Coolant The Movie - Haas Automation Inc.
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- We've produced quite a number of coolant related videos over the years here at Haas. This 30-minute epic was produced several years ago, but was never published on TH-cam because we chose to break the content up into more easily digestible pieces and shorter videos.
But we've had requests to release this video, especially to show the comparison between types of coolant that we cover at the beginning of the video.
Over the course of the video we talk about: Coolant Types, Coolant Concentration, Topping Up Your Tank, Carry-out and Evaporation, Cleaning a Dirty Tank, and Mixing a New Batch.
Check it out and see if there's something useful in here for you.
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Andrew needs a raise.
Andrew: Can I get your autograph?
I vote for free beer for Andrew
free beer tomorrow
I like working with guys like Andrew who keep the standards up. Good job Andrew.
It's pretty sad when you are the one who always keep the standard up.
I've already thought of a better design to make it easier, also the machine is quite different
It all starts with good coolant. The coolant literally touches everything.. Your part, your tools, your machine, YOU! Good quality, well maintained coolant enhances/protects everything it touches.
Any suggestions about the best coolant to use? I have been using Cincinnati 1070 for years but wouldn't mind trying something else.
@@dangrimes5078 I've had good performance and low maintenance with Trim MicroSol 690XT (Semi-Synthetic). Hasn't gone rancid even when my machine (home shop) sits for a few months. It's pricey though. Best deal I can find on it is at Zoro.com with a coupon.
This is gold. Hands down, nothing better than this video out there (for coolant maintenance on CNC/VMC machines). Thanks HAAS.
Thanks for the compliments A. Cota!
I have an issue with how you calculate top-up solution. You are doing it in a roundabout way that makes it easier to make mistake, and this is definitely not the way you want to teach to someone who needs help with such a task.
I would advice it to be done as following:
1) Calculate target volumes of water and concentrate separately. We need 55 gallons of mixture at 7% concentration, so we need 55*0.07=3.85 gallons of concentrate and 55*0.93=51.15 gallons of water. (This part can be done once per coolant type change and written down in service log.)
2) Calculate current volumes of water and concentrate in the sump: 44*0.04=1.76 gallons of concentrate and 44*0.96=42.24 gallons of water.
3) Subtract current numbers from target numbers to get volumes of concentrate and water to mix in: 3.85-1.76=2.09 gallons of concentrate and 51.15-42.24=8.91 gallons of water.
Had the same comment. Well, math is not their strong suit.
"advise".....And there will a total of ZERO people who do that
Starring Andrew. And THE Announcer. A riveting production. The chase scene was exceptionally well done. Certainly will be up for an Academy Award.
I will put this in my reference archive for review; I learned a lot. Thank you.
Thanks for the compliments vondeliusc! .... the pace is definitely a little more methodical than the videos we're producing now.
My lil' buckets graduated too. I was so proud. We had a huge party!
Thank you for all the work that went into making this video! Somehow, somewhere, you cheered up somebody's old black heart!
Wow, such a complete information, this would help us in my work pretty much. Thank you so much!!
Pablo-Mecatro, Thanks for the compliment!
Excellent quality video on a very misunderstood yet critical subject - Keep up the good work!
Thanks UncleBman!
You guys always have fantastic tips for those starting in the industry! I'm recommending to the college that they include your tips in standard curriculum.
We do use these great videos at our college. Of course we also use Haas machine tools so it's a no brainer.
Excellent video about a topic many ignore.
Great video. My work is getting a VF4-SS real soon. Awesome info to learn beforehand
It needs 2.09 gallons of coolant added and 8.91 gallons of water
If it has 44 gallons at 4% then there are 1.76 gallons of coolant in the tank already. 55 gallons at 7% would be 3.85 gallons of coolant. Therefore 2.09 gallons of coolant are need to bring the quantity of coolant in the tank up to the correct amount. Next, by supplementing with 8.91 gallons of water, the top up solution will raise the quantity of fluid by 11 gallons and to a concentration of 7%.
I use to get electrolysis bronzing on my aluminum part. The problem is much deeper with the machine but i treated the problem by lowering the PH in my coolant that prevented the electrolysis effect with the coolant. Also it helps to use coolant made for non ferrous metals or ferrous metals depending on what youre machining.
Very proper explanation, thanks a lot!
