Crawler Canyon Quick(re)view: Hobbywing Quicrun Fusion SE 1800kv
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ม.ค. 2023
- My definition of "quick" might not fall in line with others. But I've got you know, things to say. I call these a "quickview" because it covers unboxing and initial testing. It does not speak to durability, longevity, etc.
This is the "quick" review of the new evolution of the Hobbywing Fusion 1800, the SE which has replaced the "legacy" Fusion 1800. How does it compare? Is it worth the 80 bucks? What did they have to compromise to get the price down that far?
Answers up inside the video.
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I think it's worth mentioning to your audience that with the foc it maintains rpm regardless of load so you don't have the "transmission saving finger " like a brushed setup tells you when it's loading up and the importance here is making sure the slipper is set right or teeth be flying yo 😂
Nice quick re-view! The SE looks really smooth. Looks like a great motor/ESC choice for someone on a budget. I may pick one up to try out myself. I still love the smoothness of my PRO and it will be my go to for most of my rigs in the future. Thanks for the review and looking forward to the next!
Thanks so much for this video, you did an awesome job and it looks killer. Definitely off the mounting hardware as a kit ; I’m sure you’ll sell a lot of them as it makes the job so much easier.
Looks good. SE is probably the best motor/ESC for the SE 😂. Had to pause mid video and go drive my Enduro Sendero HD which has a classic Fusion 1800kV. I believe I am still running the stock pinion with the higher over-drive. I can get that truck to creep to the point that you can barely see the tires turn. But pull the trigger, and BAM, it will hop up anything! I run at least 25% exponential on my Spektrum Rugged radio. They say the Fusion SE is just the classic in a cheaper case. But it may be a bit different physically and programmatically 🤷♂️ Regardless, I love all my Fusions and Axes. I’m sure an SE will find its way into a truck in the near future.
It doesn't feel hugely different compared to the old 1800, but it definitely feels different. Something had to change other than just the color of the can, because the thing got 5mm shorter. Whether the rotor got shorter or the the ESC got smaller, there's a change. Also, through whatever wizardry, the SE genuinely feels like it makes more torque.
Glad to see ya not hating on a throttle curve/expo. Not sure if I wasn’t conveying my point as well i was trying to, but that feeling of bottom end modulation is the wording I guess I should’ve used when we were chatting last week about throttle curve. That particular aspect is something I’ve grown accustomed to regardless of power system, so when I drive something without it, it doesn’t feel right at all. No matter how “smooth” it is.
I run throttle curves on a whole lot of rigs, because like you, there's a certain trigger feel I'm after. The Fusion SE is SO punchy, and with no electronic aids in the ESC, it all goes down to trigger control. It's actually kinda rewarding, because it feels like driving something that's just at that edge of being "too powerful."
@@CrawlerCanyon right on. I guess I just hadn’t heard you mention that in the last year or so that I’ve been watching the videos. Since I don’t have any transmitters that are expo adjustable, I lean towards Castle and that ESC70 so I can get that throttle curve. Really wish Hobbywing would add that feature! That SE is one heck of a deal, such a powerhouse from the looks of it.
G'day ol son, i was looking at one of these as my new Donk. something simple as an upgrade to my Brushed system. im on a disability pension so ive got to stretch this out and should take me a couple months to save up. I like how you spelt out to us old bogans downunder🙃, how you use the 2 differant KV's of these donks for portal and straight axles. Cheers m8 from this ol boy for your help😁. From one vid ive found out what Donk to buy for my case, and ive seen it in action🧐.....Thats Ace m8 i appreciate all ya work now to find out how much they want HERE😱. Anyways me boy Cheers from Sunny Brisbane Downunder😁
Ok so I ordered up the 1200kv se, thanks for the advice
I have a minty ax10 scorpion, the problem is I've got a fusion se 1800 and a 1080v2 with a holmes hobbies 12 turn crawlmaster pro....hmmm decisions, decisions. I wonder if all things considered they are about equal. Awesome video!
