Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@renatobritto4096 Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L ' Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
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Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
Two things: First: the first powered flight now confirmed was performed by Gustave Whitehead. Second: Santos Dumont designed an airplane called the Demoiselle which was made to be for the broad masses in 1907, and its design is still in use with many light aircraft today. It is the very first plane to use a modern airframe layout. So Santos Dumont had a very big impact on history after all, even bigger than the Wrights. watch?v=HrZ7ZgrDOCQ
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France? Furthermore, when Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.
@@jindlespog8045 Why would a flight that was not witnessed by an official of the Aero club or FAI have the same status as one that had an expert witness? The FAI refused to accept one of Wright's records until Wilbur took off on skids and avoided using the catapult. The Wright flights were not public. Usually had less than a dozen witnesses. Were not witnessed by a member of the Aero club. And, were not filmed. Are you sure there was no distinction in the level of certification?
@myfabian94 (7 years ago) SB: There is now a well produced documentary on Whitehead. I presume that MYFABIAN is talking about the old book or the statement of a former editor of Janes. Neither count as a factual confirmation. I think that Whitehead may have gotten a prototype flying machine off the ground. The replica of the Lilienthal winged prototype 21 can hop so perhaps there was an original that also hopped. The original motor kind of works but there is no evidence yet that it produced the claimed 30 hp. The replica used two modern ROTAX engines and flew in one direction. The length of the hop is not stated. Orville thought that it had to be over 600 ft. to be considered more than a hop.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@johnt3606 It definitely means I have more knowledge than a random guy who simply uses google as a source. Additionally, studying aviation history is literally my main hobby. And finally, the FAA, EASA, and ICAO (the international aviation body that basically govern aviation around the world) recognize the Wrights as being first. Hell, in 1905 the Wright Flyer III performed a 39 minute flight spanning almost 39km, months before Dumont's short, uncontrolled hop into ground effect (which is not proper sustained flight might I add).
According to the rules established by the Aero Club of France, which at that time was the most prestigious aeronautical institution in the world, only the inventions of machines that would: - Could take off autonomously - Were completely controlled by the pilot - Whose demonstrations were supervised by the institution's committee, which could only happen in France. (Santos Dumont was there first, in 1906, when the wright brothers went there only in 1908). Taking this into account, Santos Dumont WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE FIRST FLIGHT with a flying machine heavier than air autonomously and with the presence of the Evaluation Committee of the Aeroclube de France. We can say that the wings developed by the wright brothers was crucial to evolution of airplanes, but still... Santos Dumont was the first to fulfill the requirements established by the Aero Club of France.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
Mas temos que ser honestos, 1906 Santos Dumond fez o primeiro voo documentado com toda a imprensa convidada mas foram 80 metros de distância há 5 de altura em linha reta. 14 bis fazia curvas mas bem lentas e pouco angulares e quanto mais alto, mais sofria com o impacto do vendo pq o Santos Dumond não conseguiu projetar areo-dinamica pra fazer curvas em segurança até o aquele momento, 1908 os Wright fizeram um voo longo de mais de meia hora aí sim, com a imprensa, fazendo curvas e tudo, atingindo até 100 metros de altura, mesmo o equipamento sendo CATAPULTADO de uma rampa porque o motor não tinha potência para decolar por própria força... por isso que o Lobby americano convence o mundo que foram eles. Muito dinheiro do governo americano envolvido. Quando o Santos Dumond apresentou o Demoiselle, ai sim, voando por 40 minutos sobre toda Paris e fazendo acrobacias, mas mais iportante decolando por FORÇA PRÓPRIA... Já era tarde, o feito dos Wright já tinha tomado todos os jornais da europa e estados unidos.
@@robsonborba6273 Sorry, but you're wrong. The following newspapers documented the Wrights' flights during 1903-1905: *"Airship Flight is a Success," The San Francisco Call, December 18, 1903, Page 1, Image 1, col. 7. *"A Machine that Flies," The Times Dispatch (Richmond, VA)0, December 19, 1903, Page 5, Image 5, col. 1. *"High Gale No Bar to Flying Machine," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), December 19, 1903, Page 10, Image 10, col. 1" *"Airship was a Great Success: The Wright brothers Give Out a Statement Regarding Their Recent Experiments," The Minneapolis Journal (Minneapolis, MN), January 5, 1904, Page 1, Image 1, col. 1. *"Ohio Inventors Claim Success in Flight," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), January 7, 1904, Page 3, Image 3, col. 4. "*A Machine that Flies: The Wright Brothers Declare that They Have Solved the Problem of Navigating the Air," The Watchman and Southern (Sumter, SC), January 13, 1904, Page 7, Image 7, col. 3. *"Flying machine that Flies," The San Francisco Call, (San Francisco, CA), October 9 1904, Page 13, Image 13, col 5-7. I could continue for another one hundred pages, but I've made my point.
It happened to Charles Darwin. He discovered that Alfred Russel Wallace had the same idea as he did about evolution by natural selection. They cooperated instead of competing, because science
It is possible and had the Wrights been unable to improve their 1903 Wright Flyer prototype their claims would have been as suspect as those by Whitehead. Whitehead No. 21 flight th-cam.com/video/Ucm80BYUXEE/w-d-xo.html Here are some links: en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Wright_brothers_patent_war airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/wright-brothers/online/fly/1903/patenting.cfm www.libraries.wright.edu/special/wrightbrothers/patents www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/wright/lesson.html
The Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft.
Wright brothers crafted a good glider and they didn't prove that their project really fly in a certify flight until 1908 (they tried several times but they failed) . On the other hand, the Brazilian Santos Dumont invented the real airplane and he proved it flying in Paris in a certified flight. His airplane , 14 BIS, flew by it's own forces and came back to the same point. Santos Dumont is the real father of Aviation. Wright Brothers plane was very weak with less than 15HP (only can fly with a strong wind or catapulted), Santos Dumont plane had 50 HP and it flew at any weather conditions.
So the public flights that were documented in 1905 a year before Santos Dumont's first flight didn't happen? your Brazilian nationalist propaganda is just that, nationalist propaganda.
Santos-dumont was never able to return to his place of departure you are mixing up the 1908 flight with the 2008 Flight of the look-alike replica of Alan call La Casa
My great-great-grandfather invented the airplane in 1902. I have here with me several letters and leaflets from journalist friends of his that prove this
The Wrights began their flying in the soft dunes of Kill devil Hills, where wheels wouldn't have worked. Later they operated from Huffman Prairie, which was a hummocky and rutted cattle pasture that likewise prevented using a wheeled undercarriage. But being bicycle designers and manufacturers (not just repair and sales) did influence their aircraft, most notably with their discovery that an aircraft, just like a bicycle, requires a measure of designed-in _instability_ in order to be maneuverable.
Mike is wrong when he says the 1903 Wright flyer needed a catapult to takeoff. The 1st 4 flights on 17 December 1903 did NOT use a catapult. The demonstration flights later did.
1906 is before 1903, Dumont flew in front of French people, but the Wrights only flew in front of Americans, a 700 foot hop is better than a 25 mile flight lasting 35 minutes, and Whitehead flew downhill and crashed which is better than flying figure 8's and landing safely 30 feet from where you took off.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
What about Shivkar Talpade of India? I heard he invented the first heavier than air craft in 1895, but since there was no media attention, the world didn't know about it. I have tried fact checking this however, and the only result with much substance, was a video on TH-cam narrated in Indian language, with no option for translation. Surely he would have been well documented by now in world history in any case.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
"I don't know." Quite possibly the best answer to many questions in life. As Feynman said, "...but I'm not absolutely sure of anything, and of many things I don't know anything about, but I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened by not knowing things..."
What speaks volumes is the fact that Dumont abandoned all of his ideas behind the 14-bis the minute the Wright brothers appeared on the scene. He copied the Wright brothers specifications for a wing and propeller in addition to copying the Wright brothers flight control system. He realised that he had been pursuing nothing but a self-propelled box kite.
One of the things that I remember best from my Aviation courses in college was just how specific you have to be when talking about "firsts in flight." The montgolfiers were the first lighter than air, the wrights were the first powered, heavier than air, and there are records for first fliers in all the continents, the first aviation businesses, and the first long distance flights... aviation history is dominated by records. Not to mention zeppelins and dirigibles... sheesh.
you must remember that HISTORY is corrupted by so many forces. EX: both left and right wing press ALL hailed Giuliani and Bloomturd as messiahs. WHAT EVIDENCE did they have to believe these Total Lies? A: these two NYC mayors GAVE FAKE STATS to the press (who got BILLION$ in secret corporate welfare from.... these two GOP NYC mayors! hmmm!) -- get it? EXACT same sham as the Wright Brothers and a zillion other fraudsters. TODAY, the entire MSM admits they LIED about Vietnam, er, The Afghanistan War, er, Giuliani and Bloomberg being brilliant men!
