@@EbonFang_92 uhm, i am not accusing anyone of stealing an idea, just pointing out a similar theme and concept. 😊 but mandalorian lore streches way back to 1980's i believe. from the comic books and such. 😄
So for those wondering the other Duaradin gods we know are active are Gazul Warden of the Halls of the Ancestors, Morgrim who has been hinted to be among the Kharadron, and Hashut the Dread Father of the Chaos Duardin. There are hints at others but those 3 are the ones that GW has been very upfront about. Valaya is still dead and eaten by Nagash. Though even still she has a large influence due to Grungni keeping her teachings and memory alive.
I love the Fyreslayers. It bums me out how much they get crapped on so much when they have such and interesting story and Lore. So much cool potential for fun stuff story and model wise. All of thier short story stuff and when they show up places is cool. I know a lot of people hate that they are not old world slayers but I feel like they are such a good AOS high fantasy take on that idea and the breaking of Grimnir is such an interesting story device.
lol the missing god trope is so common in AoS. it features in fyreslayers (grimnir), hedonites (slaanesh), kharadron and dispossessed (grungni), idoneth (mathlaan) and daughters of khaine (khaine)
Well slaanesh has been reborn, grimnir is still around hes just in a million bits, Grungni is very much around he recently shoo'ed off Belakor - although i will admit i dont know about the other two.....I am under the impression that Morathi is basically Khaine now.
I’ll push back on this a bit: I think there’s a difference between a missing god and a shattered/defeated one, especially to a martial culture like the FS. Slaanesh has functionally broken out, the KO aren’t missing Grugni, they actively don’t want him, mathlaan isn’t a god in the same way in AOS and khaine is a lie
@@2Tough The Idoneth worship Mathlaan specifically *because* he's dead. A dead god can't decide you're a mistake and attempt to genocide you, a living God, teclis, can
Daughers thought they had Khaine but just needed to bring him back to life. The Idoneth completely understand that Mathlaan is dead and just venerate his memory. The Dispossessed still have Grungni as he still hands out blessings and some aid to his followers be they Duardin, Human, Aelves, or even Ogor. And yes, Kharadron reject Grungni (as a whole though they still have some that worship him) but he still helps them from the shadows.
Its Valaya. She's essentially the ancestor goddess and wife to both Grungni and Grimnir who gave the knowledge of runecrafting to the dwarfen people. I will never call them duardin because it sounds stupid. She's known as the dwarfen goddess of wisdom and is known as the sleeping deity. She is the closest thing that the dwarf has to Isha in terms of a compassionate deity where she is all about the gentler side of dwarfs aside from oaths and grudges that focuses on healing and moderation. I was of the impression that she was killed.
Runecrafting was actually taught to the Dwarfs by Thungni, who is the son of Grungni and Valaya. IIRC Valaya taught them the laws of their civillization.
She chained the gods to the mountain. She is now deity to the chaos dwarfs after being frustrated with the way men run things. This is why grungni and grimmnir wont talk about it. Edit: Just a crazy theory sry
@@oathstoned3414 ...Seriously? If thats true... Ok that upsets me to no end. It should have been Hashut and should always be Hashut. Not Valaya. This grudge is going in the book.
Valaya is our goddess of hearth and home. Aspects of duardin life which are as abscent as the maker god. Nothing but faithless capatalists, honorless merscenaries, and toymakers for the godking left in the realms. A while ago someone gave me a theory that Valaya is now leading the Chaos Dwarfs after getting frustrated with the other gods and chaining them to a mountain. So that lore bit about a schism in the dwarf pantheon is super interesting
@@adambielen8996 Nagash has been struck down enough times for her to escape. If Sigvald soul survived just floating the aether for eons, they can bring any1 back. It should have been Duardin lore from day one to avenge Valaya by killing Nagash, everytime he comes back.
All the expectation about a dwarf soup battetome (orruk warclans stile) had to do with that secret. Specially with broken reamls belakor. In the end Grungni is showing up and the runefather Drongon just rescued decides to shout out to the whole tavern the truth about ur-gold. The Kharadron Overlords present starts respecting fyreslayers more now that they understand why would they be so fixated on Gold.
Supporting you, the wife the channel, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAT! Hope they are great. I recently picked up Maggotkin and have been loving all their Lore videos, was there a chance you were going to go back and do the Maggotkin Path to Glory?
After you talk about the lore of the army will you talk about them from the tabletop perspective because I’m new to AOS and would want to get into the army. Keep up the great videos
Things is, its bad news all over again for Gotrek Gurrnison because supposedly the master rune in his chest is slowly transforming him into Grimnir 2.0 It's possible because in a sense Grimnir has returned through Gotrek as their god reborn in new flesh and he is not a happy slayer. Gotrek would sooner strike down Grimnir if he ever returned.
