@@roborotembo7651 Does the game kill you if you go out of bounds? I found a couple of places in Artaria where sequence breaking can result in some strange instant death triggers, so wondering if those are related at all to out of bounds checks. (specifically: in the room with the early phantom cloak glitch, if you don't drain the water, then come back when it's frozen and go stand where the ice would be if you did drain the water, you die instantly, and in the same room, if you take the door that you're intended to leave the emmi zone by after getting spider magnet from the other side without lowering the spider grip barrier, if you haven't "loaded" the room behind it you clip through the barrier, but if you have it kills you instantly)
@@configchan1062 Yes. In that case when you drain the water it's normally replaced by ice, so when the layer changes into frozen artaria the ice isn't there but the Out of Bounds detection placed on it is. OoB kills you after a few frames and the grapple and morph after the beginning of falling through are meant to slightly bypass that, though we don't know why it does.
I literally thought the same thing watching this. Man at this point just watching people break this game is way more entertaing than playing it myself and i've gotten through it twice.
@@TheKing9910 It is... take the secret Kraid kill for example, you have to damage boost of an enemy to get the bombs before fighting Kraid, that's not necessarily easy, we know it was intended because you can use bombs to quick kill Kraid, and it's a sequence break just because you get the power ups in a different order than that of the "normal" route. Sure it's not wall clipping, or memory overwrite, but it's still sequence breaking.
@@EarnestGamer Oh you don't need a damage boost at all for that, both because slide jump coyote time makes it unneeded for early grapple, and early grapple isn't needed for early bombs (but unlike early bombs is actually a timesave), but it is outside of the game's critical path. The logic of sequence breaks only counting if they're not intended would disqualify at least a few of the ubiquitous ones in SM, too.
Actually it's shaping up to be more like "gravity suit never" There's only one spot left where you actually NEED it, right before getting the Wave Beam.
I barely finished one speedrun route, getting way lost along the way, before it had changed a dozen more times. Hard to keep up and now we can clip through walls I guess.
@@Metroid24242 In theory, you only really need bombs to get space jump... But that doesn't mean you can get to the section of Ferenia where it is, without speed booster, grapple beam, super missiles, AND defusion... Even with pseudowave there are still some red blobs that it doesn't work on.
@@EarnestGamer True that. We need a fan map of the game that includes map geometry before popping red blobs, and also which ones are currently passable with pseudo vs ones that aren't.
@@Metroid24242 only roadblock I've personally encountered is gravity. I get plasma and sj before diffusion (for some reason). Not sure if that's the *only* roadblock. Edit: er, no, I'm mistaken. I get plasma, but not sj before then. Oops.
I think I get where you are coming from, but maybe not. The game has some instant death moments if you enter a place you are not supposed to. Now "not supposed to" is ambiguous here but definitely if you get stuck in wall, out of bounds and such. There is one way to skip a water puzzle that later freezes after the X get loose. Then if you fall in to one of these areas that should be frozen you die instantly. So I can see you skipping too much and the game says enough.
@@LudaChez all of those are out of bounds related. The ice thing is just oob tiles in the place ice is usually there. It's not merely because it's "unintended." There are tons of skips and differing routes already.
@@JaggerG yes I understand that but if that failsafe is in the game there is a chance that if you go to the final area minus a certain item (for instance you need PBs to blow up the thing in the final elevator room) maybe the game will pull one of these stunts. That's what I'm talking about.
@@LudaChez I mean sure, it's technically possible they just check your items and go "your head asplode," but that's such a forced measure that, though typical of other studios, so far seems to go against the design philosophy of the game. I can see something like that in prime 4, but here in dread, there's sooooo much you can freely do out of order, it's really out of character for them to pull that on us. They're practically asking us, "Please, break the game."
Looking at the video is probably a property of the morph ball, shine. It seems to be pressing a, x, rz, y, lz, and b, in sequence while holding the stick at an angle to clip through the floor.
The only issue is you have to get past the cold room and do a seeker missile which takes time. I think in theory with enough tanks and speed probably could be done, but I've never attempted it. Trying to think where else cold kills you. But we already can skip the area 1 being frozen so that's the worst of it
@@themangastand8475 Getting through the cold room's been done with a ledge warp to refill energy and reset the cold damage. The real problem is the water section after it.
