Will The Batman '89 Comic Be Canon in The Flash Movie?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Michael Keaton is returning as Batman for the upcoming Flash movie. His character also returned to the world of comics awhile back. I sat down and read the Batman 89 comic series and analyzed The Flash trailer and tried to decide if the comic will be canon or not.
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Find out if I was right in our The Flash review and listen to our commentary track.
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Burton’s Batman is still my favourite live action Batman film. I’m not particularly excited about this film but it is nice to see Keaton.
, Me too, I’ve been surprised and in recent times people haven’t really liked the 89 Batman
Miller alone couldn't carry this film so Keaton is their ace in the hole .
I do REALLY hope we get a Billy Dee Williams Two-Face cameo in The Flash, maybe showing him in Arkham or something, that would make me so happy.
Billy Dee is waaaaaaay to old to be taken seriously as a villain.
@@CyborgSodaCollects Yeah I don't think that would work. But I enjoyed his cameo in the lego batman movie.
He would have done better than Huey Lewis did in Batman Forever.
@@CyborgSodaCollects keaton is too damn old to be fighting wtf you on about
He did get to be twoface in Lego Batman
My guess is that they won't actively discount the Batman '89 comic but they probably won't make any overt references either. Regardless, I'm excited to see Keaton back as the Dark Knight again.
I am too. But I bet 100% he's probably gonna die by the end. And then whatever new universe Barry goes to will have Christian Bale's batman as their batman.
I hope not. That would be predictable and lame.
@@loganthelaymancritic3250 if he does it'll be a cameo. I think James Gunn has said for the new DCU batman, they're going with a new actor.
You pretty much nailed it
I can’t believe I ever survived without this video, Tony from hack the movies is an absolute genius creator
Burnside is an actual community in gotham before this comic was made
Yes, in the 'Batgirl' comics Burnside was a safer, trendier college-town offshoot of Gotham.
Ironically the comic Burnside was a more gentrified segement of Gotham than the "black neighborhood" depicted in Sam Hamm's comic book.
The suit with gun holsters are for grappling guns. There's an interview with the costume creator for this movie that talks about that fact.
I understand he wanted to make his Batman but I think that really let's people down because people really want to see what happens next to the 89 batman
I agree. There are hundreds of other Batman comics that we could read, but we wanted to read this one because we wanted to see what happened to Keatons batman
great vid man!
Tbh I don’t mind marlon wayans as robin
Love your attitude and laugh Tony! Over fun to see your reviews of movies to! Keep giving us good content and growing sir!
Well played with mentioning how some people thought the comic didn't feel like the Tim Burton movies, while showing a panel that has 2 direct Tim Burton references in it.
Genuinely glad you actually covered this topic, I’ve been wondering about this for months. Also, Great video bro.
Great analysis
The comic has "issues"
_...pun intended?_ 🤔😏😆
I can't get my Batman Beyond Tony if they don't make him retired. I'm willing to let it slide if I get that. Also the Jokers are from that too.
Don’t you remember he had wings in returns and in the toy line they had a artic bat suit
I personally loved the comic. I didn't mind the inconsistencies since that kinda fits with the 89 universe.
That said do I think this would be canon to the upcoming flash movie? In a strange way yes.
I say that because of the conversation about the multiverse Harvey has with himself.
Very good point.
Might be if they don't give out too much details in the movie about what happened between Batman returns and Flash.
Broo. That last series of panel with Two face at the end was so confusing. I looked at it for 5 mins and just gave up.
We need more 60's smoking and drinking GUNS Batman.
"Ya, so I confronted Catwoman about those fuckin diamonds Alfred.... I walked into the bitches apartment and I just start blastin!"
Frank Reynolds as Bruce Wayne and Batman? I'd be down for that! Someone get Danny Devito!
I find the 89-ish style blue and gray suit to be interesting. It would be cool to see Keaton where that at some point, even if only briefly.
I'm definitely excited to see Michael Keaton's Batman again. As for the 89 comic, I pretty much have mixed feelings about it too. Wish it had a better ending at least, cuz it honestly felt like another bleak cliffhanger like Batman Returns had rather than the first movie's more satisfying conclusion (that's always been one of the reasons why I prefer the 89 movie over Returns). And yeah they probably should've done a better job acknowledging his past history of killing his enemies. On a side note, I just noticed the photo of Batman in the newspaper from the CW crossover is the last image of him from the 89 movie's comic adaptation. I guess that was their way of featuring Keaton's Batman without using his actual likeness.
Michael Keaton's Batman was in the canceled Batgirl film, so Batgirl did exist, but I don't know if she was Barbara Gordon or not
Well, Gordon in that one was J.K. Simmons. Which is weird.
