You do realize Goku never fought Vegeta in SSJ 3, right? They both fought in SSJ2, and Vegeta had the Majin Amp, so how was he stronger than Goku ? Goku was the reason for him taking the Majin Amp, so you wrong there. Also , why does the Vegeta fanboys assume he's stronger than Goku just because he was forced to use it 1st? It can just mean Goku wasn't pushed enough to use it and that in itself proves he's stronger in his SSJ 2 FORM
Again if you read what I stated , it took the Amp from to get him to goku lvl so without that he was in fact weaker because goku was holding back to save his feelings
Again, Vegeta stated he was mad at Goku for holding back, so how is he stronger? It came from his mouth when he was brought back to help fight kid buu!!! Goku even said he was sorry for that!!
Theory: If Vegeta being a kid stopped him from using the traditional SSJ3 with even longer hair, how did Gotenks use it if he's also a kid? Vegeta's SSJ3 is clearly some sort of mastered SSJ3 form
4:22 call bullshit on the vegeta strength here. Bibidi gave him his boost. Thanks for the vid, first I caught on this channel, hopefully daima gives a good reason for more!
@@Neeyaw For sure and while I love Vegeta - that power boost only got him equal to Goku. I think by and large if both had SSJ3 in that fight it would've ended the same way with a relative tie (barring Goku calling it off early for Buu and Vegeta knocking him out with his back turned). I will say, maybe if Vegeta had a bit more time with SSJ3 on earth he could have more stamina for it, though, so if the fight went on for a long time he'd win. Goku's largest limitation with SSJ3 is he only ever used it in otherworld prior to their fight which seemingly makes stamina concerns pretty null and void compared to on Earth.
Buu arc Vegeta felt like he could solo the whole tournament in base. Don’t sound like much until we consider Piccolo. I disagree with video saying Majin Vegeta was stronger than ss2 Goku. They’re pretty much dead even. If Vegeta scales that high, the final explosion prolly beats Fat Buu because we know that technique hits well above its weight class. So no, they were dead even as ss2. As ss3, Vegeta should have the edge strictly because his living body is more adapted to the strain whereas Goku has only trained his dead body with the transformation. Even Gotenks has the advantage of having a living body on top of being a fusion but even the boys wouldn’t have the physical endurance of Vegeta. Look at the ass whippin Vegeta took from Kid Buu lol really think it’s that simple.
2:43 “It had a lotta cost when using this form. Even with the immense strength, he could not finish Majin Buu before his energy reserves depleted.” Let the record state the prosecutor is referencing Fat Buu. That’s the record also state, the content creators statement is 100% false. SSJ3 Goku’s Massive Power Level.. heavily heavily heavily suppressed vs Fat Buu caused, not a Power nor Stamina drain in this moment. The SSJ3 Form Siphoned off the 24 hrs Goku had on Earth as told by Babba The Fortuneteller. Dwindled it down to a mere 30 mins. Goku could’ve killed Majin Buu “Fat Buu” at any time. But chose not to, only to buy time for Trunks to find the Dragon Ball Radar at Bulma’s house. Fighting to Buu to buy time versus fighting Buu to kill are 2 entirely different concepts. 1) SSJ3 Goku was Heavily Suppressed versus Fat Buu. 2) Despite being Heavily Suppressed, SSJ3 Goku’s Power Level was still so Massive, his Power Level could be felt from from Earth to The Planet of The Kai’s. 3) A Massively Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku completely dominated Fat Buu in their fight. 4) When versus Kid Buu, Goku revealed he could’ve easily killed Fat Buu much earlier. This gives credit to why a Massively Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku’s Power Level is weaker than both SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan Inner Potential Unlocked. All throughout The Buu Arc, Goku has been constantly suppressing (hiding) his true Strength. When Goku stops suppressing himself. He is The Strongest In The Universe. 5) Non of The Saiyans receive a Zenkai Boost in The Buu Arc. They either get Stronger due to training, or by way of magic. But they never get a Zenkai Boost. Zenkai Boosts still exist. However the reason why none of the Saiyans receive zero in The Buu Arc was explained by Goku in The Cell Arc. When talked about Saiyans reaching their limits. They have the ability to surpass their limits. But Saiyans still have limits. They just have to work extremely hard to reach those limits. Essentially, there are 3 states of being when it comes to the body. The State of Rest, The State of Recovery & The State of Growth. A Saiyan can only ever get a Zenkai Boost in 2 of these states. Recovery & Growth. A Saiyan will receive their highest Zenkai Boost in the State of Growth. In the State of Rest a Saiyan will never receive a Zenkai Boost. No matter the circumstances. Goku confidently spoke on this concept after emerging from The Hyperbolic Time Chamber. He further elaborated on the effectiveness of training properly in contrast to overtraining. Giving yourself the proper rest, will allow gives it time to become Stronger once it transitions into the states of growth & recovery. Goku told Vegeta Overtraining is Torture to the Saiyan body. Training in the way will not make The Saiyan Stronger. Only training properly will make the Saiyan Stronger, Tremendously so. Goku’s respected the concept of the state of rest the state of recovery and the state of growth. This is why Goku & Gohan became massively overwhelmingly and exceedingly stronger after the hyperbolic time chamber training. A Saiyan will receive a Zenkai Boost after surviving a near death experience.. only when their body is in the state of recovery & or the state of growth. A Saiyan will Never receive a Zenkai Boost when their body is in the state of rest. When a Saiyan has reached their utmost limit, their body is in the state of rest. This is especially Highlighted In Gohan versus Buutenks. Gohan is on the brink of death. Dendè quickly heals him. Buutenks then says this. “Your Power Level is back to normal. But you did not get any Stronger. How boring..” this takes place both in The DBZ Manga & DBZ KAI Anime. Despite the truth I just revealed. Many fans outright lie and state Gohan got Stronger when it is easily shown proven and stated that Gohan did not get Stronger.
Maybe I missed something but..when was Vegeta base ever stronger than Goku? Remember only reason Vegeta kept up with Goku in ssj2 was cuz of the Majin boost and u lost me when u said he a more experienced fighter than Goku when Vegeta didn’t even train til after he met Goku and Goku been training his whole life atp 🤦🏾♂️
He said Vegetas base in daima is stronger than Goku’s base in the buu saga. And yes, Vegeta is much more experienced than Goku, he was in the frieza army and comes from a planet where they conquer other planets for a living, he has only known fighting.
