I work with a guy who refuses to use TSC just because that’s what he’s always ran with. I turned it on in all our programs where we have tools that can use it. He always shuts it off , can’t convince the guy. Being a manual machinist before Cnc, I can attest how much better it is for tool life, and part finish, also allows for higher feed rates. Ben if you’re reading this, please watch the whole video 😂
@@cadneemountai2791 it’s on a mazak so there is a button called through coolant auto you have to turn on otherwise it ignores any m codes that turn it on
When I bought a UMC 750SS at work to machine carbon fiber, I took TSC "just in case". Boy was I happy I did, when we discovered the diamond grain end mills would clog unless we turn on the TSC !
I like the idea of tsc. But I have had a lot of trouble on older haas mills getting it to work. I have not been able to try it out on the newer ones yet. Thanks for the advice on the tip of the day mark. I have been working with cnc since the 1990. Ps thanks for the final comment on this article.
I occasionally rough dry, grab a coffee, then switch on coolant for finishing. Not sure if that's enough time to really cool off, but it seems to work well enough. Sometimes need to rotate inserts anyway when dealing with tough materials.
Absolutely 100% non-negotiable when drilling out stainless steels in a productive manner. I've programmed and ran parts in a lathe where I've had to drill 5.0" deep in 304 stainless with a 0.403" size drill. Cutting with a cobalt steel bit took around 25 minutes per part, but with the thru-coolant carbide tip drill, the cycle time dropped to 7 minutes when taking into account all the other tools. That wasn't even with high pressure coolant either. Just some old beat up SL-30 from 05'. Put on a fresh insert, turn on the tool overload alarm to about 15% higher than what the spindle load readout is saying, hit cycle start, and get paid.
LOL! when I saw you running that tap with the coolant going through the collet, I thought to myself... I haven't done exactly that, but I have run drills like that, and it does still clear the chips. I thought I was doing the wrong thing. Also, through coolant drills are really really nice.
I love TSC, but have found that it can warp hole sizes on some cast aluminum parts. The pressure from the TSC would be enough to cause the chips when evacuating the hole to rub the sides of the hole on their way out causing the hole to expand causing my hole to come out over sized. I was using a .204 TSC carb drill and my hole would come out around .214, but when I’d turn the TSC off and just run flood coolant the hole would stay true to size. Otherwise I use TSC whenever possible.
@@Big_Friendly it might have, it’s hard to say. What for sure caused the hole to be oversized. I could see noticeable scratch marks in the hole after the TSC, but when I used the same drill same holder and everything just without the TSC my hole came out perfect. What is your guess? I just figured the material was so soft that the pressure caused more material to come off. It is a 1000psi system.
Can you please to a Tip of the Day on the ATM page? Seems like a forgotten feature that I always use to prevent my tools from breaking and calling up backups. What I want to know is if there is a macro to automatically write in the Tool Load limits for each tool.
Thats a good topic. If your Haas machine has rigid tapping, I'd skip the floating tap holder and focus more on your coolant concentration and the type and quality of the tap you are using. In the 1990s, we used a lot of compression tap-holders, as many of the machines didn't have the Rigid Tapping option. Today, all Haas machines will come standard with Rigid Tapping, so there real is no reason to use a spring-loaded floating tap holder any longer. On older machines without Rigid Tapping, we could run into trouble if trying to use floating holders with Form/Roll Taps, unless we really play with things to get our application working, they have a hard time starting until fully compressed, which can make our thread depth vary. Today, we may occasionally still use a floating tap holder, like the ones made by Emuge, but these are just adjusting for small axial/radial runout, to prolong tap life on long running production jobs.
I used TSC with my 1/2” KOR5 end mill with the hole for it. Makes a huge mess. It did bite me one day. It threw chips up into the tool change mechanism and a chip stuck to the grease in front of the prox switch. Took me over 1/2 a day to take all the covers off to find the problem. 5 seconds to clear the chip. I like TSC a lot but the covers around the tool change need to be better.