@@endwarAH80blackfoot from what I can tell is that because Grimnir is the god of Aqshy he can't properly die (and he does want to die). So he is trying to pour his power into Gotrek until he hits that point where Aqshy recognizes Gotrek as its god instead and Grimnir can finally die.
There's a race of undersea squid dwarf mermaids called the Valay in Ghyran that are named after Valaya, dwarf goddess of hearth and home from WFB, who I think is the one you were referencing?
can you do a tangential video on gotrek gurnisson and how he got his axe? how it relates to grimnir, maybe not the full story because its a lot and spoilers but just a summary of the origins?
hello friends, I was doing some research in the previous core rulebook for worldbuilding purposes and I was hoping someone could answer my question: What were the other gods doing before sigmar discovered them? From the text's description, dracothion found sigmar clinging to the husk of the old world and led him to the mortal realms... but then he just sort of walked around and started finding ppl? Did ppl like nagash and grimnir and gork/mork just sort of--materialize--with the realms?
Yeah amusingly i think that is roughly it, when the old world exploded the magic inside released and then coalesced - so i think a number of these gods and mortals were already "inside the magic bubbles" so to speak and the new weird world materialized around them.
Can anybody explain me WHY Daughters of Khaine are in Order Aliance?Their actions and style is chaotic.Morathi is dealing with deamons and technically she also deamon princess.Why this faction in Order.It makes no sense.
I don’t know why but I can never get into any fantasies settings version of dwarves except for elder scrolls. I look at the models and I think that they’re cool models and it’s an interesting range although limited but I just can’t get into the lore of the fire Slayers just like I can’t get into the lore of the overlords. I might be too much of an elf
The thing that sadly makes me despise the Fyreslayers (when the originals all were a cult of badasses) no matter their lore, is precisely that they take contracts from Chaos. The would be in for a veeery rude awakening to know that if Grimnir had his physical form, he would slaughter the fyreslayers towards extinction knowing that they traded with Chaos. And Grimnir has grudges aplenty with them. No ifs and or buts.
@@theDackjanielz While I am not sure if its considered outdated lore, but as according to Realmslayer, while Brodur of Clan Umbak tried to spin it as honorable and spiritual, he did not deny about taking contracts from Chaos and by that logic train the ruinous powers, undead, skaven, ogres and greenskins. Worse still, it remains a possibile implication that his clan might have actually did done contracts for Chaos. Ergo accepting the 'oath' of Ur Gold contracts from whoever pays them. To be fair, mayhaps some clans do hold vitriolic contempt for Chaos proper much like Grimnir as they should, but it remains disturbing by the implications that it is considered proper to take oath contracts from the ruinous powers.
@@endwarAH80blackfoot I believe Vostarg have a genuine hatred towards chaos and will only ever work for order if i remember correctly. EDIT: i just looked it up in my second edition tome and it quotes "Most lodges have a number of caveats qualms or stipulations regarding the acceptance of certain mecenary jobs - The Greyfyrd however do not." It even goes to mention how the "Battlesmiths of Greyfyrd do not speak of the lodges troubled heritage, the dark secrets of its founders or the dubious deeds of their kin.".....If i didn't know better id say that was a direct hint towards a Chaos dwarf bloodline.....Awesome :D
I actually think the greyness of their morale is what makes them interesting. Makes for more relatable stories of personal ambition, failure and glory 🙂
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Quasi-religious mercenaries that have a special metal They hold above all else. They are the Mandalorians of Age of sigmar. 😁
Weapons are also their religion, makes sense ;)
Touché
Since Mando came out way after these guys, you could say that the Mandalorians are the Fyreslayers of Star Wars
@@EbonFang_92 uhm, i am not accusing anyone of stealing an idea, just pointing out a similar theme and concept. 😊 but mandalorian lore streches way back to 1980's i believe. from the comic books and such. 😄
this is the way
So for those wondering the other Duaradin gods we know are active are Gazul Warden of the Halls of the Ancestors, Morgrim who has been hinted to be among the Kharadron, and Hashut the Dread Father of the Chaos Duardin. There are hints at others but those 3 are the ones that GW has been very upfront about.
Valaya is still dead and eaten by Nagash. Though even still she has a large influence due to Grungni keeping her teachings and memory alive.
this is awesome, thank you so much!