@@trickeruniverse1979 when was that said his base was stronger? Everytime I hear that shit it sounds dumb like in the Android saga..that makes no logical sense, Goku was dead 7yrs no sleep needed training 24/7 in other world and his base was surpassed by someone who needs sleep recovery and nobody to train with while Goku fought the strongest warriors who ever lived in heaven? Nah not buying it idc wtf Akita wrote 😂 Also call 🧢 on experience, Goku been training with gods since 13yrs old Vegeta just was born strong remember nobody was stronger than him except Friezas top guys..all saiyans did was battle and recover in a tank while Goku grandad was a fighting master along with Roshi and trained with the literal god of earth so miss me with that
Incorrect,vegeta was seen training w sis amen in the original bardock father of goku movie . Also whis even stated vegeta is more advanced in combat than goku , he just needed to cool his ego and be more patient. That strain is what kept him from surpassing goku . While goku is just naturally strong he has very bad habits like dropping his guard , or getting arrogant or too comfortable in fights .
@ bro Saiyan training is just getting your ass whooped and recover vs Goku martial arts training and that dropping his guard this is annoying cuz they overdid it in Super when he really was just too nice/naive not careless and stupid like Super shows. Tho the gods in DB are weak af they still taught techniques and very important lessons in martial arts
Bro it’s been so long!!! I’m so glad ur back! Loved the video we literally waited 20+ years for this moment, but listen I would really appreciate it if you made a video about how you think vegeta achieved the super saiyan 3 transformation I know bulma said because he trained really hard but come on there has to be more to it than that ,hope you consider it I hope you upload more often because this is my favorite channel out of all the ones you have besides Star Wars theory hope you consider it and happy new years!
Tbf Gohan's Ultimate form makes SSJ transformations pointless. It literally taps out all power from him, whatever is his theoretical max from a transformation and then some (excluding Beast, which seems like an evolved version of Ultimate)
I mean he didnt start training till after Mecha Frieza happened,like 30 years old+. He even said training is for low classes when he first met Goku Goku was training since he was a baby
You realize that goku has better ki control because he was able to get close to super sayian 2 in the cell games due to goku knew how to control his energy where Vegeta couldn’t come up with the idea on how to do till afterwards
I feel that the SSJ3 Goku we got is someone who hadn't yet mastered the form. That said, it stands to reason that he would master it post-buu. As far as energy control, please remember that it was Goku who came up with the Super Saiyan Full Power form. Vegeta even praised him for that and wished he had thought of that for the fight with Cell.
you can tell in the hairs color as well, like Gotenks Vegeta has found a way to stabalize it quite well, Gokus hair always had the gold sheen to it, making me feel like it was bleeding energy even without his aura active.
Cool video but Majin Vegeta wasn't equal at all to Ssj3 Goku, he was pretty much on par with Ssj2 Goku or a little stronger if you wanna see it like that, but that's just it
vegeta was able to watch goku and saw the drawbacks to ss3 and maybe was able to train to overcome much of the drawbacks. Also Vegeta was able to train with a living body while Goku trained in the after life. Goku wasn’t use to the form in his real body.
I feel like his form looks different is because Goku forced and strained thus form to come out. Vegeta seems to have learned how to draw out the power and also only transform as far as is needed.
People have to always have to remember! Vegeta said it himself! Only reason he was able to go toe to toe with Goku in the Buu saga was because he had that M stamped on his forehead!!!!!!!! That's the ONLY reason!!!!!! Vegeta even told Goku that he allowed him to think he had a chance to beat him!!!!
2:25 The reason why this is true is because Goku achieved Super Saiyan 3 while being dead. Hence the halo above his head. I’ve been saying it for years. Goku would’ve achieved SSJ3 even in the world of the living. Because Goku attained this transformation and was the creator of it. While being Dead. This gave him a massive advantage in the world of the living. However, after elder Kai gave his own life in exchange for Goku’s. This is the first time Goku experienced SSJ3 and a body that is alive. He never attain the form while he had a living body he did cell with a dead body. So the differences on sustaining and maintaining SSJ3 with a body that is alive is far more damaging because it’s like the first time is ever transformed and not able to sustain it he’s not used to it all his training efforts were done for seven years with a dead body giving him a massive advantage. Now for the first time ever he’s experienced the SJ3 as a living body. And doing so will tax him because he prepared for this with a dead body. I said it 1 million times before and I’ll say it 1 million times more. If Goku had achieved SSJ3 while he was alive but he still chose to stay in other world. He would’ve had no weaknesses the weakness of the form came from Goku’s‘s instability while having a living body prior to experiencing the power as a dead body. Super Saiyan 3 has no weaknesses, when achieved in a living body for the very 1st time. Versus achieving SSJ3 in a dead body. Despite me saying this for years fans never believed it never wanted to except the truth. My personal opinion I believe that was just because they had something against Goku. They didn’t want Goku to be the strongest even though time and time again with everything that has come out beyond DBZ we have DBZ Kai super battle of gods and now DIAMA. Everything stating that Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. This is also referenced by many characters about Goku in The Buu Arc.
it is not about it having a weakness Even ssj was taxing on the body hence Goku never combined it with KK and while SSJ3 was easyer for Goku with a dead body he should by now have learnt to regulate the energy drain just like freeza did with his golden form however SSJ3 like SSJ2 is just a powered up Super Saiyan from it will always burn more energy than SSJ2 and SSJ2 will Always burn more power than SSJ they just need to learn to regulate the burn to minimize it.
I'm wondering if since his hair isn't as long, maybe he has his ss3 in control so it's like a base version of ss3 not draining as hard but also with less a ceiling of power.
