Misha's range is just mindblowing. How he can go from badass angel Cas to loving Cas to power mad Cas to even being Jimmy. Even more impressive, you know almost at a glance which version he is. He's awesome.
One thing that everybody forgets, to fight Raphael at the first time, Cas absorbed 35.000 souls from demons, which were given by Crowley as a gesture of good faith this is not pure Cas!
Oh you're right, i always knew that but i never thought of how that might have changed him, so technically he wasn't pure cas this whole season, that explains a lot. But wasn't it 50,000 souls?
It's never said that Crowley gave him demon souls. Crowley gave him 50,000 (not 35,000) souls from Hell, but they weren't necessarily demons. Demons are souls that have been broken down over time.
@@TheAlmaward you're right, they could be human souls but demons are simply human souls that have been tortured for a long time, so unless he exclusively gave him fresh new souls that just entered hell, it's still tortured souls
@@HasnaaAlaa sure. I'm just saying, they weren't necessarily demons. Also, thinking about it, they weren't necessarily inside of Cas, either. Cas could count some of the souls in Heaven on his side, just didn't control as many as Raphael, and so had to make up the difference, plus some. Crowley's 50K helped make up the difference, after thay lost the Titanic's 50K that Balth created by unsinking the ship. But being even with Raphael wasn't enough to win the war, so he had to go through with getting the souls from Purgatory, and to beat Raphael on the premises, after Crowley brought him there, Cas had to take them into himself for a quick power surge, as well as for a place to put them. He couldn't have just controlled them, like the souls he controlled from Heaven; he needed them right *there*, right *then*, in order to defeat Raphael. Which he did. ;)
Behold, Godstiel! Haha! Seriously the fact that he originally was suppose to be revealed as God all along back in Season 5 just makes this better. Amazing reaction! I love this channel so much.
The writers were so determined to make him a villain this season lol XD but the guilt he obviously feels about this for the rest of the series and the events of The Man Who Would Be King redeem him for me, he obviously knows he made a mistake. I love Castiel, no matter what he's done
@@professionalnerd4055 Thank goodness for Ben Edlund giving him sympathetic motives and Misha's face acting, which makes it clear how tormented he is. I still don't get why the hostility from other writers, but there you go.
@@sdl1ishappy So true! Ben Edlund is a gift to the Casgirls out there (and the Destiel shippers). I think the hostility is partly because the writers thought Cas was going to be a one-and-done character so they got tired of him (not me though, I can never have enough Cas content)
**Warning for spoilers and rants for Season 7 and forward …** To be fair to Sera she had no malice aforethought about Misha, but whoa boy, she surely miscalculated how the fans felt about Castiel. She wanted to go back to ‘justhebruders only’ but, as a showrunner, she should have known what worked for a 6/7-year-old show, there would be something extra that pulls viewers to your show and it is not the story alone. Your audience had remained loyal to your show, and the first thing to do would be to maintain the established beloved characters, not killing them off.... I supposed she had hoped that viewers will turn against Cas as she turned him into a villain and hurting Sam. She didn’t even give a proper redemption arc before he died. THIS! It was in bad taste. And she did it without any intention to bring him back. She teased that Cas was not 'gone' gone, while also said that she thought the Heaven storyline was done and wanted to branch out in new directions, * sigh * the contradictions here (lol… see how well that worked out for her…). Most of the newer fans like those new reactors Marco and Dakara, they are proof that you can’t simply turn characters bad, that we won’t mourn his demise, and kept hoping that he will be back. Dakara even lamented that she was not enjoying the series at this time (after Cas and Bobby died), while Marco is such a trooper … And… and the thing that I could not overlook is that in most interviews she did she always teased that Castiel would return, which was a lie she purposely put out there. Otherwise, she would put glimpses that Cas would return just like Bobby. Even Bobby she teased would return in the next episode after Death's Door when Dean’s beer was gone when he was not looking. And more glimpses after that. But not Cas. We already lost hope that Cas was not coming then boom …. episode Born-Again Identity. (Actually, we were informed that Misha was coming in episode teasers, but, whatever …it’s too little too late, fans already moved on at that time).
