Please try pushing the rasp exactly along its longitudinal axis. You will remove even more material and get a perfectly smooth (as if planed) surface. This works because in this direction, the individual tooth edges overlap to act like a single edge across the rasp's width, i.e. like a plane. It's not quite as ergonomic, but the results are worth it.
Thank you for this. It just shows that, after more than 45 years of woodworking, you can still learn. I’m not a great user of rasps - I have several but I rarely find the need to use them - no doubt, if I did more exterior and/or large work, then they would be used more. I make mostly interior pieces and rasps are generally not needed. Bit, if I need to get another or replacement rasp, I will certainly try out a Shinto rasp.
Hi Theo. More than welcome. It's hard to know if something is worth the cost if you aren't going to use it all the time. After all there are work arounds that Im sure you have like low grit sandpaper. But like you say, if you ever need one, at least they are fairly inexpensive.
I’ve used my Shinto on many projects. This tool is so underrated and unknown amongst woodworkers. Very satisfying to work with aswell. Thanks for the video 👍
I found one of these a few months back at an antique shop, probably a pound or two. It was rusty but after an electrolysis bath it was as good as new. Brilliant tool.
I could not agree more about the Shinto. I made 3 reindeer, as a Christmas gift, out of fallen hurricane tree logs and branches. I ground the chamfers for the legs and necks, as well as rounding off the bark on the bodies and heads, in no time at all. I can't imagine any other tool, removing so much material with that much speed, accuracy, and safety. P.S. Love your new sign!
I picked up a saw rasp (same brand) about a year ago. It does everything I need for convex curves, waste removal, and fine tuning. It hasn't noticeably dulled at all yet. Yep ... bloody brilliant replacement for flat rasps and files. $0.02
hi Matthew. Thank you for watching and commenting. I wont go back now and will clear out some of the files that will become redundant. There are jobs that I am sure this wont manage but like you say, anything that is not concave, this is the first tool I will grab.
I got one of these myself, and am super impressed with it. In softwoods, it cuts hilariously fast, and in hardwoods, still fast enough to let you make mistakes😜(cut to far) if you don’t keep an eye on yourself. I use it a lot to cut tapers on garden tool handles when fitting them up, works great!
I use one of these and keep a load of the micro shavings that it produces for the old wood glue and sawdust filler trick to cover any mistakes or blemishes. The crucial part is that they are tiny shavings, not dust, so are great for this purpose.
I bought a shinto rasp more than two years ago and it's been brilliant. That, along with the two half round iwasaki files I got last year, take care of all my rasping needs.
I bet it is really handy in what you do. I had another comment from a guitar maker who used it a lot in shaping the neck. I can see how that would be a great use of it. Among many other.s
Have to say I LOVE shintos. They cut through so quickly but with care and focus on grain direction the fine side can leave a finish equivalent to 100 grit. Another cool feature is that the edges have teeth as well so it is possible to cut straight down if there is enough space for the width of the rasp.
Hi David. Thank you, At least they were a little easier than the sign that is on by back wall. They were smaller and much harder. In truth I find it restful and the rasp tool hours off the time.
You can radically improve maneuverability with the jigsaw by chucking it up in your Moxon upside down, then move the stock instead of trying to maneuver the saw. I suggest good leather gloves for this type of work.
Yes, I have a couple of the Shinto Rasps, they're excellent! I make knives, and I use a Shinto Rasp and a couple of handstitched cabinet maker's rasps to shape the handles But be careful as a Shinto Rasp is a dangerous tool -- it can get you hooked on Japanese tools.
Never even knew these existed! Just came across your channel and the content you've been putting on is terrific. Really enjoy how you explain and demo the tools you're using. Great stuff!
Hi Gene. Me neither until fairly recently. And thank you so much for the kind words. I am glad you found the channel. Feel free to comment across any of the videos, questions, advice and feedback always welcome.
I have a Shinto rasp and I have rotary rasps. The Shinto is no match for rotary rasps. Pro tip: The next time you paint something small put a piece of solid wire through it. That way you can paint all of it and then hang it up to dry. I use 16 gauge tie wire but some old metal coat hanger would work too. You'd like one of my scroll saws for cutting letters out. You can pretty much take them right off the saw.
@@startmaking1 scrolling is a craft unto itself. The work you can do on a scroll saw is unique and impressive. But it's not traditional woodworking. You can do letters like you cut out real easy though. That's scroll saw 101 stuff. There are some tricks to scrolling like the packing tape trick. You wouldn't think glue is a lubricant, but it is.
I have a few surforms and thought they were as good as I could get until I got this. Though, they did serve me well up to now. You never really know you need a tool until you know.
Thank you MR. Great to have you aboard. Goodness only knows how the algorithm works., Mystery to me. By the way please dont worry if I do a mix of build, workshop and tool videos. there is always a tool one on the way if you like that in particular.
@@startmaking1 Glad to be on board! It's weird. I hope to binge watch soon, but in the meantime, I'll mention Renaissance Wax and Boeshield T9. ANYONE who has tools that are made out of iron or steel should know about these. They are not cheap - but are cheaper than replacing tools! They do keep the rust at bay on metal planes and chisels, and Renaissance Wax has many uses - such as stopping brass tarnishing and on polished stone - but I mainly use it on woodworking planes. And if anyone does look into these, the other stuff the suppliers sell tends to be quite interesting too.
Hi Norman. Whatever tools you have got have clearly done a good job for you up to now. I find that when the time is right to add or replace a tool it feels natural. Maybe this is the time to get a rasp. At least it is not too pricey too.