3:46 “Fast forward to of course Super. And we see that Super Saiyan 3 has become somewhat outdated. Now by this point Goku’s base Power is Far Beyond what it was in The Buu Saga, but SSJ3’s drawbacks, high energy consumption and unsustainable strain, still hold it back.” Objection!!! Judge: Go ahead, I wanna hear what u have to say.. Me: thank you your honor. Let the record state Dragon Ball Theory’s initial statement & closing statement is completely false. It is entirely true that Goku became exponentially more powerful in Dragon Ball Super, than he ever was, in Z. Let the record also state Goku Fully Mastered Super Saiyan 3. Given Goku‘s exceptional ability to adapt to any situation. It is within my personal humble opinion Goku mastered the SSJ3 state in little to no more than one months time duration. Let the record state that super Saiyan three Goku never had any stamina issues when he fought Lord Beerus. The SSJ3 stem consumption issue is no more than a mere myth. Because Goku in a living body having fully trained and adapt with the powers and the strength of SSJ3 has no stamina issues has no “ki” energy leakage has no aura drain. Exhibit A, SSJ3 Goku versus Kid Buu. This is The 1st time ever Goku fought as an SSJ3 in a living body. It is also important to mention Goku was fighting a been far more powerful than himself yet he was able to make it look as if the fight was even. That part is twofold. Kid Buu was heavily suppressed and Nerfed simultaneously. On top of Goku‘s complementary fighting prowess fighting a being who is far more powerful than himself but making the fight look even. Regardless what time in moderation throughout the fight Kid Buu started elevating his power level. Providing proof that Goku was never going to be able to defeat him. Further proof is Goku specifically stating he needed not wanted he needed the fusion just to beat Kid Buu heavily surprised/NERFED Kid Buu, at that. Exhibit B, SSJ3 Goku vs A massively heavily suppressed Lord Beerus. This is Goku fighting as an SSJ3, in a living body. The benefits of training in SSJ3 as a living body far outweigh the benefits of training in SSJ3 in a dead body, hence the halo. It is a shame that nobody noticed Goku never had any stamina issues versus Lord Beerus. He should also be noted to the court that for some odd reason dragon ball super heavily underutilize is the SSJ3 form when it comes to Goku and they go out of their way to avoid it. So it’s more of an issue on the creators versus the character himself. What we say SSJ3 Kid Vegeta do in DB Daima, Goku did it 1st in Battle of Gods. And nobody noticed it. The stark difference is, SSJ3 Goku fought Lord Beerus.. whereas SSJ3 Kid Vegeta fought Tamagami 2. If Goku fight a mortal being, identical to the way Kid Vegeta did. He too, would’ve proved his immense superiority over his opponent. Judge: Wow, very impressive. I had no idea.. after all these years too. Me: thank you your honor for hearing me out. The defense, rests.
I think that it's difficult to gauge the comparatability of both Goku and Vegeta's SS3 forms, since we don't know how Majin Buu compares to Tamagami #2. It may be that Vegeta didn't have to expend alot of energy fighting a weaker opponent wheras Goku was facing a more formidable opponent in Buu.
When you said Vegeta entered ssj3 at a later stage thus he probably entered with higher base power and better control. However, Vegeta entered ssj2 at a later stage was weaker and needed majin power to obtain a more full powered ssj2.
Dude, you do realize that Goku hasn't stopped training since the Buu fight as well!?!?!?!? So how do you think Vegeta is stronger????? Also Goku had ssj3 first so I'm sure he has been working to master it better by now before Vegeta gets ssj3. Goju never stops training!!!!! SMDH. All these Vegeta fan boys living in a fantasy world!!!! No pun intended!!!!!!!!!!
In games. They show vegeta has the ki and goku is the physical one. They aren't that much different. Both forms are about the same. Vegeta having better ki or more ki is goin to have the better form. I want see both use the forms at the same time before any fusion in daima.
everyone is saying this but I think the Dragon Ball community is high and tripping balls off this ep. And it was hype, I get it. But there are some factors we need to account for. 1. SSJ3 isn't outputting the same amount of energy because all the Z Fighters base form has been nerfed by the wish. 2. The opponents the Z fighters are fighting are near peers to 6y/o Z fighters, not to Buu Arc Z fighters. Or you can try to explain why characters that can snap away planets are being troubled by wildlife even with SSJ3 in their back pocket. Vegeta out right said a few ep "we can't take that right now" 3. SSJ3 Vegeta Blitz the Temagami, the Temagami isn't even close to Kid buu even if it feels like that because of the nerfs to the z fighters. Even with it's stamina drain, the blitz was to dominate and to fast. Goku using SSJ3 in short burst like this didn't wear him out either, against fat buu he was already tired from a day of fighting and his time running out, against kid buu, kid buu was just stronger. 4. Vegeta testimony of SSJ3 post Daima is still Vegeta opinion, rather Daima exist or not. That means he thinks that it is a useless transformation that drains your stamina. The idea that he mastered it to the degree the community is suggesting and then goes on to never use it and says "Yeah it sucks" is nonsense. I will say this, I do think that between the end of Z and Battle of Gods that Vegeta does get the edge on Goku. In BoG, Vegeta puts up a better fight against Beerus than Goku did. But I don't think Goku is a Tamagami to Vegeta if they were to go at it SSJ3 vs SSJ3. Vegeta would be pressed and he couldn't just have his way with Goku like he could with the Tamagami. Some other nonsense claims like "SSJ3 Vegeta is stronger than SSJ4 Goku" and stuff I've seen going around is just, what are ya'll smoking
It’s all great assuming goku hasn’t mastered the form as well. He has more time to refine it plus during the majin vegeta fight he held back so his base power actually is higher than vegeta. Ontop of that he never stop training..I give the edge to goku but by a small margin
I have to disagree on that one : What about Goku's power in Daima, you keep comparing to Goku's power in Z...3 years prior. Nothing says that Goku didn't manage to fix the early drowbacks of the form. And while true that Goku has incredible flair in his fighting style, he is also a savy tactitian in the heat of a battle as demonstrated many times specially to long battles , I would even go further and say that Vegita is usually the one who wants to finish things quicky but only his ego makes him take longer in few instances as demonstraed in many of Z fights and even super. On the other hand glad you are a DB fan as well , the force is strong here too 😅.
We already saw Vegeta SSJ 3 in Super Dragon Ball Heroes and in the games Dragon Ball: Raging Blast, Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 and Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle 😅
I just have to say before the video ends, I don’t think vegeta is better at ssj3 than goku, clearly there’s gonna be some draw back for ssj3 vegeta seeing he never used it in super(ik it was thought of or whatever but they have to make it make sense to the story) so i think we will see vegeta struggle with ssj3 just like goku bc at first it looked like goku mastered the form too, it was really only a problem against kid buu, he said he could’ve ended fat buu but wanted to leave it the next generation, only when he ran into kid buu did he mention stamina and shii bc buu wouldn’t die so the fight was way longer, especially longer than vegeta vs tamagami 2, so I feel once vegeta meets duu or someone even stronger the same effects are gonna apply to vegeta, tbh just like on super, goku at that point mastered ssj3 but doesn’t take away from stamina issues so it’s why even goku doesn’t use it anymore, so before everyone starts believing vegeta has mastered ssj3 or doesn’t haven’t the same draw backs I’d hold my breath a lil longer
This guy is just talking 😂😂😂. Comparing ssj3 to ultra instinct just because it's vegeta😂😂😂. "Say More like ultra instinct" it just reminded me of that episode where Goku compared Beerus to Zamasu
Well we know vegeta dose not have a mastered version of ss3 since goku has 3 years to master it and in the t.o.p he stated that it drains to much energy and drops out of it after wards for that reason
Goku’s base form is actually stronger than Vegeta’s base form in dragon ball Daima and the only example is their beam clash in the beginning of episode 1 when Goku easily overpowers Vegeta’s galick gun however I do believe SSJ3 Vegeta beats SSJ3 Goku
I lost count at how many times it was explained he had better ki control and a stronger base form than Buu Arc Goku. Gotta hit that 10 min mark somehow I guess
@@JozieXP The fact that you say he had a higher base form than Goku is nothing more than a nonsensical headcanon made by a baised Vegeta fan lol. Vegeta literally admitted that he needed Babidi's magic to catch up to Goku lol.