Check out 07:29 where we show the components in the TSC system. For more information on the plumbing of TSC, take a look at th-cam.com/video/RL0zWuuywzA/w-d-xo.html , and if you are really wanting to see the nuts and bolts of the TSC system, you can look at this TSC Troubleshooting guide: www.haascnc.com/service/troubleshooting-and-how-to/troubleshooting/tsc-300-1k---troubleshooting-guide.html
It is all clever and in right way explained by intellectual real expert. Thank you in great deal. But before to make excess to machine of high cost it is need to be training by using interface by some simulation software by hundred times . Where it is? I think HAAS lose customers by this vacuum of lack of training software for free. (If you have some advise please give it)Without it I feel doubt even I inspect you perfect material of teaching hundreds times.
My only gripe with TSC is getting coolant on the tool holder shank and in the spindle taper, typically after a job that runs tsc we'll take all the tools out wipe them down, wipe the spindle taper, and reload.
I almost forgot, haas tapers stick like crazy, to the amount of the arm not being able to pull out the tool… otherwise i really love tsc, carbide drills kick ass in stainless, and the chip evac is supreme with high feed mills…
Is there a reason why we wouldn't run all tools with TSC if available? Right now we are working a job and we are using a TSC drilling operation but then when we switch to tapping it's back to standard coolant delivery. I haven't asked the programmer yet why this is the case. I'm assuming it's a cost decision? Also, do the orifices in TSC tooling have an effect on tool strength?
@markterryberry4477 Hey Mark, I’ve reached out to my local HFO but can’t get any responses from anyone about this. I have a 2021 VF-2YT. I bought it used, seller said it was TSC Ready, but once I got it and ran the serial it didn’t actually. It does however have a hollow spindle motor shaft and drawbar. I’ve been able to blow air thru the spindle. I don’t currently have any need for TSC but I do absolutely have a need for thru spindle air. I removed the push to connect fitting up top and blasted air thru the spindle but when I put the tool in the spindle (have verified the tool functions correctly on the bench) the air leaks out somewhere between the taper and the air purge fitting up top. Is there something specifically different between a TSC Ready spindle and a non TSC Ready spindle as far as seals/etc goes? I don’t need the tool to spin while air is running thru but I do need to be able to rotate it with an M19 Rx value in the program. Any help in this would be GREATLY appreciated.
New from the factory, TSC can be installed on Mini Mills. It is not an option on TM Toolroom Mills. The TSC option is not field-installable on any Haas machine unless it has gotten the TSC Ready Option from the factory, when built. So if you are thinking you might want TSC in the future, be sure to order TSC, or the TSC Ready Option, when the machine is first built. Check out the Build-and-Price feature that allows you to see what options are available on each machine, right from our website. www.haascnc.com
Question for the group: I have a smaller drill I am using to pilot #6-32 tapped features using TSC. When using that drill the pressure in the TSC line gets to ~1150psi. Other tools that I use TSC with are larger tools and the psi stays well below the 1k rating. I changed out the collet on the pilot drill to a non-sealed/standard collet to try and reduce the pressure. So finally the question, is the pressure surpassing the 1k psi mark, to a max value of 1150 psi, going to damage the TSC lines in the machine?
That high 1,150psi pressure is perfect for that small drill, and the system is designed to handle this just fine. 03:39 . For more information on the pressure vs volume of our TSC, check out this other great video we have on TSC th-cam.com/video/RL0zWuuywzA/w-d-xo.html
I have CTS on my Leadwell machine, but problem is i use mostly plastics especially derlin, it break down to microplastics and fill up in filter like almost every time when i use CTS. Machine alarm pop up say CTS is dirty. Any tip to resolve the problem?
I'm not sure on your exact machine. On our Haas machines I would be recommending our Chip Tray Filter Kits that pre-screen the coolant as it goes into the tank, and then I'd be looking into our Auxiliary Coolant Filter which really helps us keep those fine chips out of our coolant. Depending on the material we are cutting I might play around with the filter bag material as well, with plastics having a too-fine (too low of a micron filter bag) filter will cause us to clog up quickly. For roughing, try and keep those feed rates up on the plastics as well, giving us bigger chips.