Glad you found the saw rasp. I've been shaping things for years with one. Can't beat it for removing stock quickly. Next, you should be onto vintage "hand picked" files. That may not be the correct term, but what I mean is a file that a human has made each tooth on the file. I'm still using Grandpa's; mainly, because I use the old vinegar trick to keep them sharp and clean. Another, great video, Mark. Finally, when you get another old saw, you can learn how to sharpen and set the teeth. You aren't going to buy a modern saw as good. Cheers!
Hi. I was genuinely surprised. And not at all expensive. Now you are getting me tempted to buy more tools. That's usually my job . I actually. picked up a large and a small tenon saw in the auction lot I got, both look lovely, and brass backed. They are, however , blunt. Also my Japanese saw didn't like the screw it found and so needs some teeth realigning. I think that a learning weekend is in order for me. And soon. Should be a lot of fun.
IT was pointed out in the comments that if you do use vinegar and sand paper that you open fresh metal up for rust So you should oil afterwards. I did and had to take it out of the video as the letters wouldn't stick and there was swearing and then cleaning again. But for a general tool it was good advice to oil afterwards.
@@startmaking1 Yeah I guess even motor oil would work. What is 3 in 1 oil? I imagine 3 oils but what are they? Yeah there's always someone smarter but I sure enjoy learning from people like you and other wood workers
@@ScarletEyeMoon this stuff. www.screwfix.com/p/3-in-one-oil-drip-can-200ml/59982?kpid=59982&cm_mmc=Google-_-Datafeed-_-Auto%20and%20Cleaning?kpid=KINASEKPID&cm_mmc=Google-_-TOKEN1-_-TOKEN2&ds_rl=1243318&ds_rl=1241687&ds_rl=1245250&ds_rl=1245250&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3MmopPDw_wIVDIpoCR1o0g7QEAQYASABEgI_rvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I have one of these and like it. It certainly compares favourably with machine made rasps but I haven’t compared it with hand-stitched tools (I’m not made of money). Other videos have noted that the tip can be hard on fingers and offered two solutions. The first was a rubber ferrule from a walking stick jammed on the end. The other was to grind small depressions on the front and back of the relatively flat bit at the end to grip with finger and thumb.
Hi Eddie. Great advice. I didn't feel it as uncomfortable but I have very rough hands so maybe they dont tear up as easily. But I will definitely take a look and that would make a great short video to follow up as an improver. Thank you
@@startmaking1 I am glad I don’t have a TH-cam channel because if someone told me not to use gloves when I thought they were appropriate that person would get a rather rude reply.
@@eddienew2044: Indeed! There are Many YT commenters, who both ask for and deserve Very rude replies. (and I give them when I think I won't offend others) 😁✌🖖
I used a Shinto rasp at Crimson Guitars and it roughed out the neck of the guitar I built there very quickly. If you can justify the price of the Iwisaki flat and half round files you will not be disappointed. After having roughed out my neck with the Shinto rasp my instructor (Sean) had something he had to take care of so he said for me to sit at my desk and tidy the neck up with the Iwisaki files. He came back half an hour later, looked at my neck and said "I said use the files only, there's no point sanding it just yet". I told him that I had only used the files and not sanded and that there was no sand paper on my bench. He looked the neck up and down then said "very well done" to me. I just had to buy a pair of those files and I use them for just about everything. Incidentally, my guitar neck only took about 10 minutes of sanding at a later time. If you would like to see my guitar then check out WOTB202 and WOTB203 here on TH-cam. I am Rik in them.
Hi Rik. I need to find the videos. Very interested in watching. Do I just search for WOTB202. I didn't find anything from an initial hunt on TH-cam. Love the story about the guitar. Well done,.
You made a comment about not having a bandsaw. I have two suggestions. One is to mount your jigsaw upside down kind of like a router table. The other is to buy a jewelers saw. The first is almost free, the second is cheap (20$). Both will serve you forever even if you get a bandsaw.
Hi just found channel. My only complaint is using vinegar to clean up saw blade. Yes, it works every day of the week, it's an acid. Use WD40, Inox, CRC any light oil. Unless you neutralise the acid, you will get rust back. Why is this so? with an abrasive medium you leave micro scoring in the plate, this is where the vinegar sits. The Shinto file is good but don't throw out your files so fast. Many wood working projects use different woods, so the Shinto may work really well on some but not so good on other timbers. An arsenal of tools maybe the way to go. But in life we try this, try that, what works in UK, USA, Australia, will differ, types of wood and conditions. So far like your channel stay safe.
Hi Robin. Thank you for your comment. And for your advice. I had to edit a fair amount for the video as it was so long. One part was where I washed the vinegar off and then applied a coat of 3 in 1 oil. The reason that I edited it out was because the letters didn't stick due to the oil and I had to in turn wipe most of that off. It was a real pain. But you are right, U have now left it open to rust annoyingly. I honestly had no idea about vinegar then abrasive, makes complete sense. And I take your point about the rasps and files. Again, to be honest, I changed the title as a last attempt to get people to notice the video. Create some intrigue if you like. The irony being that I used the needles files as much as the Shinto I guess. thank you for your comment again and for watching in the first place. Much appreciated,
@@startmaking1 I do understand as a creator of content you need to make your videos stand out. All good. Keep up giving content it helps people, this might help or it might not but sometimes a longer video is better than short, you are then imparting more information to new people, which is going to help them more, but people will always say o..it's to long, so I say skip forward. No problem but the new guy or girl will really appreciate the time you give. Cheers from Tasmania
Hi Robin. That is definitely a good point. For a more informative video, like a build or a 5 tools, 8 tools, one like that, I really like to take more time. You are right, people say it is too long but beginners like the info. I think I am finding a good time judgement but there are always tweeks, Thankyou
I gave several open mesh rasps they all do better than a solid body, but the woodchuck has one advantage with the wide woodchisel edge it can shave those raised fibres on edges. No need for two tools on problematic woods.