It wasn't the Burton verse Batgirl, it was supposed to be the DCAU version
I read that the bat as it appears on the poster looked too much like an open mouth.
So they added little feet to the bat when they made the Batsuit.
I read that it was impossible at the time to secure a trademark on that bat emblem because the trademark office just saw it as the shape of a bat, not a stylised logo.
The little scallops on the underside made the emblem not just a generic bat and therefore trademarkable.
That second last suit looks like Future Batman from the 1990's toy line and or maybe it's the comic book one with Knightfall Azrael Batman armour
I read the batman 89 comic and if I had a choice between Superman 78 or Batman 89... I would choice Superman 78 of its story and plot.
However I do hope that the Batman 89 comic does not become Canon to The Flash Film I really would hate to see it be tarnish like that. That being said though I still enjoyed the Batman 89 comic cuz it really felt to me like this could have been the third film that Tim Burton could have done if it wasn't for the efforts of Channel awesome and their fans scripture of doing their version of What if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
I can't wait to see your review of Batman 89 and Batman returns Tony.
don't matter once the dc universe is rebooted.
I was wondering the same thing
I'm guessing the recent comics miniseries will NOT be canon, given how often canon is discarded these days.
At first I was excited about BATMAN '89, because I had enjoyed BATMAN '66. But the more I read, the more disappointed I became. It bothered me, of course, that so many of the most beloved characters from the Burton films (Joker, Bob, Penguin, Max Shreck) are dead, but they couldn't have brought back Vicki Vale and/or Alexander Knox? It's almost as if they actually wanted to do a "regular" Batman comic, but hook Burtonverse fans for a bait-and-switch.
The real problem, though, is - yes - with Harvey Dent's backstory. I don't think people are upset because the Burton version now has more Black characters in it. I think the uproar is more because being Black is all they are as characters. They're just there for a story about racial justice, and that's a story that doesn't belong in a continuation of the Burton films. The big social problems in those films were organized crime and political corruption. Why couldn't we have seen more of that?
This to me feels more like the Batman 1989 movie compared to Returns. Written by Sam Hamm and directed by Tim Burton. I personally feel like this is the true third-story / sequel to Batman Returns. So it is absolutely canon. I'm glad it doesn't foreshadow anything regarding The Flash, but I do hope Keaton in The Flash talks about this and what happened afterwards. I'm glad this book and The Flash ignore Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
Nice haircut, Tony 👌
Pretty sure you meant Cannón.
The Bat suit room looks more like a reference to the toy line.
These aren’t guns these are two grappling hooks the designer confirmed it
I think they are lying!
@@HackTheMovies No I don’t think he’s lying if he’s lying he would have told us + he’s the designer he made the suit so whatever he says should be true about it . The designer even said that the suit was a 1939 inspired suit and these are two grappling guns and that this suit was his first before the 1989 version
As for if I think this series is tied in with the Flash movie?
My answer to that is that it no longer matters because the DCEU is no more.
Let's just hope that James Gunn can put us back on track.
Affleck and Keaton are my two favorite actors that have portrayed Batman before Pattinson took the role, I don't care if they're the two Batman actors that have killed, to me that says more about the writing more than it says about the individual performance. I'm very excited for this flash movie although it is funny that flash himself is the least interesting thing going into this movie. I did read the comic that was reviewed in this video and I personally enjoyed it. It doesn't matter to me if it's canon or not it's just a fun read.
I really hope we get a good look at the suits in the movie.
Stand right up against the movie screen. You will get a really good look. You can smell too, but it will just smell like a movie screen. Maybe that's what the suits smell like. Who knows? Just imagine they do.
They Destroyed Earth 89 in Crisis but then Brought Back all the Universes when the Specture Brought back the Multiverse.
Boy lemme tell ya I wonder how much ezra Miller camera time is in this.. almost seems like they are using alot of Keaton distracted the viewer from Erza boy lemme tell ya boy lemme tell ya
I think you're on to something there @JBravo02
I just remembered, DC made alternate reality Earth 789 canon, a world which is shared between 78 Superman and 89 Batman. Is that now canon? Is Christopher Reeve Superman somehowe part of this alternate timeline in film?
Apparently. But in The Flash movie there's no Christopher Reeve Superman in that universe. I think is Supergirl.
@@Christian39521 I guess it's explained that Kal El died on his way to Earth or something. And then the government captures Kara.
You're lookin' great Tony!
I enjoyed all 6 issues overall. But, there were a few things about it that I think were kinda off. It does and doesn't feel like the two Burton films. I wasn't a huge fan of the ending. Idk, maybe I'm just nitpicking. Overall, it was solid.
