The way Arsenal fans treated him was disgusting. Fair enough, he declined massively as a manager, but that was no way to treat the man who did so much for your club.
No he deserved it 3 titles 22 years 6-0 vs to chelsea 6-3 to man city Constantly getting battered by Liverpool 8-2 to man United 15-3 on aggregate On top of that he had the chance to sign Kante and chose xhaxa instead he never built a steady back 4 wenger was finished after 2011 he should’ve went years ago
@@04foreverinvincible69 still he shouldn’t have been treated like he just committed some war crimes, plus they’re doing much worse without him anyway🤣🤣🤣🤣
You think Arsenal fans treated Wenger badly? You clearly don’t know about the Man Utd and Spurs fans who sang chants about him being a paeodphile for 20 years which is more disgusting than fans wanting Wenger gone for the right reasons: Highest paid manager in the league and yet was constantly underachieving Highest ticket prices in Europe for the Emirates with 7 straight CL R16 defeats 14 years without a league title in which we could have won the league 4 times in that period if Wenger had been proactive - the real turning point was when Leicester won the league , one of the most embarrassing moments in the club’s history We HAD to protest against him just to get our voice heard , we didn’t want to , but however considering how stubborn the board was we had indicate some kind of pressure for change , after all, Arsenal were still getting ridiculed for letting Wenger stay when other clubs (like Chelsea) are ruthless with their managers - Ancelotti got sacked a year after winning the double with Chelsea …
The only manager in premier league history to win the title undefeated, got us champions league football for 16yrs back to back despite not having any transfer funds because of new stadium cost. Wenger deserves respect
@@PRCOM I'm sorry in which part was I discussing cartoons? Unless you live in an alternative reality Wenger in his 16 CL stints reached one final. The rest was being knocked out in last 16 and the odd quarter final and in the last few years of his time there would lose by basketball scores to Bayern and others. He will be never go down as an elite manger a I cannot name on elite manger that does not have one CL trophy under their name.
Arsenal's decline was no fault of Wenger's, it was purely down to the lack of investment from the board. His genius kept Arsenal relevant and they have fallen off a cliff ever since he left. Some Arsenal fans should be ashamed of themselves for the abuse and hatred they directed towards their greatest ever manager
@@04foreverinvincible69 it is totally believable, he wasnt able to spend as much as he wanted, and was critized by the fans and by the board for that, the same board who didnt want to spend. So yeah when came the moment to spend, im pretty sure he had less power to do anything, and i will add one last thing, people here keep talking about fucking arsene wenger being a bad coach at the end, thats some bullshit, he kept bringing in FA cup, and no thats very valuable titles esp if you look at the team he had in retrospect, this stuff need to stop when people call him a bum, he did better than most coach in the premier league, he wasnt a bum.
@@04foreverinvincible69 You've written the same thing in like 5 comments now. Atleast make the bullshit you right be true. Wenger wanted Kante and Manolas that season and the board could only get him Xhaka and Mustafi. A man who had a eye for talent couldnt tell Kante was bettee than Xhaka? i dont thinks so. He wasnt backed. Since he's left we have spend more than he ever did in the past decade and we finished 8th last season. So you keep yawning with your low IQ
@@MrCaptaincupcakeful dont even know about ur own club. Graham was at arsenal for only a fraction of wenger's time and didnt win that many trophies Not to mention the fact that he jumped ship to spurs
Such an underrated channel, the content and the work you put to make a vid is amazing, keep up the good work. Looking forward for some more awesome content
From 1889 to 1998 the league was dominated by exclusively English/Scottish managers, with the exception of one Irishman. But since Ferguson retired there hasn't been a single British or Irish winner. Crazy
I can't find anything to disagree in this video. However, there are some serious omissions. The chaos at the start of the 2011-12 season made it clear that the manager's job was too big for just one man. Wenger was too stubborn to see this and to accept that he had to work with other people on recruitment allowing himself to focus on managing the first team. Secondly, Arsenal consistently allowed players to run down contracts instead of selling them when they refused to commit to a new deal. For example, Alexis was exchanged for Miki 6 months after Arsenal turned down a £50m offer from City. Had Kroenke taken more control of transfers and managed them with the bottom line in mind, the performances might not have improved but the financial side of the club would have been better. Thirdly, transfer purchases in later years were chronically poor. Mustafi is usually highlighted but he was far from the worst centre-back Wenger bought. Fourthly, both Fabiański and Szczęsny played poorly for Arsenal but have gone on to have successful careers elsewhere (Juve!). They have criticised the goalkeeping coaching at Arsenal. Fifthly, Wenger has been quoted as preferring to focus on strengths rather than weaknesses, buying Ozil after a game in which Arsenal's defensive frailties had been exposed. He refused to learn from heavy defeats. Sixthly, despite having Adams and Vieira in his first decade at Arsenal, Wenger did not seem to value leadership and attitude.
The combination of the stadium, selling their best players to sign mediocre players while his rivals continue to strengthen and failure to adapt to the ever changing climate of football has lead Wenger to his inevitable downfall. The seasons he should have won the Premier League title is 2008, 2014 and 2016. 2008 to be fair wasn't his fault. Eduardo Da Silva suffered a horrific injury so brutal that the broadcasters had to censor the images on TV against Birmingham. After that the wheels fell off. 2014 despite ending their 9 year trophy drought and signing Mesut Ozil, he couldn't get the job done plus getting humiliated by his rivals 6-3 against City, 5-1 against Liverpool and 6-0 against Chelsea. 2016 was the year where the Manchester clubs weren't at it, Liverpool were mid table mediocrity and Chelsea had a season from hell. Wenger should have invested on a striker when he had the chance but signed a declining Cech and Elneny in the January window. In the end, relegation fodder Leicester City went on to do the unthinkable and won the Premier League title. After that it went up in smoke and failed to get Champions League football on his final 2 years. Arsenal's last Champions League appearance was in 2017 when they got slapped 10-2 on aggregate against Bayern. Those three year I've highlighted was the years Arsenal should have won the league. One wasn't his fault but the other 2 he screwed up. Wenger is partly responsible for the downfall of Arsenal but they were circumstances that played a role in the decline like forced to sell their best players to finance the Emirates stadium, signing mediocre players and youths never setting a light, change of board and ownership and rivals having more money to strengthen their teams while Arsenal was left behind. Blaming Wenger for everything wrong at Arsenal is wrong. He did get Champions League football every year with poor players and won the FA cup with these sorry lot.
Should have stood down in 2014 when he and Arsenal won their first Major Honour in 9 Years (FA Cup). He didn't even Qualify for top 4 in last two seasons. He was acting like the clubs accountant than that of a manager in his latter years
Wenger was similar to Mourinho in the way he was stubborn against criticism. Wenger as manager isn't responsible for the club's finances, he only manages/coaches the playing squad. Ok, the manager is involved in conversations about the list of transfer targets and how to prioritise them, and a long-term manager like Wenger gets a bigger say than the short-term managers today. Wengers reduced squad budget would've been frustrating for him as well as the fans. But I suppose he should've balanced his new total football, possession based team out with 2 or 3 tough guys in amongst them. What was worst for the match goers was that they were watching this reduced budget team, but they were paying for the most expensive tickets of any club in the world... the fans only live once. They work for their money, pay for tickets, and want to support genuine ambition to compete for the top titles, and their club weren't doing that. Wenger had a great track record of developing talents other coaches hadn't rated as highly... but he pushed that squad budget-management too far in the end.
Not watched the video yet but the player quality went down after the Invincibles season. Between 96 and 05 they had the likes of Tony Adams, Sol Campbell, Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Seaman, Lehmann, Ashley Cole and loads more. That was just top of my head. Beween 06 and 18 they had Nasri, Bendtner, Chamakh, Gervinho, Szczesny, Alex Song. The drop off is almost laughable.
what he had to endure, build and sustain back then, allows today's and future managers to be able to spend and buy players at the costs that were unheard of during his reign, because of the albatross of a stadium. He sowed the seeds, but did not reap the full benefits
Ahh sad, a joy to watch but hard to get by (particularly in that era) with pure football alone. There were a few strong title pushes derailed by injuries to key players, Van Persie on more than one occasion but also Santi Cazorla and others, a what if but each time Arsenal fell away after dominating early on and injuries were a big part. It got to the point people were questioning Arsenal’s medical set-up. Arsenal did actually suffer more injuries than other teams they were competing against, partly as they liked to play possession football and therefore had the ball at their feet longer per game but coupled with the fact Arsenal were brutalised by teams who could not out-football them, the type of foul that permanently stunted Diaby’s career was a fairly regular occurrence. Something that would not have been the case in Viera’s day, that’s perhaps Wenger’s biggest oversight but geez some Arsenal fans need their heads examined for how he was treated. The atmosphere at the Emirate’s was toxic at times, who’s to say how many points decent support is worth per season, maybe could of tipped them over the line those few years they were close?
Wenger was a real genius and truly a football professor. Pained me to see him leave the way he did and oh what an ungrateful fanbase the arsenal fans really are.
This explains some issues between the invincibles and say 2013... but this does not explain the 5 year period of decline and failure to improve within the top 4. Failing to beat LEICESTER, isn't an issue of "investment," it's the fact that he was naive and didn't really make big moves to kick up the squad. He trusted players too much and as the modern game was changing, he lost his identity within it. Trying to copy Klopp's system or Pep's or even Conte's (3 at the back), but not having one of his own especially on a defensive level. Keeping his backroom staff the same were others, like Fergie, kept updating. I mean you just cannot excuse the failure at the end with simple financial excuses. We got turned over regularly by big teams when even smaller teams could hold their own vs those same counterparts. Arsenal getting regularly beat 6-0 is not a good sign that your manager can compete anymore and there were too many embarrassments to not be a trend of the way he set up the team. Those last couple of season purchases were embarrassing as well, Lacazette, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Cech, Ospina... he really lost his touch.
