someone is at gunpoint.
Not 'police' but an individual that is an officer. There is a difference.
Just like they do in the military. They do NOT get to just shoot just to shoot. They would be put in the brig. That is a great idea.
@@b_uppy Having each individual officer yelling commands without coordination is dangerous policy. The fact that conflicting commands are coming from individual officers (plural) is the problem. Maybe this is a failure of content of training, or of following training. If officers don't have the judgement and self-control to let a single officer on the scene give all commands, the officers shouldn't be armed.
@@johnkolassa1645
That's different than the argument I'm responding to. Officers need to be armed. They need to follow screening advice on hiring, too...
@@b_uppy Maybe they need better screening. I'm not confident that this will fix things, because they'll be screened by more senior officers currently exhibiting dysfunctional behavior. They probably need better pay, to attract a higher quality of applicant. In my opinion, what's really needed is better evaluation. This problem of multiple LEOs screaming conflicting orders comes up repeatedly. Some supervisor needs to evaluate body cam footage from every use of force incident, and needs to call behaviors that escalate problems for correction. Guns out and contradictory commands? "I'm sorry officer, but I'd like your gun and badge. You're in the wrong job". And lack of previous discipline for dysfunctional behavior ought to put the city on the hook for damages in future incidents.
We really should re-introduce "burning at the stake" as punishment for swatters.
When I worked as a deputy, we’re trained that one deputy and only one would be designated on site to issue commands or the first on site. Reduces confusion and misunderstandings. What is sad is that officer probably doesn’t have much or much money. So even if he is found guilty, the family won’t be compensated much if at all. No matter what, there is no REAL way to compensate for the loss of a life.
The lawsuit is more about holding the officer accountable than compensating the victim's family. He wasn't prosecuted, so a lawsuit is the only way to stop him from walking away with zero consequences.
End all qualified immunity and judicial immunity
Swatting is a big problem right now. There’s been times that TH-camrs are streaming live videos and the police kick in their doors because somebody swatted them.
Yeah, cops need to be held accountable. Like the cops invading Tim Pool's house during his live show under the pretense of exigent circumstances while agreeing that it is probably a swatting.
@@Fred-mv8fx Which has happened NINE times now. The "complaint" for the last occurrence came from an anonymous TEXT, and they still came in like idiots.
@@stevef68 the guy from The Quartering has had the same thing happen. I think it’s happened twice now. I don’t think they kicked in his door though. I know he walked outside at least once. They cuffed him and put him in a patrol car.
Thank you for talking common sense. Police should be accountable to do basic due diligence.
Yeah, swatting had become a thing in the gamer community. Sometimes it's an argument over a game. Sometimes, it's a "prank." Why the law enforcement community didn't start doing something due to the risk of someone getting killed infuriates me. It still happens, unfortunately. Sometimes you see it while someone is streaming so there are a ton of witnesses potentially around the world watching something unfold.
IT SHOULD BE LAWSUITS FOR ALL POLICE GIVEN DIFFERENT ORDERS !!!
you know what could stop all these swatting incidents? the police calling the home first before going in the house, i can bet it would confirm a swatting, then they could go in safely and check up on the residence in the house, it's not rocket science
Are you that dense?
And when its real? and the police calling killed hostages? great idea?
@chuck 8094 back in my childhood it was still kind of common, its hard to remember were stupid now.
KPIG sticker noted...great radio station.
I can't stand it when a cop uses excuses like "I feared for my life" or "I thought I saw a gun" and gets off. As a cop, it's his job to react correctly in tense situations. Cops do this all over the country every single day. Why would he get a pass on shooting an unarmed man? As to "I feared my life", that's a good excuse for a civilian. You signed up for the job knowing you would be in dangerous situations. Cops can't let fear rule them. Any time a cop uses an alibi of that sort my first instinct is to cry BS.
Law enforcement needs to be held accountable
It's real easy to see someone "reaching for something" when that's what you want to see.
When your ONLY tool is a gun, EVERY problem looks like a target.
To say the municipality is not responsible is wrong. Their policy that the cop was said to not violate is what got an innocent man killed.
Other TH-camrs have been swatted: Tim Pool and the guy from The Quartering. Tim has been swatted multiple times and the cops still come and check the full situation out, even though they have onsite security. This spoofing has to be addressed ASAP to reduce the risk to the person or innocent / uninvolved people getting swatted.