@@raiden8991i think the vid is trying to say is that Vegeta base should be higher than buu saga Goku's base sinde its after the buu saga. And Vegeta didn't had the same affects that goku had in the buu saga.
@@De_lua-b6v Buddy cuz ssj 3 was still new and Goku came to Earth after he just aquired the form, he didn't have enough time to master it and train it properly, Vegeta on the otherhand achieved it during peace and had 1 year to train it properly. As for Goku, we haven't still seen him use ssj 3 yet in daima so don't just start assuming already lol. Also, Where exactly was it officailly stated that Vegeta's base power was higher than Goku's during buu saga lol?
Super sayian 3 only last 30 or 15 minutes it was last that long 🤔 it kinda make sense now to me as a dragonball fan and a Z fan the from didn't last that long when goku first did it in the Majin buu arc or saga and while he was fighting Majin buu it was taken alot of energy from it when he was in the from.
There is some things you said that is not true like Vegeta having better energy control than Goku around that time the only one to train on Yardrat was Goku that’s where they learn energy control and Goku base power is stronger from the start of the Buu saga and the end also Goku used the Ssj3 more than Vegeta so by now his control is much better.
So my questions is…….why didn’t Vegeta use this form ever in Super? Like why didn’t he use it against Beerus the first time? Also I think Vegeta achieved it in secret before being turned into a kid.
GT can't possibly make any sense with Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, Super and now Daima. Dragon Ball is Toriyama. Like how Star Wars is George Lucas. There are stories and characters created by outside writers that I enjoy, but at the end of the day it's just elseworld stuff not part of the official world and timeline.
Considering one of them is a full grown man and the other one is a child probably the grown man then being children is so stupid I won't even watch it because of that
Vegeta always won a fight with goku just like when Vegeta first fight goku in the saiyan art Vegeta won Vegeta won in tge buu art and dragon ball super superhero movie
ssj 3 goku got dragon fist and many cool flashy techniques,meanwhile ssj 3 vegeta is just raw strength like old dragon ball stuff beating your opponent with punches and final flash. sure ssj 3 goku got many Ls but come on!!!
because he was fight an oponent much weaker than him and ended the fight quickly had Goku fought Tamigami 2 in ssj3 the result would be the same. Put ssj3 Vegeta against a kid buu just as strong as himself like what Goku did and I bet Vegeta would get worn out as well.
I genuinely love that HIS SSJ3 form has a different appearance, it looks a lot like the original design for the form. 🤔
It is
The concept design is ass compared to the original
You do realize Goku never fought Vegeta in SSJ 3, right? They both fought in SSJ2, and Vegeta had the Majin Amp, so how was he stronger than Goku ? Goku was the reason for him taking the Majin Amp, so you wrong there. Also , why does the Vegeta fanboys assume he's stronger than Goku just because he was forced to use it 1st? It can just mean Goku wasn't pushed enough to use it and that in itself proves he's stronger in his SSJ 2 FORM
Vegeta was stronger. He destroyed goku in that battle
The "amp" was just to not care and make him ruthless again
Again if you read what I stated , it took the Amp from to get him to goku lvl so without that he was in fact weaker because goku was holding back to save his feelings
It's literally stated in the Buuhan fight that Vegeta is still that same level without Majin now.... And Majin Vegeta was whooping Goku in the anime.
Again, Vegeta stated he was mad at Goku for holding back, so how is he stronger? It came from his mouth when he was brought back to help fight kid buu!!! Goku even said he was sorry for that!!
Theory: If Vegeta being a kid stopped him from using the traditional SSJ3 with even longer hair, how did Gotenks use it if he's also a kid? Vegeta's SSJ3 is clearly some sort of mastered SSJ3 form
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4:22 call bullshit on the vegeta strength here. Bibidi gave him his boost.
Thanks for the vid, first I caught on this channel, hopefully daima gives a good reason for more!
It was a boost yes, but Vegetas own strength comes into play for it to reach that far
@@Neeyaw For sure and while I love Vegeta - that power boost only got him equal to Goku. I think by and large if both had SSJ3 in that fight it would've ended the same way with a relative tie (barring Goku calling it off early for Buu and Vegeta knocking him out with his back turned).
I will say, maybe if Vegeta had a bit more time with SSJ3 on earth he could have more stamina for it, though, so if the fight went on for a long time he'd win. Goku's largest limitation with SSJ3 is he only ever used it in otherworld prior to their fight which seemingly makes stamina concerns pretty null and void compared to on Earth.
Buu arc Vegeta felt like he could solo the whole tournament in base. Don’t sound like much until we consider Piccolo.
I disagree with video saying Majin Vegeta was stronger than ss2 Goku. They’re pretty much dead even. If Vegeta scales that high, the final explosion prolly beats Fat Buu because we know that technique hits well above its weight class. So no, they were dead even as ss2.
As ss3, Vegeta should have the edge strictly because his living body is more adapted to the strain whereas Goku has only trained his dead body with the transformation. Even Gotenks has the advantage of having a living body on top of being a fusion but even the boys wouldn’t have the physical endurance of Vegeta. Look at the ass whippin Vegeta took from Kid Buu lol really think it’s that simple.
2:43 “It had a lotta cost when using this form. Even with the immense strength, he could not finish Majin Buu before his energy reserves depleted.”
Let the record state the prosecutor is referencing Fat Buu.
That’s the record also state, the content creators statement is 100% false. SSJ3 Goku’s Massive Power Level.. heavily heavily heavily suppressed vs Fat Buu caused, not a Power nor Stamina drain in this moment. The SSJ3 Form Siphoned off the 24 hrs Goku had on Earth as told by Babba The Fortuneteller. Dwindled it down to a mere 30 mins.
Goku could’ve killed Majin Buu “Fat Buu” at any time. But chose not to, only to buy time for Trunks to find the Dragon Ball Radar at Bulma’s house.