I think he should have more acknowledgement from the club. I truly felt he live for Arsenal. I believe the whole club in fact owes him a favour. It was sad to see the backlash on him from the fans.
Wenger was quite close to winning 3 more league titles. They suffered major injuries to key players 2 seasons running in the late 2000s when they were top around February; and slipped back in the year Leicester won it. As a United fan even though Arsenal were rivals I think the way Wenger was driven out to retire from the club was a disgrace.
How does any football manager fall from finishing the whole season unbeaten in the Premier League the toughest league in the world? Please tell me I’ll wait
2 very very important players in db10 and viera. Wenger decided to ex them after 2006 now that's the downfall of arsenal and Wenger started. If only he stick with them 2 before prematurely bringing up another young team of cesc, arsenal could have dominate for a few more years. It's a miscalculation of wenger purely.
Wenger was stubborn at times. Losing key players like Viera, Henry, Flamini, Fabregas, Ashley Cole, Van Persie at their prime showed lack of ambition by Arsene Wenger. Especially when Arsenal were offered chance to resign Fabregas but wenger refused. One may try and blame those players but Arsene wenger was a joker. I refuse to blame the club owners, Wenger had the club backing.
Collectively more than half of Arsenal fans we were thinking Wenger should leave as if he was the problem I had a feeling that is not the case but at some point I thought the same. Now let’s all look at the situation a couple years after he left? I dont even remember what is like to watch my team in the champions league!!! Let’s hope Arteta and the young guys can do it this year and turn things around!
In as much as I understand the analysis,Wenger has a massive part to play in the decline of the club. The sheer refusal to change tactics to suit the players he had. Arsenal we're always 1 or 2 good players from winning the title, for instance, the season that Leicester won the title, Arsenal we're a striker and a defensive midfielder away from tipping Leicester to it. It's not as if Wenger was running Arsenal for free, he was being rewarded by new deals and higher pay. He decided to sell himself for the money. Also, Wenger was given money, he used it poorly. This guy brought in Debuchy and Chambers both right back positions at the same time. Why didn't he take that money and buy one quality right back? Same with Xhaka...it's called pennywise, pound foolish! His mentality was in the gutter, he was happy to settle...he said and I quote tight around 2009 to 12"...it is better to play in the CL than win FA cup. That was a wicked and insensitive statement during a trophy drought that fans had to endure...I was done with him at this point! He also refused buying a defensive midfielder. A proper manager in football, once they see that the board doesn't align with their plans to win trophies, they don't stay loyal to such people. Wenger knew what Kronke was all about and stood by him, meaning that he supported the decline...he painted it as the philosophy of the club didn't allow him spend big... ...by extension of the above point, this guy lied to the fans and was arrogant. He got angry when his failures were challenged by the press. He gave the fans false hope...at the end of every season, we wouldsay ok, next season and then have a poor transfer window! This guy just refused to change! People commenting here that fans were unfair to him are extremely DISINGENUOUS! Have they forgotten the banners in Wenger we trust...how many chances can you give one man? Does that make sense? Fans stood by the dude for 9 trophy less yrs! What other loyalty do you want? Wengers cup was full and pouring over and the fans had enough and rightly so... Now the same courtesy is being shown to Arteta making the club to continually go down the drain, he too will receive a similar treatment soon as it's clear that he will also fail! So yes, Wenger is a massive part of the decline and deserved fully what he got at the end! He should have honourably stepped down years ago and the owner would have been exposed...the fans would have gone after the owner till he sold the club to someone more ambitious just like Benitez did with Newcastle as nd look at the results now.
What Wenger managed to achieve with the amount of resourses he had availiable was criminally underrated. Does anybody think that Guardiola, Klopp or Conte could do better than top 4 if they had to sell their best players every year only to replace them with much cheaper alternatives?
It is easier to see these issues more clearly in hindsight. At the time, fans did not know how little was actually invested in the club. Wenger, being a professional, did not speak up against the ownership or the board during his time there. This unfortunately led to him taking the blame for the state of the club and hurting his legacy when the real blame lied with the ownership.
I mean bendtner was on our books for years till 2014 along with the fact that a DM wasn’t brought in after 2013 it started to become obvious that wenger wasn’t getting the necessary investment
he did a good job seeing Arsenal through the financial transition of the Emirates ( though some poor decisions made in finance to not compete for that long after moving a stadium when we look at other teams not crippled by such a move). Still, he stayed too long and his approach to football was way in the past. Arsenal's scouting had to be totally revamped the past few years because it was so so dated. Football is very data-driven now, and thats not the type of manager AW was. He was also too sentimental to a fault trusting in players that just weren't good enough. AW had to go for the club to change. Even the awkward Emery phase was necessary, but AW was keeping the club in a stagnant state while football kept moving on.
For all the things Wenger did for Arsenal, he was chased out of Arsenal with sticks. Like yeah he was declining as a manager and was not able to keep up with the evolving game but the way he was chased out still leaves a bitter taste. He was and always will be a Arsenal Legend even if the last few years had been riddled with mistakes and errors.
Did you forget how opposing fans used to sing 'Arsene Wenger we want you to stay'? Jesus, people have such a short memory, they remember whatever suits them and their one dimensional view of the world. Every other club wanted Wenger to remain at Arsenal because they knew Arsenal will never be a threat again with him in charge. That's why likes of Gary Neville were saying 'be careful what you wish for' - he knew it is better for United if Wenger stays. Now, signing Emery or Arteta instead is a completely another matter - Wenger had to go, end of story.
His tactics left a lot to be desired for in his last years, as well as his inability to instill a fighting spirit in the team and the defensive fragility. Having said that, he was not supported enough in the transfer market (especially after the stadium was built) and his late 90s - early 00s period cements him as an Arsenal legend, Arsene's Invincibles will always be a legendary side.
his teams had spirit. more spirit then artetas and Emerys . they always came back from 2-0 down and etc. defied the odds all the time. you are just spitting media narrative
@@miltonhatzidakis3351 no they don't have spirit unless you were referring to the pre emirates team. There's a reason why patrice evra called them babies for all those years.
Wenger made Arsenal relevant all over the World. His style of Football made people connect with Arsenal. He revolutionalised English Football and people like me from the Countries became fans of Football and Arsenal - begun to like Football because of him and Ferguson. He wasn't backed financially and he still kept Arsenal relevant for more than 2 decades. Cannot think of any other manager other than these two legends to do it for so long and SAF was backed every single year of his reign.
Wenger's clubs always played good footie until his retirement. Wenger's players also IMO got better under him, there just wasn't much talent at the end. I think his biggest problem was that he just kept selling his best players to rival clubs. He pretty much gave the title to Man U when he handed them RVP a title they could have won w/ VanPersie (the whole thanks for the league title here's Danny Welbeck was just twisting the knife). For a while it also seemed like Arsenal was Man City's farm club. And OK sure, players want to go sometimes, and if say City wants to pay for a squad player like when spurs sold Kyle Walker, fine, but for the stars just jeez ship them out the country like Liverpool or Spurs do.
I loved Wenger and I get the financial backing argument m, but apart from Sol Campbell, how many world class centre backs did he develop like he did with attacking players? He never had an eye for the defensive side of the game, and at the end of the day, this is England. Pretty football was only going to last so long
@@PaddyMac should have stood down in 2014 when him and Arsenal won their first Major Honour in 9 Years (the FA Cup) gone out on a high. He stayed on four years to long.
A giant of a man, with an even bigger legacy. Building a new stadium was ahead of its time. You only have to look at spurs and other clubs for the costs involved now. The stadium is his legacy. That and he made arsenal relevant and competitive over his era. England is blessed to have a lot of clubs with rich histories and trophies in the cabinet but he took arsenal to another level. Relevant in terms of arsenal being considered a big 2 then 4 the 6 club during a time of massive media exposure. Losing dein was the biggest blow and I think wenger took on more responsibility with getting the transfer right/making the numbers add up. Spot on about viera. In the latter years arsenal were viewed as a bit soft and wenger never brought or found another viera type player who be offended at the though of losing. I think in his 2nd last season arsenal finished 5th with 75 points. Probably the highest points total for a club that missed out on champions league football. Honestly all things being equal I think he worked miracles at the club, played entertaining football and if any of us were playing a football manager game we all be aiming to replicate everything he achieved.
Not firing wenger sooner was the downfall of this club when he sold van persie to man united of all clubs that should’ve been the straw that broke the camels back. Even if van persie pushed for the move they should’ve place him on the bench for the rest of his contract 3 Premier league in 22 years just embarrassing
Wenger is the legend. Only 2 out of 21 years outside the top 4.. Post Wenger, Arsenal finished 8th and 8th despite the massive investments. Just to remind everyone that Wenger did that with players like Chamakh, Squilaci and relying on academy products. Such an achievement.
@2:57 MONEY It's bloody money. 2004-2005 Chelsea win and then for the next 10 years it was Chelsea, United and City, untouchable deep pockets. 3 for Chelsea, 5 for United and 2 for City. To add insult to injury in the next 8 years after that so from 2014-2022, it's Chelsea (1), Leicester (1), Liverpool (1) and City 5 so 2 outliers but otherwise, it's the same 2 clubs. In fact Given Arsene failed to realise that his vision for Arsenal just wasn't going to cut it, 7 clubs have won a PL title in 31 seasons. Only 4 have won multiple. The reality is that from 2004/2005 onwards in order to win a PL you had to have some deep pockets and while Leicester won in 2015-2016 Arsenal came within spitting distance in 07-08 where unfortunately they dropped crucial points after Eduardo's horrible leg break. @9:38 Ashley Cole, Van Persie, Gnabry, Szczensy and Oxlade-Chamberlain. To name a few that were missed out.
