Ok...but what about LEAF BLADE?! Corrections/Editing Mistakes - One like = 1 prayer point audio might be weird because the Poochyenas attacked my throat! - I have no idea why I called Tate and Liza "T&T" lol - Chikorita attacked twice in a row because it's very brave - The word "rock" disappears from Torchic's cons because I messed up saving a PNG... - "Sluggish" is mispelled in Mudkip's cons
This Leaf Blade segment is insane. You put so much effort into these videos, legitimately never seen anything close to this level of effort. Glad to have dropped a sub years ago and still not have taken 25% of my HP since then!
Oh man i love having to go back to petalburg Woods just to get poisoned, instead of just beating the Game with a Pokémon that doesnt need that annoying setup
Cheese is the type of poketuber to make an entire feature length film at such charming quality just to roast a starter to a crisp. This is the kind of raw passion I can never find out of any other poketuber. Definitely glad I subbed for the ride. As always, keep up the great work, there’s no need to rush your art!
That entire leaf blade history section was so creative and beautiful. It is exactly what we need in this era of TH-cam. It takes me back to the creativity of newgrounds creators. Please make more stuff like that! I will join whatever patreon i have to in order to see more. And your voice is so amazing, it reminds me of meatcanyon or something. Also I've been studying japanese for several years and content like this is exactly what I need to get better lol. I love it
Glad you enjoyed watching!! Not every video can have this much B O N U S content, but for a major release I had to bring in PROFESSIONAL ACTORS (they're just my friends)
I don't think anyone makes higher quality pokemon content on youtube. That skit was absolutely incredible. Plus the fire emblem and xenoblade references are always amazing.
@@smb-c3po I don't think you've watched the video or even read my comment correctly. I said they weren't equally good, yes, you can use Treecko, you can use any Pokémon, it's an easy kids game, but Torchic and Swampert are just way better
As a dedicated intern of The Cellar, the mandate of maintaining and reporting accurate Pokescience never ceases. Don't accuse me of being a GrASS lobbyist, but in the interest of painting a completely accurate matchup picture, Sceptile *does* outpeform Blaziken and Swampert on the Wallace fight by quite a significant margin. Lab results are currently on my channel since TH-cam hates links in comments. Tests were conducted with average IVs, neutral natures, moves that are available to the Pokemon at this point, and around the level the starter ought to be from using it as the premiere Pokemon in a party throughout an entire playthrough. Blaziken can really only 1v1 a single one of Wallaces mons on a good day, Swampert can comfortably take out 3 with resource investment, and Sceptile can consistently take out 5. Sceptile actually managing to defeat Gyarados in this test should be ignored, as it was dependent on a crit. Sceptile will basically always fall to it after the previous 5. What affect does this have on the final starter ratings? ...Zero. None at all. Sceptile is still of course, the worst Hoenn starter. Not even being the best on the final fight makes choosing Treecko worth it. Research complete...
Cheese this is too far. Local TH-camr puts GORE and UNBRIDLED VIOLENCE in video trailer. Also, those Poochyenas are biting you off of 30 Sp Atk! You should be fine! You hit your Res growth, right? 💪🧠
My theory about why people don't shit too much on the Hoenn dex unlike the Johto dex is that the physical / special split benefited a lot of these mons, turning them from mediocre to good or outright stellar. The fact Sceptile became worse with this change will always be funny and sad tho lmao.
I never get why people say Sceptile got worse with the physical/special split. Like Gen 4 massively improved Grass attacks like creating Energy Ball & Leaf Storm as well as buffing Leaf Blade & Giga Drain. Sceptile's special movepool also received nice buffs with Focus Blast, Dragon Pulse, and fully special Hidden Power, while its physical side only really has Earthquake and Rock Slide as the standouts but is still filled with rather weak/inconsequential coverage like ThunderPunch, Crunch, X-Scissor, Brick Break, Dragon Claw, etc. This thing doesn't get Wood Hammer either. Even if Sceptile's Atk and SpA were swapped, I still wouldn't look upon its prospects fondly; it would still need to Swords Dance to hurt things and now you've neutered its immediate attacking potential on the special side.
while energy ball and leaf storm are great moves, they're not really available to sceptile in an ingame playthrough. In oras, sceptile learns leaf storm at level 67, well after the end of the game. The energy ball tm is obtainable in the safari zone, but only once you get both bikes. My research indicates this is only possible after beating the champion, but I could be wrong on this. Either way, these moves are not really available to the treecko line. On the other hand, leaf blade got massively nerfed by coming off of the weaker attack stat. Without energy ball or leaf storm, this really is your best attacking move for the vast majority of the game, and that is not a good look. It's usable, but blatantly nerfed. In terms of coverage, it's not so bad, but I find it really funny how you mentioned focus blast and dragon pulse when: 1. sceptile already had dragon and fighting coverage, and 2. these are literally the only coverage moves it learns. Yeah, sceptile's special attacking movepool is extremely barren. It's so bad that mega sceptile with it's massive 145 base special attack regularly resorted to sub-seed strategies in the tiers it was relevant in. Sure, focus blast and dragon pulse are stronger than brick break and dragon claw, but focus blast suffers from poor accuracy, and dragon coverage is extremely niche anyway. Most of its original coverage moves like earthquake and rock slide were already physical, but it would still love to have special crunch or thunder punch as options, even if they're not amazing. basically, while the physical special split is a nerf for sceptile, it's not anything major. Leaf blade using the worse stat is annoying, but not the end of the world. The problem with sceptile is that it is simply specialized in the wrong stat for no reason. It has a massive wealth of physical coverage moves, swords dance, and a signature* physical move, but high special attack for some reason. Mega sceptile should have been a physical attacker, change my mind.