@@startmaking1 This one is same company as the home depot one's but better quality industrial version "Nicholson File # WCSET3CMNN Wood Chuck Combination Chisel and Wood Rasp"
I've carved a couple signs & have given them away. But I've had a Shinto rasp for 30 years. It doesn't get use daily but it easily removes wood when needed. I forget why I originally purchased it. but other than a small Stanley Surform tool, it's the only rasp I have. It came in real handy when fitting the railing on a small deck I built a few years ago. I always thought I wanted a couple more conventual rasps or some rifflers but both are expensive for good ones.
Hi bill. I suspect that it will be the tool that I dont always reach for but if I didn't have it I know it is going to be a long slog with one of my other files. That is also the added bonus, this is really cheap for what it does.
M8 once again 👏👏👏👏 think this was a great follow up video. Ive seen that rasp in so many channels and have looked at it so many times and thought that cant work cant be right. But seeing it do that a fear it may be sommit am gonna have to part my tightness with and purchase. Could be very helpful in my future projects. I bought the German supermarket branded ones few weeks agao and they've done not bad tbh but that seems great. Seriously though with what happened think this was awesome video to stick out today. Speak soon. 🏴👍 Ps am still waiting for my Camino shout out. 😂😂
Hey. Thank you. I wondered if this would take off loose bark but figured you are better with a grinding wheel. Might do a good job tidying up live edges though. You definitely deserve a shout out. More than deserve it. Hang fire though I have an idea.
@@startmaking1 yea deffo better a reckon with the wheel although would clean up the stray stuff nicely a reckon. M8 a was just kidding am just a guy with few ideas your the one putting the graft in. 🏴👍
@@michaelwillson6847 lol. Don't do yourself down. You have ideas, support, positivity, I could go on. We are part of a really great start making community and I am very lucky.
It appears the handle on yours is noticeably larger than mine. Yeah, the S was needed. It would be confusing on which kind of TART you were referring to.
Love it, Mark! Although I want to request, if one of those letters ever falls off on camera, please leave it in or add it to the end as a "blooper" ;p On a more serious note, what's your opinion on using a Dremel or other rotary tool for say, some of that fine detail removal work?
Sadly not. That would certainly have helped. Though I have to say, the rasp did such a good job on the outsides I didnt miss a saw. Though on the inside it would have helped.
@@startmaking1 yea I’m totally getting a Shinto. You may mention to your following they’re like $19 at taytools and $40 at woodcraft for the same thing so purchase carefully.
That is an interesting question. I have to say that it would be job dependent of course. But I do believe that if nothing else this leaves a better finish easier. As for wood removal, that is an interesting thought for a quick experiment. Thank you
@@startmaking1 I've been considering getting a saw rasp for making guitar necks, as a normal rasp is difficult to get an even thickness with along the neck. I've seen other people using saw rasps, some seem to even seem to be able to use them almost sideways, like a spokeshave, though without the bouncing and rattling on the hard wood.
From the general consensus, about the same, depending on the job. good question that is worth investigating for sure. Good excuse to buy another tool too.
Not only does the channel name need that S, you also need to make sure the t wasn't flipped over vertically upside down or that would be yet another channel altogether 😅
Hi. I always say that if you dont need a tool then you have saved money. I find that jobs come up where I can't not buy something and that is generally how I build my tools collection.
Shinto Rasp, Ryoba Saw, Makita Tools... Well, you're slowly getting shifted to japanese tools, aren't you :) Btw, does the 2 hours Lighting Battery still an issue ? If it is... maybe considering making a smart lighting setup using smart led strip ? Make it foldable ang hangable in the frech cleat section ? Led Strip and White Acrylic sheet are pretty cheap, if I remember correctly
Hi NIto. Well noticed. I actually had that exact thought when I was popping the links into the description and actually took the Makita Jigsaw out. In truth Makita have not been great this week. I love the tools but the treatment I got was underwhelming. Sad as I wasn't asking for anything for free, just some useful info on a tool I was looking at. Anyway, yes the lights are an issue but I hope to have a big fix in place by mid August. fingers crossed. If it falls through though I will take a look at the Led replacement as the videos are suffering .
