For any one who says CGI effects in films is easy. Just remember that the first computers they try to animate devastator from revenge of the fallen on all combusted trying to render him
@@NovexusNui777 Mine is that Bay made TJ Miller's character in AOE die horribly because Miller was such a pain in the ass during production, so he killed his character like that out of spite. I still laugh at how petty it is.
Despite what the fan base wants you to believe the 2007 film did more good than harm, the movie revolutionised the transformers franchise by introducing new concepts that would later be staples in the franchise, like introducing the Allspark, bringing Bumblebee back to the spotlight, and bringing back Peter Cullen to reprise Optimus Prime
I was 11 when the first movie came out. Without it I would not have watched the G1 cartoons or the 86 Movie or Armada or Energon or read the IDW comics, I could go on and on but the point is, if it wasn't for Michael Bay I would not be the die hard fan I am today.
yeah the sequels did good but also harm like none would know or care who the fallen is without rotf and dotm pretty much started the whole sentinel prime is a corrupt leader thing even though tf animated did it first ultimately the bayformers movie are great if you ignore the writing and dialogue dont worry im sure they are not important
I still stand by the fact that the first 2007 Transformers movie was actually a pretty damn good movie and it even got Optimus’ character right first and foremost.
This is something I can agree with. 👍 👍 The 1st movie has some cool bot designs, Blackout and Ironhide really look amazing. I don't HATE Optimus' design, but something about it just doesn't look right. That's not to take away from the fun ride I had watching my favorite robots in live action. Once you get past the stupid humor, (Lubricating??!!) There's a lot of fun here. "Da WHOLE plate!!'😂😂
Not only do I love these films, they gave me something no other franchise has done so well. They really got my best friend to start to really like Transformers. I also like how proud Bay is to have gotten a whole new group of people, a new generation. When I first watched the 2007 movie I fell in love. I knew these characters from G1, and was happy to have unique, new versions of my favourite bots, Optimus, Ratchet, Starscream, all on the big screen. Without these movies, I would’ve never watched Prime, Animated, Armada, the 86 movie, and even Cyberverse. I wouldn’t have gotten to know the wonderful group of people that love this franchise, from my friend that just started watching G1, to bigger TH-camrs like Diamondbolt, PerspectiveEnd, Emperor Kumquat, Theorymus, and Paper Plane. Dispute not being the best person on the planet, the entire team behind these movies, actors, voice actors, Bay, the CGI animators and artists, and even the entire US military all worked together to bring Transformers back to the mainstream in a big way. For the sake of this whole fandom, I hope Rise of the Beasts brings myself, and new fans across the world, the same joy that Dark of the Moon did.
I want you all to prove your arguments in why you think it's okay to consider bayformers transformers and convince me why you're a good person and not some selfish narcissist that needs attention to exist get off social media touch grass Bayformers is not and never will be transformers.
@As Pooped By Anakin Skywalker Holy shit I would had never thought I would had seen a Twitter AND a reddit user hybrid throwing shit at some random guy who is happy
Same here bro, I used to be the only freind in my circles that liked it till 07 came out, all of a sudden there’s people with Brawl, Stockade, Dropkick etc to fight my 2nd form Bumblebee lol
Being a bayformer fan in the TF community does kinda suck because it feels like you almost can’t like the movies or search up anything about the movies without everyone bashing those said movies, so seeing interesting videos about the bay movies like cool info and theories is kinda hard to do because all you ever find is other TF fans bashing the movies, even when looking at videos about any TF media and shows that has nothing to do with the movies. I’m grateful to have any TH-camrs that do talk about the movies that isn’t just “the bay movies bad” such as trantheories, even though it seems hard to find any TH-camr that actually like the movies or talk interesting stuff about the movies that’s again not just “the movies are bad” and now I’m seeing people say ROTB will be like the bay films too.
Bro lmao i saw the first movie like 2 years ago and i liked it alot and i was so confused and disappointed when i found yt reviews that were saying that its bad
It was AWFUL growing up loving these movies. One couldn’t even look up anything transformers related without the comments bashing bayformers in order to get some likes.
@aidanshowers8366, I’m in the same boat. I used to not like it but I’ve grown to like it, I liked Lennox’s return and 2007-2011 musical motifs returning. Plot is iffy but my biggest gripe is the underuse of Optimus and his easy corruption and his even easier return to heroism
The last night was terrible. The autobots acted like children, fighting all the time the Deceptacon‘s were robbing banks, for whatever reason hound died, but then he wasn’t dead. Megatron was negotiating with humans, because that is a very Megatron and overall the story made zero sense
For me that was age of extinction, genuinely one of the worst movies & acting I’ve seen in my life. TLK had some familiar faces so it was acceptable. AOE was just horrible
Nah there is nothing to fear there is no way you can like them that much it's not like you made a one hour masterpiece that fixed a lot of their problems and gave them an amazing conclusion
didnt expect to find you here, btw "Finest Hour" was such a good ending for the Bayverse. You and everyone who worked on it, did such a great job because of the love of passion for the previous films
I'm not personally a huge fan, but I don't hate them, the haters quite literally just want something to hate. Or crazy G1 fanboys gatekeeping. Best to ignore them if you can.
@@metal_fusion The reboot is trash. I'm not hyped for rise of the beasts. I was at least hyped for bb movie and that was a disappointment. Bayverse on top
Having to see those types of people’s opinions growing up as a kid who just wanted to enjoy what I loved was not fun. I’m glad people are coming around but I wish this attitude was more vocal before everything was cancelled.
@@xshxr I don't, I'm saying you don't have to come into a comment section like this and be a dick to everyone trying to be positive about his movies. It just makes you seem immature.
I have loved these since i was a child, my mind was blown by the cgi and just how realistic it looks. I'm glad that everyone is starting to see them as i do.
I'm heavily nostalgic towards the first 3 movies. As someone who was introduced to the series thanks to Cybertron, the first Bayformers film had me hyped because the concept of a live-action Optimus Prime made me nut my 8-year-old pants. Even if they have issues, I still have a good amount of respect for the Bayformers trilogy. Now AOE and TLK, absolute dogwater, and very little positives I could point out.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m glad Bumblebee managed to pick things back up after the absolute disasters that were AOE and TLK, I just hope ROTB keeps that momentum going and isn’t a total train wreck.
@@xshxr exactly what were the racist and sexist jokes? If you think the jokes weren't funny, okay thats your preference. its writing is decent at best and has enjoyable moments.
Here what I think about each film. 2007: Okay ROTF: A guilty pleasure. DOTM: A good ending for the og trilogy. AOE: Pretty Good just has some missed potential. TLK: WTF!?
Aside from the all of their flaws, the one thing bayformers always gets right is the fucking music. By far the most underrated thing in cinema history. If I was the director for endgame and infinity war, I would have swapped out their entire score for the dotm soundtrack
I've loved them ever since I watched the first one, and I will never stop loving them, sure they have a lot of problems and plot holes, but no matter what they will be one of my favorite franchises of all time.
This is genuinely one of the best video essays I've ever seen on TH-cam about anything! This is some of the most objective and subjective look at the Transformers movies yet! Yes, we've all heard and we all know the flaws and shortcomings these movies have. It's all been said over and over and over again... But to have something new to say about these decade old movies and for it to come from such a genuine and authentic place is so eye opening to me. I grew up with the Michael Bay Transformers movies and if it wasn't for them I would've never become a fan of the franchise. As I grew up, I saw that the fanbase HATED these movies, calling them stupid, racist, dumb, NOT good Transformers movies yada-yada-yada... I was heartbroken! I was heartbroken that the same people who call themselves fans disliked the movies that made ME a fan. I started hating on them as well, I started seeing the flaws, started to really dislike the thing that made me love in the first place. I started watching the "REAL" Transformers media that "REAL" fans watched and loved. I liked them for the most part (G1, the 86 movie, Beast Wars) and I genuinely enjoyed them, believing that this is what Transformers is actually about. Now as I grew even older and finally got a grasp on how movies are made and how extremely difficult it is and more so creatively speaking, I think Michael Bay gave it his all! Yes, he wasn't "THE GUY" for the Transformers franchise, but these movies? These movies are his BABIES and he loves them very very much! He looked after them, he nurtured them, he LOVED them! And to know that his passion and love touched me on an emotional level when I was yonger and didn't know a lot about anything, just goes to show that he did something RIGHT!