@@jerry3115 Allow me to go through each of your points: - the 'optimal' way to use ORAS Sceptile is to level Treecko up to level 21 to get Giga Drain, evolve it, then level up to 23 for Leaf Blade. And just like that, you now have Grovyle's best moves before the midway point of the game, while the other two starters would have already fully evolved by the time they get their best moves. And for the record, 90 BP Leaf Blade off Grovyle's/Sceptile's Attack stat still hits harder on average than 70 BP Leaf Blade off of their Special Attack, so this is still overall an upgrade, never mind the fact that you already have 75 BP Giga Drain by then. - Sceptile's special coverage is much smaller than Sceptile's physical movepool, but for the most part Sceptile's physical movepool doesn't really help _that_ much in the grand scheme. This is especially apparent when all of those physical moves are trying to supplement a 90 BP Leaf Blade which is pretty damn woeful for offensive Grass standards (if your name is not Kartana that is). Despite the small special movepool, Mega Sceptile's 145 SpA is more than plenty to make it tricky to wall, and the one format where it dedicated two moveslots to Leech Seed + Protect (not SubSeed btw) was because of Golisopod's presence and the fact that the Steels in the tier were already worn down by SeedTect, meaning MSceptile didn't even need the extra coverage that you think it wishes for; it's already fine in this regard. - I will agree with you on Sceptile's choice of specialization; Sceptile's movepool has a physical inclination despite what its stats portray, which makes it especially unfortunate that Sceptile has not had a single way to boost its Special Attack at any point (not even Growth). Considering even Torterra got Shell Smash, Sceptile could have appreciated like Nasty Plot or anything of the sort. As for physical Mega Sceptile, honestly I'm inclined to agree since Mega Sceptile unfortunately cannot learn Draco Meteor due to out-of-battle Mega mechanics, so making better use of the physical Dragon moves it has would help it out.
I was supposed to go to sleep, but as I started watching and seeing the huge increase in quality edits, I had to stay. Great leaf blade section. Enjoyed the entire video!
As a guy who grew up with the mystery dungeon games. My goodness the nostalgia that flows through me when I see those old 2D portrait sprites. I love it and your editing. Fantastic work
This has slowly but surely become one of my favorite yt channels...Mad respect for all the effort you put into these videos Cheese, I don't care to wait for them if they end up being this good! Keep it up!
@@VCV95if you don't give it Sharpness, flipping its Atk and SpA would actually be disastrous; higher Atk Sceptile would still need Swords Dance to adequately hurt things, but now you'd have killed the threat of its immediately stronger special attacks
@ImportedCheese Charmander actually can't learn Metal Claw in Emerald, so it can't do anything against Roxanne. Brawly is the same as the other, but it does gain favor against Wattson's Magneton. It's bad against Flannery, but Overheat may be handy against Norman's Slaking. Charizard may be decent against Winona with good matchups against Skarmory, Tropius, and immunity to Altaria's EQ. But Charizard then has nothing to handle Tate and Liza nor Juan. As for the Elite 4, anyone can beat Sidney, can do good enough damage to Phoebe, beats the Glalies and one of the Sealeos, and if you got the Dragon Claw TM, you can sweep Drake. But then Wallace washes you.
@veghesther3204 Yeah. Bulbasaur sweeps Roxanne, tanks Brawly and can Seed+Sleep cheese Watson, maybe Flannery because they're all slow, and can reasonably be fully evolved by Norman. You get Sludge Bomb after that, so you can at least do something against Winnona, Tate and Liza are a lot worse, but doable, and Juan is easy, assuming you have Growth. Elite 4 is worse since you don't have Dragon Claw for Drake, but if you go for Sunny Day+Solar Beam, Wallace is doable if you can sleep Wailord.
Still think this was the best balanced starter trio for playthroughs up until gen 8. Even if Treecko lacks behind it's not as horridly bad as Serperior or as slow as Torterra.
Terra might be slow but its a literal turtle so the flavour is fitting. Its also really good; STAB EQ at 32 (right at the fighting game with the Lucario in Platinum) is reaaallly good. Gymwise Rock, Water, Steel and Electric and a Ground E4 helps it out and it gets a good amount of coverage. Id argue its better than Empoleon personally; especially with how mid Prinplup is and Piplup not learning water gun.
Swampert is hands-down the best starter pokemon ever. Bulky, strong, balanced, only one very foreseeable weakness, able to use both physical and special attacks effectively -- what more do you need? PS: Masterful edits. Holy damn.
Your video about the Johto starters was the very first video of yours I saw, and it was why I subscribed to you. I'm happy to see one for the Hoenn starters!
Im so excited for Sceptile to be the best starter ! Afterall its the starter that the pokemon company chose to give to Ash in thr gen 3 anime and even a mega one to Sawyer in the X&Y anime, surely gamefreak would have given this thing a good movepool, theres also no way they wouldnt let it be the only one without a secondary typing
Insert Swampert as "Jeff Bush" meme with the title being : Mudkip wins Hoenn's Best Starter Caucus! With Hoenn on the background being covered with too much 💧!
Ok but sceptile’s actually perfectly fine as a subseeder in the frontier if you can breed one with leech seed. It’s especially nice in the battle pike to have a subseeder when they yeet wobbafets at you constantly in the wild Mon rooms.