I love the Fyreslayers. It bums me out how much they get crapped on so much when they have such and interesting story and Lore. So much cool potential for fun stuff story and model wise. All of thier short story stuff and when they show up places is cool. I know a lot of people hate that they are not old world slayers but I feel like they are such a good AOS high fantasy take on that idea and the breaking of Grimnir is such an interesting story device.
lol the missing god trope is so common in AoS. it features in fyreslayers (grimnir), hedonites (slaanesh), kharadron and dispossessed (grungni), idoneth (mathlaan) and daughters of khaine (khaine)
Well slaanesh has been reborn, grimnir is still around hes just in a million bits, Grungni is very much around he recently shoo'ed off Belakor - although i will admit i dont know about the other two.....I am under the impression that Morathi is basically Khaine now.
I’ll push back on this a bit:
I think there’s a difference between a missing god and a shattered/defeated one, especially to a martial culture like the FS.
Slaanesh has functionally broken out, the KO aren’t missing Grugni, they actively don’t want him, mathlaan isn’t a god in the same way in AOS and khaine is a lie
@@2Tough The Idoneth worship Mathlaan specifically *because* he's dead. A dead god can't decide you're a mistake and attempt to genocide you, a living God, teclis, can
Daughers thought they had Khaine but just needed to bring him back to life. The Idoneth completely understand that Mathlaan is dead and just venerate his memory. The Dispossessed still have Grungni as he still hands out blessings and some aid to his followers be they Duardin, Human, Aelves, or even Ogor. And yes, Kharadron reject Grungni (as a whole though they still have some that worship him) but he still helps them from the shadows.
Its Valaya. She's essentially the ancestor goddess and wife to both Grungni and Grimnir who gave the knowledge of runecrafting to the dwarfen people.
I will never call them duardin because it sounds stupid.
She's known as the dwarfen goddess of wisdom and is known as the sleeping deity. She is the closest thing that the dwarf has to Isha in terms of a compassionate deity where she is all about the gentler side of dwarfs aside from oaths and grudges that focuses on healing and moderation.
I was of the impression that she was killed.
She was absorbed by Nagash right?
@@thomaswallace7577 I think Nagash only targetted the other gods of the dead like Mor.
Runecrafting was actually taught to the Dwarfs by Thungni, who is the son of Grungni and Valaya. IIRC Valaya taught them the laws of their civillization.
She chained the gods to the mountain. She is now deity to the chaos dwarfs after being frustrated with the way men run things. This is why grungni and grimmnir wont talk about it.
Edit: Just a crazy theory sry
@@oathstoned3414 ...Seriously? If thats true...
Ok that upsets me to no end. It should have been Hashut and should always be Hashut. Not Valaya.
This grudge is going in the book.
I love how he went all FALCON HEADBUTT!!! On Natsu's dad
I had no idea about the other dwarven god's, would be interested to know more about them!
Grungni and Gazul are active and Morgrim has been mentioned in the Kharadron Battletome.
Valaya is our goddess of hearth and home. Aspects of duardin life which are as abscent as the maker god. Nothing but faithless capatalists, honorless merscenaries, and toymakers for the godking left in the realms.
A while ago someone gave me a theory that Valaya is now leading the Chaos Dwarfs after getting frustrated with the other gods and chaining them to a mountain. So that lore bit about a schism in the dwarf pantheon is super interesting
Well she got eaten by Nagash. So that is impossible.
@@adambielen8996 Nagash has been struck down enough times for her to escape. If Sigvald soul survived just floating the aether for eons, they can bring any1 back.
It should have been Duardin lore from day one to avenge Valaya by killing Nagash, everytime he comes back.
Love that you are revisiting Fyreslayers! Will you be adding some lore about Gotrek as well since he is so closely to the Fyreslayers?
Thanks for making this series. Just bought this army, looking forward to listen to next episode while painting it up.
Full lore remake !!! So pumped for this doug !!!
absolutely love me some fyreslayers
Ur- gold is such a good narrative thing to drive a story
i really wish they would make that dragon/dwarf statue on the left as a monster unit on the table - people would buy that.
FYRESLAYERS!!!!!!
Is there some Gotrek Lore in the book?
I'm still torn (as always) on if I should buy it or not xD
All the expectation about a dwarf soup battetome (orruk warclans stile) had to do with that secret. Specially with broken reamls belakor. In the end Grungni is showing up and the runefather Drongon just rescued decides to shout out to the whole tavern the truth about ur-gold. The Kharadron Overlords present starts respecting fyreslayers more now that they understand why would they be so fixated on Gold.
Supporting you, the wife the channel,
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAT!
Hope they are great. I recently picked up Maggotkin and have been loving all their Lore videos, was there a chance you were going to go back and do the Maggotkin Path to Glory?