Is it better for TSC to be aimed at the cutting edge or leading the cutting edge. Most mill tools. It leads. On lathe tooling it is at the cutting edge. Why the difference?
With some tools, the high pressure coolant can help with our chip breakage. This is especially important on lathes where we are trying to avoid long stringy chips. On mills, we won't get those long stringy chips because of the interrupted cuts. This is one of the reasons manufactures have different 'targets' for their TSC. Lots of coolant, on the tools cutting edges is a always a good thing.
@@markterryberry4477 cool. I figured that was the reason. Just wanted to double check. I have four CNC’s (Haas SL20, TL3, Fadal VMC20, Fadal 4020), the sl20 great job of coolant delivery. The others, not so much. I can see, from someone who have never used TSC, where it should be better (a lot). I know on a lathe. Most of it is single point tools. On a VMC usually it’s 3,4,5 insert tools. So is their thoughts just get some form of cooling and lubrication there? Or is there some bigger issue they are trying to deal with?
The AUX coolant button is the TSC button for us. On a mill, we only allow the TSC to be turned On or Off while the spindle is stopped. This has to do with the way the coolant sealant discs in the spindle operate.
@@markterryberry4477 thank you. It's important for me to check the drill bit when i do a long drilling cycle on a stainless or hardened steel parts. Some time i like to check it in the middle of the hole
@@MosabAyyad it might be something to do with your haas controller. my umc750 with the older controller cannot turn off the TSC while running at the middle of the program too. And my 1 year old umc500 allows me to turn on and off the TSC while the program is running.
@@harryho9097 @mo3ab I believe you have to press FEED HOLD, stop the spindle, and then press the [AUX CLNT] key to stop the TSC while running a program. Then, press [AUX CLNT] again to restart the TSC and then start your spindle.
Would you run tsc with a standard hss drill in an er collet? I’ve done it with luck here and there but I feel like I’m shoving chips back into the hole
It’s great for keeping the coolant on the drill, especially in a pocket, we will still need to peck the drill unless it is a real through-tool-coolant drill though. No TSC = pecking. Only a TSC drill will force the chips out without pecking.
Hi Mark - Long time fan. As an owner of a new UMC750 with HSK and TSC 1,000PSI, I am a bit underwhelmed by the TSC. I drill a lot of 10-32 architecture and I have yet to find a reliable sealed collet from any supplier that fits a .201 #7 drill... Neither Haas nor Maritool nor anyone else has one Also, I have pneumatic drill chucks that are TSC compatible there is no way to get a good seal such that the coolant goes through the drill and not every where else with just a little bit going to the tip. Primarily due to the architecture of the edge of the Haas TSC drills at the butt end. Any advice on these topics would be great!
I have all of my drills in Rego-Fix ER chucks. For TSC tools, I use thier ERC collet nut and a sealing disk appropriately sized for the shank. Rego-Fix has a few videos on their channel describing the system, hasn't let me down yet.
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The Haas MQL auto air gun super sucks. I can’t believe how much it cost and how crappy it is. I really hate it. You definitely can’t leave it unattended.
I work with a guy who refuses to use TSC just because that’s what he’s always ran with. I turned it on in all our programs where we have tools that can use it. He always shuts it off , can’t convince the guy. Being a manual machinist before Cnc, I can attest how much better it is for tool life, and part finish, also allows for higher feed rates. Ben if you’re reading this, please watch the whole video 😂
😂😂😂 . I just thought you needed through coolant collets to use this feature
Add it in a few times in the program.
@@cadneemountai2791 it’s on a mazak so there is a button called through coolant auto you have to turn on otherwise it ignores any m codes that turn it on
内冷换刀时主轴里全是水
Hooray, Mark is back.
I have always loved HAAS tip of the day
RIP Billy Mays. You will not be forgotten.
When I bought a UMC 750SS at work to machine carbon fiber, I took TSC "just in case". Boy was I happy I did, when we discovered the diamond grain end mills would clog unless we turn on the TSC !
Just a flat-out game changer. 8,500 1/8 dia holes in 304 stainless .800 deep with 1 drill.
