Nothing is more irritating than people complaining about mpg of the 2nd gen when they come with a 4.30 rear end. "Let's spend $20-30k more on a new Tundra to save $500/year on gas...."
You Sir are very correct people just can't do math. Not only gas but future repairs to turbos, intercoolers, and all that new untested technology. I'll just stick with the 14 year old one that everything works and will for years.
I just purchased a 21 trd pro beginning of October could not be happier plan on keeping at least 10 years or more I just believe the v8 will be more reliable in the long run
I went with a 2021 Toyota tundra platinum. It was used 35,000 miles. It already had a clear bra, bed liner, tri fold bed cover, air bags with compressor, genuine transmission cooler, and middle console gun safe. I have owned Chevy, ford, and drive ram daily for work. All those three don’t feel as well built as the 5.7 iforce. Just my opinion. Gas mileage sucks in the 5.7 iforce but you won’t have to pay a mechanic. Everyone forgets, if your truck breaks down, time is money, money is time. Mechanics can charge whatever they want… I complained one time about a mechanic charging too much and he said “ok, that’s fine I’ll just keep your truck…” moral of the story, I would rather pay more at the pump then be at the mercy of crooked mechanics.
I would like to hear a real life review of love and issues (water pump, fuel pump, cam tower leak blah blah blah), and how owners deal with those while still drive the truck for 500k miles
I absolutely love my 2017 SR5 5.7L Tundra. I cant imagine a V6 twin turbo lasting million miles without major issues. BTW I see there are 5 Tundras with over a million miles and one has one million twenty thousand miles with original engine and transmission and no work done to either
Bought my 08 5.7 new and the only issues I have paid for is the age and sun related exterior rubber. Last year I replaced the rubber side window wiper/seals and the rubber antenna bezel. Less than $100 and easy to DIY. It' has a thick white with no clear coat paint job so the annual good wash and wax keeps bringing it back to looking new. Back about when your video was posted I thought seriously of replacing for the same reasons you give and passed. The only problem in the future that would be an equal replacement is no longer available now if it got into a major accident. I am wary of used gen 2 as most people who swap trucks every few years don't take as good of care with their Tundras as I do.
i don't think we have to worry about resale values coming down anytime soon on anything, its a sellers mkt for sure so i'm sticking with my current vehicle til who knows when.
I’m keeping my 2019 Tundra 1794 till the wheels fall off. With proper consistent maintenance, it’s known to last a million miles or more. 3rd Gen will Never see that.
I agree with the design part, but the 22 Tundra's looks has definitely grown on me a lot now; the 3rd gen TRD Pro trim looks badass IMO. I like that 2nd gen offers V8 that's proven and tested. Its exhaust sound is hard to beat as well. However, the 2nd gen's gas mileage is awful... I know they're reliable but 14 mi per gallon is just abysmal by today's standards. I wish Toyota had updated features and comfort in the 2nd gen Tundras and the 5.7-liter V8 had better fuel economy. I'm aware you don't buy full-size pick-ups for MPG. But all other trucks get far better fuel economy than the 2nd gen.
Currently trying to find a second gen tundra to trade my 4Runner for. The dealers keep trying to put me in a third gen. Not budging at all. I want a V8, not an iffy turbo V6.
I agree w/everything u mentioned. I too love the looks of my 2nd gen over the 3rd. I hate the front, rear & side looks of the 3rd gen, don’t think it will ever grow on me. I hear mpg isn’t that much better on the 3rd gen either so I hope u decided to keep ur 2nd gen tundra
Interesting to see so much confusion about the difference between a facelift and a generation change. Solid video, Love the 2nd gen and would probably go for one due to price point. Saving money on fuel is nice but you’re lying to yourself if you think its making up for an extra 25-30k price difference any time soon lol. Points for the new generation is the platform. Sharing underpinnings with the land cruiser should make for a more well rounded vehicle despite potential issues with new tech and growing pains from a new formula. I recall working at toyota in 2015 and people being bent about the new tacoma and its handful of issues during that generation change and now they’re pretty sorted out.
I owned an 07 and it jumped, in any gear, when barely tapping the throttle. From what I’ve heard the 07-13 had the more aggressive throttle bodies and that sharp acceleration was tamed from 14 on. Hope that helps.