I recently rewatched the first three movies after like 13 years form when I first watched them as a 5 year old and I'm ashamed to admit that I enjoyed them in a strange way. It might be nostalgia, but I was solidly entertained by the weird, juvenile and ridiculous over the top energy of both the action scenes and the human dialouge with some ironic enjoyment sprinkled in. Like I know they aren't high art and when I was enjoying myself watching the universally panned second one, it made me question myself if I'm plain stupid or have bad taste. Related to this when I was talking to a friend about recent movies we watched, me mentioning Dark of The Moon made me feel legitimately embarrassed. I'm glad that I now came to peace with enjoying low art turn your brain off movies and that I'm not the only one. Also they're pretty quotable and it's worth noting that when they came out, they introduced a new generation to the franchise wich included me, so that's something. Hope this brick of words from a foreign person is readable. In the end good video.
Totally readable, and relatable. I'm so glad to just see a new generation exposed to this amazing franchise. I was 7 years old when the 86 movie came out, and everyone I knew was hooked on Transformers. It's was great to see it happening again amongst my kid and their friends.
Never understood the phrase "turn your brain off" movies. When I watch a movie especially in the theater I'm focused in on what's on screen I don't just turn my brain off. The people who say turn your brain off I don't think find these generalized films (blockbusters) as films worthy of paying attention in the theater. What's funny is sometimes you'll have people say certain elements or motivations for characters don't make sense and weren't explained. Then when you ask them if they actually watched the movie they'll respond "why would I have paid attention it's just mindless action." That's more suspect to me whose the ones turning their brains off then and what makes these kind of blockbusters unworthy of paying attention to vs other films that try and be dramas. It's as if only movies with people talking for most of it with drama or melodrama is worth paying attention to which is harmful to movies in my opinion.
Haha, yeah, that is why even the bad ones are still great. The movie around them may not be great, but live action Dinobots are just awesome on the screen.
These movies and Transformers Animated were my childhood. The first three movies are good, (yes even ROTF imo, I remember loving it as a kid) AoE is okay and TLK made me braindead. But the first three hold a special place in my heart.
I defend all of them except for The Last Knight. They are guilty pleasures, but the first one came out in the same year that my son was born. So the Bay-formers was a bonding experience between me and my son.
The making of these movies are amazing like as someone who didn’t like phase 4 of marvel most of the time at least I still watch the behind the scenes and I appreciate all of the work they make for theses movies and shows even if I don’t like them at all I can’t bring myself to hate them like a lot of others cause you can tell they put heart into them and the making of them puts a whole new perspective into them especially hearing about design the hero’s and cgi and practical effects of all of it these movies deserve to be considered how heart and hard work was put into them at least before saying it’s all terrible and stupid
I've always had a soft spot for the Micheal Bay films, I've been super nostalgic for them, and I still remember them to this day. As someone who experienced the 2010's, these movies were basically my intoduction to Transofrmers as a whole. Even though I'm not much of a Transformer guy anymore and I've shifted to new hobies and interests, I will never forget these movies. I have all of the films on DVD (Except for the BumbleBee movie, although Micheal Bay didn't direct that one if I remember correctly), and It's so I still have them on me. I'm mainly talking about the first three of Bayformer, since Those are the ones I mainly remember. Even then, I remember when AOE and TLK were brand new. I used to own some TLK shirts when I was younger. (Only one I specifically remember is an obvious "optimistic" pun). I remember being obsessed with Transformers made Lego around that time. (of course I DO own the Optimus lego set) For some reason, despite the hate for ROTF, I remember actually liking ROTF. In fact, dare I say, I remember it being my favorite of all the Bay films. While I understand if anyone is more nostalgic for the G1 era, these movies were part of my young childhood, and they remain in my memories.
I’ll give bayverse transformers massive props for getting me into the franchise in the first place. Some of my earliest memories as a 5 yr old who learned how to pop a disc into the DVD player were watching tf 1 back to back with narnia. that love continued with tf prime and with every tf movie installment. Anyway I’m trans now
Well, put man. But what I appreciated the most, is when you pointed out, not only how many practical effects the first three movies had, but that c.g.i. isn't even half the labor lacking cheat!
I love TF1 and TF3. They are just fun to watch. And i knew how awesome the practical effects and stunts are but goddamn alot of this video is making me go "THAT WAS REAL?!?!". lol
I absolutely hate 3 personally, despite being a huge fan of all the others, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. The falling skyscraper and Starscream getting his head 'sploded were the only parts I enjoyed, so at least we agree there.
These movies are kind of like junk food to me. For the most part they’re bad and unhealthy, but at the same time they are very nostalgic and kind of fun to me. While they ain’t perfect, that I know very much, but I really do look fondly at them from time to time.
What pisses me off that the animators for the auto bots are busting their asses to make every transformation, movement, and pose and people don’t like it for some particular reason…
Conceptually, yes. You can like the Bay films. But if I hear another Bay fan trying to ruin stuff because they love Bay so much, then I'm going to flip.
@@benjamingomez1761 and yet Geewuners are the ones who bully anyone who likes TFP over G1 while us Bayverse fans praise TFP doesn’t sound like we’re on the same coin unlike Geewuners we appreciate change
It was the first movie that introduced me to the Transformers as a kid. The Bayverse movies are really nostalgic to me as those were my favorite movies growing up. The visuals, the soundtrack, the characters, the action, and especially the toyline all got me into the wider Transformers franchise as a whole. Might have also influced me a lot, the Camaro became my dream car cause of the movie. Fast forward to now, I know now that these movies aren't perfect, and some might honestly not be that great (Last Knight being an example), but I still do love the movies, especially the original 3, and can't help but enjoy the movies and watch them whenever I get the chance.
Of course, I love bayformers personally, except last knight of course. That movie frazzled my brain so damn much in terms of continuity it turned itself into a smelting pool of its own
I believe the general consisence is most like the first 3. A decent following for the 4th and everyone hates the 5th. And Bumblebee was a great step in the right direction just too small in scale but thats ok since it helped correct the mess of the 5th.
I do love the bay verse movies, I will put them on as backround noise or something and get caught up in it because of how good the action is. And it always has me coming back for more
One of the biggest things I loved about the Bayfilms is the crazy, outlandish and alien designs of the Transformers. When I was a kid, it caught my attention immediately because I loved (still do) aliens and humanoid aliens with distinct, mysterious cultures. I remember watching the Bayverse Transformers and completely teleporting to a different world, even if it made me very paranoid as a kid that a car on the road would randomly transform and blow something up. A big part of what did that is the crazy loud designs despite not being super colorful even though a lot of people don't like them. Some of my favorite designs are some of the most hated designs too, like the flying dorito, the unicycle robot women and robot Einstein. They're exciting and interesting. Over the years, I've come to love them more and more especially as the fandom moves towards this Return to G1 which gave me near immediate burnout when I knew what to expect. Even with RotB, there's only a few Transformers that I really want to see but I'm sure they won't get a lot of screen time, Pablo, Nightbird, Battletrap and Scourge are really the only ones I'm really curious about and/or want to see. When it comes to the live action, I have and always will love the first three Bayfilms. Anything after that, Bumblebee included, hasn't really done it for me since
For everyone curious, a youtuber called Pointlesshub is making a review series where he reviews the Bayverse. It's a pretty entertaining review series and it feels fair to the Bayverse, both in its highs and in its lows.
A plus that these films have is being consistent in the robot mode designs with changes happening when the story deemed it necessary. which is a thing that knight verse does not do.
I WILL ADMIT I LOVE THE “BAYFORMERS” Too!!!! But no seriously I LOVE TRANSFORMERS THEY MEAN ALOT TO ME EVEN WHEN I WAS LITTLE!!! This is a franchise I have been completely invested not only by the toys but the franchise was so interesting! A very cool premise in my opinion, but then 2007 came along and Transformers got its first live action movie!!!! I ABSOLUTELY STILL LOVE TRANSFORMERS (2007), it’s so NOSTALGIC!!!! CGI STILL HOLDS UP 16 YEARS LATER, SOUNDTRACK IS STILL AMAZING!!!!!! I actually had the chance to see this movie in theaters last year to celebrate its 15th anniversary and had a really good time!!!! Enjoying every moment!!!!! 2 is ok, LOVE THE INTRO SHANGHAI BATTLE SEQUENCE, FOREST BATTLE IS AMAZING, DEVASTATOR COMBINING ( minus the adult joke in that like really… was that necessary) 3 IS AMAZING!!!! 4 IS OK, DINOBOTS ALL THE WAY!!!!!! 5 is terrible Bumblebee restored my faith to the Transformers franchise, G1!!!!!!
I liked the first three transformers movies and I wish that it ended after dark of the moon. I kinda wish the original ending for the third movie wasn’t rewritten.
