Why to Buy the OLD GS over the New 1300 GS - The R 1300 GS is NOT as Good as the 1250 GS
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- R 1300 GS v R 1250 GS
Why to Buy the OLD GS over the R 1300 GS
Wow Stay tuned for my BMW R 1300 GS review and ride test.
Is it better than the R 1250 GS? 2024 BMW R1300 GS Specs
Powering the BMW R1300 GS is a larger 1300cc boxer-twin engine. It will have 10 more horses than the outgoing model. The peak power and torque output are 146 Bhp and 150 Nm respectively. Underpinning, the R1300 GS is a new chassis with an aluminium subframe and 10KG Lighter. Cant wait to hear the start up sound. The 2024 R 1300 will be a beast.
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I'm 58 y.o. and appreciate the lighter weight of the 1300. I like the fresh, cleaner look. The power bump is not much but I think my 1250 has enough power. I would need to ride it but if its as comfortable as my 1250, I will upgrade.
Nitpicker? Just saying.
You are old enouch!
Thanks for sharing but beware of the BS weight savings of 13Kg
The weight is misleading. It’s the base model weight with nothing on it. 3Kg is the battery weight savings 1.5kg lighter wheels but most people will get spoked wheels and not save that weight and it has a smaller tank. No proper passenger seat, grab handle or luggage rack either on that base model. So in reality if you got a lithium battery in a standard GS 1250 and went like for like spec it’s only ~6kg heavier
The weight saving is without the lighter wheels. Inform yourself before you post. @@thefika
The standard cast wheels are lighter than the 1250 cast wheels. Take your own advice@@motolover5697
the upgrade wheels are 1,4kg lighter, not standard wheels.@@thefika
A 45 years old from The Netherlands here and I totally agree. I have been on an 850 GS for a while and 2024 was planned to be my 1250/1300 year. After seeing the 1300 I felt like I lost a loved one! Zero soul. Zero character. In a few months I'm going for a 1250 GSA and I can imagine myself by the dealer avoiding even to look at the 1300 toy thing.
Agree my man
Don’t agree. I think the R1 300 GS is way more appealing. Based on what you said, the R 1250 GS is like the new Discovery compared to my ‘95 R 80 GS PD. Last weekend I did a 1500km ride mostly on gravel roads, and the old school GS is still excellent for the job. I have ridden the water cooled models extensively and while they have more power, I prefer my lighter GS PD on gravel roads. The new 1300 is the first model since the 1100 that really appeals to me. But honestly, I’m waiting for the lighter R 12 R nineT GS with a 21” wheel, like the HP2. Now that will be game changer.
Fairy enough. Go with what works
Why get the 1250? I suggest getting the 1200 based on your arguments. Wait there was an older air cooled model? Well then...
either or. I said 1200 as well
R1200GS is SO great.@@thefika
I had a 1250GS for the last three years and I have to say I don't like the 1300GS, it reminds me of the Honda NX750. You can't even swap over your Vario panniers to save money as the new ones are totally different. There are some great discount prices for the 1250 & 1200 GS.
Totally agree
Lol. It lools miles better, is lighter and likely better. This reminds me of when Ducati tried to drop their dry clutch, replace the 916 etc. People will always whine. The 1300 GS is the first big GS that I actually would consider buying.
.Bmw are in trouble of ours not better.
I always wanted a Vstorm 👍
We'll have to disagree about the looks. The 1250 looks better to me. The X light on the 1300 gives it a Honda-esque kinda look. I love the asymmetric look of the 1250. The same way some people will always complain some will jump on the new thinking that automatically newer means better. It's not always the case. I'm not sure what's the case with the BMW GS, but at least in the looks department, for me, it's a step backwards.
Agree bmw wouldn’t release if no better the point is the boxer engine is unique gives low down stability other bikes can’t match
I owned 7 GSs total, right now I think that the 1250 which I'm riding today will be the last with the "tractor boxer" character I love. The 1300 for sure is nice, advanced and all of that but for me the 1250 will be my last "boxer", and I mean it😉
Thanks for the video, great job mate.
Ride safe
Agree. The goat
I laughed hard at this video :D
I recently bought a 1200 GSA Rallye from 2018 and I'm still more excited with it than than the new ones. Not saying it is better but it's simply a different style.
Agree, I am looking at buying a 2017/18 R1200GS Exclusive in Metallic brown - Very classy bike with the original non digital dash and dials.
Given the price of the 1300 is about 22,000 Pounds with all the needed features, the copium is expected. Still though, there is a lot to be gained from the many barely used 1250's that are going to hit tthe market.
That´s because you have bought a so so great bike. You have bike for many years with a little manteinace.