@@dumpygoodness4086 Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@johnt3606 Please face the reality that Santos Dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the Desmoiselle 20 with tech he stole from the Wright Brothers. He copied a Wright Brothers propeller and Wright Brothers wing warping. The 14-bis was a failure. Go watch the 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris that shows nothing but a short little hop. No flight. Watch it and see for yourself. There are many copies of the 1906 film on TH-cam. No flight, only a short hop. That's why Santos Dumont abandoned the 14-bis and built a totally different airplane. Watch it and see for yourself. Film doesn't lie.
After sacrificing himself to prevent global nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis, others took up The Rocketeer's mantle (rudder helmet). We actually came up with an entire backstory for this.
@brasileiros Silva This anti-Wright article is easy to critique but so far no one has made an effort to do so. If someone wants to identify a particular alleged lie, I will address it. m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2Fd9ze28znylkmd2lzvy5za1mnofpzzpsd
Justice for the soul of Alberto Santos Dumont. The Father of his inventions and the first to create an aircraft and flying in it by himself, alone! Justice have been claimed!
@@Glen.Danielsen Of course. He not only flew the 14-bis, as he controled it. 14-bis had 3 axis controls . In the internet you find many videos about it's replicas flying.
@@sanpol4399 That is interesting. I like how the 14-bis had abundant vertical stabilizers in its design-brilliant. Still, on October 5, 1905, Wilbur Wright made a circling flight of 38.9 km (24 mi) in 39 minutes 23 seconds, over Huffman Prairie near Dayton, Ohio, a year before Santos-Dumont's 50 m (160 ft) flight earned him his first aviation award. Also, written and photographic documentation authenticated by historians shows that the 1903 Wright Flyer accomplished takeoffs in a strong headwind without a catapult and made controlled and sustained flight; nearly three years before Santos-Dumont made his first heavier-than-air takeoff.
@@Glen.Danielsen 14-bis flight speed was/is slow, so, I agree with you it was brilliant not only the vertical stabilizers but the horizontal stabilizers to be big in order to be responsive and not having the catastrophic stall on the horizontal stabilizers that the Flyers chronically had. Actually there is no proof of any Flyer flight before 1908. You also will not find any article in serious newspapers or magazines about those supposed Flyer flights before 1908. Just after. There are some 14-bis perfect replicas built so far, all of them fly easily and replicate the historical flights. Do you know any replica of any Flyer model that can fly sustained ?
@@sanpol4399 The fact that flying replicas of the Wright Flyer are not extant means nothing. And your information is false. The Wright’s disposition was to protect their copyright ambitions, hence their early flights were not publicized greatly. They documented their own successes, and historians have authenticated their documents. You want to demean their work; I suggest you can your con.
@@Glen.Danielsen My post was a bit long but the information was correct. Even historians can not go against laws of physics. I will make you a simple question, please, try to be skeptical about it. But if you feel uncomfortable, no problem not answering it straight : Have you seen any Flyer replica making a sustained flight? Yes or not ?
You talking about the side mission in which you help the guy make the glider and he ends up crashing and dying? Just looked it up and his name was Charles Kinnear. May have been partially based on that guy though.
The Wrights had the only flying airplane. They solved the adverse yaw problem before anyone else had encountered the problem at all. The others hadn't solved it because they had never flown long enough to even encounter the problem! But, completely overlooked is the group (supposedly non-profit) including Curtiss talked the Wrights into explaining how the center of pressure moved on the wing. Read "Takeoff Into Greatness" by Grover Loening. This never gets mentioned amongst other things more easily understood by laymen. The story is first-hand in Loening's book. Grover learned to fly from Orville Wright.
None of Santos Dumont's planes flew until the Desmoiselle 20 in 1909. The film of the original 14-bis in Paris shows nothing but a short little hop. Go see for yourself. There are several copies of this film on TH-cam. Nothing but a short little hop.
The flight of over 100 m was not filmed because it took place at dusk and there was not enough light for a motion picture.. At one time there was a lot of footage. Hardly any of it exists today. 100 m is roughly 100 yards. The length of a football field. That was certainly more than a hop in 1907.
I always thought whoever invented flying could not do that and die trying to invent it that’s why I always questioned the wright brothers it had to be perfected over time
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft.
@chas1422: SB: The comment is a joke. The Wrights had several patents in addition to the one for controlled flight. They might have tried to get a patent on hopping but they never tried to get one for standing :-). They may have claimed to be the first to fly in a manned rigid winged heavier than air machine with 3 axis control. Perhaps it was similar to Santos Dumonts 1906. They both had the means to control up-down, left right motion. They may have been able to complete the hops without using it. The 3 of the 4 1903 alleged fights failed to prove the ability to bank and turn. They were unidirectional and required minimal use of the crafts lateral control abilities. It is strange to argue that "no one every talks" about the Wright Brothers on a discussion of the Wright Brothers. There is an interesting Google Ngram chart that tracks the number of mentions in books and newspapers Santos Dumont peaked in the early 1900. The Wrights have had many more mentions in recent years.
@@stevebett4947 Yes my comment was a joke. The "WRONG" brothers as opposed to the "WRIGHT" brothers. The "WRONG" brothers tried to get a patent "STANDING ON THE GROUND". It was intended to be amusing, please do not take seriously.
There are videos of 5 prototypes of the first ion propelled aircraft to carry its power supply, that can be watched by clicking the purple channel icon to the left. The device can fly on one side and use the fixed collectors as wings, but it doesn't need to fly in that manner, since it is capable of sustained VTOL flight. Much of the news on this subject is just plain wrong or unbelievably twisted. I hope our history of the Wrights etc. is more accurate!
After carefully observing you guys for a while, in person, on video, and through your work, I've finally locked down which Ghostbusters cast members you guys are. Craig is Bill Murray, Matt is Harold Ramis, Ryan is Dan Aykroyd, so David is Ernie Hudson, I guess. And Sam...Rick Moranis.
Conor Matchett read imbecile. The Wright Brothers and Their Claims NEW! An interesting collection of old articles about the 1903 - 1905 "flights" of the Wright brothers. The Wright brothers contributed nothing to the progress of powered flight before 1908.Starting with Dec. 17 1903, they constantly made ridiculous claims about spectacular flights, allegedly performed in the interval 1903 - 1905, refusing, in the same time, to publish pictures or technical drawings of their machines under the pretext they wanted to sell them. Aviation appeared in 1906 without the help of the two brothers from Dayton.  NEW FREE BOOK! Amos Root the liar number four after he Wright brothers and their mentor, Octave Chanute A. I. Root was a businessman from Medina, Ohio who had a passion for heavier than air flying machines. In February 1904 he sent a letter to the Wright brothers saying that he wanted to see some of their trials. He met the two inventors during the summer of 1904 and in the January 1, 1905, issue of his periodical "Gleanings in Bee Culture" he claimed he had seen Wilbur Wright flying his plane in a circuit on September 20, 1904. However, his numerous letters to the Wrights, and other articles he wrote in connection to them, show that Amos Root did not see that spectacular flight. He just lied with the consent of the two brothers, who approved his January 1, 1905, article, before being printed, and latter used Root's this text as evidence in an attempt to convince the people that they were the firsts who flew planes. Fortunately their fraud was discovered. If you read the book you will have a clear understanding of how these two fraudsters and international swindlers from Dayton tried to fool the world. The 2003 flying replica of Flyer I 1903 couldn't fly more than 115 feet (35 m) The 2003 accurate replica [1] of the Wright brothers' plane, tested on December 17, 1903, was not able to do more than short flights. None of its takeoffs came close to the claimed 59 seconds flight performed on December 17, 1903. What the 2003 experiment really showed was that the plane from 1903 could have been theoretically able to take off and fly chaotically for 100 - 115 feet, no more. Flyer I was uncontrollable and not capable to execute a sustained flight. The tests from 2003 demonstrated that the Wright brothers had exaggerated, at best, the performances of their claimed 1903, 59 seconds flight.   1) "On November 20, 2003, Dr. Kevin Kochersberger piloted the 1903 Wright Experience Replica Flyer. With 15-18 mph winds he flew a distance of nearly 100 feet."2) "December 3, 2003 test flight of the Wright Experience 1903 Wright Flyer Replica. Dr. Kevin Kochersberger was at the controls and piloted the Flyer for a distance of 115 feet. Slight cross wind after initial rotation which is compensated with slight wing warp." The instability of Flyer I had been already predicted by prof. Fred Culick who tested in the wind tunnel another replica, different from the one that flew in 2003: ""They built it and then drew as they went along," said Fred Culick, professor of aerodynamics at the California Institute of Technology and chief engineer on Cherne's team. …" Cherne's group, working mainly on weekends in a warehouse donated by a rocket company in El Segundo, finished what they considered an exact replica. Then in 1998 they tested it at NASA's Ames Research Center near Sunnyvale, Calif. Three weeks of wind-tunnel tests of their Wright Flyer replica "clearly showed how unstable it was and how it can't be flown safely," said Culick." Source: community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20031008&slug=wright08 ^
On October 5 1905 the Wright flyer III flew for 40 minutes covering 24 miles. On November 12 1906 Santos-Dumont flew a kite-like contraption with boxy wings called the 14-Bis some 722 feet Tell me again how Dumont flew first
Trow things in the air and say that that they fly is one way to see things, I guess, also... Why the secrecy? To me looks like loonies want some glory for something that they claim they did... Santos Dumont fulfill all pre request from the aerial comitee in France... In 1906. While the Wright brothers only show their faces there in 1908... So, tell me again, how do you expect that people believe in that if your guys didn't even won the prize? Wright brothers give the last piece of the puzzle, I give them that, but they didn't "invented" the airplane besides, Santos Dumont already was a genius that made the first controlled flight in human history, way before Wright brothers have their idea, in fact, the idea of a self propeled flying machine came directly from Santos Dumont and it's dirigible. But ok, maybe the Wright brothers did invented, first, but lose the opportunity be uncontested because of their greed. While Santos Dumont, much like Tesla, want that people could fly and he give the esquematics of his plane Demoisele for free to anybody that want to fly. You Americans are full of "controversy"...