Finally. After around 2 years of loyal service to the YTC Institute, the Mudkip glazing video is here Insane work on this vid Cheese!! (gen 4 starters when )
@@ImportedCheese I don't think it is unreasonable to have Feraligatr on a similar level or even above Swampert purely based on in game performance. At least the GSC incarnation of Feraligatr, it is much worse in HGSS. GSC Feraligatr has no bad matchup in the entire game. The hardest gym is probably Bugsy if you don't assume to have evolved your Totodile, or Claire if your attack is bad enough that Return boosted by Pink Bow doesn't 1HKO the Dragonairs. Sure, you can say that it is a physical water type with no good STAB move, but in reality, Return, available before the third gym, is stong enough to knock out most neutral targets, with Surf and Ice Punch being sufficient coverage for the rest. Swampert is probably better still, because most points in favor of GSC Feraligatr stem from the game being just easier than the gen 3 games.
Nah. Whilst it can’t match Gen 5, you have a ton of great options if you stick it out. You need to over level weaker mons at points like Watson, but overall it’s a top-tier gen for choices. Gen 4 is defo carried by Platinum.
@@Kaiji... "If you stick to it" is exactly the point. You can pretty much divide the gen 3 dex into two halves. One half consists of the Pokemon who you can reasonably get early, but fall off hard later. The other half consists of the Pokemon who are good later, but force you to use really bad preevolutions for a long time. The ones who don't fall into either of these category are mostly gen 1 pokemon. I can only think of the starters, Swellow, Hariyama and maybe Pelliper for examples of new gen 3 Pokemon who have neither a late evolution, nor fall off significantly as the game progresses.
I can't wait to see how highly rated Treeko is gonna be in a region with mostly water, am I right? That also means other grass types such as Tropius can do well too! If Swampert is so good, why is it QUADRUPLE weak to grass then? Checkmate!
Amazing video, it was worth the wait! Loved the toxic leech seed being INSTANT DEATH jokes... Swampert had enough time for a whole dying monologue LOL.
Cant wait for the gen 4 starter video in 2030 when gen 12 comes out and i can appreciate the silky smooth graphics of the ds as compared to gen 12 being a launch title of the switch ultra pro lite and running at about the same fps as diamond and pearl
@@ImportedCheese Keep it Chad, I admire and enjoy your work, it's so full of soul, I'm glad we have people like you in te community to make wonderful things!
12:14 I swear my "first impression" of first impression in Gen7 was the definition of a jumpscare when this Mini Godzilla suddenly outspeed my Dartrix and oneshot it. Took me a few second to process what just happend
@@ImportedCheese To slap more pain into Sceptile , while the speed is "good" , its overkill speed that will not be much needed. If Sceptile lets say have a better move pool , leaf blade is 95 , and Sceptile base special attack is a bit higher like 130 , he would definetly be "a bit better" lol. Would still be behind Blaziken and Swampert even with that.
Surely the Grass starter will be the best choice in the 7.8/10 region! Right? There's no way a Fire type would perform better in such a water heavy region. ..right?
@@M3rtyville Face facts comrade, even in Gen 1 Grass type had zero OU or UU Pokémon except for Exeggutor, and that was only because of its Psychic type. Grass is actually the second worst attacking type next to Bug in terms of types that resist it. Defensively, Grass is tied with Rock as the worst defensive typing in terms of the most weaknesses. Grass indeed is ASS.
This is going to be the weirdest comment you have ever read. The way you said "not deadly" when talking about mudkip at around 1:06:00 didn't register correctly in my brain for a full 4 seconds so I thought you just said some jibberish. For the first time in my life, I experienced what English sounds like to a person that doesn't speak it, which up until this moment was completely impossible because I speak English myself. So I want to thank you for enabling me to have an experience that should have been completely impossible. It was obviously unintentional, and the replay seemed normal no matter how much I retried it. Therefore, me hearing it the way I did and my brain short circuiting was a miraculous one in a million moment. I just want you to know that you gave me a unique experience that can never be replaced or replicated
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Ok...but what about LEAF BLADE?!
Corrections/Editing Mistakes
- One like = 1 prayer point audio might be weird because the Poochyenas attacked my throat!
- I have no idea why I called Tate and Liza "T&T" lol
- Chikorita attacked twice in a row because it's very brave
- The word "rock" disappears from Torchic's cons because I messed up saving a PNG...
- "Sluggish" is mispelled in Mudkip's cons
That whole Leaf Blade bit had more effort put into it than the entity of Legends Arceus 🤣
Tate and Tiza!
kingdra is misspelled at 1:02:52. I read it as kindergarten when I first watched.
I don't like the way you type
LEAF BLADE!
TONIGHT i WILL BE HITTING THE WOAH!11!!!!!
1 LIKE EQUALS 1 WOAN HIT!
This Leaf Blade segment is insane.
You put so much effort into these videos, legitimately never seen anything close to this level of effort. Glad to have dropped a sub years ago and still not have taken 25% of my HP since then!
Thank you for watching! The Legends Arceus sequel was released direct to TH-cam, smaller budget
@@ImportedCheesesmaller budget, higher quality content
I normally don't like super long mid-video gags but that is some SERIOUS commitment to the bit. Respect.
nobody can say I don't care about treecko
everyone knows hoenn's best starter is GUTS FACADE Swellow 😎
Brawly quaking
True
Pilot... never forget
My preferred Hoenn bird is unironically Pelliper just so I don't have to waste move slots teaching Waterfall to my Ludiocolo.
Oh man i love having to go back to petalburg Woods just to get poisoned, instead of just beating the Game with a Pokémon that doesnt need that annoying setup
These skits are so high quality it's insane. You really commit to the bit.
Thank you for watching! Some would say too committed....but the world must know the leaf blade legend...
Cheese is the type of poketuber to make an entire feature length film at such charming quality just to roast a starter to a crisp.
