This Could End My Channel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2024
- After 3 weeks of fighting, I have lost against TH-cam Content ID erroneously flagging a beat I made live on camera as someone else's work. Let's talk about how this could end my channel if it keeps happening.
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So, as an "IT" professional myself, the especially problematic aspect of all this is that I KNOW the algorithm can be improved, but TH-cam/Google just choose to not prioritize it. It's just pathetic. It's literally their user base's content that made TH-cam what it is, and they now abjectly disrespect these people. It makes me disrespect Google right back. Honestly, it's one of the reasons I went back to Apple for my primary computing device. Might as well. When an actually viable alternative comes along, I'll be championing it.
This really sucks! I’m so sorry for you. Good things come to those that do good, so you will be rewarded. Trust me and keep making great content for people like me who really enjoy and get a lot out of it.
Thank you!! I really appreciate that
The system is absolutely broken, its messed up. And the fact that the system lets the claimant decide an not a third party is so fucked up. I had someone claim ALL of my music because they ripped it and added my music into content ID.
Oh i had UMG content ID me on vinyl crackle. Literally the needle dropping on a vinyl record, and they didn't release it.
Wowwwwwww, that’s insane
This is crazy wrong that TH-cam is using this very flawed detection system.
Agreed 💯
This happened to me last year 2x. I stopped uploading videos to TH-cam for this very reason. I was on cam making music from scratch and was copyright strike twice. Couldn’t believe it. This system is flawed and they’re not doing anything about fixing it.
I’m so sorry that happened, that’s beyond frustrating
I appreciate you sharing this issue. I wish to utilize TH-cam as well, thus truly understanding the playing field is important to me. I appreciate your perspective here. I completely understand your stance, and your frustration. I hope this situation resolves in your favor...eventually. Subscribed.
Thank you 🙏
Man this is such BS. I'm sorry you have to go through this. I write my own music too but I don't post it on TH-cam for reasons such as this. Plus someone could easily steal it and claim it as their own because I don't have all the legal stuff taken care of + not associated with BMG or ASCAP, etc although I'm well aware of how important that is for serious, well known musicians. I hope YT fixes this crap so good content creators/musicians like you don't have to go through this BS!
This seems to be an eternal issue for TH-cam at this point. I'm sorry you're having to deal with it as well. Hopefully something changes soon or it seems likely to just get worse for creators in general. :/
Just Bought the Push 3 standalone so looking forward to your tutorial videos on it.
Sweeeet, I love that thing, will definitely make more videos with it
Excellent piece Dylan. Hopefully someone at TH-cam watches it and does something as a result.
I enjoy your channel, I depend on your reviews. Keep it up brother!
I appreciate you!
@@DylanParisMusic same to you good sir!
I believe that it is possible for this broken system to be improved.
The same thing happened to me. Like you, I publish my own music videos weekly but in my case every Saturday. (sorry for the plug) I like the Distro kid scanning in advance concept. TH-cam should have its own free scanning system like Distro Kid's for us content creators for example in TH-cam Studio. Scan in advance of publishing. Knowing in advance could allow us to augment the track at the pre-publication level. We could make subtle changes before uploading. Sorry to see this happen to you.
I have a channel with 365k subs that is completely unrelated in terms of content. We have this problem too. Every month or so we get "dinged" and the only thing we do is pull the video down. We won't let the lying false claim get the money, and it's never close enough to hire an attorney to fight it. YT is NO help. No way to contact them either... It stinks, but I don't know of a way to fight it.
I love your content.... and won't steal any from you, hang in there :)
That’s brutal! Really appreciate the kind words and hope we both never have to deal with that again!
Someone completely ripped a piece I did before and mumbled over the top of it. I got copyright flagged even though I made the track two years before theirs ? So odd.
What the hell!? That’s insane
Ugh! Technology is meant to serve artists not entrap them. Keep up the fight my dude, you make great content!
Thank you!!
Not enough people watched Terminator growing up... Haha. But honestly man the more they try to trust automated systems for regulation, the more the implications of the double edged sword of AI are presented. If it sucks, this happens, if it gets good, then it becomes a tool that can be easily used for nefarious purposes. And you made a good point about it's like copyrighting the C major triad. It's like copyrighting the alphabet. Crazy stuff.