I do own a 2007 and a 2021 Tundra so, I have to disagree with your statement "improvement over the years". The 2021 does look better that the 2007. However, my 2007 SR5 has more convenient and functional features than my Limited 2021. I had to spend an extra $1000 to install an external transmission cooler, which was standard in my 2007. Unfortunately couldn't wait for the new Tundra, needed another truck so, I bought the 2021. I be looking forward to your reviews on the 2021 since I might get one in a couple of years
You have made very good points, but for me: (i) the 2nd gen Tundra is one of the most beautiful half-ton pickups, whereas the 3rd gen is one of the ugliest half-ton trucks; (ii) the 3rd gen will definitely need larger tires as the ones it comes with look ridiculously small. For the 2nd gen, you do not necessarily need to go higher sizes, although it will look even cooler if you do. (iii) You already said it, the price on the 3rd gen is on average 20% higher, which makes the 3rd gen truck not competitive at all compared with the big 3, they are reaching the Raptor territory. (iv) Have you seen the empty buttons/missing button places on both side of the steering wheel? Which reminds you that you have bought a lower trim truck. I have a 2nd gen Limited, which is the mid-range trim, and I do not see a single empty button/missing button. (v) Goodbye Toyota reliability, it will not be there for many years for the 3rd gen. I hope people fix the issues sooner before the 3rd gen get black listed, like no-one should ever buy the 2016 and 2017 Tacoma. One bonus point -- I simply like the simplicity of the 2nd gen truck. I wish Toyota kept making them and call them Tundra Classic like Ram did In couple years we will look for the 2nd gens like we are looking for the FJ Cruiser now.
Toyota went to a coating on the cylinder wall instead of steel sleeves(FORD went to a plasma coating and since customers have oil consumption problems.) I have a 21 tundra just received it. The 22 Check motor reviewer they said the valves are coated. I would not ever buy a 22 because of the coating. Plus the 22 is just a 3.5v6 with a 331 rear end and a kicker. Heck my other truck a 2017 frontier had 4.0. Plus if you want to tow. GET A V8 with a towing rear end
That’s 100% what I did. Sold my 3rd gen Tacoma and picked up a 2017 tundra with only 35k miles on it. From what I’ve been hearing the 3rd gen Tundra is a heap…
Can't justify buying into this new drivetrain, too much risk of "learning curve" issues - and how could twin turbos *ever* be MORE reliable? Not getting it for a daily-driver, either, so while I understand the MPG issues, it's not a deal-breaker for me. I'll take reliability and ease of repair ANY day.
If run the 22 hard and tow with it you will have great content of the oil consumption as the coating wears on the cylinders like FORDs did Cheaper build process… I have been burned twice by Toyota with bad engines 2007 and 2006.. Now you have to TRUST abut verify quality and longevity
I think you are wrong, people are waiting for upgrade after 7 years of same platform, 2nd gen will drop hard after they start selling new tundra, I'm on the market for 2nd gen and hope for the drop, but time will tell.
@@anthonygiordano3991 sure, inflation and supply chain issues right now so it is not about tundra all the cars are more expensive now, also wonder who is buying at this prices.
@@Ghost_Rider369 - True.. and it seems the higher the prices go, the higher the demand!? I’ll have to admit, I just sold my first gen Tacoma for a really good price and I’m looking at the second gen Tundras. But it’s hard to find a good deal on any of them right now and not sure how long these high prices will last. The better deals are the 2013’s and below.
Are you slow? The point of the video is that the 2nd gen was preferable over the 3rd gen. Do you just post useless and pointless comments without watching the video or even reading the title?
I’d be more concerned about the high fuel consumption and poor safety scores of the second Gen than any QDR issues with the third Gen. I’d bet by 23 or 24 MY that the 3rd Gen is more reliable than the 21.
Just wrap yourself in bubble wrap before you leave then, no one but governments and Karen's are concerned with saftey ratings in the modern day, they are already overly safe period
@@DrivenCompanion - I see what you did there.. but I don’t think the Toyota community sees it that way. I think whenever there is an update (even if only cosmetic), it’s considered the ‘next’ generation due to the different design and appearance. But, I agree with you.. everyone should avoid the newest generation Tundra. I don’t foresee it being as reliable with that turbo addition and (if you ask me) I think the design is not very appealing.