@@antjack2602 where's the goddanm PROOF? Santos Dumont fly in front of a crowd, was in accordance with the rules in the specified place required. While the wrong brothers fly only for a few eye witness? Seriously? Do you want i believe in that, HOW? No doubt that the brothers did improve their project in 1908 (but so did Dumont, with his Demoisele in 1907), yet no one ever knew about the Wright brothers, even the Smithsonian didn't credit then at the time... By the way... The brothers could easily aquire the squematics of Demoisele (Wich are available to the public) and make their own improvements in their flyer 3, then presenting their plane as something new in Paris at 1908... But before that only the Americans have ever heard about them, and even so only heard about their deeds, no one have nothing besides a picture of the flyer one. Besides I picture, a telegram that could be interpreted in several ways... The brothers are just crooks trying to capitalize over others creatian, and this is a pattern that repeat itself in your country even to this day...
Elson Felix On 3, 4, and 5 October 1905, the Wrights made their first public flights since May of 1904, inviting friends, reporters, and upstanding folks they thought would make good witnesses. On 5 October 1905, Wilbur flew for 39.5 minutes, covering 24 miles (38 kilometers) before the gasoline in the new 3-gallon (11.3 liters) tank ran out. www.wright-brothers.org/Information_Desk/Just_the_Facts/Airplanes/Flyer_III.htm
Alberto Santos Dumont was born on July 20th, 1873, in Minas Gerais {MG}, in a cottage named Cabangu, near the city that today takes his name. Soon, the family left MG, and the Dumonts set themselves, in 1879, around Ribeirão Preto-São Paulo {SP}, they started a successful coffee farm. Alberto's childhood was mostly inside this farm and when young, he studied for a brief period in Campinas (SP). In 1892, Dumont began a training period in Paris, private classes. Alberto has never had a regular training. He was a sportsman, as one friend of this period reported: "Little applied student, or rather, nothing studious for the "Theories", but admirable practical and mechanical talent and of an inventive genius. " In 1897, he returned to Paris and began to dedicate to balloons and airships. He built several models airships and created an aircraft called "14bis" which allows him to have the recognition for being the first homologated flight of history, this deed took place in the field of Bagatelle, on November 12th,1906, in Paris, France. Santos Dumont knew that 14bis was not a practical airplane. In the period of less than an year, he idealized, built and tested five new inventions. On November 16th, 1907, in Bagatelle, only seven months after the last flight of 14-bis, Santos-Dumont was already doing the inaugural flight, about 200 m, of his newest invention: the revolutionary No. 19, the "Demoiselle", tiny, simple and light. It was a very advanced, high-performance aircraft, fast, extremely simple and compact. It would take off in a 70 m runway. The Demoiselle had as fuselage a single rod of bamboo. Although to take off and fly, it was clear that this new model had serious structural problems. Considering various Demoiselle models developed from 1907 to 1909, models nº 19, 20, 21 and 22, Santos-Dumont was introducing technical innovations and enhancements. For these models, he would use engines of 20 to 35 Hp and he strutured the fuselage with three bamboo rods in the shape of a triangle. In 1909, some factories started production of No. 20, Santos Dumont had made available to who wanted Demoiselle's plans and details, since he did not patent his inventions, which should be shared by all mankind. This invention was the preferred mean of Santos Dumont personal transport while visiting friends, around Paris. The Demoiselle was sold to an aspiring pilot who later would be one of the greatest aces of World War I: Roland Garros (1882-1918). After Santos Dumont publishing the plans of Demoiselle number 20 and also allowing some companies to build it, the aircraft was copied and became a popular model. The Demoiselle was the first airplane manufactured in series on Earth. By the end of 1909, more than 40 had been built and sold by the price of a medium size car back at that time. Some books record that more than 300 Demoiselles have been built until today, and with a surprising mark of not having had a single fatal accident.
He's indeed a reference when we talk about being an arcraft inventor, and not to mention Dumont's contribution for airships. As much as the Wright brothers want to be remembered for being the fist to fly, Dumont should be remembered for inventing the plane on his own and in my modest evaluation, he deserves to be called: Father of Aviation.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@Cruzeiro5x02008e2009 Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
There were two contests. One to see who could fly 50 m and one to see who could be the first to fly 100 m. 100m is roughly 100 yards or the length of a football field. The actual flight was a little longer, perhaps 200 yards. (600 ft). A flight of less than 600 ft. was a hop according to the Wright brothers. The 2nd flight of the 14 -bis may have been more than a hop. This flight was at dusk after most of the crowd had left. There wasn't enough light to film it. There were a few official witnesses from the Aero-Club to attest to the accomplishment.
🤣🤣🤣The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane.
In April 1903, Octave Chanute, the Wrights guest at Kitty Hawk during the glider experiments in 1901 and 1902, was invited to give a lecture to the Aero Club of France. In his illustrated lecture, he provided a summary of the Wrights gliding experiments, including how they were able to execute controlled turns of their glider using wingwarping. When the Wrights demonstrated flying execution in Paris light years ahead of Santos, the Euro club in France had no doubt that Chanutes claims as a witness and the Wrights claim of a successful flight before Santos was true.The flights spoke volumes about the years of perfecting the wing warping system. The flights also spoke volumes about the time it would take to develop pilot skills to fly such a plane. Flying the Bis14 is nothing as it leaves the ground by about 5 to 6 feet and nothing else and has no meaningful steering.
Uhm, but there's no proof, so whatever. First controlled flight was Santos Dummont, in Paris. By the way, it was not the first time he had flown his 14-bis plane anyway, he did it before the presentation, but again, no proof, so, it doesn't matter.
@@yurirobert3207 the demonstrations of the 14bis were not controlled flight. Dummont did not make turns of any significance. In demonstrations he was at the mercy of the wind. The French believed the Wright brothers had every reason to believe the Wright brothers because in their flights in the demonstrations they could not be doing what they were doing unless they had years to master being pilots. On the other hand literally anybody with a bit of practise could duplicate what do Dummont was doing with his plane. That is why today literally anybody with a bit of practise can carry out the demonstrations of the 14bis replicas. Then we get to watch every one of them abort take off or fail to take off if the slightest crosswind comes up. That is because it is not controlled flight and never was.
I believe that the only thing that supposedly wright brothers were first at ,was getting it to press, I believe it was a Frenchmah who was first ,and flew further.
So the Wright Brothers got all the credit for innovation, and started suing everyone who made something remotely similar to what they did? Oh God, they were the Apple of the 20th Century.
The humanity invented the airplane but Santos Dumont was the first one to invent the first plane without needing anything to took off. He took off on his own
I think that you it would be interesting if you made a video talking about the history of the human flight, from when Abbas bin Firnas tried to fly by attaching feathers to himself until the current date.
Great video! I like the idea of how sometimes we might warp definitions to suit the circumstances, because sometimes we just don't have the "answer" until we make it up. Also, great montage towards the end acknowledging all those who contributed.
I very-very rarely give a video a thumbs down. I did on this one because there is only one truth. State the facts and stick to them. "Why does it matter who was first?" That's some "everybody gets a trophy" BS if I've ever heard it. 😄 I'm also not completely in favor of profits at all costs, block your competition with nonsense patents, and crush your enemies, so there has to be a balance.
there was this convergence of inventors racing to develop it, they just "happened" to be at the Wright place at the Wright time? anyone? anyone? Beuller?
The modern replica of the 14-bis only flies with a modern engine and a modern propeller. Fake replicas prove nothing. The original 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris shows nothing but a short little hop. Go watch it and see for yourself. Just a short little hop.