That would be horrible why would you truce with someone who played a major part in your planet and entire populations, generations etc. downfall? It just does not end like that. Eons of battles of both sides trying to stop the opposite and their leader, only to be let down by a truce between said leaders that could have happened long ago and saved the entire planet from doom. You will never walk away from that. Also 4 and 5 > 3
This is actually the one i grew up with. I really dont know why people loved the Gen 1 designs. I really liked the bayformers design, especially soundwave
Gonna just paste this comment I made on a video about Bayverse Optimus because I feel it's relevant here: 'Yeeaaah, G1 fans can cry about his characterization all they want- I cry about it a lot too -but the fact of the matter is, it's thanks to this guy that Transformers got so much life breathed into it's mainstream presence. War for Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, Prime, Bumblebee, Devastation, all the stuff that's come out in recent years that Transformers fans love? Yeah, we have Murder Prime to thank for it. Watching Optimus shred Deceptions in a summer block busting trilogy is what reignited the average joe's interest in Transformers, not Able Lincoln Optimus preaching about peace and playing basket ball. (Stuff that I love, don't get me wrong) People saw Bay's Optimus and went "Damn, this Transformers stuff is pretty cool. Let's invest our time, interest and money into it". The guy deserves respect for that much, mane.' In addition, I'll also add to it by saying that the first Michael Bay Transformers movie was genuinely a good film. Not perfect, but more earnest and source-accurate than people give it credit for. It even has a decent score on Metacritic. It had incredible FX for the time that still hold up now, a fun and terrifying take on Decepticons- That admittedly got stale as more and more sequels got shat out -and a *very* accurate interpretation of Optimus Prime who put peace first unless humans were in danger. The franchise didn't go down hill until the sequels, starting with Revenge of the Fallen. If you hate the first one... I think you need to tone down the nostalgia bias and give it another chance, man. If you disagree tho, you disagree. I'm not trynna pick any fights here, I swear.
What i love is how alien the transformers in the movies are, and how the Decepticons and Autobots distinguish themselves based on their ideologies. Ofc the decepticons have unreadable, insectoid and even horrifying faces, because thats what they are and they dont care to hide their true selves, unlike the Autobots, who changed their faces to look humanoid and assimilate themselves with human culture to show that they are not here to harm us. Only when they were threatening humans would they speak English (except Nitro zeus, who wants Enriques wife to know he says hi), while the Autobots never spoke cybertronian while on screen. They have tattoos, which implies art and creativity on Cybertron, smth we dont see a lot in most transformers media that isnt the comics. I just love it all, dont get me started on how all the minicons with the Decepticons are clearly much more appreciated than the ones with the Autobots, and also how ravage is a giant 7 ft kitty i-
Bayformers is genuinely one of the most entertaining franchises I've seen. Not good, or well-written, or even decent. But God damn is it fun to watch giant robots tear each other limb from limb while everything around them explodes as if there's TNT built into the streets. The utterly impeccable CGI helps with that.
Every critic (especially on TH-cam) acts like they only have the highest and most exquisite taste in film, but the fact is people can enjoy action films with big explosions, impressive CGI that holds up after all these years, and practical effects that could've EASILY been done in a CGI sound set and most likely would have if these were made today (not a dig against ROTB, I'm excited for that movie, and I can't wait to see it). But for people to act like these are a sin against cinema, or that this hurts the Transformers franchise... clearly not true. These movies made billions of dollars, it revitalized the Transformers franchise when it was at its lowest point, and breathed new life into it, as well as bringing in so many new fans. They aren't perfect, I agree, and I'm not saying you can't criticize them or say why you personally dislike them, and Bay is not the ultimate TF fan, but at the same time, he still gave us thrill-rides to watch in theaters every few Summers, and to this day has inspired many new fans with their stop motion series to make their own stories, whether based on the film continuity, or just their own thing. And they're growing up to become filmmakers, who may very well make their own films for us to see in theaters one day. Maybe future Transformers filmmakers.
i love bayformer transformers, the first one he made was the first time i was introduced to robots, see those big ass robot’s compared to Sam and Mikaela blew my little mind, the first movie will always have a soft spot in my heart, i didn’t like the second one that much but i enjoyed the fighting scenes as a kid a lot, same with dotm, the last hour of that movie was insane and I loved it as a child, and when age of extinction came out i was excited because i just loved transformers, and i watched the last knigbt and i wouldnt say i enjoyed but the first time watching it still gave me that childlike feeling of transformers 2007, i cant really ever see myself bashing these movies, i guess im a little bias
Always defended the first three, and continue to do so. The guy had passion, and actually done something new and interesting with a small little franchise, that prepelled it into worldwide fame!
This is such a w take and a great video. It preaches exactly what I've been trying to convey for years. It's okay to like something if you resonate with it since that's just how art works. Just because you dont like a certain creation or artwork doesn't mean everyone must hate it as well. Furthermore, it's okay to see the flaws in something but still enjoy it. A great example of this is cw's the Flash, a show I hold near and dear to my heart. Although I enjoy the show greatly, I find the criticisms of its inconsistent writing, valid, and somewhat interesting. These issues shouldn't have to take away from the art piece as a whole. The transformers series is a great example of this as well. The movies, without a shadow of a doubt, have a multitude of issues narratively, comically, so on and so forth, but that doesnt mean the art presented in the work as a whole is absolutely meaningless. Great video. Take my subscription.
And that's a truth I don't think people are willing to, or ready to hear. It brought the franchise to a huge audience, and honestly the Cybertron games wouldn't be the way they are if not for the first three films.
I liked RiD 2015. It was my first transformers show. So I understand why some people form a special attachment to the movies if they have seen them the first
Name me one franchise that has a combination of these 17 things: Amazing action sequences, aesthetically pleasing sci-fi elements, funny comedy, hot sex appeal, attractive looking cars that can go fast, a large scale, amazing sound design, amazing visual design, nice songs and scores in its soundtracks, genre blending versatility on top of the action sci-fi elements, Transformers elements, characters with strong, unique, entertaining personalities that were sometimes relatable, emotional moments, romance factor, real life elements incorporated into their lore or just realism in general, high stakes and layered storytelling I love all 5 Bayformers films and I don't think any other movies comes close and I'm not apologizing for that, it hurts being in the minority but that wouldn't stop me from fighting for my love for these films against these cynics, much love to Michael Bay and everyone involved in the franchise, the fans, and this video, hope to see more love given to these movies in the future, they deserve it with all the ambition put into these films
Man, I'm so with you. I know they are critically not the best movies ever but the Bay Transformer movies is a franchise that I can never get tired of. The human characters ,comedy, the action, effects, scale, sound design, the glossy way it's shot just gets me. In fact I just love Bay as a visual director. To me the bumble movie is boring compared to the energy I get from watching Bay's Transformers. I wish he would direct more instead of produce. Oh and the music in those movies from Steve Jablonsky is underrated.
@@brealll9647 It's a shame we're in the extreme minority, even Bay himself has succumbed to the consensus and let other people direct as he believes they might understand what the people want more while he just takes the producer role, these movies check off all these boxes more than any other movies can
Honestly I love these movies and always have. They may not be G1 accurate, storyline may fall apart a bit but I still enjoyed them. The designs, the detail of each bot, the battles! Love them all. I love the stories aswell, the later films still have good stories on their own.
3:15 This is why I watch bonus features before and after movies. I want to see the dedication out into the film and how much the actors and crew enjoyed doing their job. Are they miserable, are they having fun, is the reunion fun for the og actors? I can never bring myself to hate movies because of the bonus features showing me how much love they put into it. It’s why I can never really hate any movie shown to me. Except for Twilight and Wish, those movies can burn in hell.
While the Bayverse movies legitimately have awful stuff such as how they treat the female characters and…the less said about the twins, the better, they do have great stuff such as the visual effects, characters such as Crosshairs and Hound, the action sequences, and characters such as Optimus shows that there’s legitimately great stories buried underneath the garbage. It’s been a mixed bag for me when it comes to these movies, but it doesn’t mean I’m gonna diss people who genuinely like these movies. 🤷🏽♀️ Maybe in another universe with better writing and more cohesion of the stories, these movies could’ve been more. 😔
Thank you for putting out there that people shouldn’t be bullied for liking these movies or seen as stupid. I know many people my age could relate to this when they were younger but telling people they were into transformers was always such a hard thing to do and often was just looked down upon or childish. I recall making the unfortunate mistake of telling fellow classmates about my transformers review channel in middle school and that’s when bullying started. And yet oddly enough through all of that, I just kept moving along and making videos and enjoying the franchise I loved because the community around it was always as eager as me to share their excitement for it. I think that says a lot about how much these people cared, and how it inspired them to push forward despite what others may think.:.
They're good movies with bad stories but great vibes to the characters and story to give them that mainstream Hollywood appeal. Not what I look for in transformers movies, or transformers stories and characters in general, but they certainly made Transformers at least be a bigger known franchise. It's a lot like what people view as the worst of Snyderverse, movies that conflict with what the fanbase want for their own ideal movie franchise over time once the honeymoon period is down. But the engagement and craft to those movies are PEAK.