This last part looks straight up impossible considering how short shinespark is stored... I mean i got everything to the second pseudo correct, but I have no clue if i can get the last part
It looks like he only uses shinespark after clipping through the floor so it may not be required for the clip but rather to restore normal function after it. the clip through floor looks to be something related to opening the menu, meleeing and using grapple. crazy.
I have gotten so close to achieving that. Got every power except plasma beam, wave beam, gravity suit, ice missiles, power bombs, and cross bombs (boss doesn't spawn before Elun). Every single one of those is locked behind plasma beam in some way
Hi Robo! I am trying a pseudowave (am I saying it right). Specific location, the second one in the room with falling rubble before the first EMMI doors (after briefing). Is there a way of determining if it`s possible or not? Thanks before hand and Keep up the great vids :)
Pause buffering because the L and Y inputs have to be on the same frame. As a bonus L switches to the log and you can gauge your angle somewhat with whether or not the log scrolls
I honestly don't understand why people keep thinking that speedrunning tech would get patched in a Metroid game like unless it hard locks they are not going to patch it as Metroid and speedrunning has gone hand and hand for years. There has actually only been 1 Metroid game where it was too solid as no clips/bugs/glitches were able to be found that did not end in a soft lock save for 1 which only worked for disc not digital and only for 100% like it is so solid to the point movement optimization is the only thing to gain time in. Wait scratch that probably two if you count federation force which no one is going to remember or want to watch that
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Retro Studios actually observed forums 2003 and actually did patch out many tricks for the Trilogy disc. It's been a concern of speedrunners ever since.
@@JaggerG But why? they have been lax ever since 2011 for Ocarina of time 3D. Like don't mind me asking as i come from Zelda where they are actually very lax about patching any glitches and such even when they have the ability to over the internet hell they don't even patch Mario games. Though one thing i would not ever understand is people begging for some of the stuff to be patched such as clipping through the floor saying it would ruin the fun of the game or defeat the challenge even though they don't have to do it so it honestly ruins nothing. Also i don't know if they actually said it or not but i did hear that they would not patch speedrunning tech for Metroid Dread however some of the things they did fix were soft locks in a QoL type of change a example is if you skip the first Emmi and go back to it you are not soft locked anymore at least that's what i hear i have not confirmed it yet
Sadly no. Both ways to get to Gravity require Plasma. Intended has a Plasma door, and early requires Ice which requires Plasma to reach. If not for that, skipping Plasma would be entirely doable i believe, specifically if ice was not blocked by it since you would need to get to Ferenia somehow for Wave as that is also blocked by Plasma in the cold room connecting upper and lower
So from what it seems like, this entire sequence is definitely possible but even one failure kills the entire run, and this is like an hour in. So it's possible but not viable whatsoever. For now, at least.
I don't know... Pseudo-wavebeam was already bit weird for me, I could enjoy watching a run with it, but really don't care for including it in my runs. Going out of bounds might cross the line for me, i much prefer the skips with clever use of intended mechanics, I hope there is a healthy glitchless category
0% is possible without glitches. Just need to be really careful dodging some items like the one at Broken EMMI or the one after Morph Actually, do you have to use the cloak door with the item after Spider Magnet?
I blink and now we can literally clip through floors in Dread. What.
Only 1 tile floors (with 1 known exception) and only with speed booster. OoB detection is very strict
@@roborotembo7651 Does the game kill you if you go out of bounds? I found a couple of places in Artaria where sequence breaking can result in some strange instant death triggers, so wondering if those are related at all to out of bounds checks. (specifically: in the room with the early phantom cloak glitch, if you don't drain the water, then come back when it's frozen and go stand where the ice would be if you did drain the water, you die instantly, and in the same room, if you take the door that you're intended to leave the emmi zone by after getting spider magnet from the other side without lowering the spider grip barrier, if you haven't "loaded" the room behind it you clip through the barrier, but if you have it kills you instantly)
@@configchan1062 Yes. In that case when you drain the water it's normally replaced by ice, so when the layer changes into frozen artaria the ice isn't there but the Out of Bounds detection placed on it is. OoB kills you after a few frames and the grapple and morph after the beginning of falling through are meant to slightly bypass that, though we don't know why it does.