Hahaha agreed, same with watching iRobot when I was younger 🤣
You can never really depend on youtube.
This happened to me once and I just deleted my video, it’s actually discouraged me from posting my beats in videos
That is just sad, I can’t believe the other guy was happy taking your money, I’m gonna find his video and give him stick about it
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I think the most insane part is they have a bunch of videos named "(insert famous person) Type Beat"
lol that actually makes me mad 🤣🤣💀
Thank you for this video! I couldn't agree with you more and I really feel for ya Dylan. I hope you don't give up man. Content ID is the dumbest invention ever. It cripples artists at a distributor level too. Google is so stupid!
I would dispute it anyway. If you demonstrated that you made the beat on camera in real time, I think you would win!
he did. he lost
@@GrayedSchool I think the problem is with the genre. Beats are generally put together using commonly available audio elements that can be easily acquired by anyone. That makes beats very low hanging fruit for copyright claims if you are not mixing, layering, chopping, or sound designing the elements.
I just checked a comparison between your video and run it ups video even though the beat closely resembles Run IT UP' s video it is not the same beat. There is a vast difference in style. But I can see why they flagged it. This definably needs to be disputed by a human so they can hear the differences between the 2.
Appreciate you doing that! I totally see where a simple robot system might be tripped up but like you said it’s a different track
I completely sympathize for you that’s absalutley BS.. TH-cam is messed up man… what’s worse is there’s a chance these people are purposely making simple beats knowing they can get free money from situations like this
That would be wild
That’s wild, the fact that no TH-cam employee can review these claims. Hope it works out for you
Thank you, and agreed it’s a bummer that it hasn’t been manually reviewed that way
You'll be fine bro, Keep doing what your doing its in Gods hands.
TH-cam and anything goodle is done muhboy
At the very least, make sure you have ALL your videos downloaded off of TH-cam just in case the worst happens. Subscribers and TH-cam channels are replaceable, but all the work you’ve put into making these videos over the years isn’t. It may also be worth considering a Patreon or website, both as a second income stream in case this happens again and as a secondary video host in case a video gets stricken and taken down. Sorry this is happening to you dawg.
I thought you couldn’t copyright rhythm?
Content ID is like copying rights in Stream Industry
And so much easier to enable / harder to enforce properly
I had to check out that Atlanta Prim track they are giving you grief on…… It’s had 75 views and they have disabled comments on it. I wonder how many other guys they are bothering with that joint??
75 views man. Major 😮
Yeah I think the content id system is checking against their song upload rather than just the video, I think the videos get uploaded when they put their song on all the services via a distributor (at least that's how distrokid has worked for my stuff)
This was going on in total biscuit days too i think
This has been going on for years and it just gets worse and worse the more music ends up in ContentID and on TH-cam. I have never heard of anyone actually being *happy* with ContentID, just people who are pleased with how they were able to abuse it.
Same here, it really seems more designed to pay huge labels or screw small creators than help small artists
this system must be improved
Agreed
Brother take it down. They don’t deserve it. There should be a better platform, TH-cam is no longer “great”
I agree with you. There is 12 notes in music and everyone uses the same thing. At the same time a beat that is 4/4 timing is gonna sound the same if it’s made in the same style. Lame
correct there is only so many time signatures, if they base it off that 20-25% musicians would have their music copyright claimed.
If only they flagged folks for dressing badly on camera....
Amazing burn
Get you a Patreon account put your vids up there
I had one for a while, I didn’t have my videos up there but I might make another one some day. Just didn’t feel like the right fit for my channel
@@DylanParisMusicPatreon has changed a lot in the last year, they have a free option now so smart to build your audience there
TH-cam DGAF! Simple as that!
I’ve had two completely original tracks on my SoundCloud account ‘claimed’ by Warner Music Group. Both tracks have been disabled/removed. (Both tracks are still available on Spotify.)
I’ve tried disputing the claim using SoundCloud’s claim dispute process, but I get back the same auto-response. SoundCloud simply tells me to take it up with Warner Music Group. I’ve never had a response from a human on the matter.
They’re not claiming that my tracks infringe on tracks they have publishing rights/copyright over. They’re claiming my tracks actually belong to them.