Although not found here, there is a rational argument in support of the Brazilian position. It should not be dismissed just because most Brazilians who comment usually use short jokes or insults rather than a reasoned discussion. The argument is that the performance requirements in the published description of the rules for the Archdeacon prize identify empirical facts. The 1906 flights of the 14-bis flights is the first fact based flights. The requirements may include professional witnesses from the French Aero Club along with film documentation of an announced public flight. Most of the flights completed by the Wrights were little more than a proof of concept and were not announced or witnessed by " the public ". I am not sure why they worried because they sold replicas of their gilders and planes to members of the French Aero Clubs. They were sold without a manual or an explanation of how to make them work. A number of Flyer look likes were built, but no one figured out wing warping or the secret of controlled flight. Even with the publication of the patent in 1906, no one seems to have discovered the secret. The secrecy strategy seems to be inconsistent at best. The Wrights published a paper which attempted to list the proof for the claims. I have yet to find the full version. This was sufficient for the American Aero Club to endorse the Wright claims. It would not be sufficient for most Brazilian critics. One of the proofs for the circular flights is their description by Amod Root. The same publication is used by a Wright critic to prove that it was all a lie. Santos Dumont contracted Voisin to build an airframe with wheels and a motor mount. He did and based it on his experiment with a stable Hargrave box kite wing glider on pontoons. The elevator was a fixed 2 cell box kite wing ahead of the main wing. There was no need for a pilot because there was no control. The pilot cou;d be replaced with a 150 lb. weight The glider was towed by a motorboat. .
2:54 if it depends on the right wind conditions to take off, it isn't an airplane. A true airplane can generate lifting force greater than it's weight with it's owb power alone. If it depends on winds, catapults or being launched from a higher ground, it's a glider not a plane. Also, when the wright's heard of santos dummont self powered flight in 1906, they claimed they had already invented it, but it took another 2 years for them to present a working prototype, in 1908. So, if they already flew before 1906, why didn't they presented their model right after claiming it? Did they scrap the first successful airplane? Is that what we're supposef to believe? P.S. the true merit for the invention of the airplane should be credited to the developers of the internal combustion engine. That was the real key to achieve heavier than air flight.
When Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.
The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane.
Here's a small sampling of reportage devoted to the Wrights' flights during 1903-1905: *"Airship Flight is a Success," The San Francisco Call, December 18, 1903, Page 1, Image 1, col. 7. *"A Machine that Flies," The Times Dispatch (Richmond, VA)0, December 19, 1903, Page 5, Image 5, col. 1. *"High Gale No Bar to Flying Machine," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), December 19, 1903, Page 10, Image 10, col. 1" *"Airship was a Great Success: The Wright brothers Give Out a Statement Regarding Their Recent Experiments," The Minneapolis Journal (Minneapolis, MN), January 5, 1904, Page 1, Image 1, col. 1. *"Ohio Inventors Claim Success in Flight," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), January 7, 1904, Page 3, Image 3, col. 4. "*A Machine that Flies:The Wright Brothers Declare that They Have Solved the Problem of Navigating the Air," The Watchman and Southern (Sumter, SC), January 13, 1904, Page 7, Image 7, col. 3. *"Flying machine that Flies," The San Francisco Call, (San Francisco, CA), October 9 1904, Page 13, Image 13, col 5-7. I could continue for another one hundred pages, but I've made my point.
Way to respond to the commenters. Another very informative video. I think more than the question of who was really the first inventor of the airplane, it's more interesting to realize that in different countries or cultures, there are different notions of who should be getting the credit. Just think of all the information we take for granted (not just about this) that could actually be very different depending on where (or when) we learned it.
The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
2:44 OH A GET IT NOW IS NOT A "CATAPULT" HE NEED JUST A RAIL AND MORE POWER, BECAUSE HE CAN´T FLY BY HIM SELF, MY BAD, IS NOT A CATAPULT, IS A GIANT MEDIEVAL BALISTA USED IN A SHIT GLIDER, AND NOT A "CATAPULT" USED IN A SHIT GLIDER MY BAD IN THIS "BIG DIFFERENCE" , OK SO... YES IS THE SAME SHIT AGAIN YOU LIKE OR NOT OR "PLANE" IS SHIST A SHIT GLIDER, WITH CONTROLS.
Any history TV show usually has to end with some defintie statement simplifying things. I am glad you didn't and point out the complexities of reality and how things aren't always black and white and can be changed to fit ones viewpoint just by defining something the way it suits one. Really interesting about the Wright's patent too. You should do a video about the advantages and disadvantages of copyright and where it stalled or sped up technological or cultural advancements.
Qualquer tolo inteligente consegue fazer coisas maiores e mais complexas. É necessário um toque de gênio -- e muita coragem para ir na direção oposta. (Albert Einstein)
Alberto Santos-Dumont, airplane, not a catapulted glider.
RUSSIANS FIRST TO MOON! Read Bill Kaysing's 1976 book WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON: AMERICA'S THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS SWINDLE
@@Tempusverum Santos DRUMOND!
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@jindlespog8045 because there's no actual clue they flied
@@johnt3606 Your bad English exposes you as another brazilian troll. Please delete your fake account, troll.
Santos Dummont > Wright Brothers
america = Donald Trump and ALWAYS did: FAKE. DISHONEST. GREEDY. CHILDISH. etc etc. No one can compare Edison to Tesla!
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@jindlespog8045 Santos dummont invented the airplane!! 🛬✈️👌😎😎🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😎😎🚀🚀🚀👏💃💃💃💃
@@renatobritto4096 Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L ' Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@jindlespog8045 😎🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷😎🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷 SANTOS DUMMOND INVENTED THE AIRPLANE, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, CREATED THE FIELD OF ROCKET SCIENCE, COMPUTER SCIENCE, QUANTUM PHYSICS AND SINGLE-HANDEDLY WON WORLD WAR 1 AND 2 🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷😎🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷😎😎🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😎😎🇧🇷🇧🇷😎🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😎😎🇧🇷
O inventor do avião foi Santos Dumont.
Wright Brothers = ANGRY BIRDS :D
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@TrustBustin ad hominen? C'mom....
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@@jindlespog8045 why tf you repeating the same shit over and over in every single fucking comment? Shut the fuck up already
@jindlespog8045 "First flight" in 1093, the same as in 2003 for the Flyer's centenary celebrations, is that it?😅
Two things:
First: the first powered flight now confirmed was performed by Gustave Whitehead.
Second: Santos Dumont designed an airplane called the Demoiselle which was made to be for the broad masses in 1907, and its design is still in use with many light aircraft today. It is the very first plane to use a modern airframe layout. So Santos Dumont had a very big impact on history after all, even bigger than the Wrights. watch?v=HrZ7ZgrDOCQ
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Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
Furthermore, when Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.
@@jindlespog8045 pirate parrot? screech screech, repeat, repeat... all you know only.
@@jindlespog8045 Why would a flight that was not witnessed by an official of the Aero club or FAI have the same status as one that had an expert witness?
The FAI refused to accept one of Wright's records until Wilbur took off on skids
and avoided using the catapult.
The Wright flights were not public. Usually had less than a dozen witnesses. Were not witnessed by a member of the Aero club. And, were not filmed.
Are you sure there was no distinction
in the level of certification?
@myfabian94 (7 years ago)
SB: There is now a well produced documentary on Whitehead.
I presume that MYFABIAN is talking about the old book or the statement of a former editor
of Janes. Neither count as a factual confirmation.
I think that Whitehead may have gotten a prototype flying machine off the ground.
The replica of the Lilienthal winged prototype 21 can hop so perhaps there was an original that also hopped.
The original motor kind of works but there is no evidence yet that it produced the claimed 30 hp.
The replica used two modern ROTAX engines and flew in one direction. The length of the hop is not stated.
Orville thought that it had to be over 600 ft. to be considered more than a hop.
The first official flight record was from Santos Dumont.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@jindlespog8045 you're thirsty for attention are you? wright brothers didn't have any clue of the flight
@@johnt3606 Please shut up. Sincerely, a MIFR commercial pilot.
@@9999AWC and? Being a pilot doesn't mean you suddenly have knowledge of everything related to aviation in the world.
@@johnt3606 It definitely means I have more knowledge than a random guy who simply uses google as a source. Additionally, studying aviation history is literally my main hobby. And finally, the FAA, EASA, and ICAO (the international aviation body that basically govern aviation around the world) recognize the Wrights as being first. Hell, in 1905 the Wright Flyer III performed a 39 minute flight spanning almost 39km, months before Dumont's short, uncontrolled hop into ground effect (which is not proper sustained flight might I add).
According to the rules established by the Aero Club of France, which at that time was the most prestigious aeronautical institution in the world, only the inventions of machines that would:
- Could take off autonomously
- Were completely controlled by the pilot
- Whose demonstrations were supervised by the institution's committee, which could only happen in France. (Santos Dumont was there first, in 1906, when the wright brothers went there only in 1908).