This is the kind of raw passion I can never find out of any other poketuber. Definitely glad I subbed for the ride.
As always, keep up the great work, there’s no need to rush your art!
Thanks for watching! Surely people will believe me when I say I care about Treecko, even though I don't think it's very good
This grass clan rpg storyline is incredible.
Swampert did nothing wrong
That entire leaf blade history section was so creative and beautiful. It is exactly what we need in this era of TH-cam. It takes me back to the creativity of newgrounds creators. Please make more stuff like that! I will join whatever patreon i have to in order to see more. And your voice is so amazing, it reminds me of meatcanyon or something.
Also I've been studying japanese for several years and content like this is exactly what I need to get better lol. I love it
Glad you enjoyed watching!! Not every video can have this much B O N U S content, but for a major release I had to bring in PROFESSIONAL ACTORS (they're just my friends)
"color wasnt invented until pokemon red and blue" got a like and sub with that joke love the energy
Poochyena tried to hide the truth from you all
The Pokémon Legend Leaf Blade is true art, I was there when I was young and that's exactly how it happened
People say you hate grass types, but the best part of the video is about them
I'm only harsh on Grass because I want them to be better
Holy fuck , you really packed the memes in on this one - 10/10 just enough water
this is the power of a 2 year development cycle
Content like Legends Leaf Blade is peak Imported Cheese right there. Trademark of the channel and why I’ll sit through these hour-long videos.
Thanks for watching, Legends Leaf Blade was very fun to make
I don't think anyone makes higher quality pokemon content on youtube. That skit was absolutely incredible. Plus the fire emblem and xenoblade references are always amazing.
Thanks for watching! Surely the Pokemon / Fire Emblem / Xenoblade meta will defeat Mr. Beast in the algorithm
dude pulled out the niche ironman references, you have my like lol
Ironmen stand ALONE
Dragon Warhammer soon....
Surely there is no way the worst starter in a region full of water is the grass one!
Right?
There's no way
They. Are. All. Equally. Valid. Choices.
I say they all equally valid choices!
@@smb-c3po Equally valid? Yes.
Equally good for an in game playthrough? No.
@@Localsoupeater They call all get you through the game just fine, Torchic can even learn Double Kick to kill Roxanne's team.
@@smb-c3po I don't think you've watched the video or even read my comment correctly. I said they weren't equally good, yes, you can use Treecko, you can use any Pokémon, it's an easy kids game, but Torchic and Swampert are just way better
The leaf blade bit was better than all of one piece
Seriously it was awesome lol
The Leaf Blade is REAL
The quality of that part was amazing. Would play legends leaf blade 10/10
As a dedicated intern of The Cellar, the mandate of maintaining and reporting accurate Pokescience never ceases. Don't accuse me of being a GrASS lobbyist, but in the interest of painting a completely accurate matchup picture, Sceptile *does* outpeform Blaziken and Swampert on the Wallace fight by quite a significant margin. Lab results are currently on my channel since TH-cam hates links in comments.
Tests were conducted with average IVs, neutral natures, moves that are available to the Pokemon at this point, and around the level the starter ought to be from using it as the premiere Pokemon in a party throughout an entire playthrough.
Blaziken can really only 1v1 a single one of Wallaces mons on a good day, Swampert can comfortably take out 3 with resource investment, and Sceptile can consistently take out 5. Sceptile actually managing to defeat Gyarados in this test should be ignored, as it was dependent on a crit. Sceptile will basically always fall to it after the previous 5.
What affect does this have on the final starter ratings?
...Zero. None at all. Sceptile is still of course, the worst Hoenn starter. Not even being the best on the final fight makes choosing Treecko worth it.
Research complete...
This comment DOES appear, not censored
makes me curious on what the stats are for Teecko over all in the required fights...
Cheese this is too far. Local TH-camr puts GORE and UNBRIDLED VIOLENCE in video trailer.
Also, those Poochyenas are biting you off of 30 Sp Atk! You should be fine! You hit your Res growth, right? 💪🧠
I have a feeling I was able to deal with those pests....PERMANENTLY
Didn’t know how badly I needed Cheese Swampert as the villain of Leafblade Chronicles until it got here. Absolutely amazing video as always.
was he the bad guy?! the evil music played during INSTANT DEATH
My theory about why people don't shit too much on the Hoenn dex unlike the Johto dex is that the physical / special split benefited a lot of these mons, turning them from mediocre to good or outright stellar.
The fact Sceptile became worse with this change will always be funny and sad tho lmao.
Justice for Sceptile, Attack and Special Attack would 100% be flipped if it was a gen 4 starter
I never get why people say Sceptile got worse with the physical/special split. Like Gen 4 massively improved Grass attacks like creating Energy Ball & Leaf Storm as well as buffing Leaf Blade & Giga Drain. Sceptile's special movepool also received nice buffs with Focus Blast, Dragon Pulse, and fully special Hidden Power, while its physical side only really has Earthquake and Rock Slide as the standouts but is still filled with rather weak/inconsequential coverage like ThunderPunch, Crunch, X-Scissor, Brick Break, Dragon Claw, etc. This thing doesn't get Wood Hammer either.
Even if Sceptile's Atk and SpA were swapped, I still wouldn't look upon its prospects fondly; it would still need to Swords Dance to hurt things and now you've neutered its immediate attacking potential on the special side.
while energy ball and leaf storm are great moves, they're not really available to sceptile in an ingame playthrough. In oras, sceptile learns leaf storm at level 67, well after the end of the game. The energy ball tm is obtainable in the safari zone, but only once you get both bikes. My research indicates this is only possible after beating the champion, but I could be wrong on this. Either way, these moves are not really available to the treecko line. On the other hand, leaf blade got massively nerfed by coming off of the weaker attack stat. Without energy ball or leaf storm, this really is your best attacking move for the vast majority of the game, and that is not a good look. It's usable, but blatantly nerfed.