This is probably the first time I've heard Michael Bay speak. No hate towards him, but I honestly didn't think he'd sound like that, he's more nasally than I expected.
Thank you for making this video! The bayverse was the introduction to this franchise! Sure sometimes robot get a little screentime and so on. But even as a kid, I don't really care, I just liked the explosion, the actions, and more! I especially loved how Optimus fucking murder decepticons with no remorss. Without theese movies , I will never ever know many about Transformers like shows, games, etc. Hopefully, ROTB can revive this movie franchise in an awesome way!
I got a DVD of the first transformers film. Watching the behind the scenes was like seeing the Burj Khalifa of filmmaking as a kid to the point where I literally got curious if an actor died on set because of how dangerous the practical effects were. I think I have never seen an action movie that can compete to it besides John Wick. And in that last portion, Michael bay was right. I rewatched the first two (Soon i'll rewatch 3 and 4) as an adult. And damn do they still make me smile regardless of both critic and youtube hate the sequels received! Not to mention being the sole movie series responsible for brining back Transformers from dying obscurity. I don't know if I would ever watch transformers armada or animated series because studio execs never gave a greenlight to make the film. I don't know if I'll ever buy an action figure of both optimus and megatron as a kid. Heck call this conspiratiorial connection. But this movie series seems to have born my favoritism of really obscure characters. Like Braw/Devastator (The tank, not the construction abomination with wrecking balls for testes) and Blackout. And countless unpopular characters outside transformers media
Rotf is my favorite bayformers movie it doesn't deserve the hate. Its flawed but far from the worst. The worst is definitely the Last Knight its just so boring.
I genuinely really like the 2007 movie. And while I don’t like the others, they still have great scenes, like Prime vs Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor, and as you said, the building scene from DotM.
I've never seen a sane G1 fan, never seen a toxic Bayfan. Legit it's insane how despite making 3+ billion from the general audience, the small percentage of the internet somehow has a larger voice at the point where fun isn't allowed.
Crybaby geewunners were the ones complaining. The bay films were made to be blockbusters and most of them succeeded in just that. You want good story? Read IDW. The movies were awesome and I'll always stand by that. I don't need anyone telling me its okay to love them. I do so proudly.
I have never seen any of the transformers movie’s until a few weeks ago when I decided to watch all of five of them in a row and I actually really liked them
My favourite was always the first one. Third has good battles, 2 has sideswipe. And that's it for me Now, the whole deconstruction of the dotm skyscraper scene gave me a new love for that scene
Honestly I've always felt nostalgic for the Bayformers films (but I wouldn't call it the best Transformers content--that would go to TFA). It wasn't always a hit, but when it was, it was ON POINT. I also think the spectacle--at least in the first 3 films anyways--was always masterfully done and sure, the designs weren't the greatest, but hot DAMN did the CGI look good. There's just a lot of shots in the Transformers films that look like absolute eye candy (the car shots were what made me absolutely love vehicle modes for the Transformers). And again, action scenes were fire. The forest battle in 2, Chicago in 3, Mission City in 1--they were stellar. (Also the first film shared so much with Animated and that was so FUCKING COOL. Transformers continuities where the Autobots are portrayed as underdogs and more like civilians against Military is cool as hell)
Yeah, I love the Michael Bay Transformers movies, but I actually do agree. There is one there is 1 thing that I fear about the Transformers. Movies are being bad movies. Cause that really scares me a lot. Because I love Transformers much as I like Pacific Rim. Or other robot movies.
The hardest part for me is to tell others that I like all of the first 4 bayformers movies more than the bumblebee movie, just find them more entertaining
Whether fans of the original like it or not, Michael Bay re invigorated Transformers with the 2007 film. I mean his version of Bumblebee (Radio voice, Micro phone mouth, big doughy eyes, door wings) has become the new undisputed look for bumblebee that will be the standard of all bumblebees to come. Like even Travis Knights bumblebee movie felt like it was missing the Bayverse edge and because of that I was a little bored watching it
2007 and DOTM are both amazing in my opinion. Sure, they may not be fine art, by they are so spectacular, memorable and just entertaining, that I can't help adoring them. This may seem crazy, but I'd put both of them in my top 10 movies of all time. ROTF and AOE are also underrated and at least okay in my eyes. TLK is pretty terrible, but even it has some redeeming qualities.
I grew up watching these movies. Idc what anyone says about them, they will always hold a special place in my heart as they were some of the first movies I watched that were PG-13. Well excpet The Last Knight, that movie was awful.
I still don't get how so many people hate you for liking the bayverse transformers movies. Yes the movies weren't perfect, but I actually enjoyed them, and got hyped everytime a new trailer got announced. And i still watch them cause it has lots of action and characters that i grew up loving. They bring a sence of nostalgia everytime i rewatch them. 🚙🤖
I was growing up in the Armada, energon, cybertron era so I didn't care at all that the characters I knew looked way different because they did every few years. I loved the first 3 movies, especially the first one. I don't even think 4 and 5 are bad, just not as good as 1-3. I mean you get the robots in disguise in the first movie, you get the military reaction to them in the second while trying to hide from the general public, and then the whole world's reaction in 3. The transformers look so damn good and so does the rest of the movie. The plots are fun and engaging. If they were really bad then people just wouldn't talk about them anymore but people still are.
For any one who says CGI effects in films is easy. Just remember that the first computers they try to animate devastator from revenge of the fallen on all combusted trying to render him
I think they used multiple computers to process each body part separately…
That shit was my favorite fun fact because I just started wheezing uncontrollably.
@@NovexusNui777 Mine is that Bay made TJ Miller's character in AOE die horribly because Miller was such a pain in the ass during production, so he killed his character like that out of spite. I still laugh at how petty it is.
@@jahrusalem3658 oh God XD
Despite what the fan base wants you to believe
the 2007 film did more good than harm, the movie revolutionised the transformers franchise by introducing new concepts that would later be staples in the franchise, like introducing the Allspark, bringing Bumblebee back to the spotlight, and bringing back Peter Cullen to reprise Optimus Prime
And took aspects from every transformers series preceding it and not just g1
I was 11 when the first movie came out. Without it I would not have watched the G1 cartoons or the 86 Movie or Armada or Energon or read the IDW comics, I could go on and on but the point is, if it wasn't for Michael Bay I would not be the die hard fan I am today.
yeah the sequels did good but also harm like none would know or care who the fallen is without rotf and dotm pretty much started the whole sentinel prime is a corrupt leader thing even though tf animated did it first ultimately the bayformers movie are great if you ignore the writing and dialogue dont worry im sure they are not important
The issue is it got dumb quick and they didnt give a fuck about telling a coherent story
The 07 film was not the origin of the Allspark. That was Beast Wars.
I still stand by the fact that the first 2007 Transformers movie was actually a pretty damn good movie and it even got Optimus’ character right first and foremost.
This is something I can agree with. 👍 👍 The 1st movie has some cool bot designs, Blackout and Ironhide really look amazing. I don't HATE Optimus' design, but something about it just doesn't look right. That's not to take away from the fun ride I had watching my favorite robots in live action. Once you get past the stupid humor, (Lubricating??!!) There's a lot of fun here.
"Da WHOLE plate!!'😂😂
Yeah, it's an objectively good movie.
I heavily agree, it went downhill after that
Tf1 is the best sci fi movie of all time
It absolutely didn't, but it was still entertaining
Not only do I love these films, they gave me something no other franchise has done so well. They really got my best friend to start to really like Transformers. I also like how proud Bay is to have gotten a whole new group of people, a new generation. When I first watched the 2007 movie I fell in love. I knew these characters from G1, and was happy to have unique, new versions of my favourite bots, Optimus, Ratchet, Starscream, all on the big screen. Without these movies, I would’ve never watched Prime, Animated, Armada, the 86 movie, and even Cyberverse. I wouldn’t have gotten to know the wonderful group of people that love this franchise, from my friend that just started watching G1, to bigger TH-camrs like Diamondbolt, PerspectiveEnd, Emperor Kumquat, Theorymus, and Paper Plane. Dispute not being the best person on the planet, the entire team behind these movies, actors, voice actors, Bay, the CGI animators and artists, and even the entire US military all worked together to bring Transformers back to the mainstream in a big way. For the sake of this whole fandom, I hope Rise of the Beasts brings myself, and new fans across the world, the same joy that Dark of the Moon did.
I hope so but I don't see it doing the same
I want you all to prove your arguments in why you think it's okay to consider bayformers transformers and convince me why you're a good person and not some selfish narcissist that needs attention to exist get off social media touch grass Bayformers is not and never will be transformers.