That would have been cool if you had both hand in hand testing them out side by side. Towing , around town driving , light off road, maybe a challenging hill climb over some holes to test out lockers or so. But no …… instead we have this bogus review of you just talking BS “speculating”. Oh ? New generation trucks might have some issues to work out ? Ok thanks professor. Thanks for the hot take tho . 👎
Hilarious. The 3rd gen is a huge jump from the previous. It has a proven Lexus engine amd Toyota know wjat they are doing with turbos. They dont over tune thebenginea like BMW does. This engine will last forever!
The 2022 Tundra beats this dinosaur in every single way...better fuel efficiency, better power, better ride/handling, better capability, better technology, and on and on. Toyota has been testing this new platform for over 2 years, twice as long as other brands test new models. They are very serious about launching a near perfect product. Yes, there may be a few minor issues that sneak thru, but they will resolve those things quickly in real time. I would give them 6-8 months for that and to ramp up production, but I would absolutely buy one after summer 2022.
Where it falls far behind the 2nd gen is longevity. The rollout has been uncharacteristically problematic for Toyota. I prefer the dinosaur. It does everything I need, and it will last forever. This remains to be seen for the 3rd gen.
Nothing is more irritating than people complaining about mpg of the 2nd gen when they come with a 4.30 rear end. "Let's spend $20-30k more on a new Tundra to save $500/year on gas...."
You Sir are very correct people just can't do math. Not only gas but future repairs to turbos, intercoolers, and all that new untested technology. I'll just stick with the 14 year old
one that everything works and will for years.
I just purchased a 21 trd pro beginning of October could not be happier plan on keeping at least 10 years or more I just believe the v8 will be more reliable in the long run
Congrats man! I’m looking at getting a 2021 platinum. Love the V8 in these trucks.
@@Nigel__ do it love mine couldn’t be happier also the 22s and so on will always be there last chance to own a new v8 from Toyota
What do you have against punctuation???
I went with a 2021 Toyota tundra platinum. It was used 35,000 miles. It already had a clear bra, bed liner, tri fold bed cover, air bags with compressor, genuine transmission cooler, and middle console gun safe. I have owned Chevy, ford, and drive ram daily for work. All those three don’t feel as well built as the 5.7 iforce. Just my opinion. Gas mileage sucks in the 5.7 iforce but you won’t have to pay a mechanic. Everyone forgets, if your truck breaks down, time is money, money is time. Mechanics can charge whatever they want… I complained one time about a mechanic charging too much and he said “ok, that’s fine I’ll just keep your truck…” moral of the story, I would rather pay more at the pump then be at the mercy of crooked mechanics.
I would like to hear a real life review of love and issues (water pump, fuel pump, cam tower leak blah blah blah), and how owners deal with those while still drive the truck for 500k miles
The main reason for me is… 1. 2nd Gen comes in 6 seats, 2. The cab space is waaaaaay bigger than the 3rd gen especially with car seats.
I’m confused… the video heading states “Don’t” buy the new Tundra.. then you go and buy one? 🤔..🤦🏻♂️
😂😂
I absolutely love my 2017 SR5 5.7L Tundra. I cant imagine a V6 twin turbo lasting million miles without major issues. BTW I see there are 5 Tundras with over a million miles and one has one million twenty thousand miles with original engine and transmission and no work done to either
Bought my 08 5.7 new and the only issues I have paid for is the age and sun related exterior rubber. Last year I replaced the rubber side window wiper/seals and the rubber antenna bezel. Less than $100 and easy to DIY. It' has a thick white with no clear coat paint job so the annual good wash and wax keeps bringing it back to looking new. Back about when your video was posted I thought seriously of replacing for the same reasons you give and passed. The only problem in the future that would be an equal replacement is no longer available now if it got into a major accident. I am wary of used gen 2 as most people who swap trucks every few years don't take as good of care with their Tundras as I do.