Yep, Das Legend
I automatically upgrade to the new models previously. This time I certainly don't have the same excitement about the new GS. Smaller tank? Cheap weight saving solution? Less fuel, larger cc = smaller range. One liter may not sound like much but with larger capacity engine it will make a difference. 190mm Front suspension travel? That's asphalt suspension in Africa were I live.
Thanks for sharing
You're talking Cr- ap! The new bike has so many improvements from finish to comfort and with a slick gearbox with new peachy gear shift!
The 1300 also has better low down chug along ability, your talking out of your posterior!
It also looks very "imposing tough" with the new look, the way the seating and boxes work your also wrong about riding loaded!
More wind tunnel time spent on the GS1300 and all development, 1300 over the 1250 straight off for free!
OK Soy Boy. It looks so Tuff and mean
So many people care about "road present", i am so tired of motorcycles get bigger and heavier. i just want a motorcycle that works smoothly on motorway as well as in the tight trails, less weight and smaller certainly make it a lot better when going through slippery deep rut trails.
Go with what work mate
I like the energy of your videos, keep the great job going!
Thanks mate
I would have to try the new 1300 but coming from a 1200, one thing I felt was it was too big and heavy. I bought a 701 husqvarna to handle the off road and realize why I think smaller and lighter works. If the price isn't a problem go ahead and buy. If you have a problem with money, don't buy it. I am going to test ride one and if it feels right, I am going to buy. You can't take your money with you. Enjoy yourself...
Good to know. We all have to go with what we love
Your comment about how people ride it, is critical. I commute in heavy Bangkok traffic, and then do monthly long trips, so i think i will upgrade. I also did buy the Desert X for the times i go offroad one up. As for commuting on the Ducati, it's a very HOT bike and stopped in traffic at 35C+ its🎉 brutal!!😢
Great. thanks for riding
I test rode the 1300 on Friday and I’m sorry to say it’s so much better than the 1250 . In every way, quick shift is a bit jerky. But so was my Ducati 950s when I got it. Now it’s smooth. After 6000 miles. I have been testing bikes for ages to see if something could replace my Ducati. I tried triumph, bmw gsa 1250 and a 950, Ducati 1260 and 950s. All the ktm’s inc 1290 super adventure, 790s 890s etc. Yamaha world raid, and Tracer 900 gt that I must say was nice, but way to small for me I’m 6’2’ The BMW gs1300 was awesome in the 22k configuration. But it’s the ride that sold me. Easy to control and corner and very smooth. Go try it.
No need to be sorry. If it wasn’t better. BMW would be in big trouble
Having had many GSs and now having had my 13GS for 4 months and over 3000 miles I can say the 13GS is a brilliant bike and looks much better than the 1250 IMO
So rather than listen to some one who doesn't even own one and frankly doesn't no what they are talking about go out and try it
Great to hear
God I wished I had bought one of those older Defenders just when they did their final offer! Since then the (old) Defender has climbed in value and price. I wouldn’t be surprised something similar might happen with the 1250 GS. I waited for the 1300 and even though taken on its own it is a great bike, I don’t feel the GS vibe when I look at it, so this time I am getting the last 1250 Rallye unit on the showroom floor. To my eyes, even the Tramuntana doesn’t look this sexy. Finally the one reason to pick up the last 1250 that I haven’t heard mentioned anywhere is that this is the last time you can pick up a brand new one whereas the 1300 will always be available if some day you change your mind.
Yep agree
I agree with you and I don’t ride a GS. While I’d love adaptive cruise I am not a fan of the softer styling and your spot on remarks. The last year of the real GS. Same with the old Ducati square headlight SuperSport. The 1998 FE was the last Ducati SS worth owning. (They should have painted it yellow and gave it the same decals as the 95 Superlight but that’s another video)
Well said!
I have an r1250gs Rallye, but with the black heated seat. I have owned many bikes in my 66 years. People(men , women, teens) come up to me every time I stop, and complement my bike. Its a beautiful, yet approachable bike. This new one is a bit too polished, smooth, and small for my taste.
Thanks for sharing
I´m the proud owner of a R1250GS Adventure, and you re not gonna see me of this horrible R1300GS. Zero personality. And...oh my god.... that front light...
GSA 💪
I'll go for 1300GS hands down
Time to upgrade 😊
Woof
My R 1250 GS is the motorcycle equivalent of a 4x4 pickup, and I like that.
Exactly
Pretty cool comparison!
The guys at BMW- marketing will hate you for this- so what!
