Great work👍I think Al Davis had a huge role in shaping the vertical passing game and bunches too. Bill Walsh was an assistant under Davis with the Raiders.
Bunch looks dont allow dbs to press or constantly play man coverage...by the wrs been tight u create matchups. .i love sean mcvays bunch sets Im aTrue student of the game Great content
Hi Mike - I enjoyed and still remember you in the AFL - Albany if I remember correctly! I had one question on the origin of bunch formations - would you say they are a product of the WCO or Air Raid.. I know that the Air Raid came from the BYU (college WCO) Offense combined with some R&S and Mumme/Leach ingenuity, but the Air Raid really was a Spread Style passing set compared to the WCO and really went to the 4 WR or 3X1 quicker I think... or am I wrong. Gibbs was a Coryell guy and didn't he use some 3X1 sets? The R&S motioned to 3x1 all the time. But the actual bunch set -- when did that start to become a "thing" - was it the Air Raid or when the WCO started to Spread Out and use more variety in personnel groupings - not only the 21 and 12 formations. I remember thinking that what Callahan brought to Nebraska was a real spread version of the WCO... New England was more EP combined with the Spread Urban Meyer was doing. Charlie Weiss had R&S in his background. I also wanted to make note of SID GILLMAN. He started this whole idea of Space + Timing over Personnel - which led back to Personnel in terms of 1on1 Matchups so popular now - especially at the top level in the NFL. But Sid was ahead of his time - as was his mentor Frances Schmidt, who, btw, coached with Dutch Meyer who ran the first real Spread Offense that he learned from Rusty Russell who was running it in the 1920s! 5 WR sets! But Sid took all of this amazing ingenuity from Dutch to Frances and systemized it. Not only in the passing game, he had a lot to do with space blocking - Zone Run Game - that's where Lombardi got his run to daylight concept. Coryell used Sid and Dutch to form his offense. Walsh also used both and I think Tiger Ellison's R&S a bit as well. But it's really Sid who understood Space. Also, on Defense - he coached Bum Phillips and loved the 3-4 idea. He also coached Bill Arnsparger - and these guys knew Hank Bullough (thru Fairbanks and Shula) and he taught LeBeau ( who also learned from Arnsparger) - thus the whole Zone Blitz idea that is the Defense that can deal with the Spread --- and Power Spread. One more guy - Clark Shaughnessy deserves mention - LeBeau played under coaches in Detroit who come directly from Shaughnessy. Shaughnessy was all about the Timing Concept of Option Football and Play Action Fakes and Mis Direction. Kyle Shanahan practically runs a WCO mixed with the mis direction of the Modern T of Shaughnessy and some Power Spread ideas. Shaughnessy also had an effect on Gillman --- he really saw the value in Zone Defense ahead of his time -- I think that influenced Steve Owen and his Umbrella Defense which in turn effected Tom Landry and his Flex Defense. Great TH-cam - thanks!
@@quinnschroetlin fyi Gillmans mentor is Frances Schmidt. There’s a great book on him. Very interesting guy. Ahead of his time in play design. Did it from the single and double wings. But the condensed formations (compared to today) didn’t constrict his creativity post snap. All kinds of wild play and route designs.
@@quinnschroetlin fyi Gillmans mentor is Frances Schmidt. There’s a great book on him. Very interesting guy. Ahead of his time in play design. Did it from the single and double wings. But the condensed formations (compared to today) didn’t constrict his creativity post snap. All kinds of wild play and route designs.
Also Dutch Meyer’s Spread Football book. Dutch got this from his good friend Rusty Russell. All of this in Texas. The short punt pass offense was equivalent of our shotgun pro spread today. Started in sT Louis and then Knute Rockne after forward pass was legalized. Fielding Yost then began to experiment. His pupil Bennie Owen at Oklahoma really made this pass offense his staple in late 1910s. This influenced Russell. And John Heisman was his friend. Heisman coached in Texas at the time. I think Heisman contributed to Russell spreading the field with 5 wide (all 3pt stance) in 1920s. The true grandfather of modern football. Always had a guy in motion for a run. Spread football with power spread concept.
It packs the box so can limit the run game. Harder to run true vertical passing game. Just like anything else. There's a perfect mix to add to the call sheet.
Great work👍I think Al Davis had a huge role in shaping the vertical passing game and bunches too. Bill Walsh was an assistant under Davis with the Raiders.
I believe Al Davis started as a coach with Coryell in SD.
Running this for our MS boys and this is gold, thank you!
Excellent!