Fighting to Buu to buy time versus fighting Buu to kill are 2 entirely different concepts.
1) SSJ3 Goku was Heavily Suppressed versus Fat Buu.
2) Despite being Heavily Suppressed, SSJ3 Goku’s Power Level was still so Massive, his Power Level could be felt from from Earth to The Planet of The Kai’s.
3) A Massively Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku completely dominated Fat Buu in their fight.
4) When versus Kid Buu, Goku revealed he could’ve easily killed Fat Buu much earlier. This gives credit to why a Massively Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku’s Power Level is weaker than both SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan Inner Potential Unlocked.
All throughout The Buu Arc, Goku has been constantly suppressing (hiding) his true Strength. When Goku stops suppressing himself. He is The Strongest In The Universe.
5) Non of The Saiyans receive a Zenkai Boost in The Buu Arc. They either get Stronger due to training, or by way of magic. But they never get a Zenkai Boost.
Zenkai Boosts still exist. However the reason why none of the Saiyans receive zero in The Buu Arc was explained by Goku in The Cell Arc. When talked about Saiyans reaching their limits. They have the ability to surpass their limits. But Saiyans still have limits. They just have to work extremely hard to reach those limits.
Essentially, there are 3 states of being when it comes to the body. The State of Rest, The State of Recovery & The State of Growth. A Saiyan can only ever get a Zenkai Boost in 2 of these states. Recovery & Growth. A Saiyan will receive their highest Zenkai Boost in the State of Growth. In the State of Rest a Saiyan will never receive a Zenkai Boost. No matter the circumstances.
Goku confidently spoke on this concept after emerging from The Hyperbolic Time Chamber. He further elaborated on the effectiveness of training properly in contrast to overtraining. Giving yourself the proper rest, will allow gives it time to become Stronger once it transitions into the states of growth & recovery. Goku told Vegeta Overtraining is Torture to the Saiyan body. Training in the way will not make The Saiyan Stronger. Only training properly will make the Saiyan Stronger, Tremendously so. Goku’s respected the concept of the state of rest the state of recovery and the state of growth. This is why Goku & Gohan became massively overwhelmingly and exceedingly stronger after the hyperbolic time chamber training.
A Saiyan will receive a Zenkai Boost after surviving a near death experience.. only when their body is in the state of recovery & or the state of growth. A Saiyan will Never receive a Zenkai Boost when their body is in the state of rest. When a Saiyan has reached their utmost limit, their body is in the state of rest.
This is especially Highlighted In Gohan versus Buutenks. Gohan is on the brink of death. Dendè quickly heals him. Buutenks then says this. “Your Power Level is back to normal. But you did not get any Stronger. How boring..” this takes place both in The DBZ Manga & DBZ KAI Anime. Despite the truth I just revealed. Many fans outright lie and state Gohan got Stronger when it is easily shown proven and stated that Gohan did not get Stronger.
Bro I’ve been waiting for a video for so long. This is a great one to come back on. Love SWT main channel
Hell yeah, glad to see this channel upload again. Personally I think Goku because of how goated he is but gotta love Vegeta
Maybe I missed something but..when was Vegeta base ever stronger than Goku? Remember only reason Vegeta kept up with Goku in ssj2 was cuz of the Majin boost and u lost me when u said he a more experienced fighter than Goku when Vegeta didn’t even train til after he met Goku and Goku been training his whole life atp 🤦🏾♂️
He said Vegetas base in daima is stronger than Goku’s base in the buu saga.
And yes, Vegeta is much more experienced than Goku, he was in the frieza army and comes from a planet where they conquer other planets for a living, he has only known fighting.
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@@trickeruniverse1979 when was that said his base was stronger? Everytime I hear that shit it sounds dumb like in the Android saga..that makes no logical sense, Goku was dead 7yrs no sleep needed training 24/7 in other world and his base was surpassed by someone who needs sleep recovery and nobody to train with while Goku fought the strongest warriors who ever lived in heaven? Nah not buying it idc wtf Akita wrote 😂
Also call 🧢 on experience, Goku been training with gods since 13yrs old Vegeta just was born strong remember nobody was stronger than him except Friezas top guys..all saiyans did was battle and recover in a tank while Goku grandad was a fighting master along with Roshi and trained with the literal god of earth so miss me with that
Incorrect,vegeta was seen training w sis amen in the original bardock father of goku movie . Also whis even stated vegeta is more advanced in combat than goku , he just needed to cool his ego and be more patient. That strain is what kept him from surpassing goku . While goku is just naturally strong he has very bad habits like dropping his guard , or getting arrogant or too comfortable in fights .
@ bro Saiyan training is just getting your ass whooped and recover vs Goku martial arts training and that dropping his guard this is annoying cuz they overdid it in Super when he really was just too nice/naive not careless and stupid like Super shows. Tho the gods in DB are weak af they still taught techniques and very important lessons in martial arts
Goku hadn’t even used Ssj3 yet n Daima he still stronger
This would’ve hit so much harder if we got Vegeta in the adult form doing this.
Got to see Daima in theaters a few months ago, so much fun. Stoked you're still uploading here!
I’d love to see you live stream your reactions like you did with episode 1 of Daima.
Dragon Ball Theory might be my favorite channel of yours.
Yes me too i love listening to Theory's reviews on things!
I started listening and was like "wait...this voice sounds familar..." 😂😂
Insecure goku's fans will always be hating on "THE PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS"😂😂😂😂
Yes! DB theory returns! Been waiting forever 😭
Bro it’s been so long!!! I’m so glad ur back! Loved the video we literally waited 20+ years for this moment, but listen I would really appreciate it if you made a video about how you think vegeta achieved the super saiyan 3 transformation I know bulma said because he trained really hard but come on there has to be more to it than that ,hope you consider it I hope you upload more often because this is my favorite channel out of all the ones you have besides Star Wars theory hope you consider it and happy new years!
now all we need is ssj3 Gohan. Love this take on ssj3 vegeta and goku
We need Gohan to show up in the show before we can see him SS3 lol we're 12 episodes in, he hasn't been or even mentioned.
@@derekosgood3230 the series still has 8 more episodes to go lol
We need Gohan to actually train and earn his transformations instead of convenient plot armor
Tbf Gohan's Ultimate form makes SSJ transformations pointless. It literally taps out all power from him, whatever is his theoretical max from a transformation and then some (excluding Beast, which seems like an evolved version of Ultimate)
@@raiden8991 Yeah it does lol that's not a lot
Goku is still stronger and would still beat vegeta, he understands the fotlrm better and has better experience with the form, and goku has plot armour
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The series already answered it several times, even Goku himself rather easily beat Vegeta in this new series
Brilliant! Just finished this episode ❤
This video was fun and much appreciated
Takes vegeta more than 30 years to transform into ssj3😂
I mean he didnt start training till after Mecha Frieza happened,like 30 years old+.