**Spoilers for the rest of Supernatural below** So, from a writing perspective, I get the "hostility" towards Cas. He's a massively overpowered main character and there are only so many excuses you can use as to why he's lost his powers or why he can't be around to help the boys before it gets very unrealistic. Which we kind of see as the seasons go on. And I know fans bitched about how Cas was never around in certain seasons, but he had to be purposely sidelined by losing his powers or being busy somewhere away from the brothers (or, turned into a villain, as Professional Nerd said above, where he could use his powers more) in order to explain why he couldn't be there to bail the brothers out when they needed help. If they didn't have Cas sidelined, and he did help whenever needed, it takes all stakes (and therefore drama) out, which makes for a very boring story. I imagine how to handle Cas all the time was a large thorn in the writers' sides, so I can understand why they may have wanted to get rid of that thorn. From a fan's perspective, I get why the fandom loves Cas and didn't want him to go. However, this is why I truly believe writers shouldn't listen to or cater to fans' wishes too much, as what fans want doesn't always make for good storytelling. I liked Cas as a character, but all the convoluted storylines needed to try to keep him (and Crowley, and Lucifer) around as main characters for so long only hurt the story, I felt. They should have given him an appropriately awesome exit (as a main character) from the show instead. And if they had him return to heaven or something, it would still allow him to return as a guest star when it made sense for him to return from a story standpoint. And once they didn't have to worry about working in ways to keep fan-favourites around, we might have gotten some really amazing new storylines or characters, like the storylines that brought us Cas and Crowley and Lucifer in the first place. The only way they could have kept Cas around, but avoided the issues, is to de-power him. But that comes with a whole new set of problems. If Cas has no powers, what does he bring to the team? He can't really keep up with Dean and Sam (as seen in season 9) as a de-powered being and he doesn't really have any other skills that could be useful. He'd be a redundant character (from a storytelling perspective), which is also not good storytelling. Or they could train him as a hunter, which would change the whole nature of the show from being about two brothers to being about two brothers and an ex-angel as a hunter-in-training. But Cas would still be redundant in that situation. They could have reduced his powers without taking them completely, which would at least make him non-redundant, but in this universe, even reduced angel powers would be overpowered in a hunter's world, so there would still have to be reasons why Cas couldn't just use what powers they left him with in situations where it would make the solution too easy. So not a perfect solution. They could have de-powered him, then made him a Bobby replacement (staying at the bunker to answer FBI phones and search the lore), that might have worked, but I doubt anyone would have been happy with that solution as he'd go from a main to a recurring character, and he'd replace another beloved character's role, so...it is what it is.
This was such a hard episode to watch! Not only is Sam being tortured by his past, Dean and Bobby are rendered helpless to save him, and Castiel has totally lost it! I cannot WAIT until you start the next season!
i just don’t think cas did anything wrong lmfaoo maybe i’m being biased because he’s my favorite character but they literally tried to jump start the apocalypse again and he did whatever it took to stop them and then they can’t say it’s because he was working with crowley when dean sam and bobby worked with crowley the season before … like i’m just not seeing how cas is wrong here
I know, no matter how twisted he gets I can always tell where he's coming from and why he thought the way he did. Even if he'd ended up killing Sam, I really don't think, that I could see him as a villain unless it deliberately came from a place of malice like it did with Crowley and Raphael. I connected with this character from the first scene and throughout the whole show.
Yeah, I literally don't see how else they could have survived if Cass hadn't done what he did. Raphael would have won and then it's right back to the Apocalypse.
I mean Cas told them there was a hopeless civil War in heaven and raphael was winning it. Still they questioned him all the time instead of trusting him in his desperate situation. The boys are hypocrites, they have done countless deals with demons, Sam even had a relationship with one and still they couldn't see that Cas needed to do this.
But Sam and Dean were never power hungry. Sam was when he was high on demon juice. But before the souls, Cas consciously chose to go and work with Crowley.