I like the idea of tsc. But I have had a lot of trouble on older haas mills getting it to work. I have not been able to try it out on the newer ones yet. Thanks for the advice on the tip of the day mark. I have been working with cnc since the 1990. Ps thanks for the final comment on this article.
90年 我的天那，32年了
The person has defined synopsis very clearly,
Neat history in AM about coolant
I occasionally rough dry, grab a coffee, then switch on coolant for finishing. Not sure if that's enough time to really cool off, but it seems to work well enough. Sometimes need to rotate inserts anyway when dealing with tough materials.
I have been using more and more trough spindle air, but TSC is a must.
Absolutely 100% non-negotiable when drilling out stainless steels in a productive manner. I've programmed and ran parts in a lathe where I've had to drill 5.0" deep in 304 stainless with a 0.403" size drill. Cutting with a cobalt steel bit took around 25 minutes per part, but with the thru-coolant carbide tip drill, the cycle time dropped to 7 minutes when taking into account all the other tools. That wasn't even with high pressure coolant either. Just some old beat up SL-30 from 05'. Put on a fresh insert, turn on the tool overload alarm to about 15% higher than what the spindle load readout is saying, hit cycle start, and get paid.
LOL! when I saw you running that tap with the coolant going through the collet, I thought to myself... I haven't done exactly that, but I have run drills like that, and it does still clear the chips. I thought I was doing the wrong thing. Also, through coolant drills are really really nice.
That soda joke at the end 😁
That’s wasn’t a joke. It was just stating historical facts
I love TSC, but have found that it can warp hole sizes on some cast aluminum parts. The pressure from the TSC would be enough to cause the chips when evacuating the hole to rub the sides of the hole on their way out causing the hole to expand causing my hole to come out over sized. I was using a .204 TSC carb drill and my hole would come out around .214, but when I’d turn the TSC off and just run flood coolant the hole would stay true to size. Otherwise I use TSC whenever possible.
Do you think adding that TSC affected the drills runout? Was the TSC pressure too high?
@@Big_Friendly it might have, it’s hard to say. What for sure caused the hole to be oversized. I could see noticeable scratch marks in the hole after the TSC, but when I used the same drill same holder and everything just without the TSC my hole came out perfect. What is your guess? I just figured the material was so soft that the pressure caused more material to come off. It is a 1000psi system.
@@brianropel that sounds pretty high for aluminum. I run steel and have about 700 PSI.
Can you please to a Tip of the Day on the ATM page? Seems like a forgotten feature that I always use to prevent my tools from breaking and calling up backups. What I want to know is if there is a macro to automatically write in the Tool Load limits for each tool.
Can we get a video about tension compression tapping chucks?...or if there is one could someone drop a link?
Thats a good topic. If your Haas machine has rigid tapping, I'd skip the floating tap holder and focus more on your coolant concentration and the type and quality of the tap you are using. In the 1990s, we used a lot of compression tap-holders, as many of the machines didn't have the Rigid Tapping option. Today, all Haas machines will come standard with Rigid Tapping, so there real is no reason to use a spring-loaded floating tap holder any longer. On older machines without Rigid Tapping, we could run into trouble if trying to use floating holders with Form/Roll Taps, unless we really play with things to get our application working, they have a hard time starting until fully compressed, which can make our thread depth vary. Today, we may occasionally still use a floating tap holder, like the ones made by Emuge, but these are just adjusting for small axial/radial runout, to prolong tap life on long running production jobs.
Sir teach wire cut and spark EDM
I used TSC with my 1/2” KOR5 end mill with the hole for it. Makes a huge mess. It did bite me one day. It threw chips up into the tool change mechanism and a chip stuck to the grease in front of the prox switch. Took me over 1/2 a day to take all the covers off to find the problem. 5 seconds to clear the chip. I like TSC a lot but the covers around the tool change need to be better.
show us TSC infrastructure, the spindle, the tool holder, compressor, plumbing
Check out 07:29 where we show the components in the TSC system. For more information on the plumbing of TSC, take a look at th-cam.com/video/RL0zWuuywzA/w-d-xo.html , and if you are really wanting to see the nuts and bolts of the TSC system, you can look at this TSC Troubleshooting guide: www.haascnc.com/service/troubleshooting-and-how-to/troubleshooting/tsc-300-1k---troubleshooting-guide.html
之前用枪钻，内冷是真的厉害👍
但是在中国 小公司很少会使用内冷的，因为这意味更高的成本
用sus钻头或者硬质合金的，还是因为中国的加工单价，除非接政府的单子，做外贸有时都转过好几手了，No money.