For me, music is just semi-serious hobby, so I’ve basically given up trying to get them to correct their mistake.
These platforms and their shi* y ContentID algorithms need to be held accountable. TH-cam is is particularly unwilling to respect Fair Use/Fair Dealing exemptions, but even large YT content creators who have had work unjustly claimed, such as Rick Beato, do nothing, despite having enough clout to create a stink on social media, and potentially even a crowdfunded class action lawsuit.
It’s maddening honestly
It'll come to the point that you are using someone else's words...
What I don't understand is how do so many channels put up music reviews or reaction videos which use entire songs and yet we are now being pinned for creating something like boom boom bah, boom boom bah... HEY that's my beat!!!!
For real! I know some channels that show third party content get flagged as well but in those situations it’s usually legal fair use and it’s actually someone else’s content to your point
It is a racket. I get it that everyone wants their content protected and don’t want others to profit off it. That is reasonable. The problem is it’s far from perfect.
If a system is far from perfect, it needs to be fixed if livelihoods are in place.
I feel for you and other creators Dylan, some cruel realities here in YT land for sure
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*It could be years before it happens again, but it's likely all the same(when not if).
*It's no more broken than it was 5 years ago, in reality - you've been blindly bumbling along and have been fine until now - that's not negative or criticism, but it is the reality
*By accepting YT platform to grow your audience, this rubbish lands with that territory unfortunately.
*There's nowt you can do about others likely not reviewing your video and on the face of a YT system message, taking money they're told they're entitled to.
*As bad as all of this is, and it is bad I know, imagine all monies are stripped from your hard work and the whole vid makes zero grrrrr
All I can say is this, I hope what happened brings you a new dawn of realisation. A new awareness (albeit unwelcome for sure) about what you change now. They say knowledge is power, and YT isn't gonna change - so sadly it has to come via you. Maybe, scrub through parts of the audio track. Play smaller snippets. Playing shorter parts from the different areas that were presented originally would make it hard for AI to flag it. People get away with playing copyright audio "clips" in vids and YT AI doesn't pick it up, when it's shorter. I watch channels where they play snippets of their own released music, and they don't get the AI bots flag it up. It has always been about how you do it, not what you do sadly. Your track should not have been flagged, but something within it set the flagging off unfortunately.
To me, as an outsider - there seemed zero point ignoring that warning and uploading it as it was. I know you shouldn't have to take pointless action - but it is what it is. So with this new knowledge, and changes on your part - you shouldn't see this again. But - this change will have to come from you alone, as YT will do jack shit about it. So, logically if this was me (and I appreciate it's not me) a way to mitigate this is, use smaller clips of audio, and have more than one project version edit file saved before you upload. These edits are only in the area where you plan to play complete audio - the rest of the video can be the same. You could have project A.1.1 and A.1.2. Version 1.2 could use short clips from say the start/middle and end of the beat/track instead. This would cheat the AI.
One YT channel I watch will literally when recording live, scrub through different areas of a completed released song on camera without edits and upload it without issues. So, in that respect - he's not creating 2 finished vid projects for uploading processing. So, he never plays a whole long part of his released track ever. You have to weigh up whether the changes you need to consider are worth it for you - my guess is, they would be worth it and in 3 months time you'll never think about this nightmare again.
Learn and benefit from this. Why not do something totally unique to correct this scenario? A free suggestion for ya...
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Edit the project you uploaded. Cut the AI flagged audio in places down to just say 7 second bursts from different parts of the track - not the whole thing. You can just cut/splice/fade the clips in. I've not watched the clip, so hopefully you aren't talking through it all and won't need to record new dialogue for that section. Then upload that, and prove to yourself that you can work around the crappy YT system. You've done all the work, so the edit would be peanuts in comparison. Then you can release it as a new vid here and use it to educate others too, win-win. Then you can remove the old vid and stop that other channel getting any further monies too if you like. This vid is liked regardless...
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Edit: I've just watched that section the YT AI flagged. BS for sure, but it changes nothing. I can only imagine something in the audio in the beat you were building, sounded alike in places to the other audio track from the other vid you referenced. Possibly due to the really basic beat/nature? Who knows.
Shoutout to Dylan's grandmother, sorry you had to hear Dylan cuss like that. He has such a potty mouth.