I like the golden play button plaque under the beware low flying owls sign on your right side. Congrats on that. Takes a lot of quality stuff to get that.
Well why not make all swat teams get a knock warrant to question this man.
It happened to Bannon YESTERDAY, live on the air. So it didn't just used to happen.
Pretty sure it´s still happening(The swatting). It have been happening to several streamers in politics lately.
The suggestion of police departments and the general public to start using some common sense by responding adequately to these types of incidents is highly unrealistic. Thank you Steve for bringing these cases to light!
My takeaway is swatting is legal because qualified immunity is a thing and no charges will be filed if a cop barges into a house and executes a man playing video games. Reinforce your doors and arm yourself to the teeth so when the cops do a no-knock and burst in guns a-blazing, you can respond like our boy did in TX vs our dead boy in KA
Can I tell what happened in TX ?
What about the texas incident?talk about leaving us one a cliff.
yep the only way the cops are going to learn that what they are doing is wrong is when they start leaving scenes in body bags
@@JamieAllen1977 A similar swatting incident happened in TX (not over a video game but if memory serves me well, the caller personally knew the target). This time the homeowner shot the CHIEF 5 times. Chief survived, but only because he borrowed a vest from a deputy on-scene right before they bursted in (happened at night). Homeowner faced no charges. That's the jist of it. A much better result than our KA friend, unfortunately.
@@HollywoodHornet anything like a link ?
Someone could literally go on vacation in the Caribbean use a phone and swat someone's home.
I’ve watched this other channel that has been swatted 9 times this year alone. It still happens
Steve these still happen a lot. They try to swat them when they are streaming so they can see it online.
There has never been a "legitimate" use for these spoof apps and marketing them as "pranks" has allowed not only SWATting calls but an anonymous path for scammers. Revenue generation at the expense of the public.
I have seen this video and that cop was way too eager to shoot!
This cop asked for a free pass on killing an innocent man. Let that sink in.
*Remove qualified immunity*
He also got a big promotion after the incident let that sink in
It would be shocking if it weren't business as usual. But it is.
It is fair to say that cops nationwide have a strong "us" vs "them" attitude. Cops once were known as those "who serve, and protect". Is that a description of a time long past? If "we" are seen as threats to "them", we have a huge problem in that. Also, the concept of qualified immunity needs revised greatly. It is used to cover up behaviors often crossing into criminality.
Why not just send a regular patrol and have them call in the swat
Swatting had been a thing for more than a decade and yet police depts have done absolutely nothing to even review how they respond to such calls, let alone change procedures/training. Until they figure out they're not Navy Seals, they're going to have to get used to the general public failing to cooperate and lawsuits like this.
Navy Seals would use better judgement.
@@batboy555 Amen
Demilitarize the police and this won’t happen.
I’ve always thought we need some kind of universally taught procedure for Police to communicate intent to exert force vs voluntary contact. So Police are well known to pretend to be serious when they actually have no basis to order anyone to do anything. Mouthing off to the Police in defiance of that behavior is actually permissible. It’s dangerous. If we taught in school that police never bluff when they say “we have a warrant” or this is a “ contact” which unambiguously communicates noncompliance is not allowable, it could help.
They should have to get a degree, at least a two year degree…..preferably a bachelors, and yes, it should be universally the same. There also should be a registry of certification, much like teachers, so it can be revoked and they can never be a LEO again. It’s like that with teachers, and they don’t even have the power and the guns……the fact that it hasn’t happened already is ridiculous.
There's also a story going around that this police officer was just promoted to a detective position. Itchy trigger finger gets cops promoted.
Hopefully the family gets that fat paycheck.
In "2017" SWATting may not have been as well known.
Someone recently highlighted a clip of TimIRL 's Livestream saying that they had to go outside someone called in a bomb threat to disrupt the show.
a 💲 commenter on the Livestream during the bomb threat also said that he was SWAT'd at the same time, he supposedly had ☠️ or taken his wife hostage.
she answered the phone said she was fine.
👮 handcuffed him face down in his yard.
It was cleared up when somebody from the police force recognized him from his live streams.
SMH- Crazy people used to try and commit suicide by police action.
Now they are attempting assault 🤕 & to end ☠️⚰️ others by SWATting them.
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Timcast IRL was swatted 9 times this year
Good. End no knock warrants too.
SWAT needs abolished.