After you talk about the lore of the army will you talk about them from the tabletop perspective because I’m new to AOS and would want to get into the army. Keep up the great videos
Hey matt, welcome! I certainly can for you :)
Oh mama I know what I´m going to listen to going to work.
Do you ever wonder if, given enough Ur Gold, Grungni could reforge his brother?
Things is, its bad news all over again for Gotrek Gurrnison because supposedly the master rune in his chest is slowly transforming him into Grimnir 2.0
It's possible because in a sense Grimnir has returned through Gotrek as their god reborn in new flesh and he is not a happy slayer. Gotrek would sooner strike down Grimnir if he ever returned.
@@endwarAH80blackfoot from what I can tell is that because Grimnir is the god of Aqshy he can't properly die (and he does want to die). So he is trying to pour his power into Gotrek until he hits that point where Aqshy recognizes Gotrek as its god instead and Grimnir can finally die.
There's a race of undersea squid dwarf mermaids called the Valay in Ghyran that are named after Valaya, dwarf goddess of hearth and home from WFB, who I think is the one you were referencing?
wow that's curious indeed lol - Dis lore be crazy :D
Yay more lore!
So that's why they were found chained to the mountain
can you do a tangential video on gotrek gurnisson and how he got his axe? how it relates to grimnir, maybe not the full story because its a lot and spoilers but just a summary of the origins?
hello friends, I was doing some research in the previous core rulebook for worldbuilding purposes and I was hoping someone could answer my question:
What were the other gods doing before sigmar discovered them?
From the text's description, dracothion found sigmar clinging to the husk of the old world and led him to the mortal realms... but then he just sort of walked around and started finding ppl?
Did ppl like nagash and grimnir and gork/mork just sort of--materialize--with the realms?
Yeah amusingly i think that is roughly it, when the old world exploded the magic inside released and then coalesced - so i think a number of these gods and mortals were already "inside the magic bubbles" so to speak and the new weird world materialized around them.
It's not Virya, it's Valaya, dwarfen goddess of hearth and home wife to grungni.
Can anybody explain me WHY Daughters of Khaine are in Order Aliance?Their actions and style is chaotic.Morathi is dealing with deamons and technically she also deamon princess.Why this faction in Order.It makes no sense.
I don’t know why but I can never get into any fantasies settings version of dwarves except for elder scrolls.
I look at the models and I think that they’re cool models and it’s an interesting range although limited but I just can’t get into the lore of the fire Slayers just like I can’t get into the lore of the overlords. I might be too much of an elf
(confused dweghom noises)
Torphy River
I wakely remember about naked dwarf who cover his pp with his beard , am I mistake? Or is he exist?
The thing that sadly makes me despise the Fyreslayers (when the originals all were a cult of badasses) no matter their lore, is precisely that they take contracts from Chaos.
The would be in for a veeery rude awakening to know that if Grimnir had his physical form, he would slaughter the fyreslayers towards extinction knowing that they traded with Chaos. And Grimnir has grudges aplenty with them.
No ifs and or buts.
I think its only Greyfyrd who do that, alot of them tend to be singular mercenaries who work alone so.
@@theDackjanielz While I am not sure if its considered outdated lore, but as according to Realmslayer, while Brodur of Clan Umbak tried to spin it as honorable and spiritual, he did not deny about taking contracts from Chaos and by that logic train the ruinous powers, undead, skaven, ogres and greenskins.
Worse still, it remains a possibile implication that his clan might have actually did done contracts for Chaos.
Ergo accepting the 'oath' of Ur Gold contracts from whoever pays them. To be fair, mayhaps some clans do hold vitriolic contempt for Chaos proper much like Grimnir as they should, but it remains disturbing by the implications that it is considered proper to take oath contracts from the ruinous powers.
@@endwarAH80blackfoot I believe Vostarg have a genuine hatred towards chaos and will only ever work for order if i remember correctly.
EDIT: i just looked it up in my second edition tome and it quotes "Most lodges have a number of caveats qualms or stipulations regarding the acceptance of certain mecenary jobs - The Greyfyrd however do not."
It even goes to mention how the "Battlesmiths of Greyfyrd do not speak of the lodges troubled heritage, the dark secrets of its founders or the dubious deeds of their kin.".....If i didn't know better id say that was a direct hint towards a Chaos dwarf bloodline.....Awesome :D
@@theDackjanielz Ahhh thats actually a huge relief.
I actually think the greyness of their morale is what makes them interesting. Makes for more relatable stories of personal ambition, failure and glory 🙂
Amazing lore....amazing lack of model.
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