Hahahaha very true
Ridiculous..
I don't know if there is a fix that can help people in similar situations as you..
TH-cam has flagged me twice because I posted Laser Shows (animations similar to a cartoon) using CDs I own..
It was a Artistic endeavor and I pretty much have no followers and no money is involved..
So I don't post laser material now..
That’s so frustrating
Welcome to digital feudalism.
That’s so effed that you haven’t made money on YOUR VIDEO WITH A BEAT YOU MADE ON CAMERA OF YOUR OWN ACCORD 😢 freakin robots
you have such a right to be angry about this crap. Treat yourself to something if you can. And I know what you mean, but trust me you aren’t being incoherent or a baby ❤
@WRNGHAUS thanks man 🙏❤️👑
You know what, screw that guy, make the video private or delete it altogether.
🤬 come join the Patreon gang LESSS GOOOO. You said your ad revenue here is like $250 with your current subs, mine is around that too and have more than double your subs, there’s no way to make it here without endless daily grind, the content is trash here, we have gold, let’s take it to the people that actually want it, not fighting the algorithm cause they wanna show people adsandbullsheet and other bullshit like this. Take your audience to a better place, the herd will follow 🤙
JadeWii!! The legend!! Thank you for watching and the kind words! I’m considering Patreon now after your video about it and this situation
@@DylanParisMusic
This is an aggravating feature of TH-cam, but they’re so gigantic you’re only going to drive yourself nuts sadly. But the other artist being a dick that really sucks. Bullshit that they or their management claimed it.
Word, fair point!
The argument that “so much content is uploaded every day that’s it’s impossible to check it by humans” is laughable. Platforms such as YT are happy to make billions from the scale of the platform but aren’t prepared to put in the work that goes with that scale because “it would kill the business model”.
Economics rule #1 is that if your business model isn’t profitable, you should stop doing it.
So if you can’t afford enough staff to monitor hate content or copyright breaches, shut down your shop.
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Let me be ironic for a minute : Welcome to a world where, as Ben Jordan said, "your intellectual property has negative value". I, as a musician and as a DJ understood that all the gear and software I buy costs so much compared to how much the content I'm creating pays (in fact zero, because I refuse to monetize anything). Knowing that, I only do this for pleasure and wait for the day the youtube final strike arrives saying "you broke an obscure rule of this platform by playing that particular track"....
As a DJ, it wouldn’t be your intellectual property. It’s the IP of the people you’re using.
@@matthewgaines10 Yeah I know but when you are dj, you have no tool to check if your playlist will result in a copyright strike, it's like russian roulette with your channel at every live stream
This is why I left TikTok
Brutal, and understandable
Welcome to the future. Algorithms will decide what’s right and what’s wrong and the onus of proving them wrong will be on the victim. Now it’s “just” about video content, soon it will be about how you drive your car, what healthcare you need, whether you get a mortgage, whether you are a criminal.
Facts 💯
legit don't think ive ever heard you cuss bro,, that sucks
Thanks man, and yeah I usually try to keep it PG for the ad money and for younger audiences who might want to learn about this gear
This is terrible! While the AI flag is quite disappointing, the fact that the HUMAN behind the other channel chooses to eccentially steal from you is unforgivable. The "crab in a barrel" mentality is rampant. That's some BS...... Please fight for what is right - you own your work and don't let anyone steal it. IT IS WORTH THE FIGHT...
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TH-cam is so broken that Jade Wii is uploading most of her content to the free tier of her Patreon.
All of her content, baby ;) Can stream all my music for free to and a whole bunch of other dope ish ❤
This is a joke. The rhythm sounds similar and seems to be the same bpm, but it's clearly not the same song. Not even close. Why don't you just delete that part, and re-record a new improv part. Won't that bypass the issue?
I would have to fully reupload the video and would lose all the history of it, but I might
this is problematic
Take the video down. Why should they collect a nickel from you? Call him out on a protest video because he is being a dirt bag
That might solve this one video but it doesn’t stop the larger issue, plus it’s basically canning many hours of work because of a false content id claim
This isn't even complicated. Make your own sounds. Done.
It’s not about the sounds alone though it’s the rhythms. I’m not using the same sounds (drums or bass) as the song that’s claiming content id on my video