Seven years ago, I wouldn't be caught dead listening to three intellects like this. The fact that I could follow along with much of what they were saying, is even more incredible. I am not highly educated. I barely passed primary education, as I have worked full-time since I was 14 years old...until my debilitating accident in 2014. During my recovery, I took to watching interesting videos on TH-cam. Something that was easier to do while languishing in a hospital bed. This is where I found Jordan Peterson, as well as his seemingly infinite archive of lectures. More recently, this is where I also found Heather & Brett. So, while I was rehabilitating, watching endless strings of cat videos and selfie style channels, my mind began to turn as numb as my legs. Turning towards more intellectual videos, I found Mr. Peterson. He was, and still is, a fascinating speaker. He was just as passionate about what he was teaching, as he was intellectually proficient...or so I surmised...cause 'what the hell do I know', as Peterson has often lament. Back to the point of my comment, it is precisely because of people like this that I could awaken to a larger world of knowledge, where I would obviously not have, if not for my physical demise, technological advancement, cat videos, and videos that Jordan, Heather, & Brett keep producing. Thank you very much...all three of you...for what you do.
Sir, likely your comment reflects an growing audience. Good luck with your full recovery and as it is often said “I got here as soon as I could “ awesome comment!
If it wasn't for Dr Petersons books and lectures online my life would be much worse off. As a fifty year old father of two daughters, I've learned more from him than I had ever learned in school. He helped me through some of the hardest times in my life without even knowing it. Dr Peterson, I owe you my life Sir
@@ForeverYoungKickboxer his Bible lecture series completely changed how I looked at the Bible. I was one of those atheists he speaks of that adopted atheism as a pseudo religion. Brett and Heather are gems 💎
"The prefrontal cortex grew out of the motor cortex ... evolved to abstract out patterns of abstraction ... so they can be dispensed with before being acted on ... so that WE CAN HAVE OUR IDEAS DIE INSTEAD OF US" My mind is blown
Good words , but just words which are human creation ! And thats one of the tools of our ability to abstract ! Indeed abstraction is the main function we gained , if you compare us with other beings but you have also to look what we lost gaining that function . There is not a win/win situation in the real life ( meaning evolution ) !
@@paigemccormick6519 Page l agree the topics themselves were hard truth or difficult reality, they were by no means easy things to process. Yet delight was my instinctive feeling, as l saw the smiles and all of the body expressions that you notice only between people connected with trust and friendship. I thought it was beautiful.
I am so lucky to have been born in 1955, there were years of my life when people were not afraid to offend with conversation, this conversation reminds me of the days when people really talked.
But ultimately I'm pleased it happened because it forced change and for them to take a risk and capitalize on the scandal and now they have the reach they have now and we all benefit
Jordan's note on how positive his TH-cam comments can get was spot on. There are some corners of the Web that are horrible, but when people get a glimpse of something that comes from the heart and is honest it brings the best out of them, and we yearn to reach out and connect in this way (or so I like to think)
I think I would add 'deep' to that list of attributes. While honest and coming from the heart are also great markers they can easily be co-opted by cliché and stereotype right? That is why Hollywood movies (perhaps especially seen with European eyes) can become so teeth-grindingly unpleasant right - because it's all from the heart but lacking the depth or profundity that is needed for emotioanlity to have relevance as more than merely emotional porn.
So I've just listened to a 90-minute discussion incredibly packed with hardcore scientific and philosophical ideas of arguably tremendous complexity and I'm leaving literally with a smile on my face and an uplifting feeling in my soul. It sounds very strange to me when put that way, but it is true and so I think you were doing something right there and I was doing something right listening to this, so thank you very much for doing this. It is an incredibly engaging and informative episode, one of the best in my opinion. I hope that that discussion with the couple's undergraduate advisor will happen, if it hasn't happened yet, and will be posted soon cause it sounded like it might be a good one too. Anyway, cheers all the way from Slovakia, Dr. Peterson.
When Dr Petersons says "so let's just talk about the birds" and with these three you know you'll learn and 5 minutes later you'll look at yourself and everyone differently from before ahah. Love it. Thanks to the three of you!
Once again, as I trudge through the darkness of what is considered 'our society,' I am uplifted by Jordan Peterson and his incredible guests Heather and Bret Weinstein. It's often been said that listening to these dialogues is akin to sitting in on a post-grad level lecture and this conversation is no different. I am so grateful for this type of intellectual content. It's like cool water in the desert.
I love these people because they are intelligent, knowledgable, curious, open, honest truth-seekers - and on top of that, they are genuine with the right amount of humility and confidence. Such a pleasure to see you together and think with you!
@@andybaldman - so your response has no emotions at all? Imagining people drinking cool-aid is a perfectly rational statement. (?) May I suggest you dig into Iain McGilchrist's presentations on why relying on the narrow-mechanistically inclined, over confident rationalistic worldview is a dumb proposition. If you still happen to be a reader (?) - he produced two huge books on the subject of brain hemispheres' differing attitude to interpreting the world (The Master and His Emissary, The Matter with Matter) - fantastically enlightening especially for narrow-thinking founts of wisdom, like you seem to be......
As a new parent I really appreciated the discussion about not discouraging "Play" surrounding other genders. I have really been pondering how to handle that. This was a very impactful intellectual discussion. God bless you Jordan Peterson!!!!!
As a mom of two teenagers now, I just recently took a job with a pre k and am taking early childhood classes and have learned so many things that I could have used when my girls were little. One of My favorite things Jordan says is “children learn most when they are doing dangerous things carefully. “ it’s totally true. My take away from it is don’t be such a helicopter parent. Listen and guide but let them kinda figure it out themselves first before just taking over. ❤️ Good luck in the parenting world. You do what you feel is right by your child
How do we grapple with seemingly obvious attempts by major media to confuse children. Jordan said it himself, Pocahontas had a powerful impact on his niece. She phased out of it but media is far more available now and my fear is who our kids become can really be shaped far more by what they are watching than in the past.
There is something really magical about witnessing these conversations unfold. I especially love when JPB says to them, “you guys should really talk to Jonathan Pageau”.
I NEVER comment on videos, but can't not do it this time. This was such a thoroughly enjoyable conversation to listen to. Listening to the 3 of you is a priveledge, an encouragement, and an education. I wish you'd continued your discussion for hours:) Thank you for sharing you minds with us!
I wish they'd have gone on for 6+ hours because man, these conversations are one of the few things that give me hope. Their comments on raising children are awesome too, and I've tried to practice what they preach with my own daughter and I definitely feel like I'm on the right track, and for that alone I have eternal gratitude. Thanks to all 3 of you guys, and I hope we get one of these every few months at the least! 😁
I was having a hard time not yelling every time Jordan interrupted an interesting point in the middle of it being made. Flow state my ass, professor. This was not his best attempt.
I found Bret and Heather about a year ago at the beginning of the covid nonsense, and im happy to see a lot of what they were warning, be taken seriously. Finally! Absolutely love it when Jordan teams up for a conversation. Just live it.
These three people have been a greater force of growth and positive change in my life than all my previous teachers and leaders combined. God bless them!
I love watching Brett and Heather being interviewed as a couple... It's like they're at this beautiful point where they're sharing a brain between themselves. A bit like when twins talk... Love it.