I figure they will hate me. ✌️
I do love my 1250 GSA it is an absolute pleasure to ride and would anyway only exchange if the new 1400 GSA is significant better. The sound isn’t better for sure, and I hope BMW will upgrade the dashboard with one bigger screen as they did with the other models.
1400 GSA Will make me firm
The 2012 twin cam GS and GS adventure is peak GS for me . Its Lighter for a start and its better in the low revs and looks the best using your Land Rover analogy its much more Defender than the 1200/1250 fancy painted bungalows . It also sounds much nicer especially with the cat and flap eliminated and an Akro fitted .
Spot on
Luckily the engine lives on in the R9T range
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I'd take the no maintenance boon of hydraulic valve adjusters over any boost in power or tech upgrades, and for many bikes, not just this model. The only ones that spring to mind are Harleys, including the new water cooled ones and the big Indian cruisers. Even Royal Enfield have dropped them from the Bullet now. Dealer servicing is a cash cow they won't let go of.
I think youre right
i think the new gs has an only advantage of power output,the 1250 and 1200 really look magnificent and it is so easy to tell from a distance that these two are approaching you,i mean the beasts are appalling in their own way,i guess you know what i mean
Right on mate
New models of a motorcycle are always better than the previous model of the same motorcycle. Technically speaking it is like this. and that's it. Aesthetically it can always be discussed if it is more beautiful or more imposing. I like the new 1300 because is better, but the 1250 is a great bike. I have a Triumph that I was going to change for the Multistrada, but now I think it will be the GS 1300!!
Cool. Just curious. Why the 1300 GS over the Multistrada?
The GS 1300 has all the technology that I liked about the Ducati. I prefer 149 torque than 170 HP of power. But I have to try it of course. I already know Ducati!@@thefika
My ass they are better@@thefika
On one hand this sounds like dealership desperation; our local shop has four new unsold GS’s on the floor. On the other hand, as an Africa Twin rider, I see a similar argument for older models. In my opinion, the ‘24 offerings just aren’t worth the coin. As well, it’s not only the cost of purchasing that’s becoming an issue, it’s the cost of ownership over five to seven years that’s . . . yike$!
Fair points
Just put an order on a black GSA alu tank,gold rims with all packages you can get! Delivery next year in may to my birthday! Traded my 20 grey GSA ! New tractor on the farm👍
Nice
It's very simple they made it for the Genz and millennials alone :)
I come from the millennials. I agree even though all is better in the new one, I still prefer the G1250 GS. That had a soul.
Even if I get the new one as a gift I will swap it for 1250 GS.
Yep
I sold my 2nd GSA,a 2012 Rallye, big mistake...it was 2nd.First GSA was a 2010....had motor work,Ohlins shocks and a Warn XT 17 winch...was doing all the offroad camps...Fast forward..got cancer,retirement gift was a 2021...tank...got a good price but looking at a 2023 GSA...not impressed with the 1300's.
Right on
u are my hero, absolutely right, new is not synonymous of better, why get rid the tubular frame? to get more stiffness BMW says , did you ever heard complains about the stiffness of the tubular frame? the GS lost his identity, it became a Japanese motorbike with a boxer engine, and the front head light ? horrible
My man. Have a good day
Not going to lie, when I first saw the R1300GS released I was underwhelmed and it really felt like a lesser motorcycle somehow than R1250GS or even R1200GS. But the more i look at it the more sense it's starting to make to me. It's a bigger change than what we got used to, but in the right direction. It's more of a "bike" now and less of a "car" that it was really becoming. I agree it doesn't look like "The king of ADV bikes" like the older models do, but ultimately i feel it will be the objectively better bike in all the ways that truly matter, including fun.
P.S.
It's important to note I'm a millennial and that I'm possibly the target audience for this product
This comment helps a lot. Thanks
I think BMW did great here and I can't wait to see KTM's answer.
Me too
The KTM is already way more sportier than the new 1300. They need not answer BMW's challenge because there is no challenge. Hell, my 2019 KTM 1290 is better than the new 1300.
@@henryvaneyk3769 While I don't disagree the KTM is already sportier, as is the Ducati, the current R1250GS already outsells the KTM and Ducati, so the new R1300GS most certainly will. KTM will definitely have a next-gen 1300ish Adventure, and in order to compete on sales, they should 1) Overhaul the horrible looks, or allow Husky to Norden it 2) Fix their severe quality control issues 3) embrace the lower tank design of the 790/890, so it's even better off-road 4) further move toward their 950 roots with a more compact bike, like the new BMW.
Yeah.........i agree - Great review - like the cut of u r jib young man !