Imo Wenger was an idealist. He would persist rather than change. That's what did for him in the end. There was a time when im sure he thought Arsenal could play in the premiership with diminutive players like Barca. At that time Barca were the best team in Europe. To me he didn't full accept that the Premier League is officiated differently than in Spain. He would spend large amounts of money on attack minded players like a Arshavin, Ozill, but neglect his defense. If those players weren't working out he would persist rather than admit wrong doing. He would look to buy bargain basement CB's. That coupled with small midfield players meant Arsenal had no steal to exist in the Premiership against aggressive direct teams who would benefit from the reffereeing approach in England that allowed you to be more aggresive. To his detriment he was held back by financial restraints but he had an all too cosy relationship with the board. He was not the type of guy to lay the blame at their feet and kept everything in house. The fans therefore turned their frustrations on him. The board were happy ticking along getting the CL qualification money and spending little. Wenger had become too big at the club and was able to turn his tenure into his own personal project to massage his ego. He was a great manager but he became too big for Arsenal imo. There was no accountability and that meant the pressure wasn't there to learn from mistakes.
To be fair to Arsene's "detractors," they only got loud in his last 3 seasons with the club which the club was falling in those years. To them, it seemed like the wheels were falling off with Wenger in charge (which they were starting to) while clubs like Man City and Chelsea were getting new managers and winning league titles. I used to follow AFTV and a lot of people just look at the shouting and ranting as if these people really hated Arsene. They were annoyed with him staying "too long" but more fed up with the club. They acknowledge his legacy but felt the club shouldn't simply be defined by only him. For me, the writing on the wall for Arsene was blowing the league to Leicester City in 2016. All of the big clubs except Arsenal were doing poorly, were out of sorts and in transition phases so it was the easiest opportunity to win the league and then blew it to a club that had narrowly escaped relegation the previous season, had a fraction of the salary, who Arsenal also defeated both home & away. That was quite the indictment on Arsene's ability.
Everything past 2015 was a joke. The summer window of 2015 was such a slap into the face. If Wenger thought: This is the best side I can assamble + Cech, than Arsenal fans weren't that delusional to say:Wtf? I also think the magnifying effect of people shouting on Social media-making everyone else believe all Arsenal fans are against him, is overstated. The years of not spending but charging exuberant were the build up for the pay off of his last few years. And the pay off was not good at all.
It's difficult. As a rival fan (Chelsea) I can't lie I never felt Arsenal were a serious threat for the last 10 years or so of his reign, one thing in particular where I really understood Arsenal fans frustrations was his 'pet project' players - he gave players who were never gunna be good enough WAY too much time rather than cutting loose, but I was very much in the "be careful what you wish for" camp all the same. He was keeping them in the conversation all the time with squads that could've easily fallen away under lesser managers. The match where I felt maybe it's time for him to step aside was the 0-3 defeat vs. City in the league, after the 0-3 defeat in the League Cup final. Even as a Chelsea fan that was depressing to watch lol
@@HHHBFResurrected I was always cinfused by how people could take us serious at all in the last seasons. Wenger was always really good at putting away the small sides mostly at home. If your name wasn't stoke and your below 13th in the table .. you had a hard time. This is where he got his points from. Have we got a manager till now, that can replecate that? No. One thing that does not get mentioned is the carry job that mainly Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Özil did till 2017. There were some quality players offensively. But sorry. He never brought a good keeper or a really good defender past ~ 2010 into the club with or without money. And the Mustafi Xhaka Laca, Mkhi transfers were by far not his best signings. It was just piling up. The club failed at having a plan after him. By far. So many wrong choices by the wrong people. It took a shipwreck for people to realize, that this boat doesn't float itself.
@@shirohige6024 Totally via the small team bullying but that shouldn't be undersold, although he never really built on that it's a very good foundation to work from. The thing he had until the last 3-4 years was he gave Arsenal a very strong identity (also shouldn't be undersold), youngers today don't even know 'boring boring Arsenal' was a thing for a long arse time and that's a testament to him. Although he was competing against bigger, bright dogs I had the impression from around 10-16 if you'd got a top manager in you could've REALLY kicked on & became something special because of him. And yeah lol... it's very apparent now Arsenal had no clue what to do when he decided to call it a day & were probably never keeping him in place to find that perfect replacement when the time was right.
@@HHHBFResurrected Problem is: They said: Arsene please go now. Thing is the guys like Gazidis and Raul Sanlehi that chose the next manager were total frauds and we partialy knew it. They would have never managed the situation well and I give my word on that. Heck the move after was also risky af. And what we are hanging on atm is the hope, that he will develop into a good one. But the options were dry too (Benitez, Mourinho at that time). We had an identity ... which also based on failing over and over and beeing a pushover. Its not the whole but it is a big one. Also the mystic about Wenger was held up very well. No one was allowed to do any critiscism in public without getting bombarded, because : Oh he was so good in the past. But in the present (2010s) You would not have called him a wordclass manager. In the end he would have had to step down one day. And it was hardly getting any better. Lots of people didn't want to see him continuebin order to not see him struggle. We wouldn't have dipped as low in 2020/21 with him. But one day, hebwould have stepped down and we would have had to go through the struggle. There is biologicly no way around it. And to build a longterm project around a close to 70 year old is also a hard sell. That isn't sustainable by itself.
@@04foreverinvincible69 Wenger should be a psychologist. He has successfully brainwashed the majority of the Arsenal fanbase into accepting mediocrity and accepting 4th place as a trophy.
Real reason is cuz he HAD NO MONEY!! He is the second greatest EPL manager ever so be RESPECTFUL If he had 1 billion like Pep he would have been more successful. NO DOUBT
@@ihsaanilhaam743 i mean Arsenal was still competitive even when Arsene got no money. But if you want to continue being a title contender you have to spend big bulks every year. And I mean Leicester and WHU are both top 4 contenders at most, same to Arsenal's last couple of years under Wenger
@@ihsaanilhaam743 Wengers Arsenal is miles ahead of the Leicesters and west hams of this era. Between the two of them they've only tasted champions league football once in the last decade
@@ihsaanilhaam743 so ur saying that Lecister was expected to win the league every yr? or West Ham? the shit Wenger did with Arsenal is exaclty what's going on with Leicester they both tried claiming back the league but bcs they had no money Leicester was only able to be happy with Europa League football, whilst Arsenal were expected to be in a title race
How many fans of clubs across the UK get to experience a title winning team, in fact a couple of different title winning teams.. Then how many get to see the likes of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires.. and have the likes of Gilberto, Campbell & Vieira... Seeing them playing week in week out, with WengerBall, the most entertaining football the UK has seen. Lucky. The problem is people got spoiled and thought they were entitled to that.. Well.. you are not. What Wenger did in his final years was still good, and still a good representation of Arsenal as a football club. True gent and philosopher of football.
Though I am a Chelsea fan, I really liked how Arsenal played back in 03-04, infact many of my friends became arsenal fans during this era. Interesting insight though.
He did great for Arsenal His tacitcs/tikki takka Problem was MONEY Some fans was so toxic and treated him like trash... They seem to think manager is an easy task which we just close one eye for the job.... Anyway , miss those times under Wenger Henry , Bergkamp , Viera , Pires , Ljunberg , Van Persie , Fabregas , walcott , Rosicky , Adebayor ,Arshavin , Hlebb ,Cole , Campbell , Lehmann
He secured Arsenals longterm future, what he came into and what he left for others to build upon were light years apart. New Stadium, World Class Academy, financially stable, the list goes on.
A revelation in his first ten years. But wasnt the same Manager in his next ten years. And to much of a yes man for the Arsenal board. Almost acting like their accountant. And he should have stood down when he and Arsenal won their first major honour in 9 Years, (FA Cup) in 2014 And still Qualified for the Champions league. In which Wenger failed to do in his last two season of his tenure. 2016/17, 2017/18
great video!! i wholeheartedly believe that if Wenger had built a team of strong physical but technical players around Fabregas instead of players who were similar to him, things would have been different
Arsenal was bound to sink but Arsene Wenger managed to keep them up as long as he could that’s why at the end of his reign, he started to be out of his depth. The Arsenal fans wanted Wenger out because of « 4th is a trophy » and now finishing in the top 4 is their biggest ambition.
He wasn’t directly responsible, but indirectly responsible. He should’ve left earlier, him leaving was what was needed for change but he stayed on way too long. Sometimes if you really love something but you’re part of what’s holding it back, you leave in order to let it flourish. But he didn’t, he stayed and in my opinion he’s therefore partly but not fully responsible for the general complacency and relative lack of trophies from 2005 - 2018
It was never "his fault"! He helped to transform the club, the English football, and to give us many joys and unforgettable moments. At the last end, he was still doing an amazing job, give the pieces that he has, and in the same era that his directly competitors were basically "dream teams".