@@startmaking1 Yeah, Makita don't even have service center in my city. But so far I only had 1 makita broke on me (trimmer). The rest has been serving me well.for at least 5 years with almost consistent weekly use. I'm glad to hear the Lighting solution will be done as soon as August. Hopefully it will spur you to make more content per month
@@startmaking1: I have, over the years, found Japanese appliance/tool instructions to be very lacking. It seems to be assumed you are already an engineer/expert, in whatever field is applicable and then, of course, there is the language/translation barrier. 30 years ago, I bought a Sony amplifier. It has a control labeled "Soundfield" but Nothing in the instructions, to explain what it is or how it affects the output. I still have no idea what that means and no longer care. 🙄😣 A few years ago, I purchased a Zojirushi bread making machine (Excellent choice, Top shelf). I emailed customer support , to ask if ambient room temperature affects the operation of the machine. The reply was a direct quote, from the instruction booklet, which told me Nothing. I tried again at two, well separated, later dates and got the same BS reply. ☹😖 So, if an English speaking person buys anything Japanese, which requires instructions, you are on your own. 😁✌🖖
Wow frustrating. I just emailed Makita and said something along the lines of please can you direct me to the right person to ask a question about a tool that I am thinking about getting. The reply said, sorry we are not looking to deal with and content creators through sponsorships. I hadn't even told them what I do. I replied saying just that and that I wanted nothing from them just some info and got the same reply. Really strange. I then started to get a little miffed and said that I use only Makita and maybe they should check a video or two to see how well I speak of them. They replied saying yes they had already checked it and were not looking to work with a creator. I never actually got to ask them about the reciprocating saw that I was thinking about buying. Shame.
I have 3 different ones (and japanese pull saws). They are ok for wood bashing up to oak, ash, beech(?). Would I use a shinto rasp on a £1000 walnut rifle stock blank? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! They are way too brutal and fast!
Hello ... I would disagree with you, this is a drywall file as far as I know ... There are many files of various sizes and shapes for wood as well as metal ... wood files do much much better edging than yours plaster file !
Hi Zeliko. Thank you for your interesting comment. I am not sure that you are right but, then I am not claiming to be an expert. I was under the impression that the Shinto Rasp File's primary purpose is wood but can also be used for Plaster as a secondary use. Also from the experience I have had, and again I am no expert and have not used all of the files out there, but I have nothing that can remove wood as fast or as cleanly as this. Which files are you considering to be better. I am genuinely interested in learning.
Just a quick one this week. I hope you enjoy it. Do you have a workshop sign? I'd love to see them.
Please try pushing the rasp exactly along its longitudinal axis. You will remove even more material and get a perfectly smooth (as if planed) surface. This works because in this direction, the individual tooth edges overlap to act like a single edge across the rasp's width, i.e. like a plane. It's not quite as ergonomic, but the results are worth it.
One of the best, most effective tools I have ever used! I will never give mine up!
Couldn't agree more!
Thank you for this. It just shows that, after more than 45 years of woodworking, you can still learn. I’m not a great user of rasps - I have several but I rarely find the need to use them - no doubt, if I did more exterior and/or large work, then they would be used more. I make mostly interior pieces and rasps are generally not needed.
Bit, if I need to get another or replacement rasp, I will certainly try out a Shinto rasp.
Hi Theo. More than welcome. It's hard to know if something is worth the cost if you aren't going to use it all the time. After all there are work arounds that Im sure you have like low grit sandpaper. But like you say, if you ever need one, at least they are fairly inexpensive.
I’ve used my Shinto on many projects. This tool is so underrated and unknown amongst woodworkers. Very satisfying to work with aswell. Thanks for the video 👍
I agree. I saw it and after seeing the results I looked for one and was astonished by how well priced it was.
Shinto is a really useful tool. I’ve had mine for a while now and I find all sorts of uses for it. I highly recommend it.
Hi. Thank you for commenting. Great to hear that other woodworkers agree.
5:04 Thank you for the demonstration man, i'm Definitely gettin one o' these things 🤩🤩🤩
very welcome. Thank you.
Yes the Shinto wrasp is an impressive tool use mine all the time.
Hi Christopher. I can't believe it took me so long to get one. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I found one of these a few months back at an antique shop, probably a pound or two. It was rusty but after an electrolysis bath it was as good as new. Brilliant tool.
Wow. Great find.
I could not agree more about the Shinto. I made 3 reindeer, as a Christmas gift, out of fallen hurricane tree logs and branches. I ground the chamfers for the legs and necks, as well as rounding off the bark on the bodies and heads, in no time at all. I can't imagine any other tool, removing so much material with that much speed, accuracy, and safety. P.S. Love your new sign!
Great gift by the way. Really nice use of fallen wood. Shinto for the win too. Brilliant. Hope the hurricane didn't cause you too much damage.
I picked up a saw rasp (same brand) about a year ago. It does everything I need for convex curves, waste removal, and fine tuning. It hasn't noticeably dulled at all yet. Yep ... bloody brilliant replacement for flat rasps and files. $0.02
hi Matthew. Thank you for watching and commenting. I wont go back now and will clear out some of the files that will become redundant. There are jobs that I am sure this wont manage but like you say, anything that is not concave, this is the first tool I will grab.
I got one of these myself, and am super impressed with it. In softwoods, it cuts hilariously fast, and in hardwoods, still fast enough to let you make mistakes😜(cut to far) if you don’t keep an eye on yourself.
I use it a lot to cut tapers on garden tool handles when fitting them up, works great!
You are so right. I tend to get carried away just like I do with a hand plane. Just get mesmerised by the sound and feel.
I use one of these and keep a load of the micro shavings that it produces for the old wood glue and sawdust filler trick to cover any mistakes or blemishes. The crucial part is that they are tiny shavings, not dust, so are great for this purpose.
Hi. That is a great idea. Sometimes the dust just makes a messy putty/plastic finish.
Great idea!
Enjoyed the video. I have not used this product but it was good as demonstrated. Thanks
Thank you.
I bought a shinto rasp more than two years ago and it's been brilliant. That, along with the two half round iwasaki files I got last year, take care of all my rasping needs.
