Yes! Whiskey doesn't always get better with more years. There is a sweet spot for bourbon around 9-11 years. Most people just ignore that fact and think "ohh, dark brown and age that much be good". Unfortunately, most people are broken and they will always pick the bottle with the highest oak on the palate as their favorite in a blind. People who aren't broken will look for flavor depth and complexity and those people often don't pick high age statements in a whiskey blind (with tinted glasses so people don't pick on color). Here's what I've learned - Bourbon in new oak really taps out at 9-11 years and doesn't improve in new oak. Moving the whiskey to a secondary, neutral or flavoring barrel is the best thing to do at that point if you want to develop more flavor because the palate isn't there yet. More oak isn't really needed. Scotch makers learned this ages ago and ages mostly in used oak, a lower char, and their climate has fewer high heat days. Anyway, if you want to try something local to the Midwest and incredible... look for anything distilled or sourcing from Nobleton's. Most of their whiskey is only available in Missouri but you can probably order their basic 100 proof stuff online... and for $40-50 it's a pretty good "craft" whiskey. By pretty good I mean it smacks around Ben Holladay (our more famous, but 2nd best brand).
I happened to be sipping this while watching the movie Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World and the creaky oak was perfect with the sound effects. I paid $40 at the time and should have stocked to the moon not knowing how much it was going to go up.
Do you guys know about the ‘neck pour’? I’m not sure about bourbon but with scotch it’s best to unseal a bottle, uncork it, re-cork it, and leave it for a few weeks before drinking. That way it opens up a bit. Otherwise the first glass from a newly opened bottle tends to be disappointing. Take it from me, a Scotsman 🏴
Yes indeed! I do usually take note of when we first open a bottle and then revisit it a month later to see if/how it's changed. But every once in a while we gotta just go with the fresh crack 🥃
After 18 years in the barrel, there's not a whole lot of bourbon left in there. So proofing down is a way for the company to get more yield, and that also explains the pricepoint for these ages of bourbon
i like to do my own blending and have always wanted to see what the 18 blended with ECBP would be like... but given the reviews Ive seen i doubt i will ever buy it...
Great video. I’m sure Dustin knows but $10 a year on the aged bourbon is typically the average. I’m guessing secondary on that bottle is pushing $300. But I definitely would like to try it if I can find it for msrp. I’m sure it’s an allocated bottle so it might be a while. Lol. Thanks for the great videos y’all do. I love your interactions in them.
Just killed my EC18 last night. It’s a decent value for 18yr legacy bourbon. I just wish it was higher proof. If it was cask (~120p) it would be fabulous.
Along with trying to guess the bottle, you should also try to guess what the price of the bottle is. Or maybe, what you would be willing to pay on taste alone, without the bias of the bottle.
When people ask me about this bottle I always tell them to buy at least one bottle to form their own opinion, but I also tell them after my bottle I'd rather take the money and put it towards multiple ECBP's!
I feel like bourbon peaks from years 12 to 15. Maybe 16. But most bottles older than that tend to not fare so well in comparison to other younger bourbons.
I got lucky and got my EC 18 at costco for 136. Would I buy again no. Only if the proof was higher. I did like it more after a few weeks after letting it open more. Yes, wood forward.
Ooo that is a great find 👌🏻 I agree I wish this one was at least sitting around the 100 proof point. I guess maybe it runs the risk of becoming too bitter at that point but...As the consumer it would be nice to control your own level of dilution 🥃
You're both describing sleep paralysis which is quite terrifying in all its varied forms. There isn't really much understanding of its causes either. But, nonetheless, it's not a pleasant experience. As for whiskey ages, the standard is that the peak age of a Scotch is 18 years and the peak age of a bourbon is 12 years. After 18 years, the flavorful components of a Scotch start to break down in the barrel and and after 12 years, a bourbon pulls excessive tanins from the wood and becomes over-oaked. This is why many people prefere the younger Pappy's to the older ones, for example.
A little more of 🤐👃🏻 and a lot less of 🤪🗣... 😂😂 The age on this one really comes through and brings down the sweetness. This probably would have benefited from a higher proof, especially at that price point. Good move to pick an unopened bottle! I think there may be some discussion around the whiskey budget... 😬😂😉
3:29 A what now? I'm probably not down with the kids enough to have a clue what's being said here. Also with all this Old Fashioned chat will we get an episode of 'Cocktails with Kalyn' at some point, where she shows us how she makes all her favourites?...now go wash your mouth out with soap after that ending!
a remarkable use of All-4-One on MULTIPLE occasions...really well done. "aaaaoooooooooooo". As for the whiskey, the 18 year is missing proof...woody and lame
Love is in the air today...💕
This is by far the best duo on TH-cam…. We need to see some bourbon hunting videos.
Did I mention how much I love the unbridled silliness of that cap? 😂🥂
I concur, lol
Yes! Whiskey doesn't always get better with more years. There is a sweet spot for bourbon around 9-11 years. Most people just ignore that fact and think "ohh, dark brown and age that much be good". Unfortunately, most people are broken and they will always pick the bottle with the highest oak on the palate as their favorite in a blind. People who aren't broken will look for flavor depth and complexity and those people often don't pick high age statements in a whiskey blind (with tinted glasses so people don't pick on color).
Here's what I've learned - Bourbon in new oak really taps out at 9-11 years and doesn't improve in new oak. Moving the whiskey to a secondary, neutral or flavoring barrel is the best thing to do at that point if you want to develop more flavor because the palate isn't there yet. More oak isn't really needed. Scotch makers learned this ages ago and ages mostly in used oak, a lower char, and their climate has fewer high heat days.