Taking this into account, Santos Dumont WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE FIRST FLIGHT with a flying machine heavier than air autonomously and with the presence of the Evaluation Committee of the Aeroclube de France.
We can say that the wings developed by the wright brothers was crucial to evolution of airplanes, but still... Santos Dumont was the first to fulfill the requirements established by the Aero Club of France.
True that!
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?
Supostamente os irmãos wright fizeram o primeiro voo em 1903, mas ninguém além deles próprios testemunharam LOL
Mas temos que ser honestos, 1906 Santos Dumond fez o primeiro voo documentado com toda a imprensa convidada mas foram 80 metros de distância há 5 de altura em linha reta. 14 bis fazia curvas mas bem lentas e pouco angulares e quanto mais alto, mais sofria com o impacto do vendo pq o Santos Dumond não conseguiu projetar areo-dinamica pra fazer curvas em segurança até o aquele momento, 1908 os Wright fizeram um voo longo de mais de meia hora aí sim, com a imprensa, fazendo curvas e tudo, atingindo até 100 metros de altura, mesmo o equipamento sendo CATAPULTADO de uma rampa porque o motor não tinha potência para decolar por própria força... por isso que o Lobby americano convence o mundo que foram eles. Muito dinheiro do governo americano envolvido.
Quando o Santos Dumond apresentou o Demoiselle, ai sim, voando por 40 minutos sobre toda Paris e fazendo acrobacias, mas mais iportante decolando por FORÇA PRÓPRIA... Já era tarde, o feito dos Wright já tinha tomado todos os jornais da europa e estados unidos.
@@robsonborba6273 Sorry, but you're wrong. The following newspapers documented the Wrights' flights during 1903-1905: *"Airship Flight is a Success," The San Francisco Call, December 18, 1903, Page 1, Image 1, col. 7. *"A Machine that Flies," The Times Dispatch (Richmond, VA)0, December 19, 1903, Page 5, Image 5, col. 1. *"High Gale No Bar to Flying Machine," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), December 19, 1903, Page 10, Image 10, col. 1" *"Airship was a Great Success: The Wright brothers Give Out a Statement Regarding Their Recent Experiments," The Minneapolis Journal (Minneapolis, MN), January 5, 1904, Page 1, Image 1, col. 1. *"Ohio Inventors Claim Success in Flight," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), January 7, 1904, Page 3, Image 3, col. 4. "*A Machine that Flies: The Wright Brothers Declare that They Have Solved the Problem of Navigating the Air," The Watchman and Southern (Sumter, SC), January 13, 1904, Page 7, Image 7, col. 3. *"Flying machine that Flies," The San Francisco Call, (San Francisco, CA), October 9 1904, Page 13, Image 13, col 5-7. I could continue for another one hundred pages, but I've made my point.
The smart Dumont put a motor on your project, a plane needs a motor to make travels, or not true??
It happened to Charles Darwin. He discovered that Alfred Russel Wallace had the same idea as he did about evolution by natural selection. They cooperated instead of competing, because science
I'm impressed by your research. I'm from New Zealand. I was taught about Richard Pearse in primary school.
Is it possible that the secrecy was because it was a lie?
we KNOW it was a lie b/c their motive was GREED / CASH (ala Trump).... the opposite of Dumont.
It is possible and had the Wrights been unable to improve their 1903 Wright Flyer prototype
their claims would have been as suspect as those by Whitehead.
Whitehead No. 21 flight th-cam.com/video/Ucm80BYUXEE/w-d-xo.html
Here are some links:
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Wright_brothers_patent_war
airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/wright-brothers/online/fly/1903/patenting.cfm
www.libraries.wright.edu/special/wrightbrothers/patents
www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/wright/lesson.html
The Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft.
Wright brothers crafted a good glider and they didn't prove that their project really fly in a certify flight until 1908 (they tried several times but they failed) . On the other hand, the Brazilian Santos Dumont invented the real airplane and he proved it flying in Paris in a certified flight. His airplane , 14 BIS, flew by it's own forces and came back to the same point. Santos Dumont is the real father of Aviation. Wright Brothers plane was very weak with less than 15HP (only can fly with a strong wind or catapulted), Santos Dumont plane had 50 HP and it flew at any weather conditions.
So the public flights that were documented in 1905 a year before Santos Dumont's first flight didn't happen? your Brazilian nationalist propaganda is just that, nationalist propaganda.
Santos-dumont was never able to return to his place of departure you are mixing up the 1908 flight with the 2008 Flight of the look-alike replica of Alan call La Casa
A practical airplane can fly in most weather conditions the 14-bis with santos-dumont as a pilot only flew on near windless days
I have a IP protecting UFO desing (I have no video or photo).Please,just believe in my words
everything before is not an airplane, everything later infringe their patent, seems legit
just call them inventors of warping wings
What did you think of the Flyer's "first flight" celebrations in 2003?😅
My great-great-grandfather invented the airplane in 1902. I have here with me several letters and leaflets from journalist friends of his that prove this
and the Dog, everyone forgets the dog.
The Wrights flew with a telegram in 03.
The Wright brothers were bicycle repair and sales people, why didn't they put wheels, not skids on the plane?
The Wrights began their flying in the soft dunes of Kill devil Hills, where wheels wouldn't have worked. Later they operated from Huffman Prairie, which was a hummocky and rutted cattle pasture that likewise prevented using a wheeled undercarriage. But being bicycle designers and manufacturers (not just repair and sales) did influence their aircraft, most notably with their discovery that an aircraft, just like a bicycle, requires a measure of designed-in _instability_ in order to be maneuverable.
No exists either a video or photo with Writer's supose to fly in 1903 (only words).
The video of WB flyth is about 1908 (They are liers)
Patenting things they didn't invent, stalling an entire industry for years, the Write brothers were the Thomas Edisons of aviation.
And Santos Dumont, Nicola Tesla...
Mike is wrong when he says the 1903 Wright flyer needed a catapult to takeoff. The 1st 4 flights on 17 December 1903 did NOT use a catapult. The demonstration flights later did.
Flying or gliding? Was it the same as the Centenary celebrations in 2003?😂
@@Marcos5pb --I've debunked your claims in two other threads.
1906 is before 1903, Dumont flew in front of French people, but the Wrights only flew in front of Americans, a 700 foot hop is better than a 25 mile flight lasting 35 minutes, and Whitehead flew downhill and crashed which is better than flying figure 8's and landing safely 30 feet from where you took off.
Santos Dummont!!!
This may be my favorite video on this whole channel. It was funny and thought provoking. Good stuff guys.
The true. Look please.
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I really want this channel to find a large audience. The good stuff i just so good it deserves lots of youtube money to fund itself fully imo
3:16 YOU LITERALLY SAID SANTOS DUMOND DID IT FIRST. Thanks!
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@jindlespog8045 Have you ever heard of LOBBY?
@@robsonborba6273 This Spog is like a parrot only repeating like a bird and making you feel you hate france, he is an idiot.
What about Shivkar Talpade of India? I heard he invented the first heavier than air craft in 1895, but since there was no media attention, the world didn't know about it. I have tried fact checking this however, and the only result with much substance, was a video on TH-cam narrated in Indian language, with no option for translation. Surely he would have been well documented by now in world history in any case.
why Did the planes never appeared in the wright períod?
Did you know plwnes are hard to invent
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
"I don't know." Quite possibly the best answer to many questions in life. As Feynman said, "...but I'm not absolutely sure of anything, and of many things I don't know anything about, but I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened by not knowing things..."
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This is actually very informative. Thanks Craig and Matt, I love the Good Stuff
Proofs about Wright flights between 1903 1905 with films and photos, please.
What speaks volumes is the fact that Dumont abandoned all of his ideas behind the 14-bis the minute the Wright brothers appeared on the scene. He copied the Wright brothers specifications for a wing and propeller in addition to copying the Wright brothers flight control system. He realised that he had been pursuing nothing but a self-propelled box kite.
One of the things that I remember best from my Aviation courses in college was just how specific you have to be when talking about "firsts in flight." The montgolfiers were the first lighter than air, the wrights were the first powered, heavier than air, and there are records for first fliers in all the continents, the first aviation businesses, and the first long distance flights... aviation history is dominated by records. Not to mention zeppelins and dirigibles... sheesh.
you must remember that HISTORY is corrupted by so many forces.
EX: both left and right wing press ALL hailed Giuliani and Bloomturd as messiahs. WHAT EVIDENCE did they have to believe these Total Lies? A: these two NYC mayors GAVE FAKE STATS to the press (who got BILLION$ in secret corporate welfare from.... these two GOP NYC mayors! hmmm!) -- get it? EXACT same sham as the Wright Brothers and a zillion other fraudsters. TODAY, the entire MSM admits they LIED about Vietnam, er, The Afghanistan War, er, Giuliani and Bloomberg being brilliant men!