I bet it is really handy in what you do. I had another comment from a guitar maker who used it a lot in shaping the neck. I can see how that would be a great use of it. Among many other.s
@@startmaking1 That's why I got it in the first place. But I now prefer using a spoke shave to shape the neck, after starting with the shinto rasp.
Spoke shave for the win . They are a delight to use when tuned right.
Have to say I LOVE shintos. They cut through so quickly but with care and focus on grain direction the fine side can leave a finish equivalent to 100 grit. Another cool feature is that the edges have teeth as well so it is possible to cut straight down if there is enough space for the width of the rasp.
Hi Dangnabbit. Great point about the straight cut. I will test that this week. Thank you
My brother gave me one for my birthday and I absolutely love it.
That is a great gift. He must be a woodworker too
I admire your patience in making all those letters by hand well done!
Hi David. Thank you, At least they were a little easier than the sign that is on by back wall. They were smaller and much harder. In truth I find it restful and the rasp tool hours off the time.
I've had one for years, the Shinto is awesome!
Agreed. Thank you
I'm in Alberta, I've had one for 5 yrs. It's great.
hi in Alberta. Hope you are well. Thank you for watching. I had no idea that they even existed until recently. Not sure where I have been lol.
That's pretty impressive
Thank you very much.
If you make the letters with a magnetic strip on back, they are easily interchangeable. Love the video, just ordered the
what a brilliant idea.
The 2nd side looks really cool ,love the sign .
Hi William. Thank you very much. For a last minute decision I am glad I did it.
You can radically improve maneuverability with the jigsaw by chucking it up in your Moxon upside down, then move the stock instead of trying to maneuver the saw. I suggest good leather gloves for this type of work.
Brilliant idea Mike. and thank you. I wold definitely need the gloves.
Great idea for a sign!
Thank you very much. Let's hope it works. (not for sawing )
That is an incredible video.👏👏
Hi Masi. Most Kind, thank you.
Yes, I have a couple of the Shinto Rasps, they're excellent!
I make knives, and I use a Shinto Rasp and a couple of handstitched cabinet maker's rasps to shape the handles
But be careful as a Shinto Rasp is a dangerous tool -- it can get you hooked on Japanese tools.
Oh I bet it can. I have been eyeing planes. The thin long shavings look amazing.
Never even knew these existed! Just came across your channel and the content you've been putting on is terrific. Really enjoy how you explain and demo the tools you're using. Great stuff!
Hi Gene. Me neither until fairly recently. And thank you so much for the kind words. I am glad you found the channel. Feel free to comment across any of the videos, questions, advice and feedback always welcome.
I agree, just discovered your channel, great clear presentation, and just love the projects… refreshing 📸📸
Thank you so much. Very appreciated.
I have a Shinto rasp and I have rotary rasps. The Shinto is no match for rotary rasps. Pro tip: The next time you paint something small put a piece of solid wire through it. That way you can paint all of it and then hang it up to dry. I use 16 gauge tie wire but some old metal coat hanger would work too. You'd like one of my scroll saws for cutting letters out. You can pretty much take them right off the saw.
I watch a lot of sign makers and their scroll saws on Instagram. Looks like a great tool
@@startmaking1 scrolling is a craft unto itself. The work you can do on a scroll saw is unique and impressive. But it's not traditional woodworking. You can do letters like you cut out real easy though. That's scroll saw 101 stuff. There are some tricks to scrolling like the packing tape trick. You wouldn't think glue is a lubricant, but it is.
I am glad you didn't mistakenly put an F in place of the M ! 😉🤣
I definitely should have made the letters magnetic so I could interchange them and see if people notice.
It's a great rasp but it doesn't replace everything, it just adds to the arsenal.
Hi Jim. True. Cheeky thumb nail, sorry.
got one, it's great!!
Agreed. Thank you
Yeah. It's the tool people don't know that they need. Better than most rasps and files and every single surform (bleugh) I've ever used.
I have a few surforms and thought they were as good as I could get until I got this. Though, they did serve me well up to now. You never really know you need a tool until you know.
@@startmaking1 Good point!
The algorithm never presented your vids to me until today, but I approve of what you're doing. Subscribed.
Thank you MR. Great to have you aboard. Goodness only knows how the algorithm works., Mystery to me. By the way please dont worry if I do a mix of build, workshop and tool videos. there is always a tool one on the way if you like that in particular.
@@startmaking1 Glad to be on board!
It's weird. I hope to binge watch soon, but in the meantime, I'll mention Renaissance Wax and Boeshield T9.
ANYONE who has tools that are made out of iron or steel should know about these. They are not cheap - but are cheaper than replacing tools! They do keep the rust at bay on metal planes and chisels, and Renaissance Wax has many uses - such as stopping brass tarnishing and on polished stone - but I mainly use it on woodworking planes.
And if anyone does look into these, the other stuff the suppliers sell tends to be quite interesting too.
Thank you. I really appreciate good advice on products I have never encountered.
2:36 Lookin good bro!
Thank you.
Makes the old SurForm tools look a bit amateurish . Must get me one ! Thanks.
Hi Norman. Whatever tools you have got have clearly done a good job for you up to now. I find that when the time is right to add or replace a tool it feels natural. Maybe this is the time to get a rasp. At least it is not too pricey too.
Glad you found the saw rasp. I've been shaping things for years with one. Can't beat it for removing stock quickly. Next, you should be onto vintage "hand picked" files. That may not be the correct term, but what I mean is a file that a human has made each tooth on the file. I'm still using Grandpa's; mainly, because I use the old vinegar trick to keep them sharp and clean. Another, great video, Mark. Finally, when you get another old saw, you can learn how to sharpen and set the teeth. You aren't going to buy a modern saw as good. Cheers!