Great video! Just needs more Terryberry!
Thanks for the comment Erik, we even have a coolant video with Mark in it. Here is the link if you haven't seen it. th-cam.com/video/PpVbIg_ihDk/w-d-xo.html&list=PL1FfK7Yod27fuiQ4ZSRAnTT7Ut0wJCGRP
Great video, congrats !
Coolant the movie? can't wait for the sequel lol!
Very informative indeed, but all I could think of was "Poor Andrew"
Andrew, at 19:17...…..Always remember to lift with you legs and not your back.
One bad lift and you can have a life time of back pain.
i dont know what the fuck im doing here but even tho im not a machinist i keep whathing these videos for hours ...
I saw ESSENTIAL on the screen while he was pouring oil. Damn essential oils.
Great video Guys! What would have been very helpful is suggestions on for example Venturi mixer, cleaning solution, coolant that you Guys are using and for what type of machining??
Good questions Werner. At the very end of our Tools of Coolant video we list some good search terms to use when you're trying to find these various items, here is a link to that part of the video: th-cam.com/video/itQOP_JjilM/w-d-xo.html
The venturi mixer we show in the video is the Zebra Venturi Machinists Mixer.
Since we are using Castrol coolants here in our shop we've used their cleaning solution in the few cases we've had to clean out the entire coolant systems on machines. The name is: Castrol "Flexiclean" Heavy Duty Multi-Purpose Alkaline Cleaner. But most of the major coolant manufacturers will have a similar type of cleaner and it's probably best to contact your coolant supplier to start with the cleaner they recommend.
The coolant we use here in the factory is Castrol Hysol MB-50. It is a high oil content semi-synthetic water soluble coolant that works quite effectively on steel, aluminum, and cast iron. Hope this helps!
Thank you very much
Excellent MOVIE, indeed.
Thanks
At 1:07 what are those fittings on the turret to the drill and where can I get them. I've never seen anything look that unjanky before.
that's cool!
Andrew, thank you Andrew.
Could you please suggest the Alkaline Cleaner which the manufacturer recommended for a thorough cleaning?
Just add your 1.32g to the 44g, and subtract that from 55. You get 9.68g. now just mix up 9.68g of coolant mix. It's less steps and more accurate
Where did you get the 55 gallon white drum that has a spout on the side and an opening for the coolant to be poured in while it lays on it's side.
If acidity is the only thing that needs to be corrected, oxygen bubbled into water will make it alkaline, would that be good to do/use?
Thank you for the video. Lots of good info here. Any chance there is a plan on a coolant maintenance video for the ST10 with the integrated tank? We just got an ST10Y a short time ago. It seems that everything is hard to get to and not nearly as easy as it is here for the ST30. I may be missing something but would be great to have how Haas expects operators to maintain an integrated tank for the ST10 series. I've looked everywhere and there seems to be little to no info on this subject. Thanks for the great videos!
Trevor Adams, good idea for another coolant video. Just when we figured we'd done every coolant video ever possible.
We will add this to the list and maybe with luck some other ST-10 owners will chime in with notes on how they service their coolant.
I dont know of the ST-10 but Mini-Mill has an integral tank and removable panels below the table, is a nightmare to clean. It was a task that no one wanted to do. This unit, the Exair Chip Trapper I cannot say enough good about. It removed 40 gallons in as many seconds. If the coolant is still good use the fill function handling the hose to flush out the trapped chips. Repeat two or three times if needed. The first time I cleaned a very neglected sump half filled with chips it was ugly. I filled two filter bags and still had to hand remove about an inch layer of chips but mine was an extreme case.
If you keep routine of draw and refill will keep the sump 99% clear and takes only a few minutes. The bags are less than $20 and not worth the trouble cleaning and a less fill bag draws better flow. Tie off with a cord and hang over the open drum over the weekend to drain off.
www.exair.com/index.php/catalogsearch/result/?q=chip+trapper
I have no affiliation with this company and am not compensated in any manner.
Hard job for Andrew!
Cool ant informative vijeo
My mind is sorta blown that bacterial accumulation is a problem with machining. I just never thought that'd be a problem. Then again, they've developed bacteria that can eat plastic so...
Where do you get the bacteria test kit?
Great video series. I just got my first VMC and have a lot learn. Your videos are super helpful. What high alkaline cleaner do you recommend or use for cleaning the tank and coolant lines?