@As Pooped By Anakin Skywalker Holy shit I would had never thought I would had seen a Twitter AND a reddit user hybrid throwing shit at some random guy who is happy
@@GODCONVOYPRIME Bayverse is Transformers cry some more these movies made the big bucks I’m sorry people liked them lol loser!
Same here bro, I used to be the only freind in my circles that liked it till 07 came out, all of a sudden there’s people with Brawl, Stockade, Dropkick etc to fight my 2nd form Bumblebee lol
Being a bayformer fan in the TF community does kinda suck because it feels like you almost can’t like the movies or search up anything about the movies without everyone bashing those said movies, so seeing interesting videos about the bay movies like cool info and theories is kinda hard to do because all you ever find is other TF fans bashing the movies, even when looking at videos about any TF media and shows that has nothing to do with the movies. I’m grateful to have any TH-camrs that do talk about the movies that isn’t just “the bay movies bad” such as trantheories, even though it seems hard to find any TH-camr that actually like the movies or talk interesting stuff about the movies that’s again not just “the movies are bad” and now I’m seeing people say ROTB will be like the bay films too.
Do u have a dis. cor. .d?
Bro lmao i saw the first movie like 2 years ago and i liked it alot and i was so confused and disappointed when i found yt reviews that were saying that its bad
It was AWFUL growing up loving these movies. One couldn’t even look up anything transformers related without the comments bashing bayformers in order to get some likes.
Same for liking the Sequel trilogy of Star Wars
It's the sad truth
I can almost never find anything movie related without some angry fans spitting all their hatred towards these movies...
The only Bayformer movie I even actively disliked was the last knight, and even then overtime I grew to accept it.
@aidanshowers8366, I’m in the same boat. I used to not like it but I’ve grown to like it, I liked Lennox’s return and 2007-2011 musical motifs returning. Plot is iffy but my biggest gripe is the underuse of Optimus and his easy corruption and his even easier return to heroism
Same
Revenge of the fallen is way worse. At least the last knight was kind of funny.
The last night was terrible. The autobots acted like children, fighting all the time the Deceptacon‘s were robbing banks, for whatever reason hound died, but then he wasn’t dead. Megatron was negotiating with humans, because that is a very Megatron and overall the story made zero sense
For me that was age of extinction, genuinely one of the worst movies & acting I’ve seen in my life. TLK had some familiar faces so it was acceptable. AOE was just horrible
I loved them all from the moment they were released. Fear me.
Nah there is nothing to fear there is no way you can like them that much it's not like you made a one hour masterpiece that fixed a lot of their problems and gave them an amazing conclusion
more like take a shower
Finally a worthy opponent.
didnt expect to find you here, btw "Finest Hour" was such a good ending for the Bayverse. You and everyone who worked on it, did such a great job because of the love of passion for the previous films
The first trilogy is best! Aoe and Tlk aren’t even movies to be calling worthy
I wonder if the people who make hating Bayformers a key part of their personality will ever take this to heart.
Probably not.
I'm not personally a huge fan, but I don't hate them, the haters quite literally just want something to hate. Or crazy G1 fanboys gatekeeping. Best to ignore them if you can.
@@metal_fusion The reboot is trash. I'm not hyped for rise of the beasts. I was at least hyped for bb movie and that was a disappointment. Bayverse on top
@@metal_fusion bb movie horrible
Having to see those types of people’s opinions growing up as a kid who just wanted to enjoy what I loved was not fun. I’m glad people are coming around but I wish this attitude was more vocal before everything was cancelled.
They won't. They're sometimes the same people as "critics". It's sad but it's true.
The soundtrack to TF 1 is genuinely awesome.
@@xshxrfax.
I LOVE his rendition of “It’s Our Fight,” and obviously “Arrival to Earth”
Nope. Prove it.
When Doomsday from Smashing Pumpkins kicked in as Bee was taking on Brawl 👌
@@GODCONVOYPRIMEOptimus vs Megatron
You are a Soldier now
These tracks are cool
Steve Jablonsky cooked on all five films.
man i wish i could meet Micheal Bay
the guy really did made our childhood
@@xshxryeesh, you're in like every reply section. You need to chill out
@@xshxr I don't, I'm saying you don't have to come into a comment section like this and be a dick to everyone trying to be positive about his movies. It just makes you seem immature.
@@xshxr the op would have to be a girl for your comment to make sense
I have loved these since i was a child, my mind was blown by the cgi and just how realistic it looks. I'm glad that everyone is starting to see them as i do.
Everyone did, TH-camrs just like to gaslight people for clout. The sales numbers for 2007 compared to 86 speak for themselves
Yeah me too!!
Very glad you brought up the human characters in these movies they're all so ridiculous It's fun
They’re like cartoon characters, just over the top for no reason whatsoever lmao
Simmons is the best character istg
I'm heavily nostalgic towards the first 3 movies. As someone who was introduced to the series thanks to Cybertron, the first Bayformers film had me hyped because the concept of a live-action Optimus Prime made me nut my 8-year-old pants. Even if they have issues, I still have a good amount of respect for the Bayformers trilogy.
Now AOE and TLK, absolute dogwater, and very little positives I could point out.
Aoe is literally the best tf movie
AOE and ROTF are not even bad. TLK wasn't that good though, I didn't enjoy it.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m glad Bumblebee managed to pick things back up after the absolute disasters that were AOE and TLK, I just hope ROTB keeps that momentum going and isn’t a total train wreck.
@@xshxr exactly what were the racist and sexist jokes? If you think the jokes weren't funny, okay thats your preference. its writing is decent at best and has enjoyable moments.
@@xshxr that is a straight up lie
Here’s the brutal truth Stories might be okay but Bay’s “Transformers are digitally Masterpiece”.
Underrated in many ways.
I grew up with Bayformers and i don't even care if it's nostalgia blind, i love all the movies (yes, that includes AOE and TLK)
Same :D
Nope Tlk is just as terrible as Star Wars the Last jedi
@@metal_fusion i agree (althought, i haven't watched The Last Jedi so i don't know if it's terrible or not) TLK is hot garbage trash
@@metal_fusionTLK is only slightly better because Sir Hopkins shouting at people was kinda funni, TLJ only had that leaf slap joke.
Here what I think about each film.
2007: Okay
ROTF: A guilty pleasure.
DOTM: A good ending for the og trilogy.
AOE: Pretty Good just has some missed potential.
TLK: WTF!?
Aside from the all of their flaws, the one thing bayformers always gets right is the fucking music. By far the most underrated thing in cinema history. If I was the director for endgame and infinity war, I would have swapped out their entire score for the dotm soundtrack
Watching Dark of the Moon in a theater when I was a dumb little kid was the coolest shit ever
My first transformers movie and the last good one not counting AOG TLK TBM
I watched dotm in when it came out when I was 7 man I feel old
@ulester3092 Yea I saw it when I was about 9 or 10.. I'm so old
“its ok to like bayformers"
Yeah no shit!
Only my parents likes bayformers
@@anonymoustroll2432 sure
I've loved them ever since I watched the first one, and I will never stop loving them, sure they have a lot of problems and plot holes, but no matter what they will be one of my favorite franchises of all time.
This is genuinely one of the best video essays I've ever seen on TH-cam about anything!
This is some of the most objective and subjective look at the Transformers movies yet!
Yes, we've all heard and we all know the flaws and shortcomings these movies have. It's all been said over and over and over again...
But to have something new to say about these decade old movies and for it to come from such a genuine and authentic place is so eye opening to me.
I grew up with the Michael Bay Transformers movies and if it wasn't for them I would've never become a fan of the franchise. As I grew up, I saw that the fanbase HATED these movies, calling them stupid, racist, dumb, NOT good Transformers movies yada-yada-yada... I was heartbroken!
I was heartbroken that the same people who call themselves fans disliked the movies that made ME a fan. I started hating on them as well, I started seeing the flaws, started to really dislike the thing that made me love in the first place. I started watching the "REAL" Transformers media that "REAL" fans watched and loved. I liked them for the most part (G1, the 86 movie, Beast Wars) and I genuinely enjoyed them, believing that this is what Transformers is actually about.
Now as I grew even older and finally got a grasp on how movies are made and how extremely difficult it is and more so creatively speaking, I think Michael Bay gave it his all! Yes, he wasn't "THE GUY" for the Transformers franchise, but these movies? These movies are his BABIES and he loves them very very much! He looked after them, he nurtured them, he LOVED them! And to know that his passion and love touched me on an emotional level when I was yonger and didn't know a lot about anything, just goes to show that he did something RIGHT!