Thanks Mate
I’ll take the 1200 water boxer 2016-2018 GS or GSA any day over the 1250 or new 1300 models. Shift cam is good till it frags a cam. I still like analog speedo and tach. I like the rugged looks. Would some lighter materials be nice yes, but not at the expense of durability. Anything over 125 horsepower is excessive for this type of motorcycle.
The golden age
All the hyperbole about the 1300 is hilarious. Remember a lot of it is coming from YT “influencers” being wined and dined by BMW, or with a vested interest in making positive noises. “Better” is a subjective term. More power, a smoother transmission, less weight or feeling of weight, a potentially better quality of finish, new looks etc. can be countered with a big price tag, divisive looks, thinner, narrower seat, nowhere near the weight saving being claimed, no proper tail light, reduced weather protection without miles of clear plastic, over-complicated button setup, indicators in the hand guards, more electrics to go wrong, the cost of buying all new luggage and inevitably new model issues (and there will be - every new GS for the last 30 years has had issues). The more important point is that just because a new bike comes out, it doesn’t mean the existing bike suddenly becomes rubbish. There will be a dip in used prices for 1250 as the sheep, sorry, early adopters sell up to get the latest and greatest, but it’ll stabilise and there will be a healthy longer term market for used bikes, just like there was for the 1200LC, TU, original 1200, 1150 and so on.
I agree ☝️
2022 GSA toured all over your packed up for tripping cold weather hot weather rain wind completely agree you offer me 1300 versus 1250. I’ll take the 1250 all day long I wouldn’t even stop to consider. been in terrible traffic. Crossing international borders hit by trash trucks rear ended in border crossing lines hit on the side not even a dent on the bike never pushed me over had complete protection. I’m not talking about fast accident. I’m just talking about when you’re surrounded by vehicles and some of these countries that have fun traffic I would definitely take the 1250.
I love my 2021 1250 GSA. 40,000 miles
Nice. hers to another 40000 Miles
You lost me when you started showing photos of the Adventure model to get the point across that the GS1250 is more majestic. That said I just bought a new 1250 GS Adventure a few weeks ago.
Weeeee
cant believe BMW made their iconic GS look like a Triumph 1200. Triumph made their latest 1200 to comepete directly with the old GS1250 . wtf
Sorta crazy
Sporty looks? Maybe I just prefer a pair of proper hiking boots than a pair of Nike fashion sneakers... Hopefully the GSA will still be a proper GSA for proper long distance off the grid exploring.
Yep 👍
I have a 2011 GS Adv air cooled an I am quite happy with it. I don‘t see any reason for me to buy a 1300 cc GS
Same here mate
Absolutely right!!
My Man
My theory, and I hope I am right, is they designed the 1300 GS to be the sleek, more sporty GS, and it will be the 1400 GS that is still coming that will be styled and configured like the tough truck we are looking for.
Yes hopefully a 1400 GSA big boi
...hopefully ...
now that would make a lot of sense. I hope you’re right. This is kind of like having an H1 Hummer and being offered a lighter, smaller H2, almost Tahoe and convincing yourself that it’s still a hummer
The thumbnail on your video ruins what little credibility you had. The GS1300 is "Trash" - whatever dude.
Who hurt you. Hopefully you get some help. All the best 🫶 try this site for help www.beyondblue.org.au/mental-health/depression?gclid=Cj0KCQjwhL6pBhDjARIsAGx8D5-oBrORlndrxggobe3MvWI7lNTkuoW1BkPWPKDoKCCp8IjVbQkcXxsaAhusEALw_wcB
GS was something different. All others tried to copy him for years. Now the GS has drowned in the gray of other similar models. No more soul, no more style. It became one of the motorcycles on the market, and it is not anymore "the one". I will stay with old model and then, when time for change comes, I see no reason to stay with BMW anymore. I was paying premium price for BMW for being something special. I see no reason to pay extra money for something average, what BMW now is. But I am sure that marketing will do the job and explain well that 12,5 kg matters and that GS will again be the top seller. And yes, blinkers in hand protectors?!?! You must be kidding :) Good plan to make extra profit and and idiotic option for tourer
12kg is game changer
its more like 7-8Kg as it has a smaller tank -1kg , lithium battery- 3kg another -1.5kg for new cast wheels. (Everyone will get spoked wheels so no savings )and muffler is lighter. Also the stock model they got the weight from does not have a proper passenger seat or grab rail.
Thanks for sharing
very interesting discussion, to me I love the look of both, I like the weight reduction, but at the end of the day it will come down to cost. Both will get you to starbucks just fine.
Well said!
Gs1300 finally a human scale bike ❤
woof
I would make the jump to the 1300 for the improved transmission alone and I love my 2023 GSA
Yer. 1250 QS sux
I disagree. I totally love the look of the 1300 . It still has soul.