@@Seeker7257 - that God created the process of evolution which allows for all of his creation to be highly adaptive depending on changing situations. It’s far grander than intelligent design. Intelligent design limits the Creator to the limitations of the human mind.
When Bret said "our level of flexibility is not up to a rate of change where we literally do not mature into the same world in which we were born" I got a strong chill. I think this topic is one of the most important issues facing youth today and going forward and it warrants a full discussion all on its own. The problem is only further exacerbated when parents, teachers, councillors, etc., give children a vision of a world that just doesn't really exist anymore.
There are portions of our human history that NEED to be remembered and transmitted to those who will never otherwise comprehend how and what adaptations were made before the explosive pace of change altered everything. Some ideas must, MUST be understood before it is decided whether they live or die. Human life depends on such considerations.
She a bit too fast at reading and swallows the endings. I.e., modulation needs some work. Unless a sound engineer can compensate. Otherwise, I love The Pair.
Being in Portland we're always grateful other voices like Heather and Bret come from this often schizophrenic place. They are a positive influence in promoting dialogue. Just participating on JP's podcast is awesome and help many of us feel that we are not as isolated in the wilderness as we may feel.
A false sense of security will lull you into your already complacent lifestyle. Change it…. Quit complying… that’s the only way you get out of your situation.
When dealing with a disease where the vast majority will survive, and many will get it and recover without even knowing it, perhaps the effects of the fear of the disease will be worse than the disease itself. Not saying don't get vaccinated, I'm vaccinated myself, but I'm not going to spend energy on it, beyond modest and reasonable precautions, when I'm vastly more likely to die from heart disease, obesity, or cancer.
The connections made in this podcast were absolutely mind blowing. There is so much substance here it’s overwhelming and yet mind expanding. A tremendous amount to unpack. Outstanding! Thank you!
The amount of enrichment I've received from these 3 individuals is amazing. Thank you all for the work you do in helping individuals learn and improve their lives
My favorite people all together, these are the best discussions. Thank you so much for sharing your conversations with each other, we're truly privileged to be included! Much love from New York.
Do I have to chime in from Baja Mexico. The nights are so dark that if a neighbor leaves an outside light on he confronted by neighbors with pitch forks.
The conversations with Brett & Heather have consistently been my favourite and this one was phenomenal, the engagement ratcheted up all the way to the end! Absolutely essential!
I completed College level Biology 3 and 4 in high school; and even though I studied visual art in College; that Bio Foundation lead me to stay current on biotechnology innovation. Heather and Brett, keep me thinking and better informed. Thanks Jordan, for keeping them, in the spotlight where they belong.
38:56 It is refreshing to see someone as brilliant as Peterson literally grasp his skull with info overload/enlightenment like I do on a fairly regular basis when I listen to/read his work and the work of those like him.
I had to pause this video several times due to intellectual overwhelm. So many connections forming and dissolving leading to a Mandelbrot alignment of sorts is how it feels to me.
I only made it 3:30 into this podcast and already knew it would be gold by the effort and intent Heather and Bret put into listening to Peterson’s questions. You can literally see it.
Peterson obviously goes through it. Not every day is the best day. Some intros get straight to business. But when he says friends, smiling and excited, I believe he means that. Everytime I hear these 3 speak, I gain wisdom.
@@TheShootist Friends who knows nothing or have surface level insight into the persons life is more known as an acquaintance. This was an interesting discussion. But with a lot of guessing and some one-upping on JBPs side. JBP is getting to sound like a broken record at this point. The religious symbolisms, the egyptian metaphors... I get that he has been through a really tough stretch and he is amusing to listen to but I would caution to take him seriously. He is the old man telling the youth stories about the good days, trying to stay relevant. And if it keeps him sober, more power to him as he is used to say.
I can't say enough about how much Bret and heather have taught me. But also they were the very few truth tellers about the lab scenerio, I saw on bill maher they helped me continue to critically think thru all the propaganda. ✨🇨🇦
I grew up poor and relatively homeless on some occasions. All of this as a developing child. The system never assisted us (apart from the police) and my mother relied on shadow figured men who wanted to sleep with her. This allowed us to get a roof over our heads. All of this as a developing child who was becoming increasingly aware of the complexities & absurdities of life. My childhood involved attempted murder, attempted suicide, domestic assault, drug overdoses, food bank visits provided by churches, and being bullied at school for looking "weird" or what adults say, wearing glasses. Alcoholism further fuelled descent into familial chaos and as such my family was literally torn apart, irrefutably, for the rest of time. Both my parents could be held accountable for their failures including the grief and suffering they imposed on their children, however; I decided to take a self guidance path which led to me to where I am today. This included distancing(before "social distancing" was cool...) myself from my parents, reading alternative ways of living, different perspectives through friends and probably the most important lesson of all, not conforming to status quo ideals within the mainstream. My literal remedy for all this BS was, being alone with myself. Getting to know myself deeper, then understanding the ways of the world and its collective society. Understanding and studying the ways I which civilizations allow such damning things to occur to adults and children. Then I found the hive mind and I wanted to stand even further from the notion of "what everyone else does". Now after almost 34 years (alongside my wife of 16 years), I'm in a place where I'm in control of my life. Making my own decisions now that were once previously ironed with constant chaos. I was surrounded by a system that did not give a damn about my worries, insecurities and the mental fatigue which plagued (and to some degree continues too) me. I worked on it all by myself. No therapists, no drugs, & no alcohol. It was no easy feat but I am more assured in who I am today than ever before. It's a nuanced life of course, as all of ours are but my story lends Creedence to my distrust in governmental systems as a whole. I didn't conform back then and I certainly don't conform to the herd at present. All of this just to say, I refuse to comply with dictates by authorities quagmired in monetary gain who continue to sow a lack of basic common sense in regards to life and all of its risks. I've been face to face with death multiple times already, so who has the right to impose what we do with our time while on this planet? I lost my job at the hospital in November here in BC due to "non compliance" and I'll continue to fight against wrongful authority wherever I may. This is just my story and life continues until it doesn't, and then I'm ready to fight like I've already done for the past 34 years. Thank you for your never ending work to understand the human condition. That goes for Heather, Brett, Jordan and any of you reading. Much Peace my friends.
Heroes appear in our greatest hour of need. It is astonishing to me that the three of you rose from relative obscurity to fame around the same time for remarkably similar reasons. Not only am I nourished intellectually but spiritually as well; both wisdom and knowledge simultaneously.
It’s pretty damn incredible when you see three successful people achieving more success by the minute and just by listening and learning you can be a part of that success too!
@Solitaire Surely if you’re that intelligent/qualified you’ll have the opportunity to meet him on a debate stage someday. Let us know when that’s coming up.
These two have been an absolute beacon of rationality throughout the pandemic and I am so thankful for their online presence! Really looking forward to listening to them talk to Peterson them on, always a pleasure :)
Err slight correction, these three. :-) Just because you went to the same school, then worked at the same place, and co habitat, and collaborate, its doesn't make you the same. Just poking fun at you. I agree with you, I found them to be a beacon not just in the pandemic but in this strange reality I find myself immersed.