Nice hair cut
It almost feels like if Shane Black came back to write a Lethal Weapon 3 story that followed his original scripts instead of the final films.
What if this a back door to a Batman Beyond movie at some point?
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Apparently that was the idea. But WB canceled it. Well, the people that were there before. Not James Gunn.
@@Christian39521 I would've liked to see that.
Check out my reaction to The Flash Super bowl trailer over on the clips channel th-cam.com/video/0xguhgDBSeA/w-d-xo.html
I'm not a comics gate guy, however I do understand a lot of people's frustrations with modern comics. I actually really enjoyed Batman 89 (the comic) and didn't once think it was WOOOOOOKE
I found Batman '89, or as it should be called "Sam Ham's Batman" to be okay. Just... okay.
Things I liked. I enjoyed the art style in how Bruce and Two Face are drawn and I liked the little winks and nods to the Burton Films. Also, Cat Woman was cool, and I liked how they expanded on her and Bruce's relationship. Plus, this series did keep me interested in finding out what was going to happen and how it was going to end.
Things I disliked. While I liked the idea of a black Robin, I found Drake Witson to be annoying. Yes, I know where he's coming form, but I found his sarcastic know-it-all, street punk attitude to just be obnoxious. Not helped by the way he treats Alfred.
Also, for a comic that's trying to tie into the Burton films, it really doesn't have that Tim Burton edge. Gotham and the Burmside district could fit into the Nolan-verse or animated series, and it would fit right in. In fact, some of the character designs such as Commissioner Gordon and Two-Face resemble their BTAS counterparts which stood out to me.
I also found it perplexing that it was trying to have a social edge when by all accounts, Tim Burton's films where more or less focused on the isolation Burce felt in his life as Batman. Maybe it's just me, but I feel that characters like the Miles Moreles Spider-Man, Black Panther, or more directly DC's Static Shock due a better job at addressing racial issues because they've actually lived them in one way or another. Batman to me, just doesn't fit because his problems are more internal and is a character mostly known for being cut off from very one, even when working with sidekicks.
Also, I just didn't like the Billy Dee Willaims version of Two-Face.
Again, I'm not opposed to a black Two-Face, I'm against having him be unsympathetic, which he's mostly depicted as in this comic. Vilifying Bruce Wayne, dating Barbra Gordon (not against them being a couple, it's odd but at least there the same age and I can see Williams as charismatic enough to win her over) to get her father off the force and even after his transformation, it's implied that he was always been aloof in his morals.
I read 'Batman '89' and I would say I enjoyed more of it than not.
Some of what Sam Hamm was trying to do doesn't come across as clearly as I think it was intended, and I agree Catwoman is barely regarded by Hamm, which is a pity because she was one of 'Batman Returns' best elements.
This telling of Harvey's transformation into Two-Face is very interesting and in reading it you can see how much thought Hamm put into this very different interpretation.
Joe Quinones on art duties does a lot of heavy lifting here, possibly working from a script that was written in screenplay format, rather than proper comic book format. He illustrated a very handsome Batman book and I appreciate that he did it all without any guest fill-in artists. Having one consistent artistic vision throughout makes reading 'Batman '89' in one sitting a more satisfying experience.
As for whether the comic is in canon with the movies... well, the movie people have no regard for comics as a storytelling medium, so I doubt they even know this particular comic exists.
I think any connection is going to be based more on what the movies neglect to address, more than overt references to the comic. For example, Sam Hamm's vision of Robin *might* exist in the continuity visited in 'The Flash,' but only because I don't think there will be anything that directly contradicts 'Batman '89.'
One last thing, ask Kevin from Pegwarmers about the 'Batman Returns' Robin figure with the hi-top fade. The Boy Wonder looks like he saw a g-g-ghost!
Maybe the old Batman suit and car have really awful visibility and he just doesnt realize all the killing he did?
I highly doubt it. Movie executives or directors don't care or even aware of expanded universe storylines in comic books. It's gonna be completely different.
Howdy Tony Toni Tone! please bring on Crystal and also your pet cat more, would like to see your cat on the table when you review movies Michael Brando Godfather style ^_^ I actually have the original 1989 Batman movie comic that came out when the movie was released. Michael Keaton was also great in the movie Gung-Ho which you should review. Btw heads up on the movie Tetris coming out on March 30th on Apple TV the trailer dropped recently and looks quite good, can you review that when it comes out too, like to hear your perspective on it.
I don’t think they will reference the comic book. But I doubt they will discount the comic book.
Ka-Non
I sure as hell hope so! This is, in my opinion, the third BATMAN movie that Tim Burton should have directed.