I literally thought the same thing watching this. Man at this point just watching people break this game is way more entertaing than playing it myself and i've gotten through it twice.
@@iceloveanime playing back through it with these tricks and breaking the game is super fun. I highly recommend that for a 3rd play through
Mercury Stream: * Includes intended sequence breaks to wink at fans *
Fans:
Im not sure if this is what they meant
Fans: haha we're just gonna find our own
It's not a sequence break if it's intended.
@@TheKing9910 It is... take the secret Kraid kill for example, you have to damage boost of an enemy to get the bombs before fighting Kraid, that's not necessarily easy, we know it was intended because you can use bombs to quick kill Kraid, and it's a sequence break just because you get the power ups in a different order than that of the "normal" route. Sure it's not wall clipping, or memory overwrite, but it's still sequence breaking.
@@EarnestGamer Oh you don't need a damage boost at all for that, both because slide jump coyote time makes it unneeded for early grapple, and early grapple isn't needed for early bombs (but unlike early bombs is actually a timesave), but it is outside of the game's critical path.
The logic of sequence breaks only counting if they're not intended would disqualify at least a few of the ubiquitous ones in SM, too.
2 Weeks from today: *Metroid Dread Skip: Gravity Suit before landing on ZDR* .
Actually it's shaping up to be more like "gravity suit never" There's only one spot left where you actually NEED it, right before getting the Wave Beam.
@@AdmiralTails That's wild. Imagine Raven Beak dumping Samus in Artaria and by the time he makes it back to Itorash she's already there waiting.
@@geneericname7138 "Finally back"
"what took you so long?"
"AAH"
@@AdmiralTails apparently there are animations for the final elevator with the power/varia suit in the game's files
Yoooo, I fuckin' swear lmao
Idek know what’s going on. But this has changed the entire game
Can you guys settle down a bit with these? I can't even practice and finish a run before a new break is discovered 😱
Well the game is not even a month old, I'd expect this to continue for a long time.
@Gerdy Gerd for real
Sheeesh. Mario odessey clips was discovered i think less than a week. Thats how the speedrun community does these things lol
3 more glitches will be discovered and implemented before sunrise.
I barely finished one speedrun route, getting way lost along the way, before it had changed a dozen more times. Hard to keep up and now we can clip through walls I guess.
Nobody:
Speedrunners in a week: Power Bomb before purchasing the game
I think they call that "pirating." :^P
play super
GDQ next year is gonna be wild with dread runs
And here I thought we had found like the biggest glitches already, it just keeps getting better
They say that clipping through the floor is harder than the sequence break at the start of the game the one right after the first Emmi skip
when metroid dread is your full-time job
I FIGURED ID TAKE A BREAK FOR A WEEK BEFORE I START RUNNING THE GAME NOW LOOK AT THIS SHIT
I'm struggling so hard on getting the shine clip to work, and completely forgot there was a Plasma door. Oh boy.
Here I was thinking that the floor clipping nonsense seen in Super Metroid wouldn't end up replicated here.
Whelp! :)
Waiting on powerbomb before defusion
That's a tricky one, because to enter hanubia you need the screw attack, and to get screw you need at least defusion as you just saw.
@@EarnestGamer if you can get space jump without diffusion then you can get screw attack without diffusion
@@Metroid24242 In theory, you only really need bombs to get space jump... But that doesn't mean you can get to the section of Ferenia where it is, without speed booster, grapple beam, super missiles, AND defusion... Even with pseudowave there are still some red blobs that it doesn't work on.
@@EarnestGamer True that. We need a fan map of the game that includes map geometry before popping red blobs, and also which ones are currently passable with pseudo vs ones that aren't.
@@Metroid24242 only roadblock I've personally encountered is gravity. I get plasma and sj before diffusion (for some reason). Not sure if that's the *only* roadblock.
Edit: er, no, I'm mistaken. I get plasma, but not sj before then. Oops.
Find it really cool how we already finding speedrunning tactics. XD
Uh what? Lmao. Thats crazy. So theoretically after speedbooster we could beat the game without collecting anything else?