8 years of almost unrivaled success followed by 14 years of abject failure. I mean everyone wants to pretend he was great, but if he was so great, why did he not manage to land another managerial job after Arsenal? He made his intention to continue coaching known, so it's not like he wanted to retire, he's constantly being linked with new jobs as recently as August of 2021 but nothing ever happens. Because he wasn't as good as people let on, he had a touch that faded way before 2010, you can say that the cautious approach he was forced to adopt during the stadium years stunted his ability to challenge for anything in the years after the stadium was done. I mean there were at least two seasons that Arsenal should definitely have won between 2013 and 2018, but one was the season where no big teams made any big moves, the Premier League was the least competitive in years, Arsenal could of had a great team had Wenger spent more than 10 in the transfer market to buy a better striker and defender but... Leicester ended up winning that season instead. I felt that after that, that was the end of Wenger's time in Arsenal, the season after Arsenal slumped to their worst finish under Wenger and started the decent into mid table obscurity. There is a good reason why Wenger hasn't got a job now.
Another point is wenger had a good set of defenders in the beginning because of which arsenal were able to compete well with manutd. But then after those players retired he replaced them with toure who was not even a defender. How did a brilliant manager replace genius defenders with kolo toure? This defensive weakness is why arsenal couldnt beat manutd for so many years since offensively henry was there. This is why manutd swept the league for so many years even though arsenal had henry and bergkamp. People act like arsenal were in the top 2 with substandard players. Which doesnt make sense. Henry bergkamp pires vieira were alm amazing players. What arsenal missed was defensive strength. And arsenal was leaking goals to inferior teams and getting draws while manutd was edging wins because defensively they were strong.
U don't understand football tbh I'm not an arsenal fan but the downfall of arsenal is the fault of the owners If you think Wenger is to blame u guys deserve every failure that comes ur way
"released: 20 seconds ago" "8 views, 0 likes' I know it will be good, so lemme change that to 1 and yes, it was good; a nice nostalgic throwback into former fan favorite success not an Arsenal fan either, but Wenger + Arsenal deserve their sympathy like Klopp + Liverpool did later in the PL
I'm not normally one to comment on Football TH-cam videos, but I think you have got this fairly close to the mark. The bit that you seemed to gloss over was how the landscape of the ownership model of Football changed while Arsenal were under such financial constraints with the new stadium. They made the decision to move grounds and then the Billionaires came into the game. At that point, Arsenal were in a no man's land and had to proceed and adjust. It was very unfortunate and quite unpredictable. It is a testament to Wenger that he kept Arsenal competitive during this time. Yes, he made some mistakes and yes, he remained loyal to some players for longer than he should have. Ultimately though, the ownership of the club is front and centre. Kronke is a cancer on this club and Wenger attempted to hold the Footballing side together by showing loyalty to the owner. That has always been his default position, but was ultimately the reason why he came in for such criticism from the fans. Most could not see the behind the scenes and laid the blame at his feet, largely because he fronted the club and accepted the criticism. It was only after Wenger left that most fans began to see the reality of the problems caused by the owners.
Cheers for the comment! That is a very good point that I hadn't thought about. How were they supposed to know that Billionaires would start using football teams as pet project. Really hard situation to be in having just made such a huge commitment.
That was very true of the 5-6 years following the completion of the stadium, it is indeed very hard when you have to compete with United who already have a large stadium, Chelsea who have sugar daddy funding and no plans to move to a bigger stadium (so no costs) and Man City who had a stadium built and sold to them for peanuts. However when you look at 2013 onwards, the stadium construction costs have been almost paid back and Wenger is having large budgets to work with. Yet that was arguably the worst part of his 18 years in charge.
Kroenke's have gotten a lot of blame and i dont know a single fan who likes their ownership. Kroenke's, gazidis and AW all share some blame in the downfall. And yes, some just unfortunate timing as well with the stadium which was such a huge burden for way too long.
Funny how most of the defensive comments are from fans of other clubs. But yeh, he made Arsenal comedy central for other fans from the 2008 birmingham game onwards. A blind non-acceptance that his tactics needed change. And also advertised to the whole football world that they were a selling club. Buying a stadium was a problem but its not a problem unique to just Arsenal is it? I remember an amazing team goal Vieira scored at Liverpool. But no one remembers it cos a youngster then scored a 35 yard winner for Liverpool. That goal sums the late Wenger era up in a nutshell. that and his loving respect for deserters like cole van persie nasri
As a young boy (who isn't British) I legit though Arsenal was named after Wenger, he became their manager before I was born and left after I hit my 21th birthday. I grew out of that, but still think that idea is endearing lol
Fabrigas could be a club legend if he had stayed and in course we could have achieved PL. He was undoubtedly one of the few best playmakers while his time at arsenal. I vaguely remember watching him coming as a sub and scoring two goals around 2008-09. He made me fall in love with Arsenal and how they play and from then the mostly searched string in my web browser history were "Arsenal Transfer news " and "cesc fabrigas". it was a poetry on field and i was deeply hurt when he left for Barcelona.
Excuses...Excuses....Excuses. Wenger dug his own grave, the 'Fabregas being the reason Wenger changed his tactics' is utter BS because if that were true, he would have bought Fabregas from Barca in 2014 instead of Ozil. Wenger changed his tactics because of the Champions League loss to barca and then switched his formation from 4-4-2 Counter Attacking football to 4-2-3-1 possession based because that's what Barca played. And Wenger knew he could win domestic titles with a counter attacking football but he was always known as a stubborn ass so he eventually fell on his sword in trying to win with 'Wengerball'. The excuse of a lack of player transfers due to the stadium debt is also BS because as clubs like Leicester have shown: you don't need to buy big name players to win the PL Title, and btw Arsenal STILL HAVE NOT won the title after signing Aubameyang, Lacazette, Ozil, Xhaka, Mustafi, Pepe, Partey and now Ben White. The ownership is a valid reason because the board's and Kroenke's business model is dependent on a lot of publicity, shirt and merchandising sales and sponsorship revenues and that directly affected player transfers, after the Ozil transfer which made arsenal a lot of profits from shirt sales and increased their brand exposure, every signing had to make the same impact but didn't need to make any impact on the football pitch. Now with AFTV turning arsenal fans into customers, Kroenke's position is stronger than ever. In short Wenger could have done better with the cards he was dealt with if he was practical and pragmatic instead of principled and stubborn so YES....he is to BLAME.
Again a good video how are you so consistent, just asking but would you make a video on the one of the best midfielder of this decade like XAVI, INIESTA, MULLER, DE BRUYNE, OZIL etc. You made various on 1900s to 2010s on carrick, scholes, lampard , gerard, etc etc. Tbh Cesc is also one this decade and you have made a video and he is also in video but still.......
He consistently got top 4 with the likes of Kieran Giibs, Frimpong, Squilachi, Gervinho, Alex Song, Park Chi Sung, I could go on and on. Just average players. He had an amazing core with world class players like RVP and Fabregas, Ramsey, Koscienly that he identified for almost no money. The problem was simply a lack of transfer funds for a good bench. Look af Guardiola and even Arteta now. They buy players for £100 million for the bench. There is never a weak length in the team and when a key player goes down with injury there is an adeauate back up. Wenger was an absolute genius during this time. I sincrrely believe we were much closer than people realised and with just slightly more money - we wouldnt have lost Ashley Cole and we would have had just enough depth overall to allow the world class players like Fabregas to carry us to a title or two. Either way, Wengers achievements during this time actually amazing and are conpletely underated and distored. He could not have dine any better
another link with Klopp, he managed to break the hegemony of Bayern Munich, arguably the Man United of the Bundesliga. A league luckily not suffering from shaky sheikhs or greedy gringos, as the Premier League fell victim to... hence why Arsenall fell back against the PL competition and Dortmund could keep their 2nd/3rd team and CL qualifier status.
Consistent top 4 with 4-5 title pushes where they finished 2nd 3 times and 3 rd 2 times while selling the best players each year building a new stadium academy infrastructure for training and so on.....Arsenal even has housing projects:))) its a juggernaut from a bussines front...... commercially altough not having more than 55-60% of fans worldwide compared to a team like United they make sort of like 85% of their revenues which shows us they have other revenue streams....they diversified which is unbelievable:))).Arsenal never had defenders....i mean they usually had starting 4 which were excellent but never had options....
After Arsenal won the invincle season, the scouting team asked for Essien, got told they had a 5 mil budget.. Steve Rowley, the man who discovered Tony Adams, quit after the signing of Xhaka and Mustafi. Why not ask your Klopp, Guardiola, Pochettino or whoever to work in these conditions. See how many years before they quit.
There was also the resignation of David Dein over some boardroom stuff. Him and Wenger were a perfectly functional duo. Dein was replaced by incompetent people, indeed of a much lower calibre than the collaborators of Klopp and Guardiola.
I'm not an Arsenal fan, but if you take a look at the last 10 seasons and remove Chelsea and City (just an idea, y'know cuz money) you get Arsenal results on par with the 00s, the only time Arsenal finished above either one was when Leicester won. Results without City and Chelsea (just removed them, didn't look into individual games) 2013: 2nd 2014: 2nd 2015: 1st 2016: 2nd 2017: 3rd 2018: 4th 2019: 3rd 2020: 6th 2021: 6th 2022: 3rd To me Arsenal looks like a club that didn't manage to keep up with the times. Time to watch the video 1:37 in and I've already spent far too long writing, formulating and looking up data for this comment
I’m an Arsenal fan, but in England the landscape of the game kept evolving. You couldn’t do tiki-taka season after season after season. You got found out. Wenger didn’t have an eye for evolution, Plan B or most importantly, defence. In his time, Fergie bought Stam, Ferdinand, Vidic. Apart from Sol Campbell (on came in on a free) I can’t name one world class centre back he signed or developed. He didn’t need money to create attacking players, so why couldn’t he create a solid defence with the same resources? Create a team that was hard to crack. There was no trophy for pretty football at the end of the season. It was same old, same old for years and Arsenal just got found out
Wenger's legacy will only get better over time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We really had it good whilst he was here, and what he did for the club will have an impact for many more years to come.