Gunna try & get out tomorrow after the Noah’s Ark conditions here in the 805. Taking the SE out got the New Fusion Pro & it’s my I believe 4th Fusion so yes I’m officially a Fan Boy. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
I'm trying to do the count-- Vanimal is running an old 1200, there are Legacy 1800s in BSH, the Colonel, the Banana, and Gate Rover, Pros in Argentum, Blackjack, and Eddie, and an SE in Baseline. So yeah, I think I ABSOLUTELY have a Fusion problem.
The Pro is just...
I wold love to see how the pin seekers handle the angle ramp. You can't really go wrong with a hobbywing motor from what I've seen.
Great vid. I'm glad I found it. From you experience how smooth is it just above climbing pace? I am lucky to live close to a great club that has a crawling course setup that we use a a benchmark for setups. I bought a trailrunner fire between Christmas and a fusion 1800 se. 1st ride around the course was with stock electronics then I switched to to fusion. First thoughts I was blown away with the slow speed, foc, and that torque wow. I noticed around the course on the flats the vehicle would roll rough (kinda jerky as if it was hunting). Recalibrated the motor and that didn't change, I also turned off the rpm matching to no avail. I just wondered if you had experienced this? Since then I have switch out the stock transmitter and tyres but I am yet to find the time to test.
On my test rig theres no issue with smoothness at any speed , even with a vintage Airtronics MX-Sport controller running things. That is strange-- I will have to take a closer look at the SE's behavior across the whole powerband.
It’s not just the Fusions that are making the SE good asa RTR & at that price point it’s amazing.
Been waiting to hear your thoughts on the se! I have the 1800 se in my base camp and I think it’s been a great match. I really struggle to see the difference with my older 1800, maybe a little bit slower on start up?
My "legacy" 1800s feel smoother, but with less torque. I don't know what they did between the old one and the SE, but the new one feels way more punchy/strong to me.
This one looks like a winner for sure. As much as I like the Castle Slate in my Class1 rig (under the old rules), a fusion would really simplify the 1900 + MambaX layout. Or maybe move my puller pro into my 4ws rig and get the fusion in the TRX4. Its wiring would look a lot cleaner 😂. I'm so glad they released shorter versions of these to fit in more applications
The more I wheel it the more I'm getting used to the "unpolished" nature of the Fusion SE. It's just so strong.
Interesting review. Sounds like the days of the HW1080 and some variety of HH Sport motor as the bog standard, budget-ish upgrade might be numbered. What are your thoughts of what conditions/rigs the brushed combo might be preferable?
There are more adjustability options with a 1080 (like 15 programmable parameters compared to 7) and a whoooooole range of turn counts, where with the SE you have the choice of 1200kv or 1800kv. SO I don't think the SE is an outright "brushed killer," but it is an elegant, no-nonsense setup-- less wiring for a cleaner install, and more torque than I would reckon ANY brushed setup could provide.
I would say to 95% of people looking to upgrade RTR electronics, the Fusion SE is pretty much the best you can do for the money. No frills, all torque.
@@CrawlerCanyon Good points. I think brushed motors have a particular feel to them too, not completely unlike analog Vs digital music!?
I put an 1800kv in one of my builds and love it. But I have 2 problems with the SE. One, you can't get one now...I want to order 2 more and they've been on backorder for a month now. Two, I worry that the current prices ($70-$80) are temporary. HW lists them as $110 and $120 respectively, with the current price being discounted. Maybe this is just a marketing tactic, but if it's not and the price is to increase, that's going to really make it hard to justify purchasing the SE over the Pro. But, if they're really wanting to push their brushed 1080 and Quicrun brushed combos, I don't see how they wouldn't increase the price of the SE, otherwise there's no reason to buy a brushed combo.