I think I get where you are coming from, but maybe not. The game has some instant death moments if you enter a place you are not supposed to. Now "not supposed to" is ambiguous here but definitely if you get stuck in wall, out of bounds and such. There is one way to skip a water puzzle that later freezes after the X get loose. Then if you fall in to one of these areas that should be frozen you die instantly. So I can see you skipping too much and the game says enough.
@@LudaChez do we know of any instant death spots that are actually mandatory to go through?
@@LudaChez all of those are out of bounds related. The ice thing is just oob tiles in the place ice is usually there. It's not merely because it's "unintended." There are tons of skips and differing routes already.
@@JaggerG yes I understand that but if that failsafe is in the game there is a chance that if you go to the final area minus a certain item (for instance you need PBs to blow up the thing in the final elevator room) maybe the game will pull one of these stunts. That's what I'm talking about.
@@LudaChez I mean sure, it's technically possible they just check your items and go "your head asplode," but that's such a forced measure that, though typical of other studios, so far seems to go against the design philosophy of the game. I can see something like that in prime 4, but here in dread, there's sooooo much you can freely do out of order, it's really out of character for them to pull that on us. They're practically asking us, "Please, break the game."
Holy......wow dude. Good stuff.
the controls on my switch are not capable of doing this
This is a massive break. How the heck do you fall through the floor :O nice find!!!
Looking at the video is probably a property of the morph ball, shine. It seems to be pressing a, x, rz, y, lz, and b, in sequence while holding the stick at an angle to clip through the floor.
@@EarnestGamer ezpz
This is just comedy now. We will see sub-1 hour this year, won't we?
Probably lol
This is when speedrunning will get epic
I cant wait to see varia suit raven beak fight
Given how quickly these breaks are being discovered I wouldn't be surprised to see it done with just the base fusion-ish suit
The only issue is you have to get past the cold room and do a seeker missile which takes time. I think in theory with enough tanks and speed probably could be done, but I've never attempted it. Trying to think where else cold kills you. But we already can skip the area 1 being frozen so that's the worst of it
@@themangastand8475 Getting through the cold room's been done with a ledge warp to refill energy and reset the cold damage. The real problem is the water section after it.
Holy moly, this game is being picked apart day by day.
This last part looks straight up impossible considering how short shinespark is stored... I mean i got everything to the second pseudo correct, but I have no clue if i can get the last part
What in the actual... How!?!?
th-cam.com/video/d1uuULdnWsI/w-d-xo.html
I'm gonna bet on sub 1 hour before the new year
EXCUSE ME GOOD SIR, BUT HOW IN THE FUDGE
Whelp the any%run will be under 1 hour any day now
I'm stuck on the last boss yet there is this guy...
What magic did I just witness?
What the actual hell was that when you just phased through the floor?
This video explains how to do it th-cam.com/video/d1uuULdnWsI/w-d-xo.html
That's insane. Savage.
No ordinary player would be able to do this
As we patiently wait for a tutorial on how to do this clip...
th-cam.com/video/d1uuULdnWsI/w-d-xo.html here you go this video tells you how to do it in general
I didn’t even get sub 1:30:00 yet, and now I’m supposed to practice sub 1 hour?! Bleeding Christ!
This is awesome
I FUCKIN KNEW IT WAS POSSIBLE
The only thing I'm labbing right now is to do it without diffuse beam
the crouching pseudo at the end... what's the angle you need? Been stuck for hours. Simply can't pull it off :(
This is insane
Wait. That's illegal.
nice work
why do you melee with the shine sink clips?
I am bamboozled
How precise is the last pseudo wave shown? I got a good feel for the shine sink clip, but haven't been able to get that last shot at all
What the actual fuck.
What on earth. How in the heck do you use shinespark to clip through the floor?
It looks like he only uses shinespark after clipping through the floor so it may not be required for the clip but rather to restore normal function after it. the clip through floor looks to be something related to opening the menu, meleeing and using grapple. crazy.
@@forasago i would try to explain it but this video would do it better than i ever could th-cam.com/video/d1uuULdnWsI/w-d-xo.html
I DID IT! omg i finally did it! now to beat the game without releasing the X!