In terms of coverage, it's not so bad, but I find it really funny how you mentioned focus blast and dragon pulse when: 1. sceptile already had dragon and fighting coverage, and 2. these are literally the only coverage moves it learns. Yeah, sceptile's special attacking movepool is extremely barren. It's so bad that mega sceptile with it's massive 145 base special attack regularly resorted to sub-seed strategies in the tiers it was relevant in. Sure, focus blast and dragon pulse are stronger than brick break and dragon claw, but focus blast suffers from poor accuracy, and dragon coverage is extremely niche anyway. Most of its original coverage moves like earthquake and rock slide were already physical, but it would still love to have special crunch or thunder punch as options, even if they're not amazing.
basically, while the physical special split is a nerf for sceptile, it's not anything major. Leaf blade using the worse stat is annoying, but not the end of the world. The problem with sceptile is that it is simply specialized in the wrong stat for no reason. It has a massive wealth of physical coverage moves, swords dance, and a signature* physical move, but high special attack for some reason. Mega sceptile should have been a physical attacker, change my mind.
@@jerry3115 Allow me to go through each of your points:
- the 'optimal' way to use ORAS Sceptile is to level Treecko up to level 21 to get Giga Drain, evolve it, then level up to 23 for Leaf Blade. And just like that, you now have Grovyle's best moves before the midway point of the game, while the other two starters would have already fully evolved by the time they get their best moves. And for the record, 90 BP Leaf Blade off Grovyle's/Sceptile's Attack stat still hits harder on average than 70 BP Leaf Blade off of their Special Attack, so this is still overall an upgrade, never mind the fact that you already have 75 BP Giga Drain by then.
- Sceptile's special coverage is much smaller than Sceptile's physical movepool, but for the most part Sceptile's physical movepool doesn't really help _that_ much in the grand scheme. This is especially apparent when all of those physical moves are trying to supplement a 90 BP Leaf Blade which is pretty damn woeful for offensive Grass standards (if your name is not Kartana that is). Despite the small special movepool, Mega Sceptile's 145 SpA is more than plenty to make it tricky to wall, and the one format where it dedicated two moveslots to Leech Seed + Protect (not SubSeed btw) was because of Golisopod's presence and the fact that the Steels in the tier were already worn down by SeedTect, meaning MSceptile didn't even need the extra coverage that you think it wishes for; it's already fine in this regard.
- I will agree with you on Sceptile's choice of specialization; Sceptile's movepool has a physical inclination despite what its stats portray, which makes it especially unfortunate that Sceptile has not had a single way to boost its Special Attack at any point (not even Growth). Considering even Torterra got Shell Smash, Sceptile could have appreciated like Nasty Plot or anything of the sort. As for physical Mega Sceptile, honestly I'm inclined to agree since Mega Sceptile unfortunately cannot learn Draco Meteor due to out-of-battle Mega mechanics, so making better use of the physical Dragon moves it has would help it out.
29:53 4 Fire Emblem quotes back to back. You are genius😂.
all part of my 5 star TACTICS rank
What I expected: A great analysis
What I got: A great analysis and some good TV
This video has unbelievable levels of effort, and insane production value. Like, gyat damn
Thank you for watching! Don't expect this for gen 4 staters, Turtwig fans aren't a marketable demographic
@@ImportedCheese
"But what about Shell Smash?!"
Wrong generation, pal...
I rate Torchic 7,8/10, too much water.
no spoilers
IGN can't be trusted anyway.
Peak
@@degreeskelvin3025 I forget if it can learn Grass Knot.
@@smb-c3poThat's a Gen IV move.
I really love how your videos are full of fire emblem references, it's just perfect
Pokemblem playthrough soon!
I rate this video 9/10, a better story than engage!
Explain the 1 docked point or else
Not enough blaziken propaganda
I can't believe you got Kaga to collab on the leaf blade part of the video! Cheese is really moving up in the world..
I asked you all not to tell him because of spoilers
I was supposed to go to sleep, but as I started watching and seeing the huge increase in quality edits, I had to stay. Great leaf blade section. Enjoyed the entire video!
Thank you for watching! This...took a while lol
Cheese you maniac that leaf blade segment was great!
That's SCEPTILE over there!
I'm 30 seconds into the video. My favorite is Treecko, but the answer is Mudkip.
I appreciate the honesty
As a guy who grew up with the mystery dungeon games. My goodness the nostalgia that flows through me when I see those old 2D portrait sprites. I love it and your editing. Fantastic work
we'll do mystery dungeon someday
This has slowly but surely become one of my favorite yt channels...Mad respect for all the effort you put into these videos Cheese, I don't care to wait for them if they end up being this good! Keep it up!
Thank you for waiting! Hopefully gen 4 won't take two years...
@@ImportedCheese 🤣🤣🤣
If only Gamefr*ak put as much effort into polishing their games as you did into this Leaf Blade bit.
Don't let anyone say I don't care about Treecko!!
...It's a bad starter, but I wish it wasn't
If sceptile learned all of the cutting moves and somehow had Sharpness with a flipped spatk/atk stat maybe it could be better.