He could still do the a Batman movie, it would just have to be in animated fashion. It would take place between after the events of Batman Returns and before the events of The Flash. Hell why stop with just a third movie he could do a few animated sequels. I also think he should remake his first two Batman movies but with a Nightmare Before Christmas-style animation. Maybe he can do other heroes and villains of Earth-89 (Burtonverse).
I also enjoyed but didn’t love this. I took the visual differences down to them not wanting to pay likeness rites.
Keaton the best Batman and his batsuits the best batsuits
so far i know batman 89 comic is on earth-789 according to DC Comic "dark crisis big bang". And on that earth, batman keaton from batman 89 comic and superman reeve from superman 78 comic exist on the same earth (earth-789)
What if we get a Vicki Vale & Knox cameo??? That would be pretty metal.
Knox cameo maybe, Vicki doutful.
I expect that Keaton Batman will still kill people, just as Batfleck does.
I'm hoping for at least a cameo by Michelle Pfeiffer.
The real question is this: will Halle Berry's Catwoman movie be canon? :) Her movie did reference the Returns version of Selina Kyle, after all.
An Easter egg I would really like to see in a film is a Batcave garage full of Batmobiles that includes every live action iteration.
In all honesty since there's been suggestions that 89 will get a second volume I can accept it not being canon to the Flash so that Sam Hamm doesn't need to be constrained and have to write stuff out so that it fits.
I hope not
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I Hope it's Canon but I Doubt it.
They stated very early on in production that The Fash film would only recognize the two Keaton films and nothing else. It makes sense Bruce would be a loner since they were planning on a Batman Beyond film with Keaton until Gunn squashed that along with Cavill's return.
Gunn had nothing to do with Batman Beyond being cancelled. That was the fault of the mass cancellations that WB Discovery did to save money.
Zazlov not Gunn
Wayans was shrewd enough to sign the contract before his character was booted out in the second movie.
I don't think that would count as canon.
TBH I doubt the movie will have time to get into that level of detail. I agree with other comments that say the movie probably won't actively de-canonize the comic, but also won't go out of its way to make it canon either.
13:20 on titans 4x9 and the flash movie batman 66 universe still exist, keaton batman on the flash is not exactly the same batman from Tim burton films
Can we prove Batman killed any of those guys I never saw a death certificate gravestones I think they were just severely injured LOL
Batman 89 is the best Batman movie
How dare you! Im not even in the movie.
@@HackTheMovies The Dark Knight Rises is the greatest batman movie ever made! It's even better than The Batman!!
Batman '89: Echoes
A second series was announced by DC Comics on August 17, 2023. The first issue of the new series will be released November 28, 2023. It will be penned, once again, by Sam Hamm, with art by Joe Quinones. In the series, Batman has mysteriously disappeared after Dent's death, leading Gotham citizens to take to the streets to fight in his place. Scarecrow will be featured as one of the antagonists.
I dont think its the same Batman from the 89 movie and the comic most certainly isnt canon to anything but itself. The world in the Flash looks too much like the real world and not a gothic nightmare. The Flash isnt really dimension hopping so much as he is butterfly effect time traveling, so this is going to be a world where Bruce(Affleck) died and Keaton is playing a version of the Thomas Wayne Batman, who just so happens to look like the 89 Batman
No he is going to be bruce wayne's dad who is batman in a flashpoint alternate timeline where bruce died
I don't see why it wouldn't be Canon. DC likes to make everything canon these days.
prince. prince was all over the 89 movie lol. yeah he wasnt visibly in the movie but if we are talking black influence in burton batman films he cant be over looked.
Flash isn’t canon anyway. The Batman we see in Flash isn’t the Burtonverse Batman. It’s a Burtonverse adjacent universe somewhere between the Burtonverse and the DCEUniverse.
I don't think Flash is going to be cannon to Burton at all, this is the DCEU flashpointed which has nothing to do with the 89 movie. Keaton is just dumb fan service that makes no sense
I bought the first 4 issues then several months later after they went out of print, I bought the graphic novel.
I think it’s an interesting story, I like seeing the Billy Dee Williams version of Two-Face & the Marlon Wayans Robin & seeing the “89 universe” or “Burton-verse” continued. They at least deserved to have their stories told.
But I do agree that the DC comic’s & Sam Hamm were just trying to tell his story & version of the character that Hollywood scrapped out & not figuring a way to balance & merge the style & theme from the films with elements from the comic’s source material. It’s not a terrible comic, not a great comic, but it’s fine. I’d give it 7 & a half stars rating, on a scale from 1 to 10.