A combination of things.The emergance of cash rich Chelsea,a squad that needed replacing due to their age, the financial burden of a new stadium and the emergance of a new breed of managers with new systems all conspired against him. But given those circumstances, what he achieved was remarkable,there were 16/17 teams in the league for all those 'down' years who would have happily traded league positions.what most people also seem to forget is Arsenes contribution not just to Arsenal but English football as a whole,even Sir Alex credited Arsene with bringing about fundamental changes in,health,diet,science etc. when he arrived. Im a sunday league fan so dont have a dog in this race but from a neutral point of view him and Sir Alex are the greatest managers the league has seen,not just for their coaching but for the dynasties they built. Modern fans are fickle,dreamers,short sighted,have even shorter memories,have little patience and demand instant success at any cost to their club,all while moaning how much a ticket costs. They dont understand that success and sustained success comes from stability.
And now, as an arsenal fan, I expect 6 points from Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham every season. Arteta's transfer and wage funding was essentially secured by Arsene Wenger. Exciting times for Arsenal.
Hurt to watch, m8. Cannot say I agree with it all, but like always, you do your research and the content is great. Some truths hurt, but such is life, especially in football.
I was surprised no mention of some of the terrible buys he made like Chamakh, Mustafi and that Korean striker, plus dozens of others, especially dodgy defenders. Wenger had money, he just wasted a lot of it. Pound for pound, George Graham was the far superior Arsenal manager.
I would say the decline is down to the horrible finacial decisions, nonsensical transfers that hurt the club, and the fan base itself. I used to watch AFTV before it became what it is today and at the time I enjoyed hearing different viewpoints on the matches, but after a while they mainly focused on ranting fans who belittled everything going on and sponsorships. Pretty much their channel turned the club into a meme and players lost confidence as a result. Not really blaming the fan base on a whole, just the vocal minority that AFTV elevate. Fast-forward to now fans have this entitled mindset that they deserve to be among the elite and the players are under so much pressure to perform. If I was treated how these fans treat the players at my job I would give them a piece of my mind too. Overall from my perspective it's just a collection of mismanagement, horrible transfer choices, and an entitled fan base. No one is perfect I agree, but when you think because you are a big club and you should be where X team is without improvement then you need a reality check. Also props to Troopz from AFTV for his success. The man went from blud, fam, innit and some cringe Jamaican slang to Barstool. So props to him for his success.
The way Arsenal fans treated him was disgusting. Fair enough, he declined massively as a manager, but that was no way to treat the man who did so much for your club.
No he deserved it 3 titles 22 years
6-0 vs to chelsea
6-3 to man city
Constantly getting battered by Liverpool
8-2 to man United
15-3 on aggregate
On top of that he had the chance to sign Kante and chose xhaxa instead he never built a steady back 4 wenger was finished after 2011 he should’ve went years ago
@@04foreverinvincible69 regardless, you don’t turn on a club legend like that. There were better ways to go about it.
The club hasn't recovered yet. In the last few years, he has done so many bad things. But still, I always have respect for him.
@@04foreverinvincible69 still he shouldn’t have been treated like he just committed some war crimes, plus they’re doing much worse without him anyway🤣🤣🤣🤣
You think Arsenal fans treated Wenger badly? You clearly don’t know about the Man Utd and Spurs fans who sang chants about him being a paeodphile for 20 years which is more disgusting than fans wanting Wenger gone for the right reasons:
Highest paid manager in the league and yet was constantly underachieving
Highest ticket prices in Europe for the Emirates with 7 straight CL R16 defeats
14 years without a league title in which we could have won the league 4 times in that period if Wenger had been proactive - the real turning point was when Leicester won the league , one of the most embarrassing moments in the club’s history
We HAD to protest against him just to get our voice heard , we didn’t want to , but however considering how stubborn the board was we had indicate some kind of pressure for change , after all, Arsenal were still getting ridiculed for letting Wenger stay when other clubs (like Chelsea) are ruthless with their managers - Ancelotti got sacked a year after winning the double with Chelsea …
The only manager in premier league history to win the title undefeated, got us champions league football for 16yrs back to back despite not having any transfer funds because of new stadium cost. Wenger deserves respect
16 years of which we only made up the numbers and would be destroyed. Great job.
@@Klash716 dude your talking crap, go home and leave the adults to talk about this
@@PRCOM I'm sorry in which part was I discussing cartoons? Unless you live in an alternative reality Wenger in his 16 CL stints reached one final. The rest was being knocked out in last 16 and the odd quarter final and in the last few years of his time there would lose by basketball scores to Bayern and others. He will be never go down as an elite manger a I cannot name on elite manger that does not have one CL trophy under their name.
@@Klash716 Agreed
@@Klash716 maybe not elite, but definitely one of the premier league all time greats. arsenal wouldn't have had ucl football if wenger left in 2007
Arsenal's decline was no fault of Wenger's, it was purely down to the lack of investment from the board. His genius kept Arsenal relevant and they have fallen off a cliff ever since he left.
Some Arsenal fans should be ashamed of themselves for the abuse and hatred they directed towards their greatest ever manager
Yawn I’m sure the board told him to sign xhaxa instead of Kante
@@04foreverinvincible69 it is totally believable, he wasnt able to spend as much as he wanted, and was critized by the fans and by the board for that, the same board who didnt want to spend.
So yeah when came the moment to spend, im pretty sure he had less power to do anything, and i will add one last thing, people here keep talking about fucking arsene wenger being a bad coach at the end, thats some bullshit, he kept bringing in FA cup, and no thats very valuable titles esp if you look at the team he had in retrospect, this stuff need to stop when people call him a bum, he did better than most coach in the premier league, he wasnt a bum.
George Graham is our greatest manager
@@04foreverinvincible69 You've written the same thing in like 5 comments now. Atleast make the bullshit you right be true. Wenger wanted Kante and Manolas that season and the board could only get him Xhaka and Mustafi. A man who had a eye for talent couldnt tell Kante was bettee than Xhaka? i dont thinks so. He wasnt backed. Since he's left we have spend more than he ever did in the past decade and we finished 8th last season. So you keep yawning with your low IQ
@@MrCaptaincupcakeful dont even know about ur own club. Graham was at arsenal for only a fraction of wenger's time and didnt win that many trophies
Not to mention the fact that he jumped ship to spurs
Such an underrated channel, the content and the work you put to make a vid is amazing, keep up the good work. Looking forward for some more awesome content
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I can't find anything to disagree in this video. However, there are some serious omissions. The chaos at the start of the 2011-12 season made it clear that the manager's job was too big for just one man. Wenger was too stubborn to see this and to accept that he had to work with other people on recruitment allowing himself to focus on managing the first team. Secondly, Arsenal consistently allowed players to run down contracts instead of selling them when they refused to commit to a new deal. For example, Alexis was exchanged for Miki 6 months after Arsenal turned down a £50m offer from City. Had Kroenke taken more control of transfers and managed them with the bottom line in mind, the performances might not have improved but the financial side of the club would have been better. Thirdly, transfer purchases in later years were chronically poor. Mustafi is usually highlighted but he was far from the worst centre-back Wenger bought. Fourthly, both Fabiański and Szczęsny played poorly for Arsenal but have gone on to have successful careers elsewhere (Juve!). They have criticised the goalkeeping coaching at Arsenal. Fifthly, Wenger has been quoted as preferring to focus on strengths rather than weaknesses, buying Ozil after a game in which Arsenal's defensive frailties had been exposed. He refused to learn from heavy defeats. Sixthly, despite having Adams and Vieira in his first decade at Arsenal, Wenger did not seem to value leadership and attitude.
The combination of the stadium, selling their best players to sign mediocre players while his rivals continue to strengthen and failure to adapt to the ever changing climate of football has lead Wenger to his inevitable downfall.
The seasons he should have won the Premier League title is 2008, 2014 and 2016. 2008 to be fair wasn't his fault. Eduardo Da Silva suffered a horrific injury so brutal that the broadcasters had to censor the images on TV against Birmingham. After that the wheels fell off. 2014 despite ending their 9 year trophy drought and signing Mesut Ozil, he couldn't get the job done plus getting humiliated by his rivals 6-3 against City, 5-1 against Liverpool and 6-0 against Chelsea. 2016 was the year where the Manchester clubs weren't at it, Liverpool were mid table mediocrity and Chelsea had a season from hell. Wenger should have invested on a striker when he had the chance but signed a declining Cech and Elneny in the January window. In the end, relegation fodder Leicester City went on to do the unthinkable and won the Premier League title. After that it went up in smoke and failed to get Champions League football on his final 2 years. Arsenal's last Champions League appearance was in 2017 when they got slapped 10-2 on aggregate against Bayern. Those three year I've highlighted was the years Arsenal should have won the league. One wasn't his fault but the other 2 he screwed up.
Wenger is partly responsible for the downfall of Arsenal but they were circumstances that played a role in the decline like forced to sell their best players to finance the Emirates stadium, signing mediocre players and youths never setting a light, change of board and ownership and rivals having more money to strengthen their teams while Arsenal was left behind. Blaming Wenger for everything wrong at Arsenal is wrong. He did get Champions League football every year with poor players and won the FA cup with these sorry lot.
Should have stood down in 2014 when he and Arsenal won their first Major Honour in 9 Years (FA Cup). He didn't even Qualify for top 4 in last two seasons. He was acting like the clubs accountant than that of a manager in his latter years
I am an Arsenal fan who is scared to watch Arsenal play....🥺.