I feel like I’ve earned an additional college degree since I began following these 3 professors several years ago! Brilliance! Thank you All! Finally ordered your new book, Heather and Brett! Can’t wait! See you on your, Jordan!
This reminds video me of a candy commercial from years ago: Jordan: "You got evolution in my psychology." Bret and Heather: "You got psychology in our evolution" 3 great minds that go great together.
This is the best conversation I've heard from any of you. 1.5 hours has just flown past and my head is spinning with new ideas and perspectives. Thank you all.
I think the two most destructive challenges of modern life are: 1. Overstimulation 2. Overcomfort Implementing strategies to habitually control for them are 80% of the battle towards a good life.
I agree but would argue that these challenges are not inherently destructive, instead they are conditions present in the environment that have destructive consequences for individuals that cannot adapt to or mitigate the dangers of them.
To say that I appreciate the three of you is a massive understatement. Thank you for being honest seekers of truth and continuously seeking to become more and more aware of your own biases and being honest and open about them so that we can (hopefully) continue to move forward together as good faith actors in this grand play. 🙏⚒️☸️🔥🙏
I need the audio of this episode saved. This was so interesting. I love these topics and ideas and they make so much sense. I wish I existed in realms where folks like this could be in my immediate community, who I could relate with about raising children and learn from their wisdom.
Good on you all for speaking to this. Deep within the matrix of 2022 I found myself turning away from some of my primary motivations and turned back to music - became a drummer. Truth is truth - wherever we find it. Drumming is fundamental to our evolution. The vibe, the beat will always be.
This is/was a really great conversation. I just wish it would have been longer. There were a few branches of significant thought that were left unexplored. For example, Heather was making a point how there weren’t many archetypal (female narratives). I wanted to hear what she was going with that. I suppose they’re going to need some more conversations
I screamed when Jordan spoke over Heather and interjected "Beauty and the Beast" and then laughed when I saw her reaction....... I was genuinely curious to know what her perspective was on that. Then the point was never finished ! 😢
Simply brilliant, insightful and eye-opening. Thank you! I I also get the vibe that Bret and Heather are warm couple and people in real life. Godspeed!
Fun fact: The appendix is currently thought to be a space for gut bacteria to replenish after we have let's just call it digestive issues requiring immediate expunging of the gut. That action doesn't affect the appendix allowing it to be a reservoir for good bacteria to grow and replenish. Hence the adaptation of just space that doesn't seem to "do" anything in our ultra clean lives.
When Jordan is talking about the value of listening in therapy, and Bret asks at 1:22:07, "do podcasts work this way?" - With his cheeky smile, Bret is clearly asking this question as a subtle dig at the fact that Jordan has a tendency in conversation to speak over his guests rather than listen. A very interesting layer of irony is at work here. In this conversation, there is much discussion about the value of listening and attention, but in the process of talking about listening and attention, listening and attention are somewhat sacrificed. Jordan talks about the dance and play of conversation, yet he is slightly out of rhythm. I don't mean to criticize. I'm just observing. Great conversation!
For sure. He's been that way for some time now., sadly. Even when being presented with something he admits he doesn't know about he can't help but keep interrupting. Look at the exchange from 1:15:15 to 1:16:38 - he doesn't allow his guests even a minute and a half to speak continuously.
I have autism and I am multi-lingual. I have actually found that, while language is wonderful, it actually gets in the way a lot. People often are sending two messages at once, without even being aware of it. Our speech doesn't match what's actually happening the majority of the time and it is absolutely maddening to try to communicate with people who have no idea why they are saying what they are saying beyond trying to fill the 'uncomfortable silence'.
I am undiagnosed but a mishmosh of neurodivergent and mentally fucked up. I've always said the same thing, especially because I read people quite well. But just to play devil's advocate, maybe we are missing some of the nuances of why they do that, as was discussed in this conversation. I don't know if I'll ever be able to stand small talk that doesn't quickly veer somewhere interesting, though, no matter how much I understand its purpose :D
@@Magoover1 Sure, it does seem like the "emotional intelligence" meme is some vague measure of ability to "non-rationally" navigate social interactions. I also dislike small talk, because it appears to mean nothing. Judging by this freaking podcast, I might outgrow this some day.
Unfortunately small talk often veers into vicious gossip. People who fill their voids with empty words are just as willing to hurt others for entertainment.
This was soulfilling! I had an NDE 5 years ago and returned with a few messages, one in particular, that humans have forgotten we're human. So much to say. Very curious in others thoughts regarding their comments when referencing "if a person created it." Love, Love, how Peterson kept interupting because he's so intellectually stimulated!! What a gift for him. Looking forward to purchasing the book!
Bret is the best kind of scientist. The kind that delights in the subtleties of their craft. When he was talking about Bower birds he had this twinkle in his eye. Great discussion.
I think one of my many favourite things about the Bret and Heather is the way they look at each other when the other is making a good point. Like they're falling for each other's beautiful brains all over.
Brett and Heathers reaction to Jordan's "Are women just men, then?", priceless. Hollywood has been trying to create their version of the Hero's Journey for women, by lazily putting women in traditional men roles, the last couple of years without much success.
Yes, our Hero's journeys are definitely different. But to be effective, they'd have to be much more multifaceted than Beauty and the Beast. It's a good teaching story, not dissing it. But it doesn't hold a candle to the Descent of Inanna. Women don't have too many stories that go as profoundly deep into the maturation of consciousness (courage in the face of death, humility, sacrifice, wisdom) as the stories of our male counterparts. But that one does.
Love professor Peterson's pronunciation of "niche". It comes from French, after all. A fantastic discussion with a very important subject and brilliant guests, thank you so much.
What a treat to hear the three of you interact--despite length I aim going to strongly recommend viewing by a life long friend and professor and clinician neurologist and another friend who is (recently) become very religiously oriented, retired as a forensic accountant. Can you believe a one and half hour podcast to recommend to such different people. Wow what a podcast. Thank all three of you. See you in Chicago Dr. Peterson, got the tickets! [for three couples!]
You have to love that Heather doesn't try to awkwardly shoehorn herself in at certain times where it's just Peterson and Weinstein having a conversation with her in the room. That's a woman with confidence in herself; with an understanding of what's happening. Great woman.
Don't know if it gonna happen. JP got lots of hate just for not bending the knee and having an opinion divergent to some political hacks. Dr. Thomas is and even deeper level of a topic that sadly has become politicized and weaponized by the corrupt establisment. Doubt JP would risk exposing to the drama that always brings.
The ultimate podcast. Three of my favorite true modern intellectuals I listen to. Thank you for all of the important work you do in a world that desperately needs it
1:13:00 or so Peterson mentioned that we need more and more powerful computers to tell stories. Yesterday I played Kennshi for about 16 hours. Not something I am proud of and then I thought about why I did that, (and why I am so addicted to games in general) and I realized that I wanted to play out the story of a survivor. I wanted to see what unexpected and tragic things would happen, and see my friends struggle to survive become enslaved and even maimed but then come out the other side. Sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker. I know my life is better when I don't play games but I recently got back into gaming. I got back into gaming at about the same time my own story became uncomfortable for me. Peterson has a habit of saying what I can't articulate. Thank you Jordan.