6:34 normal person: " sam is facing soulless sam in his brain 😡😭" Me: that's the first time sam called cas his BFF 🥺😍. We see here that cas was always gonna double cross crowley, that was his plan all along, he's no idiot, he was never gonna give the king of hell that kind of powers, he was always 2 steps ahead of him, even when crowley ran to rafael, cas was able to outsmart them both, that's the strategist leader of tropes warrior castiel in action 😍. I 💯 believe cas's plan was pretty solid, the boys would've done the same things, i am sure if he had told the boys earlier they would've been on board, the boys worked with crowley before in season 5, But he thought he can do this on his own & he kinda did. Also, remember when crowley lent cas those 50,000 souls to get back at rafael as a sign of good faith in the man who would be king? So all this season cas wasn't pure cas, he had 50,000 souls in him, that was partly the reason why he was cold & distant other than being in a war of course. Dean tells cas that they were family once & that he would've died for him & that he almost did a few times, can someone remind me of those times? Does he mean the french mistake? Coz he kinda didn't choose to do that, my recollection is that cas was the one risking his life for the winchesters in season 4's finale & the whole of season 5, I am trying to remember, i think he might've meant 4x16 when he was torturing alistair for him ( technically for heaven) although i don't think he considered cas family at that point, & maybe 4x20 when he got sucked into the jimmy drama that almost got him & sam killed by demons before cas possessed clair & saved them, but all of season 4 is just sam & dean unwillingly being in the middle of heaven & hell drama, not risking their lives to save that random angel, in season 5 all i can think of is dean helping cas with rafael but even then he knew he was never gonna be harmed coz he's michael's vessel that's why cas asked his help in the first place so no risking his life there either, i don't know what are those few times dean is talking about here, my brain is literally blanking, 404 file not found, while i can mention loads of times where cas risked his life for the winchesters. Great reaction, shelley
Oh man I'd forgotten about this episode! I'm really excited for you to see the next episode, it really clears everything up and sets up the rest of season 7. Speaking of which, a lot of people don't like season 7 but I love it, it really sets up the tone for a lot of the rest of the series and you'll get to meet some great new characters. I can't wait for you to get there, and I'm looking forward to experiencing the ride again with you! You're pretty much my favorite reactor out there.
Having been through a metaphorical situation like Sam, my connection with his character was cemented here and next season. They didn't do too much, because TV, but the connection I felt to Sam was undeniable . I loved season 6, and even much of 7, because they did a good job on what they did show. The many versions of Cass are entertaining to rewatch. :)
I love this episode. Just getting to see whats going on in Sam's head..Jared is great in this! As for Cas, I've disliked him for a long time, but I do think it was this season it really started.
Cas wasn't someone else when he brought Sam back soulless to work for Crowley, then ignored him (worse pretended he needed to dole out intense pain to find out what was wrong). He wasn't someone else when he betrayed them by pretending to burn Crowley's bones without doing it, he wasn't someone else when he destroyed Sam by destroying his wall. Yeah, this season made Castiel entirely irredeemable to me.
@@stephcinema We can agree to differ on that, he was spying on the boys for a long time and he wasn't slow to guess with the boy. Add to that, he ignored Sam's prayers. Uncaring at best.
Cas brought sam back before he made the deal with crowley as we see in the man who would be king, so when he brought sam back he had zero reasons to bring him back soulless on purpose
@@ryecroft13 He ignored Sam's prayers because he was in the middle of a war, and even then he usually still came through when the boys were in danger. I fully understand his actions.
Also wasnt someone else when he bought Samuel back and promised him he would give him Mary if he did what he and Crowley wanted. So Cas got the two best hunters together to do their bidding
Misha's range is just mindblowing. How he can go from badass angel Cas to loving Cas to power mad Cas to even being Jimmy. Even more impressive, you know almost at a glance which version he is. He's awesome.
One thing that everybody forgets, to fight Raphael at the first time, Cas absorbed 35.000 souls from demons, which were given by Crowley as a gesture of good faith
this is not pure Cas!
Oh you're right, i always knew that but i never thought of how that might have changed him, so technically he wasn't pure cas this whole season, that explains a lot. But wasn't it 50,000 souls?
It's never said that Crowley gave him demon souls. Crowley gave him 50,000 (not 35,000) souls from Hell, but they weren't necessarily demons. Demons are souls that have been broken down over time.