Man United fans 🤝 Arsenal fans
he was really really good, just didnt got the support needed to push more.
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Wenger was similar to Mourinho in the way he was stubborn against criticism. Wenger as manager isn't responsible for the club's finances, he only manages/coaches the playing squad. Ok, the manager is involved in conversations about the list of transfer targets and how to prioritise them, and a long-term manager like Wenger gets a bigger say than the short-term managers today. Wengers reduced squad budget would've been frustrating for him as well as the fans. But I suppose he should've balanced his new total football, possession based team out with 2 or 3 tough guys in amongst them.
What was worst for the match goers was that they were watching this reduced budget team, but they were paying for the most expensive tickets of any club in the world... the fans only live once. They work for their money, pay for tickets, and want to support genuine ambition to compete for the top titles, and their club weren't doing that.
Wenger had a great track record of developing talents other coaches hadn't rated as highly... but he pushed that squad budget-management too far in the end.
Not watched the video yet but the player quality went down after the Invincibles season. Between 96 and 05 they had the likes of Tony Adams, Sol Campbell, Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Seaman, Lehmann, Ashley Cole and loads more. That was just top of my head. Beween 06 and 18 they had Nasri, Bendtner, Chamakh, Gervinho, Szczesny, Alex Song. The drop off is almost laughable.
When I think of Wenger I think of the invincibles ❤️. Man united fan here
I love your football docs man!
You make great content!
You forgot about the injuries
what he had to endure, build and sustain back then, allows today's and future managers to be able to spend and buy players at the costs that were unheard of during his reign, because of the albatross of a stadium. He sowed the seeds, but did not reap the full benefits
The way he was treated by the fans was disgraceful, after everything he did for them
Ahh sad, a joy to watch but hard to get by (particularly in that era) with pure football alone. There were a few strong title pushes derailed by injuries to key players, Van Persie on more than one occasion but also Santi Cazorla and others, a what if but each time Arsenal fell away after dominating early on and injuries were a big part. It got to the point people were questioning Arsenal’s medical set-up. Arsenal did actually suffer more injuries than other teams they were competing against, partly as they liked to play possession football and therefore had the ball at their feet longer per game but coupled with the fact Arsenal were brutalised by teams who could not out-football them, the type of foul that permanently stunted Diaby’s career was a fairly regular occurrence. Something that would not have been the case in Viera’s day, that’s perhaps Wenger’s biggest oversight but geez some Arsenal fans need their heads examined for how he was treated. The atmosphere at the Emirate’s was toxic at times, who’s to say how many points decent support is worth per season, maybe could of tipped them over the line those few years they were close?
Wenger was a real genius and truly a football professor. Pained me to see him leave the way he did and oh what an ungrateful fanbase the arsenal fans really are.
Love what you do bro. I have a request tho. Can you do one on Xabi Alonso? He’s such an underrated baller that people barely talk about
This explains some issues between the invincibles and say 2013... but this does not explain the 5 year period of decline and failure to improve within the top 4. Failing to beat LEICESTER, isn't an issue of "investment," it's the fact that he was naive and didn't really make big moves to kick up the squad.
He trusted players too much and as the modern game was changing, he lost his identity within it. Trying to copy Klopp's system or Pep's or even Conte's (3 at the back), but not having one of his own especially on a defensive level. Keeping his backroom staff the same were others, like Fergie, kept updating. I mean you just cannot excuse the failure at the end with simple financial excuses.
We got turned over regularly by big teams when even smaller teams could hold their own vs those same counterparts. Arsenal getting regularly beat 6-0 is not a good sign that your manager can compete anymore and there were too many embarrassments to not be a trend of the way he set up the team. Those last couple of season purchases were embarrassing as well, Lacazette, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Cech, Ospina... he really lost his touch.
I think he should have more acknowledgement from the club. I truly felt he live for Arsenal. I believe the whole club in fact owes him a favour. It was sad to see the backlash on him from the fans.
Wenger was quite close to winning 3 more league titles. They suffered major injuries to key players 2 seasons running in the late 2000s when they were top around February; and slipped back in the year Leicester won it. As a United fan even though Arsenal were rivals I think the way Wenger was driven out to retire from the club was a disgrace.
How does any football manager fall from finishing the whole season unbeaten in the Premier League the toughest league in the world? Please tell me I’ll wait
2 very very important players in db10 and viera. Wenger decided to ex them after 2006 now that's the downfall of arsenal and Wenger started. If only he stick with them 2 before prematurely bringing up another young team of cesc, arsenal could have dominate for a few more years. It's a miscalculation of wenger purely.
Not your best work man.
Didnt mention anything we didn't know already.
Still left a like tho.
Wenger was stubborn at times. Losing key players like Viera, Henry, Flamini, Fabregas, Ashley Cole, Van Persie at their prime showed lack of ambition by Arsene Wenger. Especially when Arsenal were offered chance to resign Fabregas but wenger refused.
One may try and blame those players but Arsene wenger was a joker. I refuse to blame the club owners, Wenger had the club backing.
Collectively more than half of Arsenal fans we were thinking Wenger should leave as if he was the problem I had a feeling that is not the case but at some point I thought the same. Now let’s all look at the situation a couple years after he left?
I dont even remember what is like to watch my team in the champions league!!!
Let’s hope Arteta and the young guys can do it this year and turn things around!
In as much as I understand the analysis,Wenger has a massive part to play in the decline of the club.
The sheer refusal to change tactics to suit the players he had. Arsenal we're always 1 or 2 good players from winning the title, for instance, the season that Leicester won the title, Arsenal we're a striker and a defensive midfielder away from tipping Leicester to it.
It's not as if Wenger was running Arsenal for free, he was being rewarded by new deals and higher pay. He decided to sell himself for the money.
Also, Wenger was given money, he used it poorly. This guy brought in Debuchy and Chambers both right back positions at the same time. Why didn't he take that money and buy one quality right back? Same with Xhaka...it's called pennywise, pound foolish!
His mentality was in the gutter, he was happy to settle...he said and I quote tight around 2009 to 12"...it is better to play in the CL than win FA cup. That was a wicked and insensitive statement during a trophy drought that fans had to endure...I was done with him at this point!
He also refused buying a defensive midfielder. A proper manager in football, once they see that the board doesn't align with their plans to win trophies, they don't stay loyal to such people. Wenger knew what Kronke was all about and stood by him, meaning that he supported the decline...he painted it as the philosophy of the club didn't allow him spend big...
...by extension of the above point, this guy lied to the fans and was arrogant. He got angry when his failures were challenged by the press. He gave the fans false hope...at the end of every season, we wouldsay ok, next season and then have a poor transfer window!
This guy just refused to change! People commenting here that fans were unfair to him are extremely DISINGENUOUS! Have they forgotten the banners in Wenger we trust...how many chances can you give one man? Does that make sense? Fans stood by the dude for 9 trophy less yrs! What other loyalty do you want? Wengers cup was full and pouring over and the fans had enough and rightly so...
Now the same courtesy is being shown to Arteta making the club to continually go down the drain, he too will receive a similar treatment soon as it's clear that he will also fail!
So yes, Wenger is a massive part of the decline and deserved fully what he got at the end! He should have honourably stepped down years ago and the owner would have been exposed...the fans would have gone after the owner till he sold the club to someone more ambitious just like Benitez did with Newcastle as nd look at the results now.
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What Wenger managed to achieve with the amount of resourses he had availiable was criminally underrated. Does anybody think that Guardiola, Klopp or Conte could do better than top 4 if they had to sell their best players every year only to replace them with much cheaper alternatives?
Klopp literally won UCL & EPL by doing that...
@Terrance Tibbs when it was only big 4 and most midtable teams couldn't afford foreign players.
Blame the owners .simple
@@mikerodrigues2906 yes. The owners are the one who pick the starting 11.
@@RafaelSantos-di5yw Nope, when he won EPL and CL, he had already built a great team.
It is easier to see these issues more clearly in hindsight. At the time, fans did not know how little was actually invested in the club. Wenger, being a professional, did not speak up against the ownership or the board during his time there. This unfortunately led to him taking the blame for the state of the club and hurting his legacy when the real blame lied with the ownership.
I mean bendtner was on our books for years till 2014 along with the fact that a DM wasn’t brought in after 2013 it started to become obvious that wenger wasn’t getting the necessary investment
Well..
EXACTLY.
he did a good job seeing Arsenal through the financial transition of the Emirates ( though some poor decisions made in finance to not compete for that long after moving a stadium when we look at other teams not crippled by such a move). Still, he stayed too long and his approach to football was way in the past. Arsenal's scouting had to be totally revamped the past few years because it was so so dated. Football is very data-driven now, and thats not the type of manager AW was. He was also too sentimental to a fault trusting in players that just weren't good enough. AW had to go for the club to change. Even the awkward Emery phase was necessary, but AW was keeping the club in a stagnant state while football kept moving on.
@@Ray03595 LOL what a bunch of crap. Arsenal will never be as good as they were with Wenger EVER AGAIN. HAHAHAHAHA
For all the things Wenger did for Arsenal, he was chased out of Arsenal with sticks. Like yeah he was declining as a manager and was not able to keep up with the evolving game but the way he was chased out still leaves a bitter taste. He was and always will be a Arsenal Legend even if the last few years had been riddled with mistakes and errors.
He should’ve been fired 10 years earlier this guy chose to pay more for xhaxa than Kante embarrassing
fans throwing stones in a glass house he built for them
@@04foreverinvincible69 He still did good not good enough tho.