When she talks about being advised to be around undergraduates, it reminds me of something that was tought in my old martial arts school. It went something like this. "The formost goal of a master is to learn how to be someone with the mind of a white belt with the skill set of a black belt."
YAY! My favorite duo. Bret and Heather & JBP. My favorite people outside my social circle that are still alive. I would be in a worse spot without both giving me advice.
Such a pleasant conversation. You can tell there is true mutual admiration. Seeing the novel intersections between Jordan and Bret/Heather's thinking was a treat.
I wish Jordan’s podcast were longer. 3 hours would be amazing. I know and respect the fact that this might not be possible with his current health but if he is ever able to do it I hope he does.
I really enjoyed this (I'm looking forward to listening to their book on Audible.). - I'm really glad to see that Dr Peterson seems to be doing much better. I truly and genuinely hope that he continues to fully recover. 💛 - He's still stepping on others speech a little too much, I hope he gets back his flow.
I like to think that Brett and Heather reminded each other before the podcast: "Okay, we know he's going to interrupt us, but we aren't going to get upset, because at the end of the day, he's a good guy."
I'm like that, and know others similar... in conversation, these complex, 6-sided ideas jump up, and if not grabbed and allowed to unfold on their own energy, in seconds they're totally unretrievable. And I end up telling some poor soul about electron spin resonance and DNA intercalation for 20 minutes. Peterson described himself as "hyper-verbal"; if that's a term, I have the same disease.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. It has been akin to gleaning the culmination of years of education, insights, and hypotheses in a sort of Cliffs Notes sound bite; richer than cheesecake for the mind but far more healthy! Such a treat, thanks for sharing!
This was a brilliant conversation! I enjoyed every minute. Dr. Peterson, you appear to be your old self, at least from this side of the screen. I think a lot of thanks goes to your daughter and son-in-law for taking you to Russia, which I daresay saved your life - a life that is a light in the chaos of this particular time in history. Thanks to you and to all the brilliant thinkers of this age.
Great quote Bret, "Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one". Also ties in nicely to the idea of evolution and creative destruction.
I so miss this flow....of ideas as a retired academic from the time before the woke takeover of the academy. This is how it was for me in the early 70s as an undergraduate and late 70s,as a grad student then professor in the 80 a life filled with similar discussions no censoring of ideas and expression.Things began to shift in the 90s with political correctness ...
Great discussion. As a Christian, it's funny to me as I see people struggle with the idea that there is another force that makes human development so "successful" (in that we're all here, in defiance of the odds), but it was definitely a spirited discussion and everyone was being intellectually honest with each other. That is a hallmark of Dr. Peterson's podcasts that makes them so enjoyable even when the specific subject is not one I would normally take interest in. God bless you and your family, Dr. Peterson.
Seven years ago, I wouldn't be caught dead listening to three intellects like this. The fact that I could follow along with much of what they were saying, is even more incredible. I am not highly educated. I barely passed primary education, as I have worked full-time since I was 14 years old...until my debilitating accident in 2014.
During my recovery, I took to watching interesting videos on TH-cam. Something that was easier to do while languishing in a hospital bed. This is where I found Jordan Peterson, as well as his seemingly infinite archive of lectures. More recently, this is where I also found Heather & Brett. So, while I was rehabilitating, watching endless strings of cat videos and selfie style channels, my mind began to turn as numb as my legs. Turning towards more intellectual videos, I found Mr. Peterson. He was, and still is, a fascinating speaker. He was just as passionate about what he was teaching, as he was intellectually proficient...or so I surmised...cause 'what the hell do I know', as Peterson has often lament.
Back to the point of my comment, it is precisely because of people like this that I could awaken to a larger world of knowledge, where I would obviously not have, if not for my physical demise, technological advancement, cat videos, and videos that Jordan, Heather, & Brett keep producing.
Thank you very much...all three of you...for what you do.
2014 happend for a reason. Best of luck to you sir!!!
Gay
You sir are awesome! So glad you found Jordan Peterson. Thank you for sharing your story and good luck in this adventure we call life!
Maybe you’re smarter than you think you are.
Sir, likely your comment reflects an growing audience. Good luck with your full recovery and as it is often said “I got here as soon as I could “ awesome comment!
If it wasn't for Dr Petersons books and lectures online my life would be much worse off. As a fifty year old father of two daughters, I've learned more from him than I had ever learned in school. He helped me through some of the hardest times in my life without even knowing it. Dr Peterson, I owe you my life Sir
@@CONEHEADDK I'm an almost 40 yr olf woman & he's one of my absolute favorite modern thinkers.
@@kellyhayes 35 and I agree, completely
1969 Gen Xer here. Love JP especially his Bible Lecture series. And love Brett and Heather of course.
@@ForeverYoungKickboxer his Bible lecture series completely changed how I looked at the Bible. I was one of those atheists he speaks of that adopted atheism as a pseudo religion. Brett and Heather are gems 💎
I can say the exact (2 daughters and all) same thing as you except I’m 42. Dr. Peterson is a lifesaver.
"The prefrontal cortex grew out of the motor cortex ... evolved to abstract out patterns of abstraction ... so they can be dispensed with before being acted on ... so that WE CAN HAVE OUR IDEAS DIE INSTEAD OF US"
My mind is blown
Indeed. Our ability to abstract is what makes human beings so unique.
Agree, that was a fantastic riff.
Good words , but just words which are human creation ! And thats one of the tools of our ability to abstract ! Indeed abstraction is the main function we gained , if you compare us with other beings but you have also to look what we lost gaining that function . There is not a win/win situation in the real life ( meaning evolution ) !
Three good friends getting together, having rich conversations. Such a delight to witness. Thank you all three of you!
akiko, you have a different meaning of "delight" than I do. The truth of this content obviates "delight."
We agree on "rich."
Yes, and Jordan is that one friend that never lets you fully finish a sentence hahaha.
@@paigemccormick6519 Page l agree the topics themselves were hard truth or difficult reality, they were by no means easy things to process. Yet delight was my instinctive feeling, as l saw the smiles and all of the body expressions that you notice only between people connected with trust and friendship. I thought it was beautiful.
@@akikomomiyama4922 Yes, ma'm. Just not delightful. :)
So much harmony between the 3 of them I love this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so lucky to have been born in 1955, there were years of my life when people were not afraid to offend with conversation, this conversation reminds me of the days when people really talked.
It's a travesty what Evergreen College did to these two thoughtful and tender souls. Their loss is our gain.
But ultimately I'm pleased it happened because it forced change and for them to take a risk and capitalize on the scandal and now they have the reach they have now and we all benefit
Yep their loss is our gain tho
Amor fati
The countless amount students that are losing these days
Let's make it their gain as well.
Thank you for hosting Bret and Heather. I've been looking forward to hearing this conversation.
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Jordan's note on how positive his TH-cam comments can get was spot on. There are some corners of the Web that are horrible, but when people get a glimpse of something that comes from the heart and is honest it brings the best out of them, and we yearn to reach out and connect in this way (or so I like to think)
Yep! Makes you realize what a fetid swamp most of the internet is.
Yes, indeed!