@@TheAlmaward you're right, they could be human souls but demons are simply human souls that have been tortured for a long time, so unless he exclusively gave him fresh new souls that just entered hell, it's still tortured souls
@@HasnaaAlaa sure. I'm just saying, they weren't necessarily demons. Also, thinking about it, they weren't necessarily inside of Cas, either. Cas could count some of the souls in Heaven on his side, just didn't control as many as Raphael, and so had to make up the difference, plus some. Crowley's 50K helped make up the difference, after thay lost the Titanic's 50K that Balth created by unsinking the ship. But being even with Raphael wasn't enough to win the war, so he had to go through with getting the souls from Purgatory, and to beat Raphael on the premises, after Crowley brought him there, Cas had to take them into himself for a quick power surge, as well as for a place to put them. He couldn't have just controlled them, like the souls he controlled from Heaven; he needed them right *there*, right *then*, in order to defeat Raphael. Which he did. ;)
God-stiel has awoken....rejoice
How about Misha's acting in this one? Holy crap.
This episode broke my heart the first time I watched
Behold, Godstiel! Haha! Seriously the fact that he originally was suppose to be revealed as God all along back in Season 5 just makes this better. Amazing reaction! I love this channel so much.
This is power-drunk Cas.
"In Cas We Trust"
It was so entertaining to watch your reaction. lol I knew this episode would have you shook. Say hello to Godstiel.
They wanted me to hate Castiel...but this just made me love him more.
The writers were so determined to make him a villain this season lol XD but the guilt he obviously feels about this for the rest of the series and the events of The Man Who Would Be King redeem him for me, he obviously knows he made a mistake. I love Castiel, no matter what he's done
@@professionalnerd4055 Thank goodness for Ben Edlund giving him sympathetic motives and Misha's face acting, which makes it clear how tormented he is. I still don't get why the hostility from other writers, but there you go.
@@sdl1ishappy So true! Ben Edlund is a gift to the Casgirls out there (and the Destiel shippers). I think the hostility is partly because the writers thought Cas was going to be a one-and-done character so they got tired of him (not me though, I can never have enough Cas content)
**Warning for spoilers and rants for Season 7 and forward …**
To be fair to Sera she had no malice aforethought about Misha, but whoa boy, she surely miscalculated how the fans felt about Castiel. She wanted to go back to ‘justhebruders only’ but, as a showrunner, she should have known what worked for a 6/7-year-old show, there would be something extra that pulls viewers to your show and it is not the story alone. Your audience had remained loyal to your show, and the first thing to do would be to maintain the established beloved characters, not killing them off....
I supposed she had hoped that viewers will turn against Cas as she turned him into a villain and hurting Sam. She didn’t even give a proper redemption arc before he died. THIS! It was in bad taste. And she did it without any intention to bring him back. She teased that Cas was not 'gone' gone, while also said that she thought the Heaven storyline was done and wanted to branch out in new directions, * sigh * the contradictions here (lol… see how well that worked out for her…). Most of the newer fans like those new reactors Marco and Dakara, they are proof that you can’t simply turn characters bad, that we won’t mourn his demise, and kept hoping that he will be back. Dakara even lamented that she was not enjoying the series at this time (after Cas and Bobby died), while Marco is such a trooper …
And… and the thing that I could not overlook is that in most interviews she did she always teased that Castiel would return, which was a lie she purposely put out there. Otherwise, she would put glimpses that Cas would return just like Bobby. Even Bobby she teased would return in the next episode after Death's Door when Dean’s beer was gone when he was not looking. And more glimpses after that. But not Cas. We already lost hope that Cas was not coming then boom …. episode Born-Again Identity. (Actually, we were informed that Misha was coming in episode teasers, but, whatever …it’s too little too late, fans already moved on at that time).
**Spoilers for the rest of Supernatural below**
So, from a writing perspective, I get the "hostility" towards Cas. He's a massively overpowered main character and there are only so many excuses you can use as to why he's lost his powers or why he can't be around to help the boys before it gets very unrealistic. Which we kind of see as the seasons go on. And I know fans bitched about how Cas was never around in certain seasons, but he had to be purposely sidelined by losing his powers or being busy somewhere away from the brothers (or, turned into a villain, as Professional Nerd said above, where he could use his powers more) in order to explain why he couldn't be there to bail the brothers out when they needed help. If they didn't have Cas sidelined, and he did help whenever needed, it takes all stakes (and therefore drama) out, which makes for a very boring story. I imagine how to handle Cas all the time was a large thorn in the writers' sides, so I can understand why they may have wanted to get rid of that thorn.