He even said training is for low classes when he first met Goku
Goku was training since he was a baby
I love ur dragon ball vids hope u do more content
Makes sense considering vegeta ss2 was able to hit berrus in bog this was before goku unlocked god ki
Yeeeees Finally I've been Wating for Another Vid I Love These So Much Thanks Theory Keep Up The Good Work 👍
You realize that goku has better ki control because he was able to get close to super sayian 2 in the cell games due to goku knew how to control his energy where Vegeta couldn’t come up with the idea on how to do till afterwards
Lolz vegeta need the power of the magin that bobbyd give to equal goku super sayan hahaha
I feel that the SSJ3 Goku we got is someone who hadn't yet mastered the form. That said, it stands to reason that he would master it post-buu. As far as energy control, please remember that it was Goku who came up with the Super Saiyan Full Power form. Vegeta even praised him for that and wished he had thought of that for the fight with Cell.
Oh wow! A new DB Theory video! Nice!
Ssj3 mini Vegeta < dbs ssj3 Goku
Ssj3 mini Vegeta > z ssj3 Goku
Also people are forgetting that Goku can use ssj3 better in otherworld
Bcz he was dead, and ofc dbs goku would win against daima ssj3 vegeta, but as of now ssj3 vegeta is stronger
It’s a 3 year timeskip, goku was training, he is definitely stronger than mini vegeta ssj3 and his Z counterpart
@@parkerjunior1 we haven't even seen Goku use ssj 3 in daima and yet yall wanna start talking already🤡.
@@raiden8991 ????? I'm not even talking about daima Goku you fool...💀🤦
@@parkerjunior1 no but you're coming up with a headcanon that Goku is only good at using ssj 3 in the otherworld 🤡.
you can tell in the hairs color as well, like Gotenks Vegeta has found a way to stabalize it quite well, Gokus hair always had the gold sheen to it, making me feel like it was bleeding energy even without his aura active.
@@Knight121198 Gotenks never stabilized that form, it ran out even before the time was up.
Also, the golden sheen is an artistic choice by Akira.
Very cool video dragon ball theory
Goku was a SSJ3 for longer, so it would stand to reason that his version would be stronger.
Cool video but Majin Vegeta wasn't equal at all to Ssj3 Goku, he was pretty much on par with Ssj2 Goku or a little stronger if you wanna see it like that, but that's just it
vegeta was able to watch goku and saw the drawbacks to ss3 and maybe was able to train to overcome much of the drawbacks. Also Vegeta was able to train with a living body while Goku trained in the after life. Goku wasn’t use to the form in his real body.
Yooooo Theory!!! I didn’t know you liked Dragon Ball too!!
I feel like his form looks different is because Goku forced and strained thus form to come out. Vegeta seems to have learned how to draw out the power and also only transform as far as is needed.
About time Theory! 😁
People have to always have to remember! Vegeta said it himself! Only reason he was able to go toe to toe with Goku in the Buu saga was because he had that M stamped on his forehead!!!!!!!! That's the ONLY reason!!!!!! Vegeta even told Goku that he allowed him to think he had a chance to beat him!!!!
Goku did it better
Any chance you will do more watch parties for Daima? The show has been great so far!
2:25 The reason why this is true is because Goku achieved Super Saiyan 3 while being dead. Hence the halo above his head.
I’ve been saying it for years. Goku would’ve achieved SSJ3 even in the world of the living.
Because Goku attained this transformation and was the creator of it. While being Dead. This gave him a massive advantage in the world of the living.
However, after elder Kai gave his own life in exchange for Goku’s. This is the first time Goku experienced SSJ3 and a body that is alive. He never attain the form while he had a living body he did cell with a dead body. So the differences on sustaining and maintaining SSJ3 with a body that is alive is far more damaging because it’s like the first time is ever transformed and not able to sustain it he’s not used to it all his training efforts were done for seven years with a dead body giving him a massive advantage. Now for the first time ever he’s experienced the SJ3 as a living body. And doing so will tax him because he prepared for this with a dead body.
I said it 1 million times before and I’ll say it 1 million times more. If Goku had achieved SSJ3 while he was alive but he still chose to stay in other world. He would’ve had no weaknesses the weakness of the form came from Goku’s‘s instability while having a living body prior to experiencing the power as a dead body.
Super Saiyan 3 has no weaknesses, when achieved in a living body for the very 1st time. Versus achieving SSJ3 in a dead body. Despite me saying this for years fans never believed it never wanted to except the truth. My personal opinion I believe that was just because they had something against Goku. They didn’t want Goku to be the strongest even though time and time again with everything that has come out beyond DBZ we have DBZ Kai super battle of gods and now DIAMA. Everything stating that Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. This is also referenced by many characters about Goku in The Buu Arc.
it is not about it having a weakness Even ssj was taxing on the body hence Goku never combined it with KK and while SSJ3 was easyer for Goku with a dead body he should by now have learnt to regulate the energy drain just like freeza did with his golden form however SSJ3 like SSJ2 is just a powered up Super Saiyan from it will always burn more energy than SSJ2 and SSJ2 will Always burn more power than SSJ they just need to learn to regulate the burn to minimize it.
I'm wondering if since his hair isn't as long, maybe he has his ss3 in control so it's like a base version of ss3 not draining as hard but also with less a ceiling of power.
3:46 “Fast forward to of course Super. And we see that Super Saiyan 3 has become somewhat outdated. Now by this point Goku’s base Power is Far Beyond what it was in The Buu Saga, but SSJ3’s drawbacks, high energy consumption and unsustainable strain, still hold it back.”
Objection!!!
Judge: Go ahead, I wanna hear what u have to say..
Me: thank you your honor. Let the record state Dragon Ball Theory’s initial statement & closing statement is completely false.
It is entirely true that Goku became exponentially more powerful in Dragon Ball Super, than he ever was, in Z.
Let the record also state Goku Fully Mastered Super Saiyan 3. Given Goku‘s exceptional ability to adapt to any situation. It is within my personal humble opinion Goku mastered the SSJ3 state in little to no more than one months time duration.
Let the record state that super Saiyan three Goku never had any stamina issues when he fought Lord Beerus. The SSJ3 stem consumption issue is no more than a mere myth. Because Goku in a living body having fully trained and adapt with the powers and the strength of SSJ3 has no stamina issues has no “ki” energy leakage has no aura drain.