@@VCV95if you don't give it Sharpness, flipping its Atk and SpA would actually be disastrous; higher Atk Sceptile would still need Swords Dance to adequately hurt things, but now you'd have killed the threat of its immediately stronger special attacks
If only GameFreak put as much effort into their games as they did into their disturbing NSFW Pokemon fanfics
Trick question. Always mod in Charmander as your starter, specially if you want that Gen 1 nostalgia with the first Gym leader being a rock type gym.
would charmander be better in hoenn than kanto? probably
@ImportedCheese Charmander actually can't learn Metal Claw in Emerald, so it can't do anything against Roxanne.
Brawly is the same as the other, but it does gain favor against Wattson's Magneton.
It's bad against Flannery, but Overheat may be handy against Norman's Slaking.
Charizard may be decent against Winona with good matchups against Skarmory, Tropius, and immunity to Altaria's EQ. But Charizard then has nothing to handle Tate and Liza nor Juan.
As for the Elite 4, anyone can beat Sidney, can do good enough damage to Phoebe, beats the Glalies and one of the Sealeos, and if you got the Dragon Claw TM, you can sweep Drake. But then Wallace washes you.
Probably NOT but Bulbasaur WOULD still be the best Gen 3 Grass type.
@veghesther3204 Yeah. Bulbasaur sweeps Roxanne, tanks Brawly and can Seed+Sleep cheese Watson, maybe Flannery because they're all slow, and can reasonably be fully evolved by Norman. You get Sludge Bomb after that, so you can at least do something against Winnona, Tate and Liza are a lot worse, but doable, and Juan is easy, assuming you have Growth. Elite 4 is worse since you don't have Dragon Claw for Drake, but if you go for Sunny Day+Solar Beam, Wallace is doable if you can sleep Wailord.
What about squirtle?
Water type has no reason not to be weak to poison.
Justice for poison offense!
I agree, would be an appropriate nerf to Water and a huge buff to Poison
That Swampert cosplay is legendary.
Bring him back for the streams
The shirt is actually red...I had to turn it blue in post
I admire the dedication to the Leaf Blade bit, even if it didn't land for me. Nobody can say you don't care about Treecko.
Gen 4 starters when.
mild criticism will NOT be tolerated
@@ImportedCheese Will you accept *strong* criticism or am I condemned to the ghouls either way
I wonder if there'll be a vid for remakes like firered or heartgold
Still think this was the best balanced starter trio for playthroughs up until gen 8. Even if Treecko lacks behind it's not as horridly bad as Serperior or as slow as Torterra.
I got bad news for you.... look at the movepool....
@@ImportedCheese Shhhhh, don't let them know. Sceptile needs its tropium
Terra might be slow but its a literal turtle so the flavour is fitting. Its also really good; STAB EQ at 32 (right at the fighting game with the Lucario in Platinum) is reaaallly good. Gymwise Rock, Water, Steel and Electric and a Ground E4 helps it out and it gets a good amount of coverage. Id argue its better than Empoleon personally; especially with how mid Prinplup is and Piplup not learning water gun.
Torterra is good, what are you talking about?
@benross9174 using piplup is an absolute slog until empoleon
36:59 this is cinema
Born in a world of STRIFE
BELLOSSOM DANCE!
@@ImportedCheese We choose to fight!!!
@@jj-vg7ft BELLOSSOM DANCE!
Swampert is hands-down the best starter pokemon ever. Bulky, strong, balanced, only one very foreseeable weakness, able to use both physical and special attacks effectively -- what more do you need?
PS: Masterful edits. Holy damn.
I think infernape is better
@@ImportedCheese well yeah, because in Gen 4, there is no better alternative to Infernape.
BORN IN A WORLD OF STRIFE
AGAINST THE ODDS
@@ImportedCheese
We choose to fight!
BLOSSOM DANCE!
Your video about the Johto starters was the very first video of yours I saw, and it was why I subscribed to you. I'm happy to see one for the Hoenn starters!
Thank you! Only took two years
I have a gut feeling which one of the trio is the worst.
There are no hints in the thumbnail
This channel is criminally under watched
We did just upload a video about crimes!
As a sceptile fan I would like to say what the rest won't. Yeah treeco sucks, but hey its good in most romhacks
ok in oras too
Such a Marvelous Ending
It's all connected
Swamper and Blaziken: Just put the fries in the bag Tree dude...
gotta wait till ORAS for the treecko career change
That swampert animated sprite looks like he's cackling
This world has no Need For SwampsLeaf buster 🔪
Maybe in Oras where he gets actual Grass moves and a Dragon Mega.
I wish...for a world....with no legendaries!!!
@@ImportedCheese
Your Leaf Blade...it did not cut deep enough!
Dude that leaf blade story was incredible and hilarious. Love your stuff man it’s always great.
Amazing video! The leaf blade segment was hilarious
Thank you! It took me...four months lol
First time seeing one of your vids, definitely worth a sub
Thanks for watching! Check out Gen 1 and 2 starters, too
the blossom dance reference caught me really off guard incredibly done, magnificent work as always
Treecko is definitely fighting against the odds
Okay, but, Imported Cheese.. you can skip Brawly and leave him up for later! So Sceptile isn't as horrib- *gets paralyzed by Wattson*
Magneton....
Jumping ahead to Wattson is just another point for Combusken and Marshtomp. 😂
Another great one. This humble intern loved every second of leaf blade slander. At least its 90 power now.
Ootachi stream till Gen 4 starter analysis.
Keep walkin pal
We all know the answer to that one so why even ask it in the first place
Man all the games I’ve ever played or not, have been referenced here in this video. You are a professor of gaming and acting
@@廖浩宇-m2r Thanks! I will be the resident prof of Gen 10
Im so excited for Sceptile to be the best starter ! Afterall its the starter that the pokemon company chose to give to Ash in thr gen 3 anime and even a mega one to Sawyer in the X&Y anime, surely gamefreak would have given this thing a good movepool, theres also no way they wouldnt let it be the only one without a secondary typing
Yeah, and in a region with too much water! It's GOTTA be the best
@@ImportedCheeseI'm guessing you dont like Sceptile or Grass types?