Hi. I was genuinely surprised. And not at all expensive. Now you are getting me tempted to buy more tools. That's usually my job . I actually. picked up a large and a small tenon saw in the auction lot I got, both look lovely, and brass backed. They are, however , blunt. Also my Japanese saw didn't like the screw it found and so needs some teeth realigning. I think that a learning weekend is in order for me. And soon. Should be a lot of fun.
@@startmaking1 Have a good weekend and keep on tooling.
@@themeat5053 Back at ya, Enjoy whatever you have going on.
I can easily beat it with a rotary rasp.
That's a good idea for cleaning up hardware!
IT was pointed out in the comments that if you do use vinegar and sand paper that you open fresh metal up for rust So you should oil afterwards. I did and had to take it out of the video as the letters wouldn't stick and there was swearing and then cleaning again. But for a general tool it was good advice to oil afterwards.
@@startmaking1 Oh yeah that is a great tip too. what kind of oil would you use?
@@ScarletEyeMoon to be honest, I use 3 in 1 oil on all my tools. But there are smarter people out there than me.
@@startmaking1 Yeah I guess even motor oil would work. What is 3 in 1 oil? I imagine 3 oils but what are they? Yeah there's always someone smarter but I sure enjoy learning from people like you and other wood workers
@@ScarletEyeMoon this stuff. www.screwfix.com/p/3-in-one-oil-drip-can-200ml/59982?kpid=59982&cm_mmc=Google-_-Datafeed-_-Auto%20and%20Cleaning?kpid=KINASEKPID&cm_mmc=Google-_-TOKEN1-_-TOKEN2&ds_rl=1243318&ds_rl=1241687&ds_rl=1245250&ds_rl=1245250&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3MmopPDw_wIVDIpoCR1o0g7QEAQYASABEgI_rvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I have one of these and like it. It certainly compares favourably with machine made rasps but I haven’t compared it with hand-stitched tools (I’m not made of money). Other videos have noted that the tip can be hard on fingers and offered two solutions. The first was a rubber ferrule from a walking stick jammed on the end. The other was to grind small depressions on the front and back of the relatively flat bit at the end to grip with finger and thumb.
Hi Eddie. Great advice. I didn't feel it as uncomfortable but I have very rough hands so maybe they dont tear up as easily. But I will definitely take a look and that would make a great short video to follow up as an improver. Thank you
@@startmaking1: Gloves would be helpful and you would not lose any length of stroke. 😁✌🖖
I used to wear gloves but people dont like seeing it. They tell me not to wear them. I get it for machines but using a rasp they would be great.
@@startmaking1 I am glad I don’t have a TH-cam channel because if someone told me not to use gloves when I thought they were appropriate that person would get a rather rude reply.
@@eddienew2044: Indeed! There are Many YT commenters, who
both ask for and deserve Very rude replies.
(and I give them when I think I won't offend others) 😁✌🖖
I bought one of these about 3 or 4 months ago and I love it. It works better than any other wood rasp I've used.
Hi Doug. Absolutely agree. Thank you
I used a Shinto rasp at Crimson Guitars and it roughed out the neck of the guitar I built there very quickly. If you can justify the price of the Iwisaki flat and half round files you will not be disappointed.
After having roughed out my neck with the Shinto rasp my instructor (Sean) had something he had to take care of so he said for me to sit at my desk and tidy the neck up with the Iwisaki files. He came back half an hour later, looked at my neck and said "I said use the files only, there's no point sanding it just yet". I told him that I had only used the files and not sanded and that there was no sand paper on my bench. He looked the neck up and down then said "very well done" to me.
I just had to buy a pair of those files and I use them for just about everything.
Incidentally, my guitar neck only took about 10 minutes of sanding at a later time.
If you would like to see my guitar then check out WOTB202 and WOTB203 here on TH-cam. I am Rik in them.
Hi Rik. I need to find the videos. Very interested in watching. Do I just search for WOTB202. I didn't find anything from an initial hunt on TH-cam. Love the story about the guitar. Well done,.
@@startmaking1 Hmm, looks like the vids are no longer available?!?
Oh that is a shame. I was looking forward to watching .
You made a comment about not having a bandsaw. I have two suggestions. One is to mount your jigsaw upside down kind of like a router table. The other is to buy a jewelers saw. The first is almost free, the second is cheap (20$). Both will serve you forever even if you get a bandsaw.
Thats a great idea. Thank you. In fact both are,.
Great video Mark! I'm not sure I'm going to be taking a rasp to my wood at home just yet though. 😂
Hiya Jason. Thank you as always . That should bring a tear to your eye I expect. lol
Hi just found channel. My only complaint is using vinegar to clean up saw blade. Yes, it works every day of the week, it's an acid. Use WD40, Inox, CRC any light oil. Unless you neutralise the acid, you will get rust back. Why is this so? with an abrasive medium you leave micro scoring in the plate, this is where the vinegar sits. The Shinto file is good but don't throw out your files so fast. Many wood working projects use different woods, so the Shinto may work really well on some but not so good on other timbers. An arsenal of tools maybe the way to go. But in life we try this, try that, what works in UK, USA, Australia, will differ, types of wood and conditions. So far like your channel stay safe.