There are a handful that work well. My favorite is Castrol Techniclean MP Flex…based on the jug and ratio of 4% at peak, that may be what they are using.
@@chrisholtsinger5333 Thanks for the reply. I will check that product out.
Get your shit together Andrew, time is money.
Patrick Bateman is now doing commentary’s for hass yt videos
Andrew is a pretty smart guy :D .
Non-moving coolant/heat in summer can be problematic too, guys.
Follow this video and save andrew's hardwork
Abom size drill 20:38
Good one :)Abom 79 Yeah man. Love his vids.
Most people will fail the math lesson.
Recap: 29:35
Great vid. Where can we order a chip basket and strainer?
That’s what I was wondering also
I went to parts.haascnc.com. here is the direct link parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Maintenance-Upgrade/FILTER%2C-SUPPLEMENTAL-CHIP-TRAY-KIT/p/30-10903
Good question Nerdly. Thanks for the link Custom ThermoElectric. Here also is the link for the replacement filters for the basket.
parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Find-Replacement-Parts/Coolant-Systems/Standard-Coolant/Filters/FILTER%2C-SUPPLEMENTAL-CHIP-TRAY-FILTER-BASKET-X10/p/30-10904
These are more expensive than the McMaster felt filters that Custom mentions in an earlier comment but they are elastic and are made to fit the filter basket. Either style should work just fine to keep the small particles out of the tank and can be made to last if you take a little care as you're brushing the chips off the filter into the chip bin. Thanks!
I use an old Milltronics VM-20 and there is no filtration system whatsover. The coolant already looks nasty and i have no idea how concentrated it is. I dislike working in shops who won't buy necessary things for their CNC machine
My brand new VF2 did not come with a chip strainer shown in the video. Where can I get those?
Andreas
Andreas, The Chip Strainer and Filters are available at parts.haascnc.com. Here is the link to both items:
parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Maintenance-Upgrade/FILTER%2C-SUPPLEMENTAL-CHIP-TRAY-KIT/p/30-10903
parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Find-Replacement-Parts/Coolant-Systems/Standard-Coolant/Filters/FILTER%2C-SUPPLEMENTAL-CHIP-TRAY-FILTER-BASKET-X10/p/30-10904
Can you talk coolant hoses? The difference between the old black hoses on a vf2 and the blue garden hoses on a 2018 vf2. Why the switch?
The pump hoses I guess
It's funny seeing them calculate the amounts to two decimal points, but then forget to deduct the amount of concentrate added to the existing coolant from the 11gallons, resulting in a mixture that is too rich. Close guys, but not quite :D
17:55 Coolant mixing ASMR.
We test the coolant with refractometer using the running coolant not sitting coolant in the tank. I wonder. In terms of filling we usually just use whatever space is free since most machines we have won't overflow to the floor unless you wayyyyy overfill it. They have pre calculated measuring containers. The hard water is interesting though bc I'm pretty sure we use hard water. This makes me want to clean all of the coolant tanks real bad lmao fuck
gia, thanks for the notes on your process. Pre-calculated containers will definitely make the process quicker and more consistent. The information in the video concerning starting a new batch with harder water and topping up with DI water is based on working with our coolant vendors and our own experience here in the Haas factory, but these are general recommendations. In our own testing and interviews with customers we found there was a wide range of situations where shops were getting good performance with a variety of coolants and water hardness levels. Some coolants are more sensitive to water quality and concentration than others. Bottom line; if your coolant is performing well, tools stay sharp, good part finishes, no rust on your parts or machines, then keep doing what your doing. Don't dump your coolant unless the performance is suffering.
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@ 24:00 take that outside Andrew and pressure wash it & get a cordless drill. F all that hand cranking.
Hilarious! :)
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Good morning
Why not always use the chip strainer?
I wondered this as well
What test strips do you use ?
Scott, at the end of our Tools of Coolant video we have a list of search terms you can use to find the products we talk about in the video. Here is the link the part of the video where we mention the test strips.
th-cam.com/video/itQOP_JjilM/w-d-xo.html
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Would the same coolant rules apply to a machine like a surface grinder?
Lower concentration would be adequate.
great video on coolant basics and maintenance. The flow of info from Haas is not matched anywhere else in the industry.