I recently rewatched the first three movies after like 13 years form when I first watched them as a 5 year old and I'm ashamed to admit that I enjoyed them in a strange way. It might be nostalgia, but I was solidly entertained by the weird, juvenile and ridiculous over the top energy of both the action scenes and the human dialouge with some ironic enjoyment sprinkled in. Like I know they aren't high art and when I was enjoying myself watching the universally panned second one, it made me question myself if I'm plain stupid or have bad taste. Related to this when I was talking to a friend about recent movies we watched, me mentioning Dark of The Moon made me feel legitimately embarrassed. I'm glad that I now came to peace with enjoying low art turn your brain off movies and that I'm not the only one. Also they're pretty quotable and it's worth noting that when they came out, they introduced a new generation to the franchise wich included me, so that's something. Hope this brick of words from a foreign person is readable. In the end good video.
Totally readable, and relatable. I'm so glad to just see a new generation exposed to this amazing franchise. I was 7 years old when the 86 movie came out, and everyone I knew was hooked on Transformers. It's was great to see it happening again amongst my kid and their friends.
It’s like if family guy did transformers but it’s official
Nah it had nothing to do with you being stupid or with bad taste, these movies are generally hood
Never understood the phrase "turn your brain off" movies. When I watch a movie especially in the theater I'm focused in on what's on screen I don't just turn my brain off. The people who say turn your brain off I don't think find these generalized films (blockbusters) as films worthy of paying attention in the theater.
What's funny is sometimes you'll have people say certain elements or motivations for characters don't make sense and weren't explained. Then when you ask them if they actually watched the movie they'll respond "why would I have paid attention it's just mindless action."
That's more suspect to me whose the ones turning their brains off then and what makes these kind of blockbusters unworthy of paying attention to vs other films that try and be dramas. It's as if only movies with people talking for most of it with drama or melodrama is worth paying attention to which is harmful to movies in my opinion.
The reason i LOVED all 5 movies was alot simpler than anything you discussed; i love giant robots beating each other up. 🤷🏻♂️
Haha, yeah, that is why even the bad ones are still great. The movie around them may not be great, but live action Dinobots are just awesome on the screen.
These movies and Transformers Animated were my childhood. The first three movies are good, (yes even ROTF imo, I remember loving it as a kid) AoE is okay and TLK made me braindead. But the first three hold a special place in my heart.
I defend all of them except for The Last Knight. They are guilty pleasures, but the first one came out in the same year that my son was born. So the Bay-formers was a bonding experience between me and my son.
The making of these movies are amazing like as someone who didn’t like phase 4 of marvel most of the time at least I still watch the behind the scenes and I appreciate all of the work they make for theses movies and shows even if I don’t like them at all I can’t bring myself to hate them like a lot of others cause you can tell they put heart into them and the making of them puts a whole new perspective into them especially hearing about design the hero’s and cgi and practical effects of all of it these movies deserve to be considered how heart and hard work was put into them at least before saying it’s all terrible and stupid
Most of them at least Thor 4 was really the only I could tell there wasn’t any loved put into it
@@chupppy2086 ironic since love is in the title of that movie
I've always had a soft spot for the Micheal Bay films, I've been super nostalgic for them, and I still remember them to this day. As someone who experienced the 2010's, these movies were basically my intoduction to Transofrmers as a whole. Even though I'm not much of a Transformer guy anymore and I've shifted to new hobies and interests, I will never forget these movies. I have all of the films on DVD (Except for the BumbleBee movie, although Micheal Bay didn't direct that one if I remember correctly), and It's so I still have them on me. I'm mainly talking about the first three of Bayformer, since Those are the ones I mainly remember. Even then, I remember when AOE and TLK were brand new. I used to own some TLK shirts when I was younger. (Only one I specifically remember is an obvious "optimistic" pun). I remember being obsessed with Transformers made Lego around that time. (of course I DO own the Optimus lego set)
For some reason, despite the hate for ROTF, I remember actually liking ROTF. In fact, dare I say, I remember it being my favorite of all the Bay films.
While I understand if anyone is more nostalgic for the G1 era, these movies were part of my young childhood, and they remain in my memories.
oh ye devastator was the main reason why i loved rotf lmao
The fact that we got like 7 extremely high production films out of a godd*mn toy franchise is a miracle in itself, we gotta thank him for starting it
I grew up with these films, and even liked AOE and TLK a significant amount. I'm really glad that you've made this video.
I’ll give bayverse transformers massive props for getting me into the franchise in the first place. Some of my earliest memories as a 5 yr old who learned how to pop a disc into the DVD player were watching tf 1 back to back with narnia. that love continued with tf prime and with every tf movie installment.
Anyway I’m trans now
Well, put man. But what I appreciated the most, is when you pointed out, not only how many practical effects the first three movies had, but that c.g.i. isn't even half the labor lacking cheat!
I love TF1 and TF3. They are just fun to watch. And i knew how awesome the practical effects and stunts are but goddamn alot of this video is making me go "THAT WAS REAL?!?!". lol
I absolutely hate 3 personally, despite being a huge fan of all the others, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. The falling skyscraper and Starscream getting his head 'sploded were the only parts I enjoyed, so at least we agree there.
@genyakozlov1316 Please tell me you’re joking. Especially about the Starscream head thing.
These movies are kind of like junk food to me.
For the most part they’re bad and unhealthy, but at the same time they are very nostalgic and kind of fun to me.
While they ain’t perfect, that I know very much, but I really do look fondly at them from time to time.
The difference is that there's no art in most junk foods
Junk food isn't even unhealthy. It's how much you eat of it that determines
@@PoIarisPrime biggest lie ever, it is indeed unhealthy
@@PieroMinayaRojas Nope. Fast foods exist and are good for you long as you don't eat them too much.
@@PoIarisPrimefast foods are undoubtedly not good for your health
What pisses me off that the animators for the auto bots are busting their asses to make every transformation, movement, and pose and people don’t like it for some particular reason…
Conceptually, yes. You can like the Bay films. But if I hear another Bay fan trying to ruin stuff because they love Bay so much, then I'm going to flip.
You’re confusing us for Geewuners they’re the reason why a lot of us fans don’t care about the franchise anymore
Both sides
@@Galvatron_Studios Nahh you Bay fans and Geewunners are 2 sides of the same coin, just get into any ROTB comment section.
@@benjamingomez1761 and yet Geewuners are the ones who bully anyone who likes TFP over G1 while us Bayverse fans praise TFP doesn’t sound like we’re on the same coin unlike Geewuners we appreciate change
@@Galvatron_StudiosNo, you guys are not that modest.
Great video! I loved your description of the skyscraper scene and how you narrate things XD
It was the first movie that introduced me to the Transformers as a kid. The Bayverse movies are really nostalgic to me as those were my favorite movies growing up. The visuals, the soundtrack, the characters, the action, and especially the toyline all got me into the wider Transformers franchise as a whole. Might have also influced me a lot, the Camaro became my dream car cause of the movie.
Fast forward to now, I know now that these movies aren't perfect, and some might honestly not be that great (Last Knight being an example), but I still do love the movies, especially the original 3, and can't help but enjoy the movies and watch them whenever I get the chance.
Of course, I love bayformers personally, except last knight of course. That movie frazzled my brain so damn much in terms of continuity it turned itself into a smelting pool of its own
I see you've taken the Michael BAYSED pill.
I believe the general consisence is most like the first 3. A decent following for the 4th and everyone hates the 5th. And Bumblebee was a great step in the right direction just too small in scale but thats ok since it helped correct the mess of the 5th.
I do love the bay verse movies, I will put them on as backround noise or something and get caught up in it because of how good the action is. And it always has me coming back for more
One of the biggest things I loved about the Bayfilms is the crazy, outlandish and alien designs of the Transformers. When I was a kid, it caught my attention immediately because I loved (still do) aliens and humanoid aliens with distinct, mysterious cultures. I remember watching the Bayverse Transformers and completely teleporting to a different world, even if it made me very paranoid as a kid that a car on the road would randomly transform and blow something up. A big part of what did that is the crazy loud designs despite not being super colorful even though a lot of people don't like them. Some of my favorite designs are some of the most hated designs too, like the flying dorito, the unicycle robot women and robot Einstein. They're exciting and interesting. Over the years, I've come to love them more and more especially as the fandom moves towards this Return to G1 which gave me near immediate burnout when I knew what to expect. Even with RotB, there's only a few Transformers that I really want to see but I'm sure they won't get a lot of screen time, Pablo, Nightbird, Battletrap and Scourge are really the only ones I'm really curious about and/or want to see.
When it comes to the live action, I have and always will love the first three Bayfilms. Anything after that, Bumblebee included, hasn't really done it for me since
Heavily agree with what you said in the beginning. Watching the behind the scenes footage of ‘07 Transformers movie made me love it even more.
Transformers fans love gatekeeping different transformers franchise
For everyone curious, a youtuber called Pointlesshub is making a review series where he reviews the Bayverse. It's a pretty entertaining review series and it feels fair to the Bayverse, both in its highs and in its lows.