Did you forget how opposing fans used to sing 'Arsene Wenger we want you to stay'? Jesus, people have such a short memory, they remember whatever suits them and their one dimensional view of the world. Every other club wanted Wenger to remain at Arsenal because they knew Arsenal will never be a threat again with him in charge. That's why likes of Gary Neville were saying 'be careful what you wish for' - he knew it is better for United if Wenger stays. Now, signing Emery or Arteta instead is a completely another matter - Wenger had to go, end of story.
@@04foreverinvincible69 but the decline started in 05
Your videos are of such good presentation imo, you should be used as a reference or refresher for others in how it should be done.
Cheers, buddy!
He has arguably some of the best content on TH-cam
You are actually right sir
His tactics left a lot to be desired for in his last years, as well as his inability to instill a fighting spirit in the team and the defensive fragility. Having said that, he was not supported enough in the transfer market (especially after the stadium was built) and his late 90s - early 00s period cements him as an Arsenal legend, Arsene's Invincibles will always be a legendary side.
His team was winding down in 2005
Yeah, he had podolski but never played him.
You can't install fighting spirit when the players you have wouldn't have a clue what fighting spirit was.
his teams had spirit. more spirit then artetas and Emerys . they always came back from 2-0 down and etc. defied the odds all the time. you are just spitting media narrative
@@miltonhatzidakis3351 no they don't have spirit unless you were referring to the pre emirates team. There's a reason why patrice evra called them babies for all those years.
Wenger made Arsenal relevant all over the World. His style of Football made people connect with Arsenal. He revolutionalised English Football and people like me from the Countries became fans of Football and Arsenal - begun to like Football because of him and Ferguson. He wasn't backed financially and he still kept Arsenal relevant for more than 2 decades. Cannot think of any other manager other than these two legends to do it for so long and SAF was backed every single year of his reign.
Wenger's clubs always played good footie until his retirement. Wenger's players also IMO got better under him, there just wasn't much talent at the end. I think his biggest problem was that he just kept selling his best players to rival clubs. He pretty much gave the title to Man U when he handed them RVP a title they could have won w/ VanPersie (the whole thanks for the league title here's Danny Welbeck was just twisting the knife). For a while it also seemed like Arsenal was Man City's farm club. And OK sure, players want to go sometimes, and if say City wants to pay for a squad player like when spurs sold Kyle Walker, fine, but for the stars just jeez ship them out the country like Liverpool or Spurs do.
I loved Wenger and I get the financial backing argument m, but apart from Sol Campbell, how many world class centre backs did he develop like he did with attacking players? He never had an eye for the defensive side of the game, and at the end of the day, this is England. Pretty football was only going to last so long
@@PaddyMac should have stood down in 2014 when him and Arsenal won their first Major Honour in 9 Years (the FA Cup) gone out on a high. He stayed on four years to long.
A giant of a man, with an even bigger legacy. Building a new stadium was ahead of its time. You only have to look at spurs and other clubs for the costs involved now. The stadium is his legacy. That and he made arsenal relevant and competitive over his era. England is blessed to have a lot of clubs with rich histories and trophies in the cabinet but he took arsenal to another level. Relevant in terms of arsenal being considered a big 2 then 4 the 6 club during a time of massive media exposure. Losing dein was the biggest blow and I think wenger took on more responsibility with getting the transfer right/making the numbers add up. Spot on about viera. In the latter years arsenal were viewed as a bit soft and wenger never brought or found another viera type player who be offended at the though of losing. I think in his 2nd last season arsenal finished 5th with 75 points. Probably the highest points total for a club that missed out on champions league football. Honestly all things being equal I think he worked miracles at the club, played entertaining football and if any of us were playing a football manager game we all be aiming to replicate everything he achieved.
He didn't build a stadium. Good Architects and builders, build a stadium
Not firing wenger sooner was the downfall of this club when he sold van persie to man united of all clubs that should’ve been the straw that broke the camels back. Even if van persie pushed for the move they should’ve place him on the bench for the rest of his contract 3 Premier league in 22 years just embarrassing
Football is money nowadays. The board would take it out of his hands, like they have done many times before.
like liverpool never won the premier league during that era lol
Ur point is BS
Wenger is the legend. Only 2 out of 21 years outside the top 4..
Post Wenger, Arsenal finished 8th and 8th despite the massive investments.
Just to remind everyone that Wenger did that with players like Chamakh, Squilaci and relying on academy products. Such an achievement.
3 leagues in 22 years
Back when Spurs & Liverpool are a joke
@@jagmaharesi2486 Arsenal is the joke now I suppose.. At least, Spur is still is a joke..
@@UGRdelver they have been a joke for quite some time. Spurs actually were giving everyone a run for their money not long ago.
@@jagmaharesi2486 spurs lol,at ours worst year we re winning more trophy than their golden generation team.that finish 3rd into 2 team title race
Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of funny that Arsen-al's most famous coach is called Arsen-e?
It's a little crazy haha
His name was actually part of the reason they chose to hire him.
Nah I thought the country Czech was named after him
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@2:57 MONEY It's bloody money. 2004-2005 Chelsea win and then for the next 10 years it was Chelsea, United and City, untouchable deep pockets. 3 for Chelsea, 5 for United and 2 for City. To add insult to injury in the next 8 years after that so from 2014-2022, it's Chelsea (1), Leicester (1), Liverpool (1) and City 5 so 2 outliers but otherwise, it's the same 2 clubs. In fact
Given Arsene failed to realise that his vision for Arsenal just wasn't going to cut it, 7 clubs have won a PL title in 31 seasons. Only 4 have won multiple. The reality is that from 2004/2005 onwards in order to win a PL you had to have some deep pockets and while Leicester won in 2015-2016 Arsenal came within spitting distance in 07-08 where unfortunately they dropped crucial points after Eduardo's horrible leg break.
@9:38 Ashley Cole, Van Persie, Gnabry, Szczensy and Oxlade-Chamberlain. To name a few that were missed out.
Imo Wenger was an idealist. He would persist rather than change. That's what did for him in the end. There was a time when im sure he thought Arsenal could play in the premiership with diminutive players like Barca. At that time Barca were the best team in Europe. To me he didn't full accept that the Premier League is officiated differently than in Spain. He would spend large amounts of money on attack minded players like a Arshavin, Ozill, but neglect his defense. If those players weren't working out he would persist rather than admit wrong doing. He would look to buy bargain basement CB's. That coupled with small midfield players meant Arsenal had no steal to exist in the Premiership against aggressive direct teams who would benefit from the reffereeing approach in England that allowed you to be more aggresive. To his detriment he was held back by financial restraints but he had an all too cosy relationship with the board. He was not the type of guy to lay the blame at their feet and kept everything in house. The fans therefore turned their frustrations on him. The board were happy ticking along getting the CL qualification money and spending little. Wenger had become too big at the club and was able to turn his tenure into his own personal project to massage his ego. He was a great manager but he became too big for Arsenal imo. There was no accountability and that meant the pressure wasn't there to learn from mistakes.
To be fair to Arsene's "detractors," they only got loud in his last 3 seasons with the club which the club was falling in those years. To them, it seemed like the wheels were falling off with Wenger in charge (which they were starting to) while clubs like Man City and Chelsea were getting new managers and winning league titles. I used to follow AFTV and a lot of people just look at the shouting and ranting as if these people really hated Arsene. They were annoyed with him staying "too long" but more fed up with the club. They acknowledge his legacy but felt the club shouldn't simply be defined by only him.
For me, the writing on the wall for Arsene was blowing the league to Leicester City in 2016. All of the big clubs except Arsenal were doing poorly, were out of sorts and in transition phases so it was the easiest opportunity to win the league and then blew it to a club that had narrowly escaped relegation the previous season, had a fraction of the salary, who Arsenal also defeated both home & away. That was quite the indictment on Arsene's ability.
Everything past 2015 was a joke. The summer window of 2015 was such a slap into the face. If Wenger thought: This is the best side I can assamble + Cech, than Arsenal fans weren't that delusional to say:Wtf?
I also think the magnifying effect of people shouting on Social media-making everyone else believe all Arsenal fans are against him, is overstated. The years of not spending but charging exuberant were the build up for the pay off of his last few years. And the pay off was not good at all.
It's difficult. As a rival fan (Chelsea) I can't lie I never felt Arsenal were a serious threat for the last 10 years or so of his reign, one thing in particular where I really understood Arsenal fans frustrations was his 'pet project' players - he gave players who were never gunna be good enough WAY too much time rather than cutting loose, but I was very much in the "be careful what you wish for" camp all the same. He was keeping them in the conversation all the time with squads that could've easily fallen away under lesser managers.
The match where I felt maybe it's time for him to step aside was the 0-3 defeat vs. City in the league, after the 0-3 defeat in the League Cup final. Even as a Chelsea fan that was depressing to watch lol
@@HHHBFResurrected I was always cinfused by how people could take us serious at all in the last seasons. Wenger was always really good at putting away the small sides mostly at home. If your name wasn't stoke and your below 13th in the table .. you had a hard time. This is where he got his points from. Have we got a manager till now, that can replecate that? No. One thing that does not get mentioned is the carry job that mainly Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Özil did till 2017. There were some quality players offensively. But sorry. He never brought a good keeper or a really good defender past ~ 2010 into the club with or without money. And the Mustafi Xhaka Laca, Mkhi transfers were by far not his best signings. It was just piling up.
The club failed at having a plan after him. By far. So many wrong choices by the wrong people. It took a shipwreck for people to realize, that this boat doesn't float itself.