@@josephbulkin9222 No in fact he LOVES grass more than any other type
@@TheLudicrousLuv then what's with the grass is ass thing
Insert Swampert as "Jeff Bush" meme with the title being : Mudkip wins Hoenn's Best Starter Caucus! With Hoenn on the background being covered with too much 💧!
I would actually vote for Mudkip tho
If you are playing Emerald Mudkip is pretty much your only option cuz Swampert, Latios, Metagross is like the best team for the frontier
I think
sure you can create a better frontier team
@@ImportedCheese Meganium, Meganium, and Meganium.
@@leeeroyjenkins555 Swampert swampert swampert?
Ok but sceptile’s actually perfectly fine as a subseeder in the frontier if you can breed one with leech seed. It’s especially nice in the battle pike to have a subseeder when they yeet wobbafets at you constantly in the wild Mon rooms.
This is the first review for a set of starter trios that I watched that was needlessly and overly dramatic. Yet I loved it haha
I'd say the gen 1 and 2 videos are also really dramatic lol
We all know that plusle And Minum solo with no struggle what so ever
that's why Lacie used them in the BRUTAL Indigo Disk DLC!
I love how you used the WoW battleground music here (the base assault one) didn't know it would fit so well.
The skits are very well done as well.
@@bitthalranjit The Warsong have taken our flag
@ImportedCheese A very good thing as I only play the Horde
"THE FLAG HAS BEEN CAPTURED FOR THE HORDE!!!"
Nobody:
Blaziken: WATATATAH
Conclusion: Blaziken goat.
very glad Blaziken was in pokken
@@ImportedCheese Do you think we'll ever see a Pokken 2? There's so many new Pokemon that would be excellent for it. Like an Urshifu.
I haven't been here for a while. I'm happy to see things haven't changed.
consistent product
@@ImportedCheese how convenient
Finally. After around 2 years of loyal service to the YTC Institute, the Mudkip glazing video is here Insane work on this vid Cheese!! (gen 4 starters when )
Is it Glazing if it's deserved?!
@@ImportedCheese not sure how this zoomer lingo works, I'm sorry chef...
Mudkip is a water but he's also the 2nd best water type in the campaign unless you are playing ruby then he is just the best
Better than Blastoise and Feraligatr!
Gyarados would like a word
@@ImportedCheese I don't think it is unreasonable to have Feraligatr on a similar level or even above Swampert purely based on in game performance. At least the GSC incarnation of Feraligatr, it is much worse in HGSS. GSC Feraligatr has no bad matchup in the entire game. The hardest gym is probably Bugsy if you don't assume to have evolved your Totodile, or Claire if your attack is bad enough that Return boosted by Pink Bow doesn't 1HKO the Dragonairs.
Sure, you can say that it is a physical water type with no good STAB move, but in reality, Return, available before the third gym, is stong enough to knock out most neutral targets, with Surf and Ice Punch being sufficient coverage for the rest.
Swampert is probably better still, because most points in favor of GSC Feraligatr stem from the game being just easier than the gen 3 games.
PLEASE! Don’t discount my boy Empoleon in the next one. I BEG OF YOU!!!
well....it's not the worst one, I can say that much
18:13 IVE ALWAYS SAID THIS. HOENN’S DEX IS SO MID.
People say Gen 4 is carried by Platinum. Imo Gen 3 is carried by the Battle Frontier.
Is it even mid?! It's so bad lol...no elemental stones until super late
Ralts is god awful until gardevoir, too
My favorite Hoenn team.
Tentacruel, Kadabra, Crobat, Graveller, and Magneton.
Nah. Whilst it can’t match Gen 5, you have a ton of great options if you stick it out. You need to over level weaker mons at points like Watson, but overall it’s a top-tier gen for choices. Gen 4 is defo carried by Platinum.
MID is putting it nicely. Where are my previous gen Pokemon to transfer? Where animated sprites?
DP is so slow, it is almost unplayable.
@@Kaiji... "If you stick to it" is exactly the point. You can pretty much divide the gen 3 dex into two halves. One half consists of the Pokemon who you can reasonably get early, but fall off hard later. The other half consists of the Pokemon who are good later, but force you to use really bad preevolutions for a long time. The ones who don't fall into either of these category are mostly gen 1 pokemon. I can only think of the starters, Swellow, Hariyama and maybe Pelliper for examples of new gen 3 Pokemon who have neither a late evolution, nor fall off significantly as the game progresses.
Welp that Leaf Blade segment got my sub.
I'm a simple girl, I hear Dimitri quote, I like.
GameFreak went too far when they gave Swampert the wrath/vantage combo, what were they thinking?!
Zigzagoon learns a Normal type Leaf Blade (Headbutt) at level 9. Once again, GRASS IS ASS!!!
hey that's not fair, headbutt has 80bp and the flinch chance
Making jokes about Fire emblem and Pokemon? The two franchises I like most. Yeah you've earned my subscription.
One sub = One hammerne staff charge
@@ImportedCheese Wish I had known this during Thracia
Isnt the rival fight before Wattson a very infamous reset moment for speedrunners?
Grovyle's absorb is enough for Marshtomp to not be able to solo
yeah, but this isn't a speedrun lol
@@ImportedCheese just thought it was worth to mention you will need to switch marshtomp there
in the anime he was portrayed the weakest.