A plus that these films have is being consistent in the robot mode designs with changes happening when the story deemed it necessary. which is a thing that knight verse does not do.
I grew up with bayformers, I love most of the designs, it was like my g1.
I WILL ADMIT I LOVE THE “BAYFORMERS” Too!!!! But no seriously I LOVE TRANSFORMERS THEY MEAN ALOT TO ME EVEN WHEN I WAS LITTLE!!! This is a franchise I have been completely invested not only by the toys but the franchise was so interesting! A very cool premise in my opinion, but then 2007 came along and Transformers got its first live action movie!!!!
I ABSOLUTELY STILL LOVE TRANSFORMERS (2007), it’s so NOSTALGIC!!!! CGI STILL HOLDS UP 16 YEARS LATER, SOUNDTRACK IS STILL AMAZING!!!!!! I actually had the chance to see this movie in theaters last year to celebrate its 15th anniversary and had a really good time!!!! Enjoying every moment!!!!!
2 is ok, LOVE THE INTRO SHANGHAI BATTLE SEQUENCE, FOREST BATTLE IS AMAZING, DEVASTATOR COMBINING ( minus the adult joke in that like really… was that necessary)
3 IS AMAZING!!!!
4 IS OK, DINOBOTS ALL THE WAY!!!!!!
5 is terrible
Bumblebee restored my faith to the Transformers franchise, G1!!!!!!
The designs and transformations will always be cool.
This franchise is unlike any other, and I love it
I liked the first three transformers movies and I wish that it ended after dark of the moon. I kinda wish the original ending for the third movie wasn’t rewritten.
That would be horrible why would you truce with someone who played a major part in your planet and entire populations, generations etc. downfall? It just does not end like that. Eons of battles of both sides trying to stop the opposite and their leader, only to be let down by a truce between said leaders that could have happened long ago and saved the entire planet from doom. You will never walk away from that. Also 4 and 5 > 3
If it wasn’t for bayformers I wouldn’t be a transformers fan.
This is actually the one i grew up with. I really dont know why people loved the Gen 1 designs. I really liked the bayformers design, especially soundwave
9:28 “titanfall player of the group”
And I smiled
Gonna just paste this comment I made on a video about Bayverse Optimus because I feel it's relevant here:
'Yeeaaah, G1 fans can cry about his characterization all they want- I cry about it a lot too -but the fact of the matter is, it's thanks to this guy that Transformers got so much life breathed into it's mainstream presence. War for Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, Prime, Bumblebee, Devastation, all the stuff that's come out in recent years that Transformers fans love? Yeah, we have Murder Prime to thank for it. Watching Optimus shred Deceptions in a summer block busting trilogy is what reignited the average joe's interest in Transformers, not Able Lincoln Optimus preaching about peace and playing basket ball. (Stuff that I love, don't get me wrong) People saw Bay's Optimus and went "Damn, this Transformers stuff is pretty cool. Let's invest our time, interest and money into it". The guy deserves respect for that much, mane.'
In addition, I'll also add to it by saying that the first Michael Bay Transformers movie was genuinely a good film. Not perfect, but more earnest and source-accurate than people give it credit for. It even has a decent score on Metacritic. It had incredible FX for the time that still hold up now, a fun and terrifying take on Decepticons- That admittedly got stale as more and more sequels got shat out -and a *very* accurate interpretation of Optimus Prime who put peace first unless humans were in danger. The franchise didn't go down hill until the sequels, starting with Revenge of the Fallen. If you hate the first one... I think you need to tone down the nostalgia bias and give it another chance, man. If you disagree tho, you disagree. I'm not trynna pick any fights here, I swear.
What i love is how alien the transformers in the movies are, and how the Decepticons and Autobots distinguish themselves based on their ideologies. Ofc the decepticons have unreadable, insectoid and even horrifying faces, because thats what they are and they dont care to hide their true selves, unlike the Autobots, who changed their faces to look humanoid and assimilate themselves with human culture to show that they are not here to harm us. Only when they were threatening humans would they speak English (except Nitro zeus, who wants Enriques wife to know he says hi), while the Autobots never spoke cybertronian while on screen. They have tattoos, which implies art and creativity on Cybertron, smth we dont see a lot in most transformers media that isnt the comics. I just love it all, dont get me started on how all the minicons with the Decepticons are clearly much more appreciated than the ones with the Autobots, and also how ravage is a giant 7 ft kitty i-
"If you attack either side, you are a dipshit"
That is so true!
Bayformers is genuinely one of the most entertaining franchises I've seen. Not good, or well-written, or even decent. But God damn is it fun to watch giant robots tear each other limb from limb while everything around them explodes as if there's TNT built into the streets. The utterly impeccable CGI helps with that.
Every critic (especially on TH-cam) acts like they only have the highest and most exquisite taste in film, but the fact is people can enjoy action films with big explosions, impressive CGI that holds up after all these years, and practical effects that could've EASILY been done in a CGI sound set and most likely would have if these were made today (not a dig against ROTB, I'm excited for that movie, and I can't wait to see it).
But for people to act like these are a sin against cinema, or that this hurts the Transformers franchise... clearly not true. These movies made billions of dollars, it revitalized the Transformers franchise when it was at its lowest point, and breathed new life into it, as well as bringing in so many new fans. They aren't perfect, I agree, and I'm not saying you can't criticize them or say why you personally dislike them, and Bay is not the ultimate TF fan, but at the same time, he still gave us thrill-rides to watch in theaters every few Summers, and to this day has inspired many new fans with their stop motion series to make their own stories, whether based on the film continuity, or just their own thing. And they're growing up to become filmmakers, who may very well make their own films for us to see in theaters one day. Maybe future Transformers filmmakers.
i love bayformer transformers, the first one he made was the first time i was introduced to robots, see those big ass robot’s compared to Sam and Mikaela blew my little mind, the first movie will always have a soft spot in my heart, i didn’t like the second one that much but i enjoyed the fighting scenes as a kid a lot, same with dotm, the last hour of that movie was insane and I loved it as a child, and when age of extinction came out i was excited because i just loved transformers, and i watched the last knigbt and i wouldnt say i enjoyed but the first time watching it still gave me that childlike feeling of transformers 2007, i cant really ever see myself bashing these movies, i guess im a little bias
Always defended the first three, and continue to do so. The guy had passion, and actually done something new and interesting with a small little franchise, that prepelled it into worldwide fame!
This is such a w take and a great video. It preaches exactly what I've been trying to convey for years. It's okay to like something if you resonate with it since that's just how art works. Just because you dont like a certain creation or artwork doesn't mean everyone must hate it as well. Furthermore, it's okay to see the flaws in something but still enjoy it.
A great example of this is cw's the Flash, a show I hold near and dear to my heart. Although I enjoy the show greatly, I find the criticisms of its inconsistent writing, valid, and somewhat interesting. These issues shouldn't have to take away from the art piece as a whole.
The transformers series is a great example of this as well. The movies, without a shadow of a doubt, have a multitude of issues narratively, comically, so on and so forth, but that doesnt mean the art presented in the work as a whole is absolutely meaningless.
Great video. Take my subscription.
Like it or not, they saved the franchise .
And that's a truth I don't think people are willing to, or ready to hear. It brought the franchise to a huge audience, and honestly the Cybertron games wouldn't be the way they are if not for the first three films.
Everyone has their own preferred flavor of cinematic junk food.
I liked RiD 2015. It was my first transformers show. So I understand why some people form a special attachment to the movies if they have seen them the first
Name me one franchise that has a combination of these 17 things: Amazing action sequences, aesthetically pleasing sci-fi elements, funny comedy, hot sex appeal, attractive looking cars that can go fast, a large scale, amazing sound design, amazing visual design, nice songs and scores in its soundtracks, genre blending versatility on top of the action sci-fi elements, Transformers elements, characters with strong, unique, entertaining personalities that were sometimes relatable, emotional moments, romance factor, real life elements incorporated into their lore or just realism in general, high stakes and layered storytelling
I love all 5 Bayformers films and I don't think any other movies comes close and I'm not apologizing for that, it hurts being in the minority but that wouldn't stop me from fighting for my love for these films against these cynics, much love to Michael Bay and everyone involved in the franchise, the fans, and this video, hope to see more love given to these movies in the future, they deserve it with all the ambition put into these films
Man, I'm so with you. I know they are critically not the best movies ever but the Bay Transformer movies is a franchise that I can never get tired of. The human characters ,comedy, the action, effects, scale, sound design, the glossy way it's shot just gets me. In fact I just love Bay as a visual director. To me the bumble movie is boring compared to the energy I get from watching Bay's Transformers. I wish he would direct more instead of produce. Oh and the music in those movies from Steve Jablonsky is underrated.