Cool man.
Have you ever seen or have you ever ride the new bike ?? ;-)
I dont like the look of 1250 at all, keeps me away from buying till now.
I will be riding it soon. Nothing I say here requires riding it anyway
@@thefika riding is the essence in that case
Clickbait was made to gain a few new members and clicks. It is obvious that the new 1300 GS is much better than the old one. no one can deny this.
I will be saving my praise for when i experience it myself
Now, when BMW is getting closer to have a decent looking GS, people act negatively! Weird!
And less weight will be a step in the right direction too. It has most certainly the keys to success. If the quality is good... And the serviceability... But that remains to be seen.
👍 I don’t mind the looks. But it has lost it presence. Good or bad
I mind the looks ,,, and the presence, both sadly lost
I bought my gsa rallye new in sept 22 i am not interested in a 1300 i will see what tje gsa is like but to be honest my insurance is a killer due probably to how much its worth
Insurance is crazy
1250 GS, no doubt. The 1300 is for the soyboi generation that grew up with crayons and playdough to cope with their various anxieties. Useless generation.
Woof!
Your absolutely spot on 😂
The problem is that the soy boy generation is getting its turn to design more and more things. And it shows.
The Old Defender is a Garbage because it will be sitting in your Garage instead of being on the Road. The 1250 is a True Classic and it will not break down like the Defender. My 2017 1200 GSA in triple black was the most aggressive looking bike I've ever had. The new 1300 looks like a Teen Girl with too much make up for a Instagram Shot!
Are you a Defender owner by any chance?
I'd pick up R1150GS ;)
Hehehe
Soul, presence, intimidation? 😂 Oh puhleeze. At age 67 I’m definitely a boomer and I’ll take better, faster, lighter, more powerful any day of the week. Sorry “Gramps” the kids have it on this one. Out w the old, in w the bold!
I actually never gave my opinion on this bike yet but at 67 no wonder you want the lighter bike
I would go for new one, better resale price later, overal "better" bike, to be honest looks are horrible on both models so that isn't going to be big factor for most of the people buying bmw for what that motorcycle is truly capable...Lighter, stronger, more refined and lively machine, no doubt the new one.
The resale price?!
Shame on you!
I’m with you on they both are not stunning looking 👍.
GS is not for swappers... it's for keepers.... If swapping is your intention. then it makes sense i think but for the majority of the GS riders i feel the intention is not that. Even though i don't own any GS. i plan to. I had other bikes which i never let my heart to let go. i want GS because I want a bike for life.
@@manuvikraman1611 Nobody talks about swapping bikes like swapping socks, at least majority of people are not in that position...But one day if for a unknown reason you decide to sell, or maybe trade in for a new bmw 1350 gs or what only God knows will be the best of the best on the market, you can get more back with newer model then the last one
Mate wait up for the R1300GSA…..
Woof
This aged badly lol
Badly? You mean not well?
Don't agree with most of the points made.
Awesome. I will make a video about you not agreeing
You are right, the sissy 1300.
Weeeee
I definitely prefer the lighter 1300 mL GS. It looks a little bit more sporty. I can still use it for camping and having fun 12 kg can be all my camping gear before I even reach the weight of the old one.
The weight is misleading. It’s the base model weight with nothing on it. 3Kg is the battery weight savings 1.5kg lighter wheels but most people will get spoked wheels and not save that weight and it has a smaller tank. No proper passenger seat, grab handle or luggage rack either on that base model. So in reality if you got a lithium battery in a standard GS 1250 and went like for like spec it’s only ~6kg heavier
That 6 L of beer
All these bikes are good when new try owning an old one and try getting B.M.W. to help out when things go wrong
these in my humble opinion are over priced over rated piles of do do !! After many years and due to the way B.M.W. treated me I am going back to a company that cares HONDA The big plus being you will get to wherever you are going and back again EVEN ON AN OLD ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rant Over !!
Thanks for the rant :)
Clickbait video title
I talked about exactly what the title and thumbnail said in this video.
That would make it the opposite of click bait
All your video is a clickbait)
Thats what happens when you believe the Earth is flat. I guess the sky is green according to you
My man, I owned all big GSs for last 15 years, and drive them hard, and I already tried a 1300 one, and ordered one. I know for sure that earth is flat)
Luddite 😂
An ignorant use of a word you probably just discovered.
The GS is the opposite of new technology. It has an old Boxer engine, old brakes, old suspension, old Cardan drive. Go back to school 👋
Everything is good but the lights of 1250gs is🤌🤌
Noice