I think I would add 'deep' to that list of attributes. While honest and coming from the heart are also great markers they can easily be co-opted by cliché and stereotype right? That is why Hollywood movies (perhaps especially seen with European eyes) can become so teeth-grindingly unpleasant right - because it's all from the heart but lacking the depth or profundity that is needed for emotioanlity to have relevance as more than merely emotional porn.
Well said sir. 🤠👍
So I've just listened to a 90-minute discussion incredibly packed with hardcore scientific and philosophical ideas of arguably tremendous complexity and I'm leaving literally with a smile on my face and an uplifting feeling in my soul. It sounds very strange to me when put that way, but it is true and so I think you were doing something right there and I was doing something right listening to this, so thank you very much for doing this. It is an incredibly engaging and informative episode, one of the best in my opinion. I hope that that discussion with the couple's undergraduate advisor will happen, if it hasn't happened yet, and will be posted soon cause it sounded like it might be a good one too. Anyway, cheers all the way from Slovakia, Dr. Peterson.
Absolutely!
🤗 BlessALL
Dogs, they know! 😝
agree, I loved how they talked about it all objectively without getting pulled in emotionally.
I'm not even sure Bret understood Jordan's question about facts and values
When Dr Petersons says "so let's just talk about the birds" and with these three you know you'll learn and 5 minutes later you'll look at yourself and everyone differently from before ahah. Love it.
Thanks to the three of you!
Once again, as I trudge through the darkness of what is considered 'our society,' I am uplifted by Jordan Peterson and his incredible guests Heather and Bret Weinstein. It's often been said that listening to these dialogues is akin to sitting in on a post-grad level lecture and this conversation is no different. I am so grateful for this type of intellectual content. It's like cool water in the desert.
Well said.
"Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" Bret that's oscar worthy
When I heard that, I thought this is the kind of quote I don't want to forget, so I wrote it down immediatley.
Been there, done that, read the book. A book you never want to end... as it must. But hey, the journey is always better than the final chapter :-)
@@stefan1924 Definitely don't be a pathological parent and kneecap the kids when they make their move
Takes more than kids to destroy your life. Kids are a mirror. As all other people to all others.
I love these people because they are intelligent, knowledgable, curious, open, honest truth-seekers - and on top of that, they are genuine with the right amount of humility and confidence. Such a pleasure to see you together and think with you!
Lovely
The humble humility is greatly appreciated and most likely endears them to many. This is critical thinking at its best.
@@andybaldman more or less rational than seeking out videos you don't agree with and insisting you're right to random people in the comments?
@@andybaldman - so your response has no emotions at all? Imagining people drinking cool-aid is a perfectly rational statement. (?) May I suggest you dig into Iain McGilchrist's presentations on why relying on the narrow-mechanistically inclined, over confident rationalistic worldview is a dumb proposition. If you still happen to be a reader (?) - he produced two huge books on the subject of brain hemispheres' differing attitude to interpreting the world (The Master and His Emissary, The Matter with Matter) - fantastically enlightening especially for narrow-thinking founts of wisdom, like you seem to be......
As a new parent I really appreciated the discussion about not discouraging "Play" surrounding other genders. I have really been pondering how to handle that. This was a very impactful intellectual discussion. God bless you Jordan Peterson!!!!!
As a mom of two teenagers now, I just recently took a job with a pre k and am taking early childhood classes and have learned so many things that I could have used when my girls were little. One of My favorite things Jordan says is “children learn most when they are doing dangerous things carefully. “ it’s totally true. My take away from it is don’t be such a helicopter parent. Listen and guide but let them kinda figure it out themselves first before just taking over. ❤️ Good luck in the parenting world. You do what you feel is right by your child
How do we grapple with seemingly obvious attempts by major media to confuse children. Jordan said it himself, Pocahontas had a powerful impact on his niece. She phased out of it but media is far more available now and my fear is who our kids become can really be shaped far more by what they are watching than in the past.
There is something really magical about witnessing these conversations unfold. I especially love when JPB says to them, “you guys should really talk to Jonathan Pageau”.
YA. Pageau has even larger maps, and is a beautiful person.
@@mondopinion3777 already a devout follower of JP
A true spectacle of a conversation. That we can witness an interaction like this freely is something to be grateful for. Thank you.
I NEVER comment on videos, but can't not do it this time. This was such a thoroughly enjoyable conversation to listen to. Listening to the 3 of you is a priveledge, an encouragement, and an education. I wish you'd continued your discussion for hours:) Thank you for sharing you minds with us!
I wish they'd have gone on for 6+ hours because man, these conversations are one of the few things that give me hope. Their comments on raising children are awesome too, and I've tried to practice what they preach with my own daughter and I definitely feel like I'm on the right track, and for that alone I have eternal gratitude. Thanks to all 3 of you guys, and I hope we get one of these every few months at the least! 😁
Instead of 6 hours, I will take a monthly meetup. Perhaps with Gad Saad in the mix.
I was having a hard time not yelling every time Jordan interrupted an interesting point in the middle of it being made. Flow state my ass, professor. This was not his best attempt.
I found Bret and Heather about a year ago at the beginning of the covid nonsense, and im happy to see a lot of what they were warning, be taken seriously. Finally! Absolutely love it when Jordan teams up for a conversation. Just live it.
These three people have been a greater force of growth and positive change in my life than all my previous teachers and leaders combined. God bless them!
I love watching Brett and Heather being interviewed as a couple... It's like they're at this beautiful point where they're sharing a brain between themselves. A bit like when twins talk... Love it.
They are true and rare soulmates.
They definitely only have one brain between them, you nailed it
@@causeimdeep Ha! There I was trying to be nice, but that's frigging funny! Nice one.
Because it’s a very rare couple who converse as cohesively as Heather and Bret, it’s tempting to believe they really do think like twins.
Hey Jordan. Please, please consider having James Lindsay on your podcast. The world needs the two of you talking, now more than ever.
James is a big player, in discovering what's happening in critical theory.
What do you think about evolution?
YES!
@@Seeker7257 - that God created the process of evolution which allows for all of his creation to be highly adaptive depending on changing situations. It’s far grander than intelligent design. Intelligent design limits the Creator to the limitations of the human mind.
YES PLZ
When Bret said "our level of flexibility is not up to a rate of change where we literally do not mature into the same world in which we were born" I got a strong chill. I think this topic is one of the most important issues facing youth today and going forward and it warrants a full discussion all on its own. The problem is only further exacerbated when parents, teachers, councillors, etc., give children a vision of a world that just doesn't really exist anymore.
You should read their book
There are portions of our human history that NEED to be remembered and transmitted to those who will never otherwise comprehend how and what adaptations were made before the explosive pace of change altered everything. Some ideas must, MUST be understood before it is decided whether they live or die.
Human life depends on such considerations.
according to an IBM employee, a generation is 15 yrs now, where once it was 30.
I love Heather's voice. She should start a channel where she reads classic literature.
She a bit too fast at reading and swallows the endings. I.e., modulation needs some work. Unless a sound engineer can compensate.
Otherwise, I love The Pair.
There are certain people whose voices have an immediately calming effect on me, Heather is one!
Heather is easy to listen too, she is Brett's balance.
They both have awesome radio voices, as they might say in the past
@@m-bronte right? They are so tuned to each other
It is simply amazing to see these three get into the "flow". What a gift to humanity! Thank you.