From a fan's perspective, I get why the fandom loves Cas and didn't want him to go. However, this is why I truly believe writers shouldn't listen to or cater to fans' wishes too much, as what fans want doesn't always make for good storytelling. I liked Cas as a character, but all the convoluted storylines needed to try to keep him (and Crowley, and Lucifer) around as main characters for so long only hurt the story, I felt. They should have given him an appropriately awesome exit (as a main character) from the show instead. And if they had him return to heaven or something, it would still allow him to return as a guest star when it made sense for him to return from a story standpoint. And once they didn't have to worry about working in ways to keep fan-favourites around, we might have gotten some really amazing new storylines or characters, like the storylines that brought us Cas and Crowley and Lucifer in the first place.
The only way they could have kept Cas around, but avoided the issues, is to de-power him. But that comes with a whole new set of problems. If Cas has no powers, what does he bring to the team? He can't really keep up with Dean and Sam (as seen in season 9) as a de-powered being and he doesn't really have any other skills that could be useful. He'd be a redundant character (from a storytelling perspective), which is also not good storytelling. Or they could train him as a hunter, which would change the whole nature of the show from being about two brothers to being about two brothers and an ex-angel as a hunter-in-training. But Cas would still be redundant in that situation. They could have reduced his powers without taking them completely, which would at least make him non-redundant, but in this universe, even reduced angel powers would be overpowered in a hunter's world, so there would still have to be reasons why Cas couldn't just use what powers they left him with in situations where it would make the solution too easy. So not a perfect solution. They could have de-powered him, then made him a Bobby replacement (staying at the bunker to answer FBI phones and search the lore), that might have worked, but I doubt anyone would have been happy with that solution as he'd go from a main to a recurring character, and he'd replace another beloved character's role, so...it is what it is.
This was such a hard episode to watch! Not only is Sam being tortured by his past, Dean and Bobby are rendered helpless to save him, and Castiel has totally lost it! I cannot WAIT until you start the next season!
Also, I love how detailed and intelligently thought out your recaps are.
i just don’t think cas did anything wrong lmfaoo maybe i’m being biased because he’s my favorite character but they literally tried to jump start the apocalypse again and he did whatever it took to stop them and then they can’t say it’s because he was working with crowley when dean sam and bobby worked with crowley the season before … like i’m just not seeing how cas is wrong here
Exactly!
i’m sorry but they wanted us to hate cas but i completely understand why he did what he did
No same
Same 😂 thank god ben edlund loved cas & wanted to make him look sympathetic & tell his story in the man who would be king
I know, no matter how twisted he gets I can always tell where he's coming from and why he thought the way he did. Even if he'd ended up killing Sam, I really don't think, that I could see him as a villain unless it deliberately came from a place of malice like it did with Crowley and Raphael. I connected with this character from the first scene and throughout the whole show.
Yeah, I literally don't see how else they could have survived if Cass hadn't done what he did. Raphael would have won and then it's right back to the Apocalypse.
@@jacobmielke1223 exactly
I mean Cas told them there was a hopeless civil War in heaven and raphael was winning it. Still they questioned him all the time instead of trusting him in his desperate situation. The boys are hypocrites, they have done countless deals with demons, Sam even had a relationship with one and still they couldn't see that Cas needed to do this.
But Sam and Dean were never power hungry. Sam was when he was high on demon juice. But before the souls, Cas consciously chose to go and work with Crowley.
OMG YESS I'VE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR YOU TO REACT TO THIS EPISODE!!!!
6:34 normal person: " sam is facing soulless sam in his brain 😡😭"
Me: that's the first time sam called cas his BFF 🥺😍.