@@shirohige6024 Totally via the small team bullying but that shouldn't be undersold, although he never really built on that it's a very good foundation to work from. The thing he had until the last 3-4 years was he gave Arsenal a very strong identity (also shouldn't be undersold), youngers today don't even know 'boring boring Arsenal' was a thing for a long arse time and that's a testament to him. Although he was competing against bigger, bright dogs I had the impression from around 10-16 if you'd got a top manager in you could've REALLY kicked on & became something special because of him.
And yeah lol... it's very apparent now Arsenal had no clue what to do when he decided to call it a day & were probably never keeping him in place to find that perfect replacement when the time was right.
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Problem is: They said: Arsene please go now. Thing is the guys like Gazidis and Raul Sanlehi that chose the next manager were total frauds and we partialy knew it. They would have never managed the situation well and I give my word on that. Heck the move after was also risky af. And what we are hanging on atm is the hope, that he will develop into a good one. But the options were dry too (Benitez, Mourinho at that time).
We had an identity ... which also based on failing over and over and beeing a pushover. Its not the whole but it is a big one. Also the mystic about Wenger was held up very well. No one was allowed to do any critiscism in public without getting bombarded, because : Oh he was so good in the past. But in the present (2010s) You would not have called him a wordclass manager.
In the end he would have had to step down one day. And it was hardly getting any better. Lots of people didn't want to see him continuebin order to not see him struggle.
We wouldn't have dipped as low in 2020/21 with him. But one day, hebwould have stepped down and we would have had to go through the struggle. There is biologicly no way around it. And to build a longterm project around a close to 70 year old is also a hard sell. That isn't sustainable by itself.
Best thing to ever happen to Arsenal, will always be my goat. *LE PROFESSEUR*
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Ey cheers brother!!
love your content mate
Wenger should go down as one of the greatest managers of all time, he gave up multiple CL's due to his loyalty to us
Not sure if you checked mate but Arsenal don't have any UCLs
Loyalty lol no he was getting a huge 9 mil per year… on top
Of that he himself knew that he could only get away with mediocrity at arsenal
@@04foreverinvincible69 Wenger should be a psychologist. He has successfully brainwashed the majority of the Arsenal fanbase into accepting mediocrity and accepting 4th place as a trophy.
Real reason is cuz he HAD NO MONEY!! He is the second greatest EPL manager ever so be RESPECTFUL If he had 1 billion like Pep he would have been more successful. NO DOUBT
I mean clubs like leicester and West ham are able to be competitive without massive amounts of money. So your argument kinda doesn't hold up
@@ihsaanilhaam743 i mean Arsenal was still competitive even when Arsene got no money. But if you want to continue being a title contender you have to spend big bulks every year. And I mean Leicester and WHU are both top 4 contenders at most, same to Arsenal's last couple of years under Wenger
@@ihsaanilhaam743 Wengers Arsenal is miles ahead of the Leicesters and west hams of this era. Between the two of them they've only tasted champions league football once in the last decade
@@ihsaanilhaam743 they are doing well but not competing for trophies
@@ihsaanilhaam743 so ur saying that Lecister was expected to win the league every yr? or West Ham? the shit Wenger did with Arsenal is exaclty what's going on with Leicester they both tried claiming back the league but bcs they had no money Leicester was only able to be happy with Europa League football, whilst Arsenal were expected to be in a title race
How many fans of clubs across the UK get to experience a title winning team, in fact a couple of different title winning teams..
Then how many get to see the likes of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires.. and have the likes of Gilberto, Campbell & Vieira...
Seeing them playing week in week out, with WengerBall, the most entertaining football the UK has seen.
Lucky.
The problem is people got spoiled and thought they were entitled to that.. Well.. you are not.
What Wenger did in his final years was still good, and still a good representation of Arsenal as a football club.
True gent and philosopher of football.
Though I am a Chelsea fan, I really liked how Arsenal played back in 03-04, infact many of my friends became arsenal fans during this era. Interesting insight though.
He did great for Arsenal
His tacitcs/tikki takka
Problem was MONEY
Some fans was so toxic and treated him like trash...
They seem to think manager is an easy task which we just close one eye for the job....
Anyway , miss those times under Wenger
Henry , Bergkamp , Viera , Pires , Ljunberg , Van Persie , Fabregas , walcott , Rosicky , Adebayor ,Arshavin , Hlebb ,Cole , Campbell , Lehmann
I miss bendtner
you are forgetting giroud, Sanchez, ozil, song, Almunia, Ramsey (who won us 2 fa cups) , Cazorla, and so many more
He secured Arsenals longterm future, what he came into and what he left for others to build upon were light years apart. New Stadium, World Class Academy, financially stable, the list goes on.
I coulda sworn Arsenal were named after Arsene.
And chelsea due to Petr "Cech"
Lol
A revelation in his first ten years. But wasnt the same Manager in his next ten years. And to much of a yes man for the Arsenal board. Almost acting like their accountant. And he should have stood down when he and Arsenal won their first major honour in 9 Years, (FA Cup) in 2014 And still Qualified for the Champions league. In which Wenger failed to do in his last two season of his tenure. 2016/17, 2017/18
great video!! i wholeheartedly believe that if Wenger had built a team of strong physical but technical players around Fabregas instead of players who were similar to him, things would have been different
Arsenal was bound to sink but Arsene Wenger managed to keep them up as long as he could that’s why at the end of his reign, he started to be out of his depth. The Arsenal fans wanted Wenger out because of « 4th is a trophy » and now finishing in the top 4 is their biggest ambition.
It's not the biggest ambition. It's the first step on the way back. And we fell out if it in 2017.
That stadium 🏟️ robbed them of trophies. They definitely would have won a champions league if at Highbury.
He wasn’t directly responsible, but indirectly responsible. He should’ve left earlier, him leaving was what was needed for change but he stayed on way too long.
Sometimes if you really love something but you’re part of what’s holding it back, you leave in order to let it flourish. But he didn’t, he stayed and in my opinion he’s therefore partly but not fully responsible for the general complacency and relative lack of trophies from 2005 - 2018
One of the managers I have a full sense of respect, even as a Liverpool fan through and through.
Plastic Liverpool fan through and through.
I honestly think that Arsenal lost it when David Dein left. He got a lot more backing when Dein was in the board.
It was never "his fault"! He helped to transform the club, the English football, and to give us many joys and unforgettable moments. At the last end, he was still doing an amazing job, give the pieces that he has, and in the same era that his directly competitors were basically "dream teams".
8 years of almost unrivaled success followed by 14 years of abject failure.
I mean everyone wants to pretend he was great, but if he was so great, why did he not manage to land another managerial job after Arsenal? He made his intention to continue coaching known, so it's not like he wanted to retire, he's constantly being linked with new jobs as recently as August of 2021 but nothing ever happens.
Because he wasn't as good as people let on, he had a touch that faded way before 2010, you can say that the cautious approach he was forced to adopt during the stadium years stunted his ability to challenge for anything in the years after the stadium was done.
I mean there were at least two seasons that Arsenal should definitely have won between 2013 and 2018, but one was the season where no big teams made any big moves, the Premier League was the least competitive in years, Arsenal could of had a great team had Wenger spent more than 10 in the transfer market to buy a better striker and defender but... Leicester ended up winning that season instead.
I felt that after that, that was the end of Wenger's time in Arsenal, the season after Arsenal slumped to their worst finish under Wenger and started the decent into mid table obscurity.
There is a good reason why Wenger hasn't got a job now.
Another point is wenger had a good set of defenders in the beginning because of which arsenal were able to compete well with manutd. But then after those players retired he replaced them with toure who was not even a defender. How did a brilliant manager replace genius defenders with kolo toure? This defensive weakness is why arsenal couldnt beat manutd for so many years since offensively henry was there. This is why manutd swept the league for so many years even though arsenal had henry and bergkamp. People act like arsenal were in the top 2 with substandard players. Which doesnt make sense. Henry bergkamp pires vieira were alm amazing players. What arsenal missed was defensive strength. And arsenal was leaking goals to inferior teams and getting draws while manutd was edging wins because defensively they were strong.
U don't understand football tbh
I'm not an arsenal fan but the downfall of arsenal is the fault of the owners
If you think Wenger is to blame u guys deserve every failure that comes ur way
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I know it will be good, so lemme change that to 1
and yes, it was good; a nice nostalgic throwback into former fan favorite success
not an Arsenal fan either, but Wenger + Arsenal deserve their sympathy like Klopp + Liverpool did later in the PL
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
bro “from invincible to invisible” is such a cool line, it should at least be in either the thumbnail or title
There's no relationship like that of good ownership and good coaching that fans fail to understand so thoroughly and woefully
Pep Guardiola could never manage a club with an owner like Kronke incharge getting into champions league
I'm not normally one to comment on Football TH-cam videos, but I think you have got this fairly close to the mark. The bit that you seemed to gloss over was how the landscape of the ownership model of Football changed while Arsenal were under such financial constraints with the new stadium. They made the decision to move grounds and then the Billionaires came into the game. At that point, Arsenal were in a no man's land and had to proceed and adjust. It was very unfortunate and quite unpredictable. It is a testament to Wenger that he kept Arsenal competitive during this time. Yes, he made some mistakes and yes, he remained loyal to some players for longer than he should have. Ultimately though, the ownership of the club is front and centre. Kronke is a cancer on this club and Wenger attempted to hold the Footballing side together by showing loyalty to the owner. That has always been his default position, but was ultimately the reason why he came in for such criticism from the fans. Most could not see the behind the scenes and laid the blame at his feet, largely because he fronted the club and accepted the criticism. It was only after Wenger left that most fans began to see the reality of the problems caused by the owners.
Cheers for the comment! That is a very good point that I hadn