Anyway, if you want to try something local to the Midwest and incredible... look for anything distilled or sourcing from Nobleton's. Most of their whiskey is only available in Missouri but you can probably order their basic 100 proof stuff online... and for $40-50 it's a pretty good "craft" whiskey. By pretty good I mean it smacks around Ben Holladay (our more famous, but 2nd best brand).
@6:00 I'm picturing myself coming home and my wife has drained a $150 bottle of whiskey making old fashioned for her friends.....
It could happen to any of us 😅
I happened to be sipping this while watching the movie Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World and the creaky oak was perfect with the sound effects. I paid $40 at the time and should have stocked to the moon not knowing how much it was going to go up.
Very wise women, age does not means it better 💥👏👍
As enjoyable as always 😀 Cheers!
Cheers right back! 🥃
curious as to why you dont add water to the whiskey
Do you guys know about the ‘neck pour’? I’m not sure about bourbon but with scotch it’s best to unseal a bottle, uncork it, re-cork it, and leave it for a few weeks before drinking. That way it opens up a bit. Otherwise the first glass from a newly opened bottle tends to be disappointing.
Take it from me, a Scotsman 🏴
Yes indeed! I do usually take note of when we first open a bottle and then revisit it a month later to see if/how it's changed. But every once in a while we gotta just go with the fresh crack 🥃
After 18 years in the barrel, there's not a whole lot of bourbon left in there. So proofing down is a way for the company to get more yield, and that also explains the pricepoint for these ages of bourbon
Kalyn, you were visited by the Night Crusher.
i like to do my own blending and have always wanted to see what the 18 blended with ECBP would be like... but given the reviews Ive seen i doubt i will ever buy it...
You were right on track with the wood and bitterness.. I thought you were definitely going to guess something 15yr or older. Still great video!
do have a favorite amongs bourbon, bulliet 10 year... cant get in sweden though still seeking....cheers!
Great video. I’m sure Dustin knows but $10 a year on the aged bourbon is typically the average. I’m guessing secondary on that bottle is pushing $300. But I definitely would like to try it if I can find it for msrp. I’m sure it’s an allocated bottle so it might be a while. Lol. Thanks for the great videos y’all do. I love your interactions in them.
Just killed my EC18 last night. It’s a decent value for 18yr legacy bourbon. I just wish it was higher proof. If it was cask (~120p) it would be fabulous.
Sweet bar!
That price reaction… 😂😂
Along with trying to guess the bottle, you should also try to guess what the price of the bottle is. Or maybe, what you would be willing to pay on taste alone, without the bias of the bottle.
I'm thinking 180 in her eyes was a bit much :) and I agree . No way is that one worth it !
When people ask me about this bottle I always tell them to buy at least one bottle to form their own opinion, but I also tell them after my bottle I'd rather take the money and put it towards multiple ECBP's!
I feel like bourbon peaks from years 12 to 15. Maybe 16. But most bottles older than that tend to not fare so well in comparison to other younger bourbons.
I got lucky and got my EC 18 at costco for 136. Would I buy again no. Only if the proof was higher. I did like it more after a few weeks after letting it open more. Yes, wood forward.
Ooo that is a great find 👌🏻 I agree I wish this one was at least sitting around the 100 proof point. I guess maybe it runs the risk of becoming too bitter at that point but...As the consumer it would be nice to control your own level of dilution 🥃
@@otbwhiskey could be. My wife loves it only because it's lower proof. Lol
You're both describing sleep paralysis which is quite terrifying in all its varied forms. There isn't really much understanding of its causes either. But, nonetheless, it's not a pleasant experience.
As for whiskey ages, the standard is that the peak age of a Scotch is 18 years and the peak age of a bourbon is 12 years. After 18 years, the flavorful components of a Scotch start to break down in the barrel and and after 12 years, a bourbon pulls excessive tanins from the wood and becomes over-oaked. This is why many people prefere the younger Pappy's to the older ones, for example.
I seen this bottle for $180 today and passed on it. I’m sure it’s good but for that price I would need to try it before I bought it
That’s a great idea…. I should make Dustin try these expensive ones before he buys them and if he can’t try them then he can’t buy them 😮💡😈 cheers 🥃
lmao who edits these things? 😂
What year release is the bottle?
I can't remember exactly when I got it but the bottling date is 10/9/2023 - Barrel #6639
A little more of 🤐👃🏻 and a lot less of 🤪🗣...
😂😂
The age on this one really comes through and brings down the sweetness. This probably would have benefited from a higher proof, especially at that price point.
Good move to pick an unopened bottle! I think there may be some discussion around the whiskey budget... 😬😂😉
What whiskey budget? 🤷🏼♂😅
@@otbwhiskey Fair!! 😂
Before you move, could we please see what's behind the folding door?
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Your neighbors over in Wisconsin default to brandy in their old fashioneds. I'm a bit surprised Minnesota defaults to whiskey.
One of the few whiskeys thats more expensive if you get it at the distillery. $220 out the door... Oof
gawi nulim
Tune in next time when Dustin has his mouth washed out with soap
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3:29 A what now? I'm probably not down with the kids enough to have a clue what's being said here. Also with all this Old Fashioned chat will we get an episode of 'Cocktails with Kalyn' at some point, where she shows us how she makes all her favourites?...now go wash your mouth out with soap after that ending!
Oh haha I believe Kalyn was saying "Spooked" 😱 but with an "a" at the end as if she were Italian 🤌🏻...don't ask why
Lovin the videos fam! Let’s get together sometime!
a remarkable use of All-4-One on MULTIPLE occasions...really well done. "aaaaoooooooooooo". As for the whiskey, the 18 year is missing proof...woody and lame
Don’t even care about the whiskey today. Where on gods green earth did you get a hat hat!
Ha. It is one of my favorite hats! 🧢 www.dadbrandapparel.com/
I was thinking the same thing. A "hat" hat