@@brealll9647 It's a shame we're in the extreme minority, even Bay himself has succumbed to the consensus and let other people direct as he believes they might understand what the people want more while he just takes the producer role, these movies check off all these boxes more than any other movies can
Honestly I love these movies and always have. They may not be G1 accurate, storyline may fall apart a bit but I still enjoyed them. The designs, the detail of each bot, the battles! Love them all. I love the stories aswell, the later films still have good stories on their own.
3:15 This is why I watch bonus features before and after movies. I want to see the dedication out into the film and how much the actors and crew enjoyed doing their job. Are they miserable, are they having fun, is the reunion fun for the og actors? I can never bring myself to hate movies because of the bonus features showing me how much love they put into it. It’s why I can never really hate any movie shown to me.
Except for Twilight and Wish, those movies can burn in hell.
While the Bayverse movies legitimately have awful stuff such as how they treat the female characters and…the less said about the twins, the better, they do have great stuff such as the visual effects, characters such as Crosshairs and Hound, the action sequences, and characters such as Optimus shows that there’s legitimately great stories buried underneath the garbage.
It’s been a mixed bag for me when it comes to these movies, but it doesn’t mean I’m gonna diss people who genuinely like these movies. 🤷🏽♀️
Maybe in another universe with better writing and more cohesion of the stories, these movies could’ve been more. 😔
That's not Hound. That's Bulkhead in a John Goodman mech.
i’m so glad to find someone who appreciates Crosshairs and Hound
Thank you for putting out there that people shouldn’t be bullied for liking these movies or seen as stupid. I know many people my age could relate to this when they were younger but telling people they were into transformers was always such a hard thing to do and often was just looked down upon or childish. I recall making the unfortunate mistake of telling fellow classmates about my transformers review channel in middle school and that’s when bullying started. And yet oddly enough through all of that, I just kept moving along and making videos and enjoying the franchise I loved because the community around it was always as eager as me to share their excitement for it. I think that says a lot about how much these people cared, and how it inspired them to push forward despite what others may think.:.
They're good movies with bad stories but great vibes to the characters and story to give them that mainstream Hollywood appeal. Not what I look for in transformers movies, or transformers stories and characters in general, but they certainly made Transformers at least be a bigger known franchise. It's a lot like what people view as the worst of Snyderverse, movies that conflict with what the fanbase want for their own ideal movie franchise over time once the honeymoon period is down. But the engagement and craft to those movies are PEAK.
Controversial opinion… I think the bayformers designs are actually super good… at least 1-3 where you could tell they actually transformed…
This is probably the first time I've heard Michael Bay speak. No hate towards him, but I honestly didn't think he'd sound like that, he's more nasally than I expected.
Dude reached Nirvana. No more words needed, wise words.
the thing i actually enjoy about the bay films is they actually feel like the original show
Thank you for making this video! The bayverse was the introduction to this franchise! Sure sometimes robot get a little screentime and so on. But even as a kid, I don't really care, I just liked the explosion, the actions, and more! I especially loved how Optimus fucking murder decepticons with no remorss. Without theese movies , I will never ever know many about Transformers like shows, games, etc. Hopefully, ROTB can revive this movie franchise in an awesome way!
I got a DVD of the first transformers film. Watching the behind the scenes was like seeing the Burj Khalifa of filmmaking as a kid to the point where I literally got curious if an actor died on set because of how dangerous the practical effects were. I think I have never seen an action movie that can compete to it besides John Wick.
And in that last portion, Michael bay was right. I rewatched the first two (Soon i'll rewatch 3 and 4) as an adult. And damn do they still make me smile regardless of both critic and youtube hate the sequels received! Not to mention being the sole movie series responsible for brining back Transformers from dying obscurity. I don't know if I would ever watch transformers armada or animated series because studio execs never gave a greenlight to make the film. I don't know if I'll ever buy an action figure of both optimus and megatron as a kid. Heck call this conspiratiorial connection. But this movie series seems to have born my favoritism of really obscure characters. Like Braw/Devastator (The tank, not the construction abomination with wrecking balls for testes) and Blackout. And countless unpopular characters outside transformers media
Rotf is my favorite bayformers movie it doesn't deserve the hate. Its flawed but far from the worst. The worst is definitely the Last Knight its just so boring.
They just hated Michael Bay's movies because thay are so perfect.
I think the general consensus is that the first one is a good fun summer action movie. It even had great word-of-mouth during its release.
I genuinely really like the 2007 movie. And while I don’t like the others, they still have great scenes, like Prime vs Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor, and as you said, the building scene from DotM.
Shia Labeouf holds that trilogy together really.
I've never seen a sane G1 fan, never seen a toxic Bayfan. Legit it's insane how despite making 3+ billion from the general audience, the small percentage of the internet somehow has a larger voice at the point where fun isn't allowed.
Crybaby geewunners were the ones complaining. The bay films were made to be blockbusters and most of them succeeded in just that. You want good story? Read IDW. The movies were awesome and I'll always stand by that. I don't need anyone telling me its okay to love them. I do so proudly.
My alltime favorite film series is this and my favorite is the Last Knight.
You can never change my mind.
I have never seen any of the transformers movie’s until a few weeks ago when I decided to watch all of five of them in a row and I actually really liked them
The only reason why I watch Transformers and love it it because of the Autobots and Decepticons fighting
My favourite was always the first one. Third has good battles, 2 has sideswipe. And that's it for me
Now, the whole deconstruction of the dotm skyscraper scene gave me a new love for that scene
Honestly I've always felt nostalgic for the Bayformers films (but I wouldn't call it the best Transformers content--that would go to TFA). It wasn't always a hit, but when it was, it was ON POINT. I also think the spectacle--at least in the first 3 films anyways--was always masterfully done and sure, the designs weren't the greatest, but hot DAMN did the CGI look good. There's just a lot of shots in the Transformers films that look like absolute eye candy (the car shots were what made me absolutely love vehicle modes for the Transformers). And again, action scenes were fire. The forest battle in 2, Chicago in 3, Mission City in 1--they were stellar.
(Also the first film shared so much with Animated and that was so FUCKING COOL. Transformers continuities where the Autobots are portrayed as underdogs and more like civilians against Military is cool as hell)
15:05 Finally someone says it
Yeah, I love the Michael Bay Transformers movies, but I actually do agree. There is one there is 1 thing that I fear about the Transformers. Movies are being bad movies. Cause that really scares me a lot. Because I love Transformers much as I like Pacific Rim. Or other robot movies.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's never okay to attack anyone for something they enjoy and love it.
The hardest part for me is to tell others that I like all of the first 4 bayformers movies more than the bumblebee movie, just find them more entertaining
That's easy for me to say tho 😂 they are way better than bb movie individually
Dark of the Moon is one of my favourite pieces of Transformers media. I love it.
Whether fans of the original like it or not, Michael Bay re invigorated Transformers with the 2007 film. I mean his version of Bumblebee (Radio voice, Micro phone mouth, big doughy eyes, door wings) has become the new undisputed look for bumblebee that will be the standard of all bumblebees to come. Like even Travis Knights bumblebee movie felt like it was missing the Bayverse edge and because of that I was a little bored watching it
I didn’t need you to tell me this plane. I’ve been gladly loving this shit since day one
2007 and DOTM are both amazing in my opinion. Sure, they may not be fine art, by they are so spectacular, memorable and just entertaining, that I can't help adoring them. This may seem crazy, but I'd put both of them in my top 10 movies of all time.
ROTF and AOE are also underrated and at least okay in my eyes.
TLK is pretty terrible, but even it has some redeeming qualities.
I grew up watching these movies. Idc what anyone says about them, they will always hold a special place in my heart as they were some of the first movies I watched that were PG-13. Well excpet The Last Knight, that movie was awful.
I still don't get how so many people hate you for liking the bayverse transformers movies. Yes the movies weren't perfect, but I actually enjoyed them, and got hyped everytime a new trailer got announced. And i still watch them cause it has lots of action and characters that i grew up loving. They bring a sence of nostalgia everytime i rewatch them. 🚙🤖
I was growing up in the Armada, energon, cybertron era so I didn't care at all that the characters I knew looked way different because they did every few years. I loved the first 3 movies, especially the first one. I don't even think 4 and 5 are bad, just not as good as 1-3. I mean you get the robots in disguise in the first movie, you get the military reaction to them in the second while trying to hide from the general public, and then the whole world's reaction in 3. The transformers look so damn good and so does the rest of the movie. The plots are fun and engaging. If they were really bad then people just wouldn't talk about them anymore but people still are.
I must give Bayverse credit for vfx. Overall Bayverse is kind'a great but Bumblebee 2018 is greater, hope Rise of Beast maintain that.