It is all clever and in right way explained by intellectual real expert. Thank you in great deal. But before to make excess to machine of high cost it is need to be training by using interface by some simulation software by hundred times . Where it is? I think HAAS lose customers by this vacuum of lack of training software for free. (If you have some advise please give it)Without it I feel doubt
even I inspect you perfect material of teaching hundreds times.
My only gripe with TSC is getting coolant on the tool holder shank and in the spindle taper, typically after a job that runs tsc we'll take all the tools out wipe them down, wipe the spindle taper, and reload.
I almost forgot, haas tapers stick like crazy, to the amount of the arm not being able to pull out the tool… otherwise i really love tsc, carbide drills kick ass in stainless, and the chip evac is supreme with high feed mills…
What about the wear of the rotary coupling seal?
Our EC-400 started leaking after a few months.
Can it affect the spindle bearings?
aaahh... ill buy one , one day 😀
Is there a reason why we wouldn't run all tools with TSC if available? Right now we are working a job and we are using a TSC drilling operation but then when we switch to tapping it's back to standard coolant delivery. I haven't asked the programmer yet why this is the case. I'm assuming it's a cost decision? Also, do the orifices in TSC tooling have an effect on tool strength?
@markterryberry4477 Hey Mark, I’ve reached out to my local HFO but can’t get any responses from anyone about this. I have a 2021 VF-2YT. I bought it used, seller said it was TSC Ready, but once I got it and ran the serial it didn’t actually. It does however have a hollow spindle motor shaft and drawbar. I’ve been able to blow air thru the spindle. I don’t currently have any need for TSC but I do absolutely have a need for thru spindle air. I removed the push to connect fitting up top and blasted air thru the spindle but when I put the tool in the spindle (have verified the tool functions correctly on the bench) the air leaks out somewhere between the taper and the air purge fitting up top. Is there something specifically different between a TSC Ready spindle and a non TSC Ready spindle as far as seals/etc goes? I don’t need the tool to spin while air is running thru but I do need to be able to rotate it with an M19 Rx value in the program. Any help in this would be GREATLY appreciated.
can TSC be install on a haas TM machines or a mini mill
New from the factory, TSC can be installed on Mini Mills. It is not an option on TM Toolroom Mills. The TSC option is not field-installable on any Haas machine unless it has gotten the TSC Ready Option from the factory, when built. So if you are thinking you might want TSC in the future, be sure to order TSC, or the TSC Ready Option, when the machine is first built. Check out the Build-and-Price feature that allows you to see what options are available on each machine, right from our website. www.haascnc.com
Question for the group: I have a smaller drill I am using to pilot #6-32 tapped features using TSC. When using that drill the pressure in the TSC line gets to ~1150psi. Other tools that I use TSC with are larger tools and the psi stays well below the 1k rating. I changed out the collet on the pilot drill to a non-sealed/standard collet to try and reduce the pressure. So finally the question, is the pressure surpassing the 1k psi mark, to a max value of 1150 psi, going to damage the TSC lines in the machine?
That high 1,150psi pressure is perfect for that small drill, and the system is designed to handle this just fine. 03:39 . For more information on the pressure vs volume of our TSC, check out this other great video we have on TSC th-cam.com/video/RL0zWuuywzA/w-d-xo.html
@@markterryberry4477 Thank you Mark!
I have CTS on my Leadwell machine, but problem is i use mostly plastics especially derlin, it break down to microplastics and fill up in filter like almost every time when i use CTS. Machine alarm pop up say CTS is dirty. Any tip to resolve the problem?