We see here that cas was always gonna double cross crowley, that was his plan all along, he's no idiot, he was never gonna give the king of hell that kind of powers, he was always 2 steps ahead of him, even when crowley ran to rafael, cas was able to outsmart them both, that's the strategist leader of tropes warrior castiel in action 😍. I 💯 believe cas's plan was pretty solid, the boys would've done the same things, i am sure if he had told the boys earlier they would've been on board, the boys worked with crowley before in season 5, But he thought he can do this on his own & he kinda did.
Also, remember when crowley lent cas those 50,000 souls to get back at rafael as a sign of good faith in the man who would be king? So all this season cas wasn't pure cas, he had 50,000 souls in him, that was partly the reason why he was cold & distant other than being in a war of course.
Dean tells cas that they were family once & that he would've died for him & that he almost did a few times, can someone remind me of those times? Does he mean the french mistake? Coz he kinda didn't choose to do that, my recollection is that cas was the one risking his life for the winchesters in season 4's finale & the whole of season 5, I am trying to remember, i think he might've meant 4x16 when he was torturing alistair for him ( technically for heaven) although i don't think he considered cas family at that point, & maybe 4x20 when he got sucked into the jimmy drama that almost got him & sam killed by demons before cas possessed clair & saved them, but all of season 4 is just sam & dean unwillingly being in the middle of heaven & hell drama, not risking their lives to save that random angel, in season 5 all i can think of is dean helping cas with rafael but even then he knew he was never gonna be harmed coz he's michael's vessel that's why cas asked his help in the first place so no risking his life there either, i don't know what are those few times dean is talking about here, my brain is literally blanking, 404 file not found, while i can mention loads of times where cas risked his life for the winchesters.
Great reaction, shelley
Oh man I'd forgotten about this episode! I'm really excited for you to see the next episode, it really clears everything up and sets up the rest of season 7. Speaking of which, a lot of people don't like season 7 but I love it, it really sets up the tone for a lot of the rest of the series and you'll get to meet some great new characters. I can't wait for you to get there, and I'm looking forward to experiencing the ride again with you! You're pretty much my favorite reactor out there.
It's okay sweetie we've all been there 😂
"Don't make me lose you too"
Damn it :')
Castiel and his crazy poor stupid choices :/
I love Cas as I always did. but why are you this stupid angel?
Having been through a metaphorical situation like Sam, my connection with his character was cemented here and next season. They didn't do too much, because TV, but the connection I felt to Sam was undeniable . I loved season 6, and even much of 7, because they did a good job on what they did show.
The many versions of Cass are entertaining to rewatch. :)
Loved This Reaction, Enjoyed ever moment of it 😎👍
upon rewatching this season was not that bad, but could have been better
What was the saddest death of the show to you so far?
Personally I always felt terrible about Luther's death from yellow fever, that was just unfair and brutal
Remember, I told you to keep an open mind about who the good guys and bad guys are! ;)
Season 6 isn't as good as 4, or certainly 5, but it's still a phenomenal season of television.
I love this episode. Just getting to see whats going on in Sam's head..Jared is great in this! As for Cas, I've disliked him for a long time, but I do think it was this season it really started.
Cas wasn't someone else when he brought Sam back soulless to work for Crowley, then ignored him (worse pretended he needed to dole out intense pain to find out what was wrong). He wasn't someone else when he betrayed them by pretending to burn Crowley's bones without doing it, he wasn't someone else when he destroyed Sam by destroying his wall. Yeah, this season made Castiel entirely irredeemable to me.
Actually i dont think cass realized he brought sam back soulless until he felt inside him when he was with dean
@@stephcinema We can agree to differ on that, he was spying on the boys for a long time and he wasn't slow to guess with the boy. Add to that, he ignored Sam's prayers. Uncaring at best.
Cas brought sam back before he made the deal with crowley as we see in the man who would be king, so when he brought sam back he had zero reasons to bring him back soulless on purpose
@@ryecroft13 He ignored Sam's prayers because he was in the middle of a war, and even then he usually still came through when the boys were in danger. I fully understand his actions.
Also wasnt someone else when he bought Samuel back and promised him he would give him Mary if he did what he and Crowley wanted. So Cas got the two best hunters together to do their bidding
Season 7....🙄 The fast forward season.