As for the Flash movie, I think they may not dive to deep into this comic storyline, but it would be nice to just see a simple nod to it. Like somewhere in the batcave the Marlon Wayans Robin suit in a display case or newspaper/magazine clippings of them together or just of Robin, as well as the Billy Dee Williams Two-Face, along with Joker, Catwoman, the Penguin & maybe other characters & villains we never got to see movie-wise. It would be fun, would only take 10 to 15 seconds.
Anywho we’ll just have to wait & see until the movie is released.
Nah.
Don't care as I won't see it with Ezra Millar still being in it.
Sorry about the watch time you didn't get from my clicking this vid(didn't even register a second), but I watch almost all your other ones.
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I don't think is canon. And sadly, Burton had nothing to do with that. I don't know if he ever had a story treatment for the third film or any ideas before they replaced him with Schumacher. But I wish they would've brought him to work on that. Is supposed to be his continuity. From what I've heard, they separated those 2 films from Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. Burton happened on one Earth and Schumacher happened on another Earth. Supposedly the same with Superman. The first 2 happened but the others didn't. Superman Returns happened on another Earth. So that is just like in the comics. But other than that, I don't think the comics are canon with The Flash movie.
If you're interested, I recommend you go watch channel awesome's fanscription. They did what ifs on a tim burton directed batman forever and batman and robin. They're both great videos!
My favorite part of Crisis of Infinite Earths on the CW Flash, was when Constantine met up with Lucifer had the night club. I loved the Lucifer series.
I hate The Flash movie already, because Keaton does not say "I'm Batman" in a 89 movies. He is not that cocky. He is opposite. He is silent and calm. I don't think they are going to get character right.
Did you just say Keaton didn't say "I'm Batman" in the 89 movie?
@@HackTheMovies He's actually right. Its a famously misremembered movie quote. What you are thinking of is the iconic scene from Spartacus (1960) where Kirk Douglas attempts to reveal his identity as The Batman, but then the whole crowd stands up one by one and says "I'm Batman". its actually a very powerful scene in the movie, id recommend checking it out.
I am not a bible humper that calls everything woke but I thought this comic was boring and pointless. Which is very accurate because the 3rd movie in the series always sucks
SPOILER ALERT….christ
Michael Keaton returning is MEH.
Jack Nicholson is what really makes batman 89 great. Every scene with Nicholson is what made the film entertaining.
Woulda been more exciting if HE was announced to return as joker,
Yes i know he "retired" but give a man enough money, and theyll do anything.
wow he really HAMMED it up. lol ok im leaving
batman 89 comic is boring, that's all
Politized!? Harvey Dent IS a politician! I for one loved the comic and I always knew Robin was going to be black (in the Burton movies) so they just finally did it, instead of making him black as a statement.
Are you actually going to see this, Tony? Some people aren't seeing the movie at all, because Ezra Miller is still in it. Other people will see it, but only because Keaton is in it. Btw, do we actually know that all those people were "murdered" by Batman? Maybe they just went to sleep. Getting back to the topic, I'm going to see this movie. Shia LeBeouf was also a nightmare, but he seems to be doing well. He even had a baby with Mia Goth. I hear that Ezra is getting treatment. So, maybe it will work on. I'm surprised that you did this video. Aren't comic book movies for children?
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@@HackTheMovies You don't? You mentioned some in previous videos, like the "cutties" guy from Beetlejuice
@JIF882 Yeah? I don't keep up with what he's doing. I still watch older movies that featured him like Beetlejuice and Ferris Bueller.
Ezra's done after this 100% they're too much of a liability and way too controversial at this point for them to stay on in the DCU.
Even though Tim Burton didn't work on this comic, it still doesn't change the fact that it's about his Michael Keaton played Batman from his two movies which is also why fans say that it takes place in the Burton-verse
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Michael Keaton literally looks like a bat. He is the best batman hands down. I love the Dark Night etc. but the OG is so legit.
What are your thoughts on the Robert Pattinson Batman?
@@kdusel1991 I love “The Batman”. RP was great. Like the Bale movies as well. Not a fan of Batfleck though.
@@mikeshields3449 I honestly like batfleck better as Bruce Wayne than Batman in BVS. He's much better in the Snyder Cut than the Josstice League imo.
@@kdusel1991 oh yeah! Snyder cut is actually pretty good. I agree.
CGI 89 Batman LoL he's not a Killer Tell me Do you Bleed LoL 😆
Is that Catwoman (Michelle Pfeiffer) from Returns 1992 movie no idea?! 🤨 8:14
that’s literally batman💀
I'm sad....... the flash movie is so trash with EM.... what a wastes of money, time and most of all MK.....