I'm not sure on your exact machine. On our Haas machines I would be recommending our Chip Tray Filter Kits that pre-screen the coolant as it goes into the tank, and then I'd be looking into our Auxiliary Coolant Filter which really helps us keep those fine chips out of our coolant. Depending on the material we are cutting I might play around with the filter bag material as well, with plastics having a too-fine (too low of a micron filter bag) filter will cause us to clog up quickly. For roughing, try and keep those feed rates up on the plastics as well, giving us bigger chips.
Thanks Mark, i will look at chip tray filter kits.
Is it better for TSC to be aimed at the cutting edge or leading the cutting edge. Most mill tools. It leads. On lathe tooling it is at the cutting edge. Why the difference?
With some tools, the high pressure coolant can help with our chip breakage. This is especially important on lathes where we are trying to avoid long stringy chips. On mills, we won't get those long stringy chips because of the interrupted cuts. This is one of the reasons manufactures have different 'targets' for their TSC. Lots of coolant, on the tools cutting edges is a always a good thing.
@@markterryberry4477 cool. I figured that was the reason. Just wanted to double check. I have four CNC’s (Haas SL20, TL3, Fadal VMC20, Fadal 4020), the sl20 great job of coolant delivery. The others, not so much. I can see, from someone who have never used TSC, where it should be better (a lot). I know on a lathe. Most of it is single point tools. On a VMC usually it’s 3,4,5 insert tools. So is their thoughts just get some form of cooling and lubrication there? Or is there some bigger issue they are trying to deal with?
Mark Terryberry when would TAB be better to use than TSC?
Help. How i can to turn off tsc while running to check the tool or the part in the middle of the program.
Why is there no tsc button.
The AUX coolant button is the TSC button for us. On a mill, we only allow the TSC to be turned On or Off while the spindle is stopped. This has to do with the way the coolant sealant discs in the spindle operate.
@@markterryberry4477 thank you. It's important for me to check the drill bit when i do a long drilling cycle on a stainless or hardened steel parts. Some time i like to check it in the middle of the hole
@@MosabAyyad it might be something to do with your haas controller. my umc750 with the older controller cannot turn off the TSC while running at the middle of the program too. And my 1 year old umc500 allows me to turn on and off the TSC while the program is running.
On my Okuma, it's the "Oil Hole" button.
@@harryho9097 @mo3ab I believe you have to press FEED HOLD, stop the spindle, and then press the [AUX CLNT] key to stop the TSC while running a program. Then, press [AUX CLNT] again to restart the TSC and then start your spindle.
Would you run tsc with a standard hss drill in an er collet? I’ve done it with luck here and there but I feel like I’m shoving chips back into the hole
It’s great for keeping the coolant on the drill, especially in a pocket, we will still need to peck the drill unless it is a real through-tool-coolant drill though. No TSC = pecking. Only a TSC drill will force the chips out without pecking.
@@markterryberry4477 great work
Hi Mark - Long time fan. As an owner of a new UMC750 with HSK and TSC 1,000PSI, I am a bit underwhelmed by the TSC. I drill a lot of 10-32 architecture and I have yet to find a reliable sealed collet from any supplier that fits a .201 #7 drill... Neither Haas nor Maritool nor anyone else has one Also, I have pneumatic drill chucks that are TSC compatible there is no way to get a good seal such that the coolant goes through the drill and not every where else with just a little bit going to the tip. Primarily due to the architecture of the edge of the Haas TSC drills at the butt end. Any advice on these topics would be great!
Hi Chris. Shoot us an email at tod@haascnc.com and we’ll work through it together.
One option would be a 1/4” shank #7 drill.
I have all of my drills in Rego-Fix ER chucks. For TSC tools, I use thier ERC collet nut and a sealing disk appropriately sized for the shank. Rego-Fix has a few videos on their channel describing the system, hasn't let me down yet.
This guy looks so much like Michael Smerconish on CNN
Moneal/ inconiel,1000psi
TSC, welcome to the 90s.
"no machinist is gonna say no to tsc.."
... I've met one or two...
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The Haas MQL auto air gun super sucks. I can’t believe how much it cost and how crappy it is. I really hate it. You definitely can’t leave it unattended.