Hi Robin. Thank you for your comment. And for your advice. I had to edit a fair amount for the video as it was so long. One part was where I washed the vinegar off and then applied a coat of 3 in 1 oil. The reason that I edited it out was because the letters didn't stick due to the oil and I had to in turn wipe most of that off. It was a real pain. But you are right, U have now left it open to rust annoyingly. I honestly had no idea about vinegar then abrasive, makes complete sense. And I take your point about the rasps and files. Again, to be honest, I changed the title as a last attempt to get people to notice the video. Create some intrigue if you like. The irony being that I used the needles files as much as the Shinto I guess. thank you for your comment again and for watching in the first place. Much appreciated,
@@startmaking1 I do understand as a creator of content you need to make your videos stand out. All good. Keep up giving content it helps people, this might help or it might not but sometimes a longer video is better than short, you are then imparting more information to new people, which is going to help them more, but people will always say o..it's to long, so I say skip forward. No problem but the new guy or girl will really appreciate the time you give. Cheers from Tasmania
Hi Robin. That is definitely a good point. For a more informative video, like a build or a 5 tools, 8 tools, one like that, I really like to take more time. You are right, people say it is too long but beginners like the info. I think I am finding a good time judgement but there are always tweeks, Thankyou
Great video great ideas
Thank you Jim. Much appreciated.
I gave several open mesh rasps they all do better than a solid body, but the woodchuck has one advantage with the wide woodchisel edge it can shave those raised fibres on edges. No need for two tools on problematic woods.
Oh wow. I had never heard of that before. 2 for one tool . Better get myself one to test. Thank you Brian.
@@startmaking1 This one is same company as the home depot one's but better quality industrial version "Nicholson File # WCSET3CMNN Wood Chuck Combination Chisel and Wood Rasp"
Brilliant Brian, thank you
I'm more of a power tool kind of guy but you've got me thinking. Great video.
Hi Adam. The thumbnail is a bit misleading in that regard I guess. It probably can be beaten by a power planer lol. Thankyou
@@startmaking1: For the demonstration you showed, a power planer would be butchery. 😁✌🖖
And scary
Yet another tool to add to my collection (somewhere.)
Fortunately it is not a dewalt. Should save you a bit of cash hopefully.
@@startmaking1 I looked but they don't make one🤗
shame.
I've carved a couple signs & have given them away. But I've had a Shinto rasp for 30 years. It doesn't get use daily but it easily removes wood when needed. I forget why I originally purchased it. but other than a small Stanley Surform tool, it's the only rasp I have. It came in real handy when fitting the railing on a small deck I built a few years ago. I always thought I wanted a couple more conventual rasps or some rifflers but both are expensive for good ones.
Hi bill. I suspect that it will be the tool that I dont always reach for but if I didn't have it I know it is going to be a long slog with one of my other files. That is also the added bonus, this is really cheap for what it does.
M8 once again 👏👏👏👏 think this was a great follow up video. Ive seen that rasp in so many channels and have looked at it so many times and thought that cant work cant be right. But seeing it do that a fear it may be sommit am gonna have to part my tightness with and purchase. Could be very helpful in my future projects. I bought the German supermarket branded ones few weeks agao and they've done not bad tbh but that seems great. Seriously though with what happened think this was awesome video to stick out today. Speak soon. 🏴👍 Ps am still waiting for my Camino shout out. 😂😂
Hey. Thank you. I wondered if this would take off loose bark but figured you are better with a grinding wheel. Might do a good job tidying up live edges though. You definitely deserve a shout out. More than deserve it. Hang fire though I have an idea.
@@startmaking1 yea deffo better a reckon with the wheel although would clean up the stray stuff nicely a reckon. M8 a was just kidding am just a guy with few ideas your the one putting the graft in. 🏴👍
@@michaelwillson6847 lol. Don't do yourself down. You have ideas, support, positivity, I could go on. We are part of a really great start making community and I am very lucky.
@@startmaking1 ok I'll accept that if u accept that your allot better at this than u give yourself credit for. 😂🏴👍
reluctantly I accept.
It appears the handle on yours is noticeably larger than mine. Yeah, the S was needed. It would be confusing on which kind of TART you were referring to.
Either one works, for me. 🙄🙄🤣 😁✌🖖
haha, brilliant.
Making me hungry for jam tarts now.
Love it, Mark! Although I want to request, if one of those letters ever falls off on camera, please leave it in or add it to the end as a "blooper" ;p
On a more serious note, what's your opinion on using a Dremel or other rotary tool for say, some of that fine detail removal work?
Hi Matthew. That's a deal. Now I want it to happen. A rotary tool once I have electricity down there would be such a time saver. one day.
Can you find the Shinto in the States?
Hi Paul. There should be a link to one on Amazon for the US. Let me know if it doesnt work please.
Do you have a coping saw? Seems like that would have made your whole letter process quite a bit quicker, or maybe I'm missing something.
Sadly not. That would certainly have helped. Though I have to say, the rasp did such a good job on the outsides I didnt miss a saw. Though on the inside it would have helped.
@@startmaking1 yea I’m totally getting a Shinto. You may mention to your following they’re like $19 at taytools and $40 at woodcraft for the same thing so purchase carefully.
Bargain. You wont be sorry.
Roughly, how much more effective is it than a horseshoe rasp?
That is an interesting question. I have to say that it would be job dependent of course. But I do believe that if nothing else this leaves a better finish easier. As for wood removal, that is an interesting thought for a quick experiment. Thank you
@@startmaking1 I've been considering getting a saw rasp for making guitar necks, as a normal rasp is difficult to get an even thickness with along the neck.