My only comment is that the video at 29:19 mentions a "chip strainer" that comes with your new Haas machine. We just took delivery of a new VF-2SS in January 2019 and it did not come with the chip strainer basket and filter cover as shown in the video. According to the HFO Tech that performed the installation, Haas machines are no longer shipping with the chip strainer and must be purchased separately. I did purchase it as the Tech highly recommended. It was only $75.00. I also added some 100 micron filter felt on top of the basket but under the Haas mesh filter (from McMaster.com part # 51625K37 ) that eliminates most of the fines from even getting into the tank. Chip strainer link parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Maintenance-Upgrade/FILTER%2C-SUPPLEMENTAL-CHIP-TRAY-KIT/p/30-10903
Custom ThermoElectric, great comment and thanks for the compliment. Yes, the Strainer Kit can now be purchased at parts.haascnc.com. Thanks for posting the link!
Here is the link to the filters as well parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Find-Replacement-Parts/Coolant-Systems/Standard-Coolant/Filters/FILTER%2C-SUPPLEMENTAL-CHIP-TRAY-FILTER-BASKET-X10/p/30-10904. This is for a 10 pack of filters. They aren't cheap but they fit the tray correctly and with a little care each filter can last quite a long time and as you say they do a great job of removing the finest particles and keeping your coolant cleaner.
My latest HAAS purchase was a Super Mini Mill about a year ago. The strainer was provided, but I don't think it works with the integrated tanks on the mini-mills. Coolant maintenance is very difficult on those machines because access is a major challenge.
My name is frank Woodall I am on the engineering team at zebra skimmers and we make the tube skimmer for haas machines. Coolant Mait. Is what we do! If we can help in any way please reach out haas!! Love the videos!!
Thanks for the comment Frank! Zebra makes great tools for keeping your coolant working correctly.
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Looks like Andrew’s been fucking off with coolant all day when it shouldn’t take but 5 minutes to top off the water directly into the tank at 53 gal and keep adding the solution until it reads a bit over 7%
It's so complicated .....I just want to make chips
Ha imperial unit calculation. Hahshahaha!
Oh and getting coolant to drain in a mill. When you run an aluminum job
why on earth, a person with nothing to do with cnc machine like me, watch this whole video?
Be like Andrew
could you not just place some UV lamps inside or over the coolant tank to constantly kill bacteria? (at least most of them)
Would cause unwanted reactions
@@0MrBlazefighter0 for example?
Why would Haas not put a simple coolant calculator in the software? Dah
That is a good question Brad, we seriously considered adding a coolant concentration calculator to the control. But as we worked on this project and talked with customers about how they used coolant we realized that typically most shops get to a point where their process works reasonably well and they have a consistent refill process based on how their coolant reacts to their shop environment and the materials they are cutting.
We realized we wanted to focus on a system that would truly make the entire coolant refill process easier, so we designed the Coolant Refill System which is fully integrated with the control and does significantly streamline keeping your tank filled at the right concentration.
Here is the link to the Coolant Refill System: parts.haascnc.com/haasparts/en/USD/Performance-Upgrade/Coolant-Upgrades/Lathe-Coolant/COOLANT-REFILL-OPTION/p/COOLANT%20REFILL%20OPT
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17:25 well you only poured 2.08 Gallons in :P
NOOOOO Parallax error !!! u have to put your head inside the bucket to measure the correct level of the liquid you're measuring ( :D :D :D )
You dont pick up chips with latex gloves. You’re better than that HAAS
Andrew: Safe a copy of this video for use in your claim for permanent disability due to for lower lumbar failure. Be prepared for surgery and drugs the rest of your life. (Safety Dept: Stand by for a Poor Practice Protocol award plaque.
ehhhh just dump a lil coolant in some water and call it good.
Poor audio quality!
hard consonants are very prominent and distracting. get a pop filter for the mic.
Volume swings considerably, even within the same sentence. Move the mic further away, and clean this up in post-processing using compression
Audio was fine, maybe music level could be a bit lower. what device u used to lissen the video? reference speakers in a studio room? High quality headphones? what your Eq settings? your Hardwarer and software sound processing settings? did u check the Phase of the sound signal from source to end ? when u have a system that is neutral and don't move phase sound, and reproduce it as it is at source then we can talk about pop filters and post processing :D