Exhibit A, SSJ3 Goku versus Kid Buu. This is The 1st time ever Goku fought as an SSJ3 in a living body. It is also important to mention Goku was fighting a been far more powerful than himself yet he was able to make it look as if the fight was even. That part is twofold. Kid Buu was heavily suppressed and Nerfed simultaneously. On top of Goku‘s complementary fighting prowess fighting a being who is far more powerful than himself but making the fight look even. Regardless what time in moderation throughout the fight Kid Buu started elevating his power level. Providing proof that Goku was never going to be able to defeat him. Further proof is Goku specifically stating he needed not wanted he needed the fusion just to beat Kid Buu heavily surprised/NERFED Kid Buu, at that.
Exhibit B, SSJ3 Goku vs A massively heavily suppressed Lord Beerus. This is Goku fighting as an SSJ3, in a living body. The benefits of training in SSJ3 as a living body far outweigh the benefits of training in SSJ3 in a dead body, hence the halo.
It is a shame that nobody noticed Goku never had any stamina issues versus Lord Beerus. He should also be noted to the court that for some odd reason dragon ball super heavily underutilize is the SSJ3 form when it comes to Goku and they go out of their way to avoid it. So it’s more of an issue on the creators versus the character himself.
What we say SSJ3 Kid Vegeta do in DB Daima, Goku did it 1st in Battle of Gods. And nobody noticed it. The stark difference is, SSJ3 Goku fought Lord Beerus.. whereas SSJ3 Kid Vegeta fought Tamagami 2. If Goku fight a mortal being, identical to the way Kid Vegeta did. He too, would’ve proved his immense superiority over his opponent.
Judge: Wow, very impressive. I had no idea.. after all these years too.
Me: thank you your honor for hearing me out. The defense, rests.
I forgot Star Wars theory also has a GIANT appreciation for DB!
We need the no woke no nonsense personality of theory in every media!❤️
it also could be the fact vegeta has more experience fighting or training as a child than goku does
I think that it's difficult to gauge the comparatability of both Goku and Vegeta's SS3 forms, since we don't know how Majin Buu compares to Tamagami #2. It may be that Vegeta didn't have to expend alot of energy fighting a weaker opponent wheras Goku was facing a more formidable opponent in Buu.
When you said Vegeta entered ssj3 at a later stage thus he probably entered with higher base power and better control. However, Vegeta entered ssj2 at a later stage was weaker and needed majin power to obtain a more full powered ssj2.
Vegeta fans, y'all do realize Goku is the main character?????????????SMDH
Well he achieved Super Saiyan 3 before becoming a kid, Bulma wasnt surprised and Goku was, Bulma said he had been training for it since Buu
bring back the daima watch parties please at least for the dub this show is way better than skeleton crew
Dude, you do realize that Goku hasn't stopped training since the Buu fight as well!?!?!?!? So how do you think Vegeta is stronger????? Also Goku had ssj3 first so I'm sure he has been working to master it better by now before Vegeta gets ssj3. Goju never stops training!!!!! SMDH. All these Vegeta fan boys living in a fantasy world!!!! No pun intended!!!!!!!!!!
In games. They show vegeta has the ki and goku is the physical one. They aren't that much different. Both forms are about the same. Vegeta having better ki or more ki is goin to have the better form. I want see both use the forms at the same time before any fusion in daima.
Ssj3 transformation is awesome
Hell yeah
everyone is saying this but I think the Dragon Ball community is high and tripping balls off this ep. And it was hype, I get it.
But there are some factors we need to account for.
1. SSJ3 isn't outputting the same amount of energy because all the Z Fighters base form has been nerfed by the wish.
2. The opponents the Z fighters are fighting are near peers to 6y/o Z fighters, not to Buu Arc Z fighters. Or you can try to explain why characters that can snap away planets are being troubled by wildlife even with SSJ3 in their back pocket. Vegeta out right said a few ep "we can't take that right now"
3. SSJ3 Vegeta Blitz the Temagami, the Temagami isn't even close to Kid buu even if it feels like that because of the nerfs to the z fighters. Even with it's stamina drain, the blitz was to dominate and to fast. Goku using SSJ3 in short burst like this didn't wear him out either, against fat buu he was already tired from a day of fighting and his time running out, against kid buu, kid buu was just stronger.
4. Vegeta testimony of SSJ3 post Daima is still Vegeta opinion, rather Daima exist or not. That means he thinks that it is a useless transformation that drains your stamina. The idea that he mastered it to the degree the community is suggesting and then goes on to never use it and says "Yeah it sucks" is nonsense.
I will say this, I do think that between the end of Z and Battle of Gods that Vegeta does get the edge on Goku. In BoG, Vegeta puts up a better fight against Beerus than Goku did. But I don't think Goku is a Tamagami to Vegeta if they were to go at it SSJ3 vs SSJ3. Vegeta would be pressed and he couldn't just have his way with Goku like he could with the Tamagami. Some other nonsense claims like "SSJ3 Vegeta is stronger than SSJ4 Goku" and stuff I've seen going around is just, what are ya'll smoking
Also, I think he unlocked SSJ3 off screen prior to Diama happening.
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It’s all great assuming goku hasn’t mastered the form as well. He has more time to refine it plus during the majin vegeta fight he held back so his base power actually is higher than vegeta. Ontop of that he never stop training..I give the edge to goku but by a small margin
Yo since when did star wars theory have a dragon ball channel???
Vegeta is always made a fool of. This time because ssj3 as toddler
Ig this is his Theory
To save everyone 10 precious minutes of their lives: Vegeta. Simple.
I have to disagree on that one : What about Goku's power in Daima, you keep comparing to Goku's power in Z...3 years prior. Nothing says that Goku didn't manage to fix the early drowbacks of the form. And while true that Goku has incredible flair in his fighting style, he is also a savy tactitian in the heat of a battle as demonstrated many times specially to long battles , I would even go further and say that Vegita is usually the one who wants to finish things quicky but only his ego makes him take longer in few instances as demonstraed in many of Z fights and even super. On the other hand glad you are a DB fan as well , the force is strong here too 😅.
Also this theory is wrong because in the first episode Goku was clapping Vegeta in base.
This theory is wild 😜
You are comparing Daima Goku to Buu saga Goku. You need to compare Daima Vegeta to Daima Goku.
We already saw Vegeta SSJ 3 in Super Dragon Ball Heroes and in the games Dragon Ball: Raging Blast, Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 and Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle 😅
It wasn’t cannon until now.