I have gotten so close to achieving that. Got every power except plasma beam, wave beam, gravity suit, ice missiles, power bombs, and cross bombs (boss doesn't spawn before Elun). Every single one of those is locked behind plasma beam in some way
Hi Robo! I am trying a pseudowave (am I saying it right). Specific location, the second one in the room with falling rubble before the first EMMI doors (after briefing). Is there a way of determining if it`s possible or not? Thanks before hand and Keep up the great vids :)
Are you talking about elaine skip?
@@ebi_tempura Yeah but I doubt he would know it's called that cos otherwise he would have just said that?
Bro, I looked down for a second to eat some noodles and when I glanced back up you went through the floor. What the actual fuck??? lol
Holy what in the actual fuck did I just watch
Wait, what’s with the editing and skipping through events?
Oh so now we just jumping through walls?
nah just floors for now
whats the purpose of opening the log for that final pseudo wave?
Pause buffering because the L and Y inputs have to be on the same frame. As a bonus L switches to the log and you can gauge your angle somewhat with whether or not the log scrolls
Bananas
what the hell... Aight bro. Aight.
Surely this will get patched?
not likely
First patch has come in, thus far no tricks have been disabled. Fingers crossed!
I honestly don't understand why people keep thinking that speedrunning tech would get patched in a Metroid game like unless it hard locks they are not going to patch it as Metroid and speedrunning has gone hand and hand for years. There has actually only been 1 Metroid game where it was too solid as no clips/bugs/glitches were able to be found that did not end in a soft lock save for 1 which only worked for disc not digital and only for 100% like it is so solid to the point movement optimization is the only thing to gain time in. Wait scratch that probably two if you count federation force which no one is going to remember or want to watch that
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Retro Studios actually observed forums 2003 and actually did patch out many tricks for the Trilogy disc. It's been a concern of speedrunners ever since.
@@JaggerG But why? they have been lax ever since 2011 for Ocarina of time 3D. Like don't mind me asking as i come from Zelda where they are actually very lax about patching any glitches and such even when they have the ability to over the internet hell they don't even patch Mario games. Though one thing i would not ever understand is people begging for some of the stuff to be patched such as clipping through the floor saying it would ruin the fun of the game or defeat the challenge even though they don't have to do it so it honestly ruins nothing. Also i don't know if they actually said it or not but i did hear that they would not patch speedrunning tech for Metroid Dread however some of the things they did fix were soft locks in a QoL type of change a example is if you skip the first Emmi and go back to it you are not soft locked anymore at least that's what i hear i have not confirmed it yet
Does this mean you can skip releasing the X, or does the game assume you've already done so if you go to places that come after releasing them?
It should be possible unless some plasma doors blocks mainline path.
Sadly no. Both ways to get to Gravity require Plasma. Intended has a Plasma door, and early requires Ice which requires Plasma to reach. If not for that, skipping Plasma would be entirely doable i believe, specifically if ice was not blocked by it since you would need to get to Ferenia somehow for Wave as that is also blocked by Plasma in the cold room connecting upper and lower
EXCUSE ME?????????
So from what it seems like, this entire sequence is definitely possible but even one failure kills the entire run, and this is like an hour in. So it's possible but not viable whatsoever. For now, at least.
TAS makers are eating tho, so that's neat
If this allow you to skip Gathora and Elun.. Its worth it.
W-H-A-T
I'm going to be honest I don't know what the fuck just happened
Lmfao fucking siiiiick
Wtf did I just watch? 🤯🤯🤯
Hey man quick question, what the fuck
I don't know... Pseudo-wavebeam was already bit weird for me, I could enjoy watching a run with it, but really don't care for including it in my runs. Going out of bounds might cross the line for me, i much prefer the skips with clever use of intended mechanics, I hope there is a healthy glitchless category
There's always a glitchless category, don't worry. Both any%, 100% and maybe 0%
@Danielle Anderson yeah I know there is, but I don't know if 0% can be achieved without glitches
0% is possible without glitches. Just need to be really careful dodging some items like the one at Broken EMMI or the one after Morph
Actually, do you have to use the cloak door with the item after Spider Magnet?
@@XenoWars nope, just take the top route through adam charge door iirc.
@@efgee9873 % only tracks minors, and they're all skippable normally.
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WEW
Que desparchado jaja 😅
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What the fuck?
these clips should definitely be patched out. I'm all for sequence breaking, but not if you have to exploit very tight and risky bugs to do them