Being in Portland we're always grateful other voices like Heather and Bret come from this often schizophrenic place. They are a positive influence in promoting dialogue. Just participating on JP's podcast is awesome and help many of us feel that we are not as isolated in the wilderness as we may feel.
They certainly have been a positive voice in spreading paranoia about the vaccines. If that's your thing.
Better than gene therapy that lasts 2 months
@@phasespace4700 Fair enough, but Ivermectin has its uses with humans. It just hasn't been shown to have any efficacy whatsoever with Covid.
A false sense of security will lull you into your already complacent lifestyle. Change it…. Quit complying… that’s the only way you get out of your situation.
When dealing with a disease where the vast majority will survive, and many will get it and recover without even knowing it, perhaps the effects of the fear of the disease will be worse than the disease itself.
Not saying don't get vaccinated, I'm vaccinated myself, but I'm not going to spend energy on it, beyond modest and reasonable precautions, when I'm vastly more likely to die from heart disease, obesity, or cancer.
What a privilege to be able to listen to this discussion from these wonderful human beings.
Thank you.
The connections made in this podcast were absolutely mind blowing. There is so much substance here it’s overwhelming and yet mind expanding. A tremendous amount to unpack. Outstanding! Thank you!
Planning many repeat viewings of this one.
Bunch of grifters who accomplished nothing and just talk about dtufg
Absolutely! Couldn’t believe how long it was, felt like it flew by! 😭
@@hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479 yet another hard of hearing you are.
I came to leave this comment, too. Well said, Don.
The amount of enrichment I've received from these 3 individuals is amazing. Thank you all for the work you do in helping individuals learn and improve their lives
These conversations have helped me so much to survive in these dystopian times. Thank you so much for sharing.
Remember when not everyone was crazy? :)
My favorite people all together, these are the best discussions. Thank you so much for sharing your conversations with each other, we're truly privileged to be included! Much love from New York.
And from Germany as well 😊
And from Sweden 🇸🇪
And from Ireland
Here in Canada too!
Do I have to chime in from Baja Mexico. The nights are so dark that if a neighbor leaves an outside light on he confronted by neighbors with pitch forks.
Thank You, Dr. Peterson for your decades of Learning and Sharing a Righteous Lifestyle & Mindset.
So agree.
The mind that created your icon picture needs separating from society
@@daveh4925 are you a Bot or a Troll?🤣
@@HeadCoachKev lol just joking
The conversations with Brett & Heather have consistently been my favourite and this one was phenomenal, the engagement ratcheted up all the way to the end!
Absolutely essential!
@@WoodenWizard howdy woody
I completed College level Biology 3 and 4 in high school; and even though I studied visual art in College; that Bio Foundation lead me to stay current on biotechnology innovation. Heather and Brett, keep me thinking and better informed. Thanks Jordan, for keeping them, in the spotlight where they belong.
Thank You Jordan, Heather, and Bret for this discussion !
38:56 It is refreshing to see someone as brilliant as Peterson literally grasp his skull with info overload/enlightenment like I do on a fairly regular basis when I listen to/read his work and the work of those like him.
Same.
I had to pause this video several times due to intellectual overwhelm. So many connections forming and dissolving leading to a Mandelbrot alignment of sorts is how it feels to me.
I only made it 3:30 into this podcast and already knew it would be gold by the effort and intent Heather and Bret put into listening to Peterson’s questions. You can literally see it.
Peterson obviously goes through it. Not every day is the best day. Some intros get straight to business. But when he says friends, smiling and excited, I believe he means that. Everytime I hear these 3 speak, I gain wisdom.
yeah, they are friends.
And love.
Beware of unearned wisdom 🙂
@@miriamcombe3033 Hey. I get the irony.
@@TheShootist
Friends who knows nothing or have surface level insight into the persons life is more known as an acquaintance.
This was an interesting discussion. But with a lot of guessing and some one-upping on JBPs side.
JBP is getting to sound like a broken record at this point. The religious symbolisms, the egyptian metaphors...
I get that he has been through a really tough stretch and he is amusing to listen to but I would caution to take him seriously.
He is the old man telling the youth stories about the good days, trying to stay relevant. And if it keeps him sober, more power to him as he is used to say.
I can't say enough about how much Bret and heather have taught me.
But also they were the very few truth tellers about the lab scenerio, I saw on bill maher they helped me continue to critically think thru all the propaganda. ✨🇨🇦
I grew up poor and relatively homeless on some occasions. All of this as a developing child. The system never assisted us (apart from the police) and my mother relied on shadow figured men who wanted to sleep with her. This allowed us to get a roof over our heads. All of this as a developing child who was becoming increasingly aware of the complexities & absurdities of life. My childhood involved attempted murder, attempted suicide, domestic assault, drug overdoses, food bank visits provided by churches, and being bullied at school for looking "weird" or what adults say, wearing glasses.
Alcoholism further fuelled descent into familial chaos and as such my family was literally torn apart, irrefutably, for the rest of time. Both my parents could be held accountable for their failures including the grief and suffering they imposed on their children, however; I decided to take a self guidance path which led to me to where I am today. This included distancing(before "social distancing" was cool...) myself from my parents, reading alternative ways of living, different perspectives through friends and probably the most important lesson of all, not conforming to status quo ideals within the mainstream.
My literal remedy for all this BS was, being alone with myself. Getting to know myself deeper, then understanding the ways of the world and its collective society. Understanding and studying the ways I which civilizations allow such damning things to occur to adults and children. Then I found the hive mind and I wanted to stand even further from the notion of "what everyone else does".
Now after almost 34 years (alongside my wife of 16 years), I'm in a place where I'm in control of my life. Making my own decisions now that were once previously ironed with constant chaos. I was surrounded by a system that did not give a damn about my worries, insecurities and the mental fatigue which plagued (and to some degree continues too) me. I worked on it all by myself. No therapists, no drugs, & no alcohol.
It was no easy feat but I am more assured in who I am today than ever before. It's a nuanced life of course, as all of ours are but my story lends Creedence to my distrust in governmental systems as a whole. I didn't conform back then and I certainly don't conform to the herd at present.
All of this just to say, I refuse to comply with dictates by authorities quagmired in monetary gain who continue to sow a lack of basic common sense in regards to life and all of its risks. I've been face to face with death multiple times already, so who has the right to impose what we do with our time while on this planet?
I lost my job at the hospital in November here in BC due to "non compliance" and I'll continue to fight against wrongful authority wherever I may.
This is just my story and life continues until it doesn't, and then I'm ready to fight like I've already done for the past 34 years.
Thank you for your never ending work to understand the human condition. That goes for Heather, Brett, Jordan and any of you reading.
Much Peace my friends.
Heroes appear in our greatest hour of need. It is astonishing to me that the three of you rose from relative obscurity to fame around the same time for remarkably similar reasons. Not only am I nourished intellectually but spiritually as well; both wisdom and knowledge simultaneously.
It’s pretty damn incredible when you see three successful people achieving more success by the minute and just by listening and learning you can be a part of that success too!
@Solitaire Surely if you’re that intelligent/qualified you’ll have the opportunity to meet him on a debate stage someday. Let us know when that’s coming up.