@@dumpygoodness4086 Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@jindlespog8045 please delete your copypasta
@@johnt3606 Thank you for reading.
@@johnt3606 Please face the reality that Santos Dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the Desmoiselle 20 with tech he stole from the Wright Brothers. He copied a Wright Brothers propeller and Wright Brothers wing warping. The 14-bis was a failure. Go watch the 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris that shows nothing but a short little hop. No flight. Watch it and see for yourself. There are many copies of the 1906 film on TH-cam. No flight, only a short hop. That's why Santos Dumont abandoned the 14-bis and built a totally different airplane. Watch it and see for yourself. Film doesn't lie.
After sacrificing himself to prevent global nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis, others took up The Rocketeer's mantle (rudder helmet). We actually came up with an entire backstory for this.
@brasileiros Silva This anti-Wright article is easy to critique but so far no one has made an effort to do so.
If someone wants to identify a particular alleged lie, I will address it.
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I liked this episode, I like it a lot. Nice work guys.
Justice for the soul of Alberto Santos Dumont. The Father of his inventions and the first to create an aircraft and flying in it by himself, alone!
Justice have been claimed!
@@Glen.Danielsen Of course.
He not only flew the 14-bis, as he controled it.
14-bis had 3 axis controls . In the internet you find many videos about it's replicas flying.
@@sanpol4399 That is interesting. I like how the 14-bis had abundant vertical stabilizers in its design-brilliant.
Still, on October 5, 1905, Wilbur Wright made a circling flight of 38.9 km (24 mi) in 39 minutes 23 seconds, over Huffman Prairie near Dayton, Ohio, a year before Santos-Dumont's 50 m (160 ft) flight earned him his first aviation award. Also, written and photographic documentation authenticated by historians shows that the 1903 Wright Flyer accomplished takeoffs in a strong headwind without a catapult and made controlled and sustained flight; nearly three years before Santos-Dumont made his first heavier-than-air takeoff.
@@Glen.Danielsen 14-bis flight speed was/is slow, so, I agree with you it was brilliant not only the vertical stabilizers but the horizontal stabilizers to be big in order to be responsive and not having the catastrophic stall on the horizontal stabilizers that the Flyers chronically had.
Actually there is no proof of any Flyer flight before 1908.
You also will not find any article in serious newspapers or magazines about those supposed Flyer flights before 1908. Just after.
There are some 14-bis perfect replicas built so far, all of them fly easily and replicate the historical flights.
Do you know any replica of any Flyer model that can fly sustained ?
@@sanpol4399 The fact that flying replicas of the Wright Flyer are not extant means nothing. And your information is false. The Wright’s disposition was to protect their copyright ambitions, hence their early flights were not publicized greatly. They documented their own successes, and historians have authenticated their documents. You want to demean their work; I suggest you can your con.
@@Glen.Danielsen My post was a bit long but the information was correct.
Even historians can not go against laws of physics.
I will make you a simple question, please, try to be skeptical about it. But if you feel uncomfortable, no problem not answering it straight :
Have you seen any Flyer replica making a sustained flight? Yes or not ?
Good stuff, guys. I think it's really awesome that you addressed this :)
The true
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Great video! I'm so excited about how well you guys are doing! Keep it up!
You talking about the side mission in which you help the guy make the glider and he ends up crashing and dying? Just looked it up and his name was Charles Kinnear. May have been partially based on that guy though.
The Wrights had the only flying airplane. They solved the adverse yaw problem before anyone else had encountered the problem at all. The others hadn't solved it because they had never flown long enough to even encounter the problem! But, completely overlooked is the group (supposedly non-profit) including Curtiss talked the Wrights into explaining how the center of pressure moved on the wing. Read "Takeoff Into Greatness" by Grover Loening. This never gets mentioned amongst other things more easily understood by laymen. The story is first-hand in Loening's book. Grover learned to fly from Orville Wright.
None of Santos Dumont's planes flew until the Desmoiselle 20 in 1909. The film of the original 14-bis in Paris shows nothing but a short little hop. Go see for yourself. There are several copies of this film on TH-cam. Nothing but a short little hop.
The flight of over 100 m was not filmed because it took place at dusk
and there was not enough light for a motion picture..
At one time there was a lot of footage. Hardly any of it exists today.
100 m is roughly 100 yards. The length of a football field. That was
certainly more than a hop in 1907.
Brothers of utter creativeness! Great and marvelous perspectives; thanks much for such! 💛🙏🏼
" kept it secret for 5 years" LOL so in other words the didn't invent it.
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I love how you guys get involved with your viewers!
The true about Wright brothers.
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I always thought whoever invented flying could not do that and die trying to invent it that’s why I always questioned the wright brothers it had to be perfected over time
The Wrong Brothers tried to get a patent on standing on the ground. They claimed to be the first, nobody talks about them.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft.
@chas1422:
SB: The comment is a joke.
The Wrights had several patents in addition to the one for controlled flight.
They might have tried to get a patent on hopping but they never tried to get one for standing :-).
They may have claimed to be the first to fly in a manned rigid winged heavier than air machine with 3 axis control.
Perhaps it was similar to Santos Dumonts 1906. They both had the means to control up-down, left right motion.
They may have been able to complete the hops without using it.
The 3 of the 4 1903 alleged fights failed to prove the ability to bank and turn.
They were unidirectional and required minimal use of the crafts lateral control abilities.
It is strange to argue that "no one every talks" about the Wright Brothers on a discussion of the Wright Brothers.
There is an interesting Google Ngram chart that tracks the number of mentions in books and newspapers
Santos Dumont peaked in the early 1900. The Wrights have had many more mentions in recent years.
@@stevebett4947 Yes my comment was a joke. The "WRONG" brothers as opposed to the "WRIGHT" brothers. The "WRONG" brothers tried to get a patent "STANDING ON THE GROUND". It was intended to be amusing, please do not take seriously.
There are videos of 5 prototypes of the first ion propelled aircraft to carry its power supply, that can be watched by clicking the purple channel icon to the left. The device can fly on one side and use the fixed collectors as wings, but it doesn't need to fly in that manner, since it is capable of sustained VTOL flight. Much of the news on this subject is just plain wrong or unbelievably twisted. I hope our history of the Wrights etc. is more accurate!
After carefully observing you guys for a while, in person, on video, and through your work, I've finally locked down which Ghostbusters cast members you guys are. Craig is Bill Murray, Matt is Harold Ramis, Ryan is Dan Aykroyd, so David is Ernie Hudson, I guess. And Sam...Rick Moranis.
You guys are brilliant, the Good Stuff is absolutely brilliant!
Conor Matchett read imbecile. The Wright Brothers and Their Claims
NEW! An interesting collection of old articles about the 1903 - 1905 "flights" of the Wright brothers.
The Wright brothers contributed nothing to the progress of powered flight before 1908.Starting with Dec. 17 1903, they constantly made ridiculous claims about spectacular flights, allegedly performed in the interval 1903 - 1905, refusing, in the same time, to publish pictures or technical drawings of their machines under the pretext they wanted to sell them. Aviation appeared in 1906 without the help of the two brothers from Dayton.

NEW FREE BOOK! Amos Root the liar number four after he Wright brothers and their mentor, Octave Chanute A. I. Root was a businessman from Medina, Ohio who had a passion for heavier than air flying machines. In February 1904 he sent a letter to the Wright brothers saying that he wanted to see some of their trials. He met the two inventors during the summer of 1904 and in the January 1, 1905, issue of his periodical "Gleanings in Bee Culture" he claimed he had seen Wilbur Wright flying his plane in a circuit on September 20, 1904. However, his numerous letters to the Wrights, and other articles he wrote in connection to them, show that Amos Root did not see that spectacular flight. He just lied with the consent of the two brothers, who approved his January 1, 1905, article, before being printed, and latter used Root's this text as evidence in an attempt to convince the people that they were the firsts who flew planes. Fortunately their fraud was discovered. If you read the book you will have a clear understanding of how these two fraudsters and international swindlers from Dayton tried to fool the world.
The 2003 flying replica of Flyer I 1903 couldn't fly more than 115 feet (35 m)
The 2003 accurate replica [1] of the Wright brothers' plane, tested on December 17, 1903, was not able to do more than short flights. None of its takeoffs came close to the claimed 59 seconds flight performed on December 17, 1903. What the 2003 experiment really showed was that the plane from 1903 could have been theoretically able to take off and fly chaotically for 100 - 115 feet, no more. Flyer I was uncontrollable and not capable to execute a sustained flight. The tests from 2003 demonstrated that the Wright brothers had exaggerated, at best, the performances of their claimed 1903, 59 seconds flight.