You're kinda just yappin here, brother
I just have to say before the video ends, I don’t think vegeta is better at ssj3 than goku, clearly there’s gonna be some draw back for ssj3 vegeta seeing he never used it in super(ik it was thought of or whatever but they have to make it make sense to the story) so i think we will see vegeta struggle with ssj3 just like goku bc at first it looked like goku mastered the form too, it was really only a problem against kid buu, he said he could’ve ended fat buu but wanted to leave it the next generation, only when he ran into kid buu did he mention stamina and shii bc buu wouldn’t die so the fight was way longer, especially longer than vegeta vs tamagami 2, so I feel once vegeta meets duu or someone even stronger the same effects are gonna apply to vegeta, tbh just like on super, goku at that point mastered ssj3 but doesn’t take away from stamina issues so it’s why even goku doesn’t use it anymore, so before everyone starts believing vegeta has mastered ssj3 or doesn’t haven’t the same draw backs I’d hold my breath a lil longer
9:40.. he was already ssj3 before he was turned into a kid
This was a fanservice gift to all the Vegeta fanboys.
Don't get triggered, I like Vegeta too.
This guy is just talking 😂😂😂. Comparing ssj3 to ultra instinct just because it's vegeta😂😂😂. "Say More like ultra instinct" it just reminded me of that episode where Goku compared Beerus to Zamasu
I think vegetas ss3 is not the completed version. Goku has had ss3 for longer and has been receiving zeki boose since then.
R u stupid….LOL your not a real dragonball fan if thats wa you think…vegeta ssj3 hair is the original hair design….
Well we know vegeta dose not have a mastered version of ss3 since goku has 3 years to master it and in the t.o.p he stated that it drains to much energy and drops out of it after wards for that reason
Goku’s base form is actually stronger than Vegeta’s base form in dragon ball Daima and the only example is their beam clash in the beginning of episode 1 when Goku easily overpowers Vegeta’s galick gun however I do believe SSJ3 Vegeta beats SSJ3 Goku
Yea but goku would notice it and improve it
Ss3 isn't about emotions it's more on concentration so I'd definitely give vegeta the edge
Goku had Ssj3 longer so his control is much better we haven’t seen Goku use Ssj3 in daima and everybody already writing him off ya’ll need to relax
Yeah my money's on my boy Vegeta
Goku beat him in base form at beginning so get absolutely owned
In my opinion kid buu is stronger than anyone in diama
Daima is canon
Everyone says the same thing but no one mentions Goku lost the from vs kid buu then regains and even vegeta commends him like how’s he losing
Super Saiyan forms don't exponentiate in power; only fusion does that.
He got ss3 after wrath of dragon
Imo Vegeta looks ridiculous in SS3.
Vegeta is stronger it takes Goku like 3 hours to transform and scream a lung out into ss3 😅
I lost count at how many times it was explained he had better ki control and a stronger base form than Buu Arc Goku.
Gotta hit that 10 min mark somehow I guess
@@JozieXP The fact that you say he had a higher base form than Goku is nothing more than a nonsensical headcanon made by a baised Vegeta fan lol. Vegeta literally admitted that he needed Babidi's magic to catch up to Goku lol.
@ I’m talking about the video. I didn’t say anything
@@raiden8991i think the vid is trying to say is that Vegeta base should be higher than buu saga Goku's base sinde its after the buu saga. And Vegeta didn't had the same affects that goku had in the buu saga.
@@De_lua-b6v Buddy cuz ssj 3 was still new and Goku came to Earth after he just aquired the form, he didn't have enough time to master it and train it properly, Vegeta on the otherhand achieved it during peace and had 1 year to train it properly. As for Goku, we haven't still seen him use ssj 3 yet in daima so don't just start assuming already lol.
Also, Where exactly was it officailly stated that Vegeta's base power was higher than Goku's during buu saga lol?
@raiden8991 We are talking about Buu saga Goku not daima Goku. I think he's trying to say daima goku Buu saga goku.
Super sayian 3 only last 30 or 15 minutes it was last that long 🤔 it kinda make sense now to me as a dragonball fan and a Z fan the from didn't last that long when goku first did it in the Majin buu arc or saga and while he was fighting Majin buu it was taken alot of energy from it when he was in the from.
Goku is the strongest ss3 because he actually trained more in that form vegeta just got 3 it's logical
That dont make sense, vegeta has a stronger base form
@@UltraJamZHD bro stronger base doesn't mean your more powerful gohan base isn't stronger than gokus base yet he still catched up with his beast form🙄
@ base gohan is stronger then base goku….😂
@@UltraJamZHD bro he's using potential unleashed power up🙄
@@UltraJamZHD that's not his base form, that's his mystic/ Ultimate form lol.
There is some things you said that is not true like Vegeta having better energy control than Goku around that time the only one to train on Yardrat was Goku that’s where they learn energy control and Goku base power is stronger from the start of the Buu saga and the end also Goku used the Ssj3 more than Vegeta so by now his control is much better.
So my questions is…….why didn’t Vegeta use this form ever in Super? Like why didn’t he use it against Beerus the first time? Also I think Vegeta achieved it in secret before being turned into a kid.
Easy. It's a retcon.
Wait so does this pretty much mean GT doesn’t exist now ????
Gt never existed its completely nocanon
@@ZombiexJakeI didn’t know that
GT can't possibly make any sense with Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, Super and now Daima. Dragon Ball is Toriyama. Like how Star Wars is George Lucas. There are stories and characters created by outside writers that I enjoy, but at the end of the day it's just elseworld stuff not part of the official world and timeline.
Its a different timeline but it exists
vegeta. his ssj2 is honed to be on equal footing with goku’s ssj3. some cases stronger. his ssj3 should be stronger by default
Considering one of them is a full grown man and the other one is a child probably the grown man then being children is so stupid I won't even watch it because of that
Vegeta always won a fight with goku just like when Vegeta first fight goku in the saiyan art Vegeta won Vegeta won in tge buu art and dragon ball super superhero movie
ssj 3 goku got dragon fist and many cool flashy techniques,meanwhile ssj 3 vegeta is just raw strength like old dragon ball stuff beating your opponent with punches and final flash. sure ssj 3 goku got many Ls but come on!!!
Vegeta didn't have stamina issues
because he was fight an oponent much weaker than him and ended the fight quickly had Goku fought Tamigami 2 in ssj3 the result would be the same. Put ssj3 Vegeta against a kid buu just as strong as himself like what Goku did and I bet Vegeta would get worn out as well.