Would be better to let that inspiration help create your own success. You don't really want to be Jordan Peterson, do you?
These two have been an absolute beacon of rationality throughout the pandemic and I am so thankful for their online presence! Really looking forward to listening to them talk to Peterson them on, always a pleasure :)
What's rational or enlightened about peddling misinformation and directly causing the death of your viewers?
Comment something interesting AFTER
Err slight correction, these three. :-) Just because you went to the same school, then worked at the same place, and co habitat, and collaborate, its doesn't make you the same. Just poking fun at you. I agree with you, I found them to be a beacon not just in the pandemic but in this strange reality I find myself immersed.
@@vixantenna You got a source for that bud?
@@vixantenna Birds of a feather flock together. Peterson's bsing is unmatched.
Oh my freaking gosh
This is such an amazing captivating mind busting interview. I want to be with these beautiful people and listen for EVER!
I feel like I’ve earned an additional college degree since I began following these 3 professors several years ago! Brilliance! Thank you All! Finally ordered your new book, Heather and Brett! Can’t wait! See you on your, Jordan!
This reminds video me of a candy commercial from years ago:
Jordan: "You got evolution in my psychology."
Bret and Heather: "You got psychology in our evolution"
3 great minds that go great together.
Wow, this is like an Avengers assembly. Great to see Bret and Heather on with JP.
right, their missing joe rogan as the Thing, and they could easily be the Fantastic four
1000% 🤩
Dr. Peterson is Tony Stark. Bret more like Bruce banner
@@ledjoajdje3796 Nah Peterson is reed richards
@@growingweedisfordummies4190 That would be amazing. Anything Joe Rogan or Peterson is stellar
I am thankful for the existence of this man.
I am grateful for all three.
This is the best conversation I've heard from any of you. 1.5 hours has just flown past and my head is spinning with new ideas and perspectives. Thank you all.
So much knowledge offered by these amazing professors I'm grateful for this podcast
I think the two most destructive challenges of modern life are:
1. Overstimulation
2. Overcomfort
Implementing strategies to habitually control for them are 80% of the battle towards a good life.
EXACTLY! Honestly, most modern Americans suffer from affluence
Sounds like what the guide to the good life by William Irvine teaches, worth a read.
Define for me what "a good life" is to you.
I agree but would argue that these challenges are not inherently destructive, instead they are conditions present in the environment that have destructive consequences for individuals that cannot adapt to or mitigate the dangers of them.
Meditation is more necessary than ever today
If you are here watching this, it means you understood something in life! I salute you!
To say that I appreciate the three of you is a massive understatement. Thank you for being honest seekers of truth and continuously seeking to become more and more aware of your own biases and being honest and open about them so that we can (hopefully) continue to move forward together as good faith actors in this grand play. 🙏⚒️☸️🔥🙏
It is beyond words.
I need the audio of this episode saved. This was so interesting. I love these topics and ideas and they make so much sense. I wish I existed in realms where folks like this could be in my immediate community, who I could relate with about raising children and learn from their wisdom.
What a brilliant and insightful conversation, well done Jordan, Heather, and Brett. I appreciate all of your work to the fullest.
Good on you all for speaking to this. Deep within the matrix of 2022 I found myself turning away from some of my primary motivations and turned back to music - became a drummer. Truth is truth - wherever we find it. Drumming is fundamental to our evolution. The vibe, the beat will always be.
This is beyond refreshing. This talk gives me hope. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I need more if this.
Indeed - don't we all!
This is/was a really great conversation. I just wish it would have been longer. There were a few branches of significant thought that were left unexplored. For example, Heather was making a point how there weren’t many archetypal (female narratives). I wanted to hear what she was going with that. I suppose they’re going to need some more conversations
I screamed when Jordan spoke over Heather and interjected "Beauty and the Beast" and then laughed when I saw her reaction....... I was genuinely curious to know what her perspective was on that. Then the point was never finished ! 😢
Simply brilliant, insightful and eye-opening. Thank you! I
I also get the vibe that Bret and Heather are warm couple and people in real life.
Godspeed!
Fun fact: The appendix is currently thought to be a space for gut bacteria to replenish after we have let's just call it digestive issues requiring immediate expunging of the gut. That action doesn't affect the appendix allowing it to be a reservoir for good bacteria to grow and replenish. Hence the adaptation of just space that doesn't seem to "do" anything in our ultra clean lives.
Very interesting.
Hearing Jordan go off about "that damn pufferfish" was hilarious.
I love being a fly on the wall in these conversations.
A breathe of fresh air in a society increasingly naïve of its own nature.
Evolution made them that way too!
When Jordan is talking about the value of listening in therapy, and Bret asks at 1:22:07, "do podcasts work this way?" - With his cheeky smile, Bret is clearly asking this question as a subtle dig at the fact that Jordan has a tendency in conversation to speak over his guests rather than listen. A very interesting layer of irony is at work here. In this conversation, there is much discussion about the value of listening and attention, but in the process of talking about listening and attention, listening and attention are somewhat sacrificed. Jordan talks about the dance and play of conversation, yet he is slightly out of rhythm.
I don't mean to criticize. I'm just observing. Great conversation!
For sure. He's been that way for some time now., sadly. Even when being presented with something he admits he doesn't know about he can't help but keep interrupting. Look at the exchange from 1:15:15 to 1:16:38 - he doesn't allow his guests even a minute and a half to speak continuously.
To see three beautiful minds who are good friends talking to each other about complex concepts is such a heartwarming and awesome experience
Never miss a Dark Horse podcast, they are an intellect injection you will enjoy, readily understandable, and relatable. Fantastic book.
I have autism and I am multi-lingual. I have actually found that, while language is wonderful, it actually gets in the way a lot.
People often are sending two messages at once, without even being aware of it. Our speech doesn't match what's actually happening the majority of the time and it is absolutely maddening to try to communicate with people who have no idea why they are saying what they are saying beyond trying to fill the 'uncomfortable silence'.
I am undiagnosed but a mishmosh of neurodivergent and mentally fucked up. I've always said the same thing, especially because I read people quite well. But just to play devil's advocate, maybe we are missing some of the nuances of why they do that, as was discussed in this conversation. I don't know if I'll ever be able to stand small talk that doesn't quickly veer somewhere interesting, though, no matter how much I understand its purpose :D
@@Magoover1 Sure, it does seem like the "emotional intelligence" meme is some vague measure of ability to "non-rationally" navigate social interactions. I also dislike small talk, because it appears to mean nothing. Judging by this freaking podcast, I might outgrow this some day.
Unfortunately small talk often veers into vicious gossip. People who fill their voids with empty words are just as willing to hurt others for entertainment.
EQ describes a real thing, just as what you're describing does
This was soulfilling! I had an NDE 5 years ago and returned with a few messages, one in particular, that humans have forgotten we're human. So much to say. Very curious in others thoughts regarding their comments when referencing "if a person created it." Love, Love, how Peterson kept interupting because he's so intellectually stimulated!! What a gift for him. Looking forward to purchasing the book!
Bret is the best kind of scientist. The kind that delights in the subtleties of their craft. When he was talking about Bower birds he had this twinkle in his eye. Great discussion.