Yeah but like, just get taillow
your world of warcraft references always make me laugh cause I'm always on wow when I watch these great videos never quit! lol
Frozen Throne streams someday, featuring the almighty SPELLBREAKER
I can't wait to see how highly rated Treeko is gonna be in a region with mostly water, am I right?
That also means other grass types such as Tropius can do well too!
If Swampert is so good, why is it QUADRUPLE weak to grass then? Checkmate!
Flawless reasoning, we could use your talents at the YTC institute
Amazing video, it was worth the wait! Loved the toxic leech seed being INSTANT DEATH jokes... Swampert had enough time for a whole dying monologue LOL.
Who knows how long he would have kept yapping if it wasn't INSTANT death?!
Wtf did I just watch(referring to the leaf blade section)😂
leaked Ghost of Yotei gameplay! surely will be next year's top selling game
Art, you watched art
Your talent for charismatic scripted commentary really is something.
Ok, but what about LEAF BLADE?!
The question the viewers really want to know about!
The blend between warcraft, fire emblem, and pokemon in your videos always makes me smile.
Surely the crossover of these fandoms is a highly marketable demographic
We finally got it! Maybe there’s hope for the KEP premium one day…
Maybe one day
Cant wait for the gen 4 starter video in 2030 when gen 12 comes out and i can appreciate the silky smooth graphics of the ds as compared to gen 12 being a launch title of the switch ultra pro lite and running at about the same fps as diamond and pearl
Be sure to watch gen 4 starters on the TH-cam app of your Switch 2
QUALITY CONTENT
I just care so much about Grass types
@@ImportedCheese Keep it Chad, I admire and enjoy your work, it's so full of soul, I'm glad we have people like you in te community to make wonderful things!
just found your channel thru this vid and the entire leaf blade segment sold me keep up the good work bro 😸
Thanks for watching! Check out Gen 1 and 2 starters, too!
Pikachu, obviously
Nice try SATOSHI
12:14 I swear my "first impression" of first impression in Gen7 was the definition of a jumpscare when this Mini Godzilla suddenly outspeed my Dartrix and oneshot it. Took me a few second to process what just happend
If only it wasn't a bug move
14:00 Dw, Mega Lopunny with Close Combat (I think Play rough too???) will save you!
just gotta make it to gen 6
I like to think birch is telling this all while running around in circles
Don't worry, he dealt with the poochyena....permanently
love the editing, these starter analysis videos are always a lot of fun!
Thanks for watching! Gen 4 starters eventually
Cheese why is sceptile's movepool so dire? Why do they always shoot grass types in the legs and leave them stranded?
Just wait for gen 6 bro
@@ImportedCheese To slap more pain into Sceptile , while the speed is "good" , its overkill speed that will not be much needed. If Sceptile lets say have a better move pool , leaf blade is 95 , and Sceptile base special attack is a bit higher like 130 , he would definetly be "a bit better" lol. Would still be behind Blaziken and Swampert even with that.
IT WAS A PREQUEL TO THE SUPER EFFECTIVE SWINDLE…
And yet people continue to fall for the swindle even in these very comments....our war will never end...
I never understood why leaf blade wasn't 95 power.
I guess Gamefreak was just super overrating the crit chance boost.
Grass types aren't allowed to have good base power moves because of the INSANE SECONDARY EFFECTS WOW
The leaf blade bit was clearly the best part about the video!
Thank you! 4 months in production....plants take time to grow
Surely the Grass starter will be the best choice in the 7.8/10 region! Right? There's no way a Fire type would perform better in such a water heavy region.
..right?
Yeah....it only makes sense....
"GET OFF OUR LAWN!" As a grass unit crit quote is one of the funniest gags on this channel holy shit
If only they could actually keep their lawn safe
Grass lobbyists rise up
Grass lobbyists have overgrown the battlements
@@ImportedCheese that will sow the seed for lack of fire types in the future gens (ba dum tss)
Bro, headbutt is as strong as leaf blade and has learned by normal types around level 10. Game freak hates grass type.
They took our Razor Leaf. They took our Leech Seed + Toxic combo. They took our early evolution level. They shall not be forgiven.
@@M3rtyville Face facts comrade, even in Gen 1 Grass type had zero OU or UU Pokémon except for Exeggutor, and that was only because of its Psychic type. Grass is actually the second worst attacking type next to Bug in terms of types that resist it. Defensively, Grass is tied with Rock as the worst defensive typing in terms of the most weaknesses. Grass indeed is ASS.
Damn, i knew PL ZA was a trick to hide the true game. PL leaf blade looks amazing. Better than Argent Ascent, that Swampert glamour was awesome.
You can only render these graphics on the Switch 2, it's going to be great guys
Kyogre!
If you could start with it, sure lmao
We all know treecko wins this standoff with uh… pursuit??? Uhhhhhh leaf b- lmao.
Don't forget QUICK ATTACK
@@ImportedCheese it sure is nice the fastest of the three can use quick attack!
This is going to be the weirdest comment you have ever read. The way you said "not deadly" when talking about mudkip at around 1:06:00 didn't register correctly in my brain for a full 4 seconds so I thought you just said some jibberish. For the first time in my life, I experienced what English sounds like to a person that doesn't speak it, which up until this moment was completely impossible because I speak English myself. So I want to thank you for enabling me to have an experience that should have been completely impossible. It was obviously unintentional, and the replay seemed normal no matter how much I retried it. Therefore, me hearing it the way I did and my brain short circuiting was a miraculous one in a million moment. I just want you to know that you gave me a unique experience that can never be replaced or replicated
Not deadly