1) "On November 20, 2003, Dr. Kevin Kochersberger piloted the 1903 Wright Experience Replica Flyer. With 15-18 mph winds he flew a distance of nearly 100 feet."2) "December 3, 2003 test flight of the Wright Experience 1903 Wright Flyer Replica. Dr. Kevin Kochersberger was at the controls and piloted the Flyer for a distance of 115 feet. Slight cross wind after initial rotation which is compensated with slight wing warp."
The instability of Flyer I had been already predicted by prof. Fred Culick who tested in the wind tunnel another replica, different from the one that flew in 2003:
""They built it and then drew as they went along," said Fred Culick, professor of aerodynamics at the California Institute of Technology and chief engineer on Cherne's team. …" Cherne's group, working mainly on weekends in a warehouse donated by a rocket company in El Segundo, finished what they considered an exact replica. Then in 1998 they tested it at NASA's Ames Research Center near Sunnyvale, Calif. Three weeks of wind-tunnel tests of their Wright Flyer replica "clearly showed how unstable it was and how it can't be flown safely," said Culick."
Source: community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20031008&slug=wright08 ^
On October 5 1905 the Wright flyer III flew for 40 minutes covering 24 miles.
On November 12 1906 Santos-Dumont flew a kite-like contraption with boxy wings called the 14-Bis some 722 feet
Tell me again how Dumont flew first
with a catapult even shit flies.
Trow things in the air and say that that they fly is one way to see things, I guess, also...
Why the secrecy? To me looks like loonies want some glory for something that they claim they did...
Santos Dumont fulfill all pre request from the aerial comitee in France...
In 1906.
While the Wright brothers only show their faces there in 1908...
So, tell me again, how do you expect that people believe in that if your guys didn't even won the prize?
Wright brothers give the last piece of the puzzle, I give them that, but they didn't "invented" the airplane besides, Santos Dumont already was a genius that made the first controlled flight in human history, way before Wright brothers have their idea, in fact, the idea of a self propeled flying machine came directly from Santos Dumont and it's dirigible.
But ok, maybe the Wright brothers did invented, first, but lose the opportunity be uncontested because of their greed.
While Santos Dumont, much like Tesla, want that people could fly and he give the esquematics of his plane Demoisele for free to anybody that want to fly.
You Americans are full of "controversy"...
Elson Felix
Please read what you are responding to again. The wright flyer 3 flew for 24 miles... a year before dumont did
@@antjack2602 where's the goddanm PROOF?
Santos Dumont fly in front of a crowd, was in accordance with the rules in the specified place required.
While the wrong brothers fly only for a few eye witness?
Seriously? Do you want i believe in that, HOW?
No doubt that the brothers did improve their project in 1908 (but so did Dumont, with his Demoisele in 1907), yet no one ever knew about the Wright brothers, even the Smithsonian didn't credit then at the time...
By the way...
The brothers could easily aquire the squematics of Demoisele (Wich are available to the public) and make their own improvements in their flyer 3, then presenting their plane as something new in Paris at 1908...
But before that only the Americans have ever heard about them, and even so only heard about their deeds, no one have nothing besides a picture of the flyer one.
Besides I picture, a telegram that could be interpreted in several ways...
The brothers are just crooks trying to capitalize over others creatian, and this is a pattern that repeat itself in your country even to this day...
Elson Felix
On 3, 4, and 5 October 1905, the Wrights made their first public flights since May of 1904, inviting friends, reporters, and upstanding folks they thought would make good witnesses. On 5 October 1905, Wilbur flew for 39.5 minutes, covering 24 miles (38 kilometers) before the gasoline in the new 3-gallon (11.3 liters) tank ran out.
www.wright-brothers.org/Information_Desk/Just_the_Facts/Airplanes/Flyer_III.htm
why Did the planes appear afterDUMONT?
I have translated a brief text that contains some information that will answer your question.
Alberto Santos Dumont
was born on July 20th,
1873, in Minas Gerais {MG}, in a cottage named Cabangu, near the
city that today takes his
name. Soon, the family left
MG, and the Dumonts set themselves,
in 1879, around
Ribeirão Preto-São Paulo {SP}, they started a successful coffee farm.
Alberto's childhood was mostly inside this farm and when young,
he studied for a brief period in Campinas (SP). In 1892,
Dumont began a training period in Paris, private classes. Alberto has never had a regular training.
He was a sportsman, as one friend of this period reported:
"Little applied student, or rather, nothing studious for the
"Theories", but admirable practical and mechanical talent and
of an inventive genius. " In 1897, he returned to Paris and began to
dedicate to balloons and airships. He built several models
airships and created an aircraft called "14bis" which
allows him to have the recognition for being the first homologated flight of history, this deed took place in the field of Bagatelle, on November 12th,1906,
in Paris, France.
Santos Dumont knew that 14bis was not a
practical airplane. In the period of less than an year, he idealized,
built and tested five new inventions.
On
November 16th, 1907, in Bagatelle, only seven months
after the last flight of 14-bis, Santos-Dumont was already doing the
inaugural flight, about 200 m, of his newest invention:
the revolutionary No. 19, the "Demoiselle", tiny, simple and light. It was a very advanced, high-performance aircraft,
fast, extremely simple and compact. It would take off in
a 70 m runway.
The Demoiselle had
as fuselage a single rod of bamboo. Although
to take off and fly, it was clear that this new
model had serious structural problems. Considering
various Demoiselle models developed from 1907 to
1909, models nº 19, 20, 21 and 22, Santos-Dumont was
introducing technical innovations and enhancements.
For these models, he would use engines of 20 to 35 Hp and he strutured the
fuselage with three bamboo rods in the shape of a
triangle. In 1909, some factories started production
of No. 20, Santos Dumont had made available to
who wanted Demoiselle's plans and details, since
he did not patent his inventions, which should be
shared by all mankind. This invention was the
preferred mean of Santos Dumont personal transport while
visiting friends, around Paris. The Demoiselle was sold to an aspiring pilot who later would be one of the greatest aces of World War I: Roland Garros
(1882-1918). After Santos Dumont publishing the plans of
Demoiselle number 20 and also allowing
some companies to build it, the aircraft was copied and became a
popular model. The Demoiselle was the first airplane manufactured
in series on Earth. By the end of 1909, more than 40 had
been built and sold by the price of a medium size car back at that time. Some books record that more than 300 Demoiselles have been built until today, and with
a surprising mark of not having had a single fatal accident.
He's indeed a reference when we talk about being an arcraft inventor, and not to mention Dumont's contribution for airships. As much as the Wright brothers want to be remembered for being the fist to fly, Dumont should be remembered for inventing the plane on his own and in my modest evaluation, he deserves to be called: Father of Aviation.
Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
@@Cruzeiro5x02008e2009 Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do accuse France of lying? Why do you hate France?
you guys r the best you address a youtube comment argumeant soo well
Nice job, guys. And isn't it cool being part of a community that contributes to discussions like this?
please can you make the food stuff???
Go watch the original film of the real 14-bis in Paris in 1906. It doesn't fly. Nothing but a short little hop.
There were two contests. One to see who could fly 50 m and one to see who could
be the first to fly 100 m.
100m is roughly 100 yards or the length of a football field. The actual flight was a little longer, perhaps 200 yards. (600 ft). A flight of less than 600 ft. was a hop
according to the Wright brothers. The 2nd flight of the 14 -bis may have been more
than a hop.
This flight was at dusk after most of the crowd had left. There wasn't
enough light to film it. There were a few official witnesses from the Aero-Club to
attest to the accomplishment.
haha the end made me laugh so hard, and then I felt bad for laughing at the dead people....
Thank you for listing the Rocketeer. I was going be quite angry if his pioneering in jetpack flight went unmentioned.
show for all the Word the official documents With photos about flights between 1903 - 1905, please
Check out Wikipedia on first flights
Get lost troll.
🤣🤣🤣The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane.
Excellent, made me think about the nature of ideas and where ideas actually spring from...*ponders*
Look the true please
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In April 1903, Octave Chanute, the Wrights guest at Kitty Hawk during the glider experiments in 1901 and 1902, was invited to give a lecture to the Aero Club of France. In his illustrated lecture, he provided a summary of the Wrights gliding experiments, including how they were able to execute controlled turns of their glider using wingwarping. When the Wrights demonstrated flying execution in Paris light years ahead of Santos, the Euro club in France had no doubt that Chanutes claims as a witness and the Wrights claim of a successful flight before Santos was true.The flights spoke volumes about the years of perfecting the wing warping system. The flights also spoke volumes about the time it would take to develop pilot skills to fly such a plane. Flying the Bis14 is nothing as it leaves the ground by about 5 to 6 feet and nothing else and has no meaningful steering.
Uhm, but there's no proof, so whatever. First controlled flight was Santos Dummont, in Paris. By the way, it was not the first time he had flown his 14-bis plane anyway, he did it before the presentation, but again, no proof, so, it doesn't matter.