You can find them on AliExpress, takes about two weeks or so to get one. That's where I got my 1200. I think te price is going to stay in that 70-80 range, they're aiming hard at the "RTR upgrade" market-- remember, the MSRP on the Pro is a ludicrous $215.
Hello again what settings do you have for the 1200 se? I’m looking for a baseline to start with before I start tinkering. I’m also starting with a 18 tooth pinion on my enduro kit before I change pinions. Thanks again.
The only change I made on the 1200 was to turn the drag brake up one click, because I'm running a 22T pinion with it. My 1800 is in a VFD-Twin, and I run it in "factory settings."
Wow, actually a great learning experience for me after a few videos on this motor.Would a 1200 be less punchy because I'm very new at the trigger and don't have a heavy or fast crawler ( Ecto .Thanks for your play by play way of bringing questions to the for front as the motor over and under performs in situations.
I think that in a Stealth X the 1200 would be a bit easier to control-- and mind you, this is working from the assumption that literally everyone runs 3S. If you're running 2S, I'd recommend the 1800 all the way.
Hello, I have Rock pirates LCG interceptor, I currently have the previous version 1080 with a ready 16 turn 5 slot 550 crawler motor. So my question to you is this: will there be a noticeable improvement in performance with the fusion se? Additionally do the 1080 program cards work with the fusion se? Thanks, your videos are very informative
To the first, the answer is absolutely. The 1080 is great, but even if your Reedy is a Radon (and not one of the RTR-grades) you'll still notice a significant increase in torque.
Yes, the card will work. The SE comes with a sticker that goes on the card with the Fusion parameters, but you can just use it as a "reference card" if you plan on still using the card with the 1080 in the future.
The Surpass 540+ are the only 5-slots I mess with.
@@CrawlerCanyon Thanks a bunch!
Does it have the same 'feel' to the FOC as the Pro? Sorry if I missed it in the video the kids are running around it's bedlam here!
The Pro is definitely smoother. I think of the SE as a Pro with all of the electronic aids/limiters removed, so it's almost just raw power. You have to be a lot more conscious on the trigger with the SE. But as far as what the Se is, or what I see it as, which is an inexpensive brushless upgrade for RTR rigs-- I don't think it has any competition.
Dumb question, if I put one of these in ... Does it run my steering servo too ? Or do I need to have something else to run my Amazon blue can servo ?
It has an internal BEC, so you're good to go.
my TRX4 Sport has the Old 1800. And its just about fast enough :D
My other main rig has the Pro, its ridiculously fantastic
The legacy Fusion 1800 was my favorite system until I met the Pro. The old 1800 is good enough fore like 90% of builds, AFAIC. The SE is like, a little more... raw than the old 1800. It might actually (now that I think about it) be the Fusion system for people that don't like Fusions. It's a little rough around the edges.
Agreed 100% I have them both.
I got the quicrun fusion SE to replace the brushed motor in my stock trail finder. Can I swap the gear on the brushed motor that burned and swap it on my new quicrun fusion ?
You absolutely can.
I guess I'm the crazy one, I run both my Fusion Pros at 100% reverse. I just turn down my brake endpoint to around 65% based on the assumption that the endpoint adjustment is a bit easier to change on the fly if I want to, and doesn't limit the power, just the speed.
I've gotten comfortable enough with the SE to run it at 75% reverse, but 100% reverse still just feels like an absolute rocket.
Here's what you do you get a bigger spur gear and then you can run a really run a small pinion gear that's what I do this with my crawlers they all run a 60 tooth or 61 tooth spur gear through the other ones running a 9 tooth with 32-pitch for my crawler
The SE gearbox has an intermediate gear, similar to the idler gear in a Capra gearbox, so the pinion does not make contact with the spur gear. Pinion size is limited by the configuration of the motor mount.