Bunch looks dont allow dbs to press or constantly play man coverage...by the wrs been tight u create matchups. .i love sean mcvays bunch sets
Im aTrue student of the game
Great content
Thanks coach, awesome stuff, any ideas on tight bunch out of unbalanced sets? what are your favorite run schemes out of bunch? thanks again!
First time OC for 8U and as a Juco LB it all clicks! Spacing is key
How route combos can be disguised
Hi Mike - I enjoyed and still remember you in the AFL - Albany if I remember correctly! I had one question on the origin of bunch formations - would you say they are a product of the WCO or Air Raid.. I know that the Air Raid came from the BYU (college WCO) Offense combined with some R&S and Mumme/Leach ingenuity, but the Air Raid really was a Spread Style passing set compared to the WCO and really went to the 4 WR or 3X1 quicker I think... or am I wrong. Gibbs was a Coryell guy and didn't he use some 3X1 sets? The R&S motioned to 3x1 all the time. But the actual bunch set -- when did that start to become a "thing" - was it the Air Raid or when the WCO started to Spread Out and use more variety in personnel groupings - not only the 21 and 12 formations. I remember thinking that what Callahan brought to Nebraska was a real spread version of the WCO... New England was more EP combined with the Spread Urban Meyer was doing. Charlie Weiss had R&S in his background.
I also wanted to make note of SID GILLMAN. He started this whole idea of Space + Timing over Personnel - which led back to Personnel in terms of 1on1 Matchups so popular now - especially at the top level in the NFL. But Sid was ahead of his time - as was his mentor Frances Schmidt, who, btw, coached with Dutch Meyer who ran the first real Spread Offense that he learned from Rusty Russell who was running it in the 1920s! 5 WR sets!
But Sid took all of this amazing ingenuity from Dutch to Frances and systemized it. Not only in the passing game, he had a lot to do with space blocking - Zone Run Game - that's where Lombardi got his run to daylight concept. Coryell used Sid and Dutch to form his offense. Walsh also used both and I think Tiger Ellison's R&S a bit as well. But it's really Sid who understood Space. Also, on Defense - he coached Bum Phillips and loved the 3-4 idea. He also coached Bill Arnsparger - and these guys knew Hank Bullough (thru Fairbanks and Shula) and he taught LeBeau ( who also learned from Arnsparger) - thus the whole Zone Blitz idea that is the Defense that can deal with the Spread --- and Power Spread.
One more guy - Clark Shaughnessy deserves mention - LeBeau played under coaches in Detroit who come directly from Shaughnessy. Shaughnessy was all about the Timing Concept of Option Football and Play Action Fakes and Mis Direction. Kyle Shanahan practically runs a WCO mixed with the mis direction of the Modern T of Shaughnessy and some Power Spread ideas. Shaughnessy also had an effect on Gillman --- he really saw the value in Zone Defense ahead of his time -- I think that influenced Steve Owen and his Umbrella Defense which in turn effected Tom Landry and his Flex Defense.
Great TH-cam - thanks!
@@quinnschroetlin fyi Gillmans mentor is Frances Schmidt. There’s a great book on him. Very interesting guy. Ahead of his time in play design. Did it from the single and double wings. But the condensed formations (compared to today) didn’t constrict his creativity post snap. All kinds of wild play and route designs.
@@quinnschroetlin fyi Gillmans mentor is Frances Schmidt. There’s a great book on him. Very interesting guy. Ahead of his time in play design. Did it from the single and double wings. But the condensed formations (compared to today) didn’t constrict his creativity post snap. All kinds of wild play and route designs.
Also Dutch Meyer’s Spread Football book. Dutch got this from his good friend Rusty Russell. All of this in Texas. The short punt pass offense was equivalent of our shotgun pro spread today. Started in sT Louis and then Knute Rockne after forward pass was legalized. Fielding Yost then began to experiment. His pupil Bennie Owen at Oklahoma really made this pass offense his staple in late 1910s. This influenced Russell. And John Heisman was his friend. Heisman coached in Texas at the time. I think Heisman contributed to Russell spreading the field with 5 wide (all 3pt stance) in 1920s. The true grandfather of modern football. Always had a guy in motion for a run. Spread football with power spread concept.
Love it want to learn more about bunch
Aye last time I was here you only had 600 Subscribers and now you have 800 nice
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Great combos !
great content!
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What is the best way to run Toss Sweep toward Bunch?
What is the disadvantage of being in compressed set? Sounds like its a win win vs man or zone.
It packs the box so can limit the run game. Harder to run true vertical passing game. Just like anything else. There's a perfect mix to add to the call sheet.
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I like it
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How about 4 wide receivers on one side and then running the ball the other side.
You could if teams don't leave a backside defender.