@@yurirobert3207 the demonstrations of the 14bis were not controlled flight. Dummont
did not make turns of any significance. In demonstrations he was at the mercy of the wind. The French believed the Wright brothers had every reason to believe the Wright brothers because in their flights in the demonstrations they could not be doing what they were doing unless they had years to master being pilots. On the other hand literally anybody with a bit of practise could duplicate what do Dummont was doing with his plane. That is why today literally anybody with a bit of practise can carry out the demonstrations of the 14bis replicas. Then we get to watch every one of them abort take off or fail to take off if the slightest crosswind comes up. That is because it is not controlled flight and never was.
I love these videos! So good chemistry
Yes good chemistry is Santos Dumont.
isn't Lilienthal the guy you meet and help out in Red Dead Redemption?
I believe that the only thing that supposedly wright brothers were first at ,was getting it to press,
I believe it was a Frenchmah who was first ,and flew further.
Great Job guys. Great Style! Not just Good Stuff. GREAT Stuff!
The true about Wright brothers.
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Meanwhile, do read up about Abbas ibn Firnas; 875 AD.
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Santos Dumont was more than Ryan or wright's Bros.
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Wait, did nobody leave a 'first' comment? That seems counterproductive considering the content of this video...
The Rocketeer died in 1962?!? Who's been responding to my letters?
the centennial is tragic
So the Wright Brothers got all the credit for innovation, and started suing everyone who made something remotely similar to what they did?
Oh God, they were the Apple of the 20th Century.
While Santos Dumont and Santos Dumont was open source...
@@efxnews4776Santos Dumont was quite like Tesla. An idealistic guy.
The humanity invented the airplane but Santos Dumont was the first one to invent the first plane without needing anything to took off. He took off on his own
Ryan makes every one happy so you are the first to satsify all
Onde happy!!! My god. Look the reality!!!!
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It Was Worth It!
first flight whitout help proved, who did it?
Proved on AirFrance club Santos Dumont did before the wrong brothers.
They barely mentioned Glenn Curtis !
I think that you it would be interesting if you made a video talking about the history of the human flight, from when Abbas bin Firnas tried to fly by attaching feathers to himself until the current date.
Great video! I like the idea of how sometimes we might warp definitions to suit the circumstances, because sometimes we just don't have the "answer" until we make it up. Also, great montage towards the end acknowledging all those who contributed.
Dear, look the true please.
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Amazing video!
I very-very rarely give a video a thumbs down. I did on this one because there is only one truth. State the facts and stick to them.
"Why does it matter who was first?" That's some "everybody gets a trophy" BS if I've ever heard it. 😄
I'm also not completely in favor of profits at all costs, block your competition with nonsense patents, and crush your enemies, so there has to be a balance.
You can laugh at the Rocketeer, he doesn't mind.
Check out Dr. Lewis Archer Boswell
"Poorly documented" lmao
there was this convergence of inventors racing to develop it, they just "happened" to be at the Wright place at the Wright time? anyone? anyone? Beuller?
Charles f. Page
Page was a brilliant, intrepid individual who designed lighter-than-air craft, but he's not part of the answer to _who invented the airplane?_
The modern replica of the 14-bis only flies with a modern engine and a modern propeller. Fake replicas prove nothing. The original 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris shows nothing but a short little hop. Go watch it and see for yourself. Just a short little hop.
yeah can be interpreted as a shout out to the open source community
Although not found here, there is a rational argument in support of the Brazilian position. It should not be dismissed
just because most Brazilians who comment usually use short jokes or insults rather than a reasoned discussion.
The argument is that the performance requirements in the published description of the rules for the Archdeacon prize identify empirical facts. The 1906 flights of the 14-bis flights is the first fact based flights. The requirements may include professional witnesses
from the French Aero Club along with film documentation of an announced public flight.
Most of the flights completed by the Wrights were little more than a proof of concept and were not announced or
witnessed by " the public ". I am not sure why they worried because they sold replicas of their gilders and planes
to members of the French Aero Clubs. They were sold without a manual or an explanation of how to make them work.
A number of Flyer look likes were built, but no one figured out wing warping or the secret of controlled flight.
Even with the publication of the patent in 1906, no one seems to have discovered the secret.
The secrecy strategy seems to be inconsistent at best.
The Wrights published a paper which attempted to list the proof for the claims. I have yet to find the full version.
This was sufficient for the American Aero Club to endorse the Wright claims. It would not be sufficient for most
Brazilian critics. One of the proofs for the circular flights is their description by Amod Root. The same publication
is used by a Wright critic to prove that it was all a lie.
Santos Dumont contracted Voisin to build an airframe with wheels and a motor mount. He did and based it on his
experiment with a stable Hargrave box kite wing glider on pontoons. The elevator was a fixed 2 cell box kite wing
ahead of the main wing. There was no need for a pilot because there was no control. The pilot cou;d be replaced
with a 150 lb. weight The glider was towed by a motorboat.
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2:54 if it depends on the right wind conditions to take off, it isn't an airplane.
A true airplane can generate lifting force greater than it's weight with it's owb power alone. If it depends on winds, catapults or being launched from a higher ground, it's a glider not a plane.
Also, when the wright's heard of santos dummont self powered flight in 1906, they claimed they had already invented it, but it took another 2 years for them to present a working prototype, in 1908. So, if they already flew before 1906, why didn't they presented their model right after claiming it? Did they scrap the first successful airplane? Is that what we're supposef to believe?
P.S. the true merit for the invention of the airplane should be credited to the developers of the internal combustion engine. That was the real key to achieve heavier than air flight.
I encourage you to do some genuine research, and to study how aircraft fly. Good luck.
I didn't know the Rocketeer died. That just shows how out of the loop I am.
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When Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.
The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane.
Here's a small sampling of reportage devoted to the Wrights' flights during 1903-1905: *"Airship Flight is a Success," The San Francisco Call, December 18, 1903, Page 1, Image 1, col. 7. *"A Machine that Flies," The Times Dispatch (Richmond, VA)0, December 19, 1903, Page 5, Image 5, col. 1. *"High Gale No Bar to Flying Machine," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), December 19, 1903, Page 10, Image 10, col. 1" *"Airship was a Great Success: The Wright brothers Give Out a Statement Regarding Their Recent Experiments," The Minneapolis Journal (Minneapolis, MN), January 5, 1904, Page 1, Image 1, col. 1. *"Ohio Inventors Claim Success in Flight," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), January 7, 1904, Page 3, Image 3, col. 4. "*A Machine that Flies:The Wright Brothers Declare that They Have Solved the Problem of Navigating the Air," The Watchman and Southern (Sumter, SC), January 13, 1904, Page 7, Image 7, col. 3. *"Flying machine that Flies," The San Francisco Call, (San Francisco, CA), October 9 1904, Page 13, Image 13, col 5-7. I could continue for another one hundred pages, but I've made my point.
Original footage of the Wright Flyer demonstrating its superior performance: th-cam.com/video/QbhRNUnZrls/w-d-xo.html
More footage of the Wright Flyer, demonstrating both stability and controlability: th-cam.com/video/-kjRL-Q-KBc/w-d-xo.html
wright brothers the great farce
Way to respond to the commenters. Another very informative video.
I think more than the question of who was really the first inventor of the airplane, it's more interesting to realize that in different countries or cultures, there are different notions of who should be getting the credit. Just think of all the information we take for granted (not just about this) that could actually be very different depending on where (or when) we learned it.
Don't credit just 2 guys for inventing the airplane! That's stupid, they just made the last step!
You should credit 7 people!
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rip
the letter for captain ferber show the brothers' shammers, 1907
The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The first inventor to invent a plane was an indian in 1895 shiva bapuji talpade . He did that 8 years ago wright brothers.
But British suppressed him
Oficial proofs, with films and photos, please.
2:44 OH A GET IT NOW IS NOT A "CATAPULT" HE NEED JUST A RAIL AND MORE POWER, BECAUSE HE CAN´T FLY BY HIM SELF, MY BAD, IS NOT A CATAPULT, IS A GIANT MEDIEVAL BALISTA USED IN A SHIT GLIDER, AND NOT A "CATAPULT" USED IN A SHIT GLIDER MY BAD IN THIS "BIG DIFFERENCE" , OK SO... YES IS THE SAME SHIT AGAIN YOU LIKE OR NOT OR "PLANE" IS SHIST A SHIT GLIDER, WITH CONTROLS.
Any history TV show usually has to end with some defintie statement simplifying things. I am glad you didn't and point out the complexities of reality and how things aren't always black and white and can be changed to fit ones viewpoint just by defining something the way it suits one. Really interesting about the Wright's patent too. You should do a video about the advantages and disadvantages of copyright and where it stalled or sped up technological or cultural advancements.
Qualquer tolo inteligente consegue fazer coisas maiores e mais complexas. É necessário um toque de gênio -- e muita coragem para ir na direção oposta. (Albert Einstein)
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