I think one of my many favourite things about the Bret and Heather is the way they look at each other when the other is making a good point. Like they're falling for each other's beautiful brains all over.
Their book was one of the best I've read in a while. Highly recommend it!
That's not saying much when all you read are Dr. Seus books 😂
Brett and Heathers reaction to Jordan's "Are women just men, then?", priceless. Hollywood has been trying to create their version of the Hero's Journey for women, by lazily putting women in traditional men roles, the last couple of years without much success.
Yes, our Hero's journeys are definitely different. But to be effective, they'd have to be much more multifaceted than Beauty and the Beast. It's a good teaching story, not dissing it. But it doesn't hold a candle to the Descent of Inanna. Women don't have too many stories that go as profoundly deep into the maturation of consciousness (courage in the face of death, humility, sacrifice, wisdom) as the stories of our male counterparts. But that one does.
Love professor Peterson's pronunciation of "niche". It comes from French, after all. A fantastic discussion with a very important subject and brilliant guests, thank you so much.
That's actually how I pronounce it too, although I'm from the UK. "Divided by a common language"... 🙂
How does he say it? I usually say neesh.
That’s how we pronounce it in the UK, too. It’s always jarring when Americans say “nitch”!
@@ohwellwhateverr Didn't he say nitch in the video?
@@GrubKiller436 No, but Bret and Heather insisted on doing so.
I love this sort of conversation. Thanks! Perfect for listening to at work.
I love being able to listen in on your conversations--simulates a part of my intellect that is hard to get at and I throughly enjoy! Thanks
What a treat to hear the three of you interact--despite length I aim going to strongly recommend viewing by a life long friend and professor and clinician neurologist and another friend who is (recently) become very religiously oriented, retired as a forensic accountant. Can you believe a one and half hour podcast to recommend to such different people. Wow what a podcast. Thank all three of you. See you in Chicago Dr. Peterson, got the tickets! [for three couples!]
I know, I wish it was longer
You have to love that Heather doesn't try to awkwardly shoehorn herself in at certain times where it's just Peterson and Weinstein having a conversation with her in the room. That's a woman with confidence in herself; with an understanding of what's happening. Great woman.
Please, have Mr. Thomas Sowell for us. We need to have this conversation for future generations.
Yes! This would be a glorious masterful exchange of wisdoms
Don't know if it gonna happen. JP got lots of hate just for not bending the knee and having an opinion divergent to some political hacks.
Dr. Thomas is and even deeper level of a topic that sadly has become politicized and weaponized by the corrupt establisment.
Doubt JP would risk exposing to the drama that always brings.
The ultimate podcast. Three of my favorite true modern intellectuals I listen to. Thank you for all of the important work you do in a world that desperately needs it
1:13:00 or so Peterson mentioned that we need more and more powerful computers to tell stories. Yesterday I played Kennshi for about 16 hours. Not something I am proud of and then I thought about why I did that, (and why I am so addicted to games in general) and I realized that I wanted to play out the story of a survivor. I wanted to see what unexpected and tragic things would happen, and see my friends struggle to survive become enslaved and even maimed but then come out the other side. Sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker.
I know my life is better when I don't play games but I recently got back into gaming. I got back into gaming at about the same time my own story became uncomfortable for me. Peterson has a habit of saying what I can't articulate. Thank you Jordan.
3 of my favorite people. I hope Heather recovers from COVID soon. :)
GOD bless you.
@@Seeker7257 God bless you too!
I love this talk. So many people say 'The Science tell you to do this', but forget that science tells you what may be not what ought to be.
It’s a method. ^.^
Philosophy meets sociology meets psychiatry meets biology can be an intellectual catastrophe. But in this instance it's absolutely awesome!
When she talks about being advised to be around undergraduates, it reminds me of something that was tought in my old martial arts school. It went something like this. "The formost goal of a master is to learn how to be someone with the mind of a white belt with the skill set of a black belt."
it may be an odd thing to say, but i really admire the chemistry and warmth between Bret and Heather.
YAY! My favorite duo. Bret and Heather & JBP. My favorite people outside my social circle that are still alive. I would be in a worse spot without both giving me advice.
Such a pleasant conversation. You can tell there is true mutual admiration. Seeing the novel intersections between Jordan and Bret/Heather's thinking was a treat.
I wish Jordan’s podcast were longer. 3 hours would be amazing. I know and respect the fact that this might not be possible with his current health but if he is ever able to do it I hope he does.
I really enjoyed this (I'm looking forward to listening to their book on Audible.).
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I'm really glad to see that Dr Peterson seems to be doing much better.
I truly and genuinely hope that he continues to fully recover. 💛
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He's still stepping on others speech a little too much, I hope he gets back his flow.
I like to think that Brett and Heather reminded each other before the podcast: "Okay, we know he's going to interrupt us, but we aren't going to get upset, because at the end of the day, he's a good guy."
I'm like that, and know others similar... in conversation, these complex, 6-sided ideas jump up, and if not grabbed and allowed to unfold on their own energy, in seconds they're totally unretrievable. And I end up telling some poor soul about electron spin resonance and DNA intercalation for 20 minutes. Peterson described himself as "hyper-verbal"; if that's a term, I have the same disease.
What a gift to be able to listen to you all. Long format, in depth, intelligent and researched discussion. Thank you JP.
I was just thinking I needed more Jordan today, and here it is!
Same
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. It has been akin to gleaning the culmination of years of education, insights, and hypotheses in a sort of Cliffs Notes sound bite; richer than cheesecake for the mind but far more healthy! Such a treat, thanks for sharing!
@@dogperson432 no u
What does a Sacred Name person think about 'evolution?' Is Peterson reconciling the two?
This was a brilliant conversation! I enjoyed every minute.
Dr. Peterson, you appear to be your old self, at least from this side of the screen. I think a lot of thanks goes to your daughter and son-in-law for taking you to Russia, which I daresay saved your life - a life that is a light in the chaos of this particular time in history. Thanks to you and to all the brilliant thinkers of this age.
Hey Mikhaila
I honestly wish this was a 3 hour episode. Absolutely loved it. And yes to the idea of DarkHorse having a conversation with Johnathan Pageau!
Great quote Bret, "Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one". Also ties in nicely to the idea of evolution and creative destruction.
I so miss this flow....of ideas as a retired academic from the time before the woke takeover of the academy. This is how it was for me in the early 70s as an undergraduate and late 70s,as a grad student then professor in the 80 a life filled with similar discussions no censoring of ideas and expression.Things began to shift in the 90s with political correctness ...
I love all 3 of these people and could listen to a conversation like this all day.
Great discussion. As a Christian, it's funny to me as I see people struggle with the idea that there is another force that makes human development so "successful" (in that we're all here, in defiance of the odds), but it was definitely a spirited discussion and everyone was being intellectually honest with each other. That is a hallmark of Dr. Peterson's podcasts that makes them so enjoyable even when the specific subject is not one I would normally take interest in.
God bless you and your family, Dr. Peterson.
This is so much in depth knowledge. Maybe after hundred years, this will be remembered as something of a
golden era of free thinkers!!
Honest conversations will save the world. Thank you for this one…it was fun as well as brilliant.