Well plan to if you can find a gear that is the same pitch is a transmission of that truck
The intermediate gear is 48P (as well as pinion and spur) but that gear is a "hat" gear, with a larger side that meshes to the pinion, and a smaller side that meshes to the spur. So setting pinion mesh is SUPER easy, but available pinion sizes is very limited. The slots in the motor plate are less than 25mm apart, so the motor has to be clocked slightly, which makes much of the length of each mount slot unusable. I'm not 100% sure why they opted to do it this way.
Stance rtr......fusion se 1800 or fusion pro ?
No need for anyone to run brushed setups with these budget friendly brushless motors. I'm running the Spektrum 2in1 1400kv in my Carisma sca-1e coyote2.1 it's perfect for straight axles . I will be picking up a few of these SE 1200 & 1800S
do you know what the max pinion size that i can put in my Vanquish VFD in my Phoenix
Well, the portal has a 52T spur and the straight axle has a 56T, so max pinion will be determined both by the spur size and the motor adjustment slots. With the 52 I'd guess probably an 18 or 19T would be the biggest you could fit? How fast are you trying to go?
@@CrawlerCanyon not super fast I build a lot of scale rigs just wanted for a trail truck it just doesn't seem like it has a lot of Wheels speed and yes it's a straight axle by the way I stumbled upon your TH-cam videos by accident.. I love them they're wonderful informative and I just like your energy. When I'm on TH-cam I just look around for how to videos but yours I subscribe to. And also RC everyday I like that guy too thanks for what you do
@@fezzolare if you have the 1800, you have a number of options to get some “trail speed.” You can switch out the spur for the portal spur, you can go up a few teeth on the pinion. I’m running an 1800 in my straight axle with just the stock pinion and it’s fast enough for me, but I could see people going to a 15T easy.
Mr canyon can you teste this on a 2low gearbox
Watch any video with LoLo in it, notably the 9-ball Battle that took place about a week ago. Lolo is a 2Low with Fusion 1800.
Why not get a Flysky GT5 with a 2a lipo? I love mine! And get rid of the Vintage remote 😂
We don't do GT5s here anymore. This is a Radiolink house.
@@CrawlerCanyon OH, what's the story behind that? I love to hear what happened.
@@CrawlerCanyon Love watching your videos! Your commentary is hilarious. Keeps me engaged. Keep it up!!! (Obviously, I subscribed)
@@runwithmikerc1047 "Familiarity breeds contempt." There's absolutely nothing wrong with the GT5. It's a fine radio. The inability to program/re-assign buttons, and being limited to a 2S battery (and you have to cut the battery tray to fit a decent sized one in there) was enough for me.
Plus, Radiolinks have cruise control.
For your pinion problem simply break out the Dremel!
The motor mount plate is cast aluminum, and there are relieved sections pretty much all around it (it could easily have just been a machined plate) so the amount of room available to grind on the spur side is 2mm. This is definitely a part with room for an aftermarket plate, we'll just have to wait for someone to make it. Until then, the angled slots only allow us to go down to around a 16T. Maybe 15T, depending on the holes on the motor can. A 17T is the absolute minimum on the Fusion.
What servos u like
I would say that my all-around favorite servo in terms of performance for price is the Flash Hobby 60kg amzn.to/3IPoY1Z. I'm at a point where I'm pretty much only looking at direct power for builds, and it's a really good option. More expensive, but if I'm looking for a little more smoothness and finesse, it's the AGFRC SA75CVSW amzn.to/3H7MoPc. For 4S use, I'm almost exclusively NSDRC, with the RS500B being my favorite from them.
@@CrawlerCanyon What is your thoughts on running one off of the balanced port of a battery.
@@thomasmoore990 I am not a fan of that, and honestly don't like it when they include a balance port adapter to plug the battery into. I'm no battery scientist, but I don't think that port is intended for output-- that's the control port for balance charging. For direct power, solder a lead to the battery connector.
@@CrawlerCanyon that's what I will do. Thank for the option's on servos
you need to see a pro phych dude!!