I've seen other people using saw rasps, some seem to even seem to be able to use them almost sideways, like a spokeshave, though without the bouncing and rattling on the hard wood.
There are quite a few people who have commented that this is exactly what they use the shinto for. And some of them are very experienced.
@@startmaking1 ah cool, thank you
im sure 100 people have said this , but , magnets in the letters
You are actually the first and now I am kicking myself for not thinking of it myself. A fully adjustable sign. Damn. Thank you
@@startmaking1 cool
you made me think of those fisher price alphabet🤓 fridge magnets came in coloured plastic
Oh yes. I still have one cluttering my fridge door. Should have taken inspiration,
Better than farrier's rasp?
From the general consensus, about the same, depending on the job. good question that is worth investigating for sure. Good excuse to buy another tool too.
Not only does the channel name need that S, you also need to make sure the t wasn't flipped over vertically upside down or that would be yet another channel altogether 😅
Oh yeah, you are right lol.
I have Surform rasps which I occasionally use and they do the job for the small amount of time I need them.
Hi. I always say that if you dont need a tool then you have saved money. I find that jobs come up where I can't not buy something and that is generally how I build my tools collection.
Japanese saw rasp. Yeah.
Thank you
If you can't afford one of these, buy a farriers hoof rasp of decent quality and it eats wood voraciously
I'll check them out. thank you.,
@@startmaking1
Best I have found is made by Heller and called the 'Excel Legend'
Try a Heller 'Excel Legend' - best I've come across
get yourself a cheap scroll saw for letters, save huge amount of time.
I would love to. I would love a band saw but all in good time I guess.
Scroll saw cheaper but do less with them. Bandsaw better for woodworking
Shinto Rasp, Ryoba Saw, Makita Tools...
Well, you're slowly getting shifted to japanese tools, aren't you :)
Btw, does the 2 hours Lighting Battery still an issue ?
If it is... maybe considering making a smart lighting setup using smart led strip ? Make it foldable ang hangable in the frech cleat section ?
Led Strip and White Acrylic sheet are pretty cheap, if I remember correctly
Hi NIto. Well noticed. I actually had that exact thought when I was popping the links into the description and actually took the Makita Jigsaw out. In truth Makita have not been great this week. I love the tools but the treatment I got was underwhelming. Sad as I wasn't asking for anything for free, just some useful info on a tool I was looking at. Anyway, yes the lights are an issue but I hope to have a big fix in place by mid August. fingers crossed. If it falls through though I will take a look at the Led replacement as the videos are suffering .
@@startmaking1 Yeah, Makita don't even have service center in my city.
But so far I only had 1 makita broke on me (trimmer).
The rest has been serving me well.for at least 5 years with almost consistent weekly use.
I'm glad to hear the Lighting solution will be done as soon as August.
Hopefully it will spur you to make more content per month
@@startmaking1: I have, over the years, found Japanese appliance/tool instructions to be very lacking. It seems to be assumed you are already an engineer/expert,
in whatever field is applicable and then, of course, there is the language/translation barrier.
30 years ago, I bought a Sony amplifier. It has a control labeled "Soundfield" but Nothing in the instructions, to explain what it is or how it affects the output.
I still have no idea what that means and no longer care. 🙄😣
A few years ago, I purchased a Zojirushi bread making machine (Excellent choice, Top shelf).
I emailed customer support , to ask if ambient room temperature affects the operation of the machine. The reply was a direct quote, from the instruction booklet, which told me Nothing.
I tried again at two, well separated, later dates and got the same BS reply. ☹😖
So, if an English speaking person buys anything Japanese, which requires instructions, you are on your own. 😁✌🖖
I hope so. There is a big change coming and I am excited. Don't want to sound cryptic but it is still only 90% decided. Will let everyone know soon.
Wow frustrating. I just emailed Makita and said something along the lines of please can you direct me to the right person to ask a question about a tool that I am thinking about getting. The reply said, sorry we are not looking to deal with and content creators through sponsorships. I hadn't even told them what I do. I replied saying just that and that I wanted nothing from them just some info and got the same reply. Really strange. I then started to get a little miffed and said that I use only Makita and maybe they should check a video or two to see how well I speak of them. They replied saying yes they had already checked it and were not looking to work with a creator. I never actually got to ask them about the reciprocating saw that I was thinking about buying. Shame.
I have 3 different ones (and japanese pull saws). They are ok for wood bashing up to oak, ash, beech(?). Would I use a shinto rasp on a £1000 walnut rifle stock blank?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! They are way too brutal and fast!
That's a really good insight. Thank you.
Throw away old ones you will buy me the new ones thanks.
Lol. If I could, I would. Thank you
scam.
hmmm. Ok.
Hello ... I would disagree with you, this is a drywall file as far as I know ... There are many files of various sizes and shapes for wood as well as metal ... wood files do much much better edging than yours plaster file !
Hi Zeliko. Thank you for your interesting comment. I am not sure that you are right but, then I am not claiming to be an expert. I was under the impression that the Shinto Rasp File's primary purpose is wood but can also be used for Plaster as a secondary use. Also from the experience I have had, and again I am no expert and have not used all of the files out there, but I have nothing that can remove wood as fast or as cleanly as this. Which files are you considering to be better. I am genuinely interested in learning.
I’ve used this for removing wood and it’s the ideal tool for tasks such as carving guitar necks.