No respectable person would want a Full Size Truck with a V6... The 2022 Tundra is a GMC body powered by a Ford Ecoboost V6. No thanks
Even the Raptor has a twin turbo v6, what the heck are you talking about? 😅😂
False, the 3 gen is just better in every way. Except it doesn't have a v8.
i don't think we have to worry about resale values coming down anytime soon on anything, its a sellers mkt for sure so i'm sticking with my current vehicle til who knows when.
I’m keeping my 2019 Tundra 1794 till the wheels fall off. With proper consistent maintenance, it’s known to last a million miles or more. 3rd Gen will Never see that.
I picked one up on December 25 2022 trd sport 4x4 with 13k miles for 40k couldn’t be any happier
I agree with the design part, but the 22 Tundra's looks has definitely grown on me a lot now; the 3rd gen TRD Pro trim looks badass IMO. I like that 2nd gen offers V8 that's proven and tested. Its exhaust sound is hard to beat as well. However, the 2nd gen's gas mileage is awful... I know they're reliable but 14 mi per gallon is just abysmal by today's standards. I wish Toyota had updated features and comfort in the 2nd gen Tundras and the 5.7-liter V8 had better fuel economy. I'm aware you don't buy full-size pick-ups for MPG. But all other trucks get far better fuel economy than the 2nd gen.
Beautiful Silver Sky Platinum Current Gen you are driving there man - enjoy it while you can and then get ready for some sellers remorse…
cant imagine the markup them things gonna bring.
Currently trying to find a second gen tundra to trade my 4Runner for. The dealers keep trying to put me in a third gen. Not budging at all. I want a V8, not an iffy turbo V6.
I agree w/everything u mentioned. I too love the looks of my 2nd gen over the 3rd. I hate the front, rear & side looks of the 3rd gen, don’t think it will ever grow on me. I hear mpg isn’t that much better on the 3rd gen either so I hope u decided to keep ur 2nd gen tundra
Interesting to see so much confusion about the difference between a facelift and a generation change. Solid video, Love the 2nd gen and would probably go for one due to price point. Saving money on fuel is nice but you’re lying to yourself if you think its making up for an extra 25-30k price difference any time soon lol. Points for the new generation is the platform. Sharing underpinnings with the land cruiser should make for a more well rounded vehicle despite potential issues with new tech and growing pains from a new formula. I recall working at toyota in 2015 and people being bent about the new tacoma and its handful of issues during that generation change and now they’re pretty sorted out.
Not all Turbos fail. My 1987 Porsche Turbo still has the same Turbo since new. My Mercedes from 2013 has had no issues with its Turbo.
Turbo failure is rare if you use a good synthetic oil.
How many miles do you have on your Porsche and Mercedes? Turbos do fail if you drive enough.
@@dalephillips8250 Something else will fail first
@@user-tb7rn1il3q and if it does it won't be as serious or expensive as replacing 2 turbos
The motors blew first 😂 jk
Wow great video man speaking the truth !! 👍🏽
Great analysis. Makes me wonder why I only started watching now.
if i can get a 2008 or a 2014 within 15k of the same miles for the same price.. do i go with the 2008 or the 2014?
I owned an 07 and it jumped, in any gear, when barely tapping the throttle. From what I’ve heard the 07-13 had the more aggressive throttle bodies and that sharp acceleration was tamed from 14 on. Hope that helps.
Not sure why they got rid of the transmission cooler in 2017/2018 +... there's a video where the transmission runs over 250 at high spec...
Perfect spec u have one of my dream trucks
That's not a 2nd generation. 1st gen is 99 to 06, 2nd gen is 2007 to 2013, 3rd gen is 2014 to present
I do own a 2007 and a 2021 Tundra so, I have to disagree with your statement "improvement over the years". The 2021 does look better that the 2007. However, my 2007 SR5 has more convenient and functional features than my Limited 2021. I had to spend an extra $1000 to install an external transmission cooler, which was standard in my 2007. Unfortunately couldn't wait for the new Tundra, needed another truck so, I bought the 2021. I be looking forward to your reviews on the 2021 since I might get one in a couple of years
You have made very good points, but for me: (i) the 2nd gen Tundra is one of the most beautiful half-ton pickups, whereas the 3rd gen is one of the ugliest half-ton trucks; (ii) the 3rd gen will definitely need larger tires as the ones it comes with look ridiculously small. For the 2nd gen, you do not necessarily need to go higher sizes, although it will look even cooler if you do. (iii) You already said it, the price on the 3rd gen is on average 20% higher, which makes the 3rd gen truck not competitive at all compared with the big 3, they are reaching the Raptor territory. (iv) Have you seen the empty buttons/missing button places on both side of the steering wheel? Which reminds you that you have bought a lower trim truck. I have a 2nd gen Limited, which is the mid-range trim, and I do not see a single empty button/missing button. (v) Goodbye Toyota reliability, it will not be there for many years for the 3rd gen. I hope people fix the issues sooner before the 3rd gen get black listed, like no-one should ever buy the 2016 and 2017 Tacoma. One bonus point -- I simply like the simplicity of the 2nd gen truck. I wish Toyota kept making them and call them Tundra Classic like Ram did In couple years we will look for the 2nd gens like we are looking for the FJ Cruiser now.
They have been testing for year or more u need to watch engineer David 🙌automotive press👍😁
New tundra is fn uuuggglllyyy!
Toyota went to a coating on the cylinder wall instead of steel sleeves(FORD went to a plasma coating and since customers have oil consumption problems.) I have a 21 tundra just received it. The 22 Check motor reviewer they said the valves are coated. I would not ever buy a 22 because of the coating. Plus the 22 is just a 3.5v6 with a 331 rear end and a kicker. Heck my other truck a 2017 frontier had 4.0.
Plus if you want to tow. GET A V8 with a towing rear end
Stradman multiverse lol
That’s 100% what I did. Sold my 3rd gen Tacoma and picked up a 2017 tundra with only 35k miles on it.
From what I’ve been hearing the 3rd gen Tundra is a heap…
What do you mean by heap? 😲
Very well said
First and last time watching this channel.
Can't justify buying into this new drivetrain, too much risk of "learning curve" issues - and how could twin turbos *ever* be MORE reliable? Not getting it for a daily-driver, either, so while I understand the MPG issues, it's not a deal-breaker for me. I'll take reliability and ease of repair ANY day.
If run the 22 hard and tow with it you will have great content of the oil consumption as the coating wears on the cylinders like FORDs did
Cheaper build process… I have been burned twice by Toyota with bad engines 2007 and 2006.. Now you have to TRUST abut verify quality and longevity
I wonder what first gen owners said about the second gen when it came out
First gens are tanks too though
Great video!! So informative. Thank you
I think you are wrong, people are waiting for upgrade after 7 years of same platform, 2nd gen will drop hard after they start selling new tundra, I'm on the market for 2nd gen and hope for the drop, but time will tell.
They haven’t dropped yet dude.. in fact, seems like they are getting more expensive.
@@anthonygiordano3991 sure, inflation and supply chain issues right now so it is not about tundra all the cars are more expensive now, also wonder who is buying at this prices.
@@Ghost_Rider369 - True.. and it seems the higher the prices go, the higher the demand!? I’ll have to admit, I just sold my first gen Tacoma for a really good price and I’m looking at the second gen Tundras. But it’s hard to find a good deal on any of them right now and not sure how long these high prices will last. The better deals are the 2013’s and below.
You'll be waiting a while. I just saw a 08 Tundra SR5 4x4 with 359k miles going for $9,500. These things are tanks.
Great video but not a fan of the 3rd gen Tundra.
Are you slow? The point of the video is that the 2nd gen was preferable over the 3rd gen. Do you just post useless and pointless comments without watching the video or even reading the title?
@@narele25 lol. It’s seems that you are the slow one because my post was in agreement to his remarks. Enjoy your ride on the short bus today. ✌🏼
Idk how these people get it wrong, but this is a gen 3
Gen4 is basically city/highway than offway
Totally agree. 👍
I feel like the 2022 tundra is more in align with the rest of Toyotas line up.
Why you should buy the new Tundra, well everything. Better mpg, better gadgets, better looking and more power
Even the difference between a prius and tundra is "only" $2K a year in fuel. Tundra to tundra is negligible.
Definitely not better looking 😂new ones are unreliable with the v6 turbo
I’d be more concerned about the high fuel consumption and poor safety scores of the second Gen than any QDR issues with the third Gen. I’d bet by 23 or 24 MY that the 3rd Gen is more reliable than the 21.
Just wrap yourself in bubble wrap before you leave then, no one but governments and Karen's are concerned with saftey ratings in the modern day, they are already overly safe period
@@mblake0420 People drive full size trucks to protect their family. Most buyers want added protection.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q wrap in bubble wrap
That's such a terrible argument that I keep hearing. If your car was built ~2005 or newer it's as safe as you need it to be.
I thought 2nd gen was 2007-2013? My 2011 doesn't look like yours. Air vents are not round till 3rd gen
2nd gen was refreshed from 2014-2021 but its the same generation as 2007-2013
Isn’t the tundra technically on its 4th gen?
Yes he’s to young to remember the first generation.
@@ML-lg4ky LOL toyota themselves are considering the newest (2022 and up) the third generation, maybe you're old and demented.
Nope. 1st gen 2000-2006; 2nd gen 2007-2021 (mid-gen refresh in 2014), 3rd gen 2022+
V6 is a deal breaker plus the new one is Fugly
So you changed your channel name or wah
First Generation 2000 to 2006 second Gen 2007 to 2013 third Gen 2014 to 2021 fourth Generación 2022
Why does this guy keep calling the 3rd gen Tundra a 2nd gen? The 2nd generation Tundra was between 2007-2013.
2nd Gen Tundra was from 2007 to 2021 but saw a refresh in 2014
@@DrivenCompanion - I see what you did there.. but I don’t think the Toyota community sees it that way. I think whenever there is an update (even if only cosmetic), it’s considered the ‘next’ generation due to the different design and appearance. But, I agree with you.. everyone should avoid the newest generation Tundra. I don’t foresee it being as reliable with that turbo addition and (if you ask me) I think the design is not very appealing.
You never buy the first or second year of a new model. You also never buy the last years that’s when they learn how to make it cheaper.
Back and forth, back and forth. Stop dancing around it. The 3rd generation is a dumpster fire. 🗑 🔥
Only reason to buy the 2gen is the supercharger that’s available for the v8.
That is the ONLY reason??? It is a good thing your opinion doesn't mean anything. Thanks for showing us how useless your advice is.
New tundras look like a transformer toy. Not a fan of
Thats not a 2nd Gen. Its a 2.5 Gen
Th fuel economy on the 2nd generation was RIDICULOUS !!!...........Fuck that!
😂
2nd gen looks like a truck,3rd gen does not.
That would have been cool if you had both hand in hand testing them out side by side. Towing , around town driving , light off road, maybe a challenging hill climb over some holes to test out lockers or so. But no …… instead we have this bogus review of you just talking BS “speculating”. Oh ? New generation trucks might have some issues to work out ? Ok thanks professor. Thanks for the hot take tho . 👎
Hilarious. The 3rd gen is a huge jump from the previous. It has a proven Lexus engine amd Toyota know wjat they are doing with turbos. They dont over tune thebenginea like BMW does. This engine will last forever!
The 2022 Tundra beats this dinosaur in every single way...better fuel efficiency, better power, better ride/handling, better capability, better technology, and on and on. Toyota has been testing this new platform for over 2 years, twice as long as other brands test new models. They are very serious about launching a near perfect product. Yes, there may be a few minor issues that sneak thru, but they will resolve those things quickly in real time. I would give them 6-8 months for that and to ramp up production, but I would absolutely buy one after summer 2022.
Where it falls far behind the 2nd gen is longevity. The rollout has been uncharacteristically problematic for Toyota. I prefer the dinosaur. It does everything I need, and it will last forever. This remains to be seen for the 3rd gen.
How’d that fuel efficiency work out
@@Augustin54 Huh? You do realize that the 5.7 only got 15 mpg, on a good day, right? The new engine does far better than that.
Definitely uglier has struts in the front and coilovers in the back It's a crossover
The appetite for the current model in a few years when gas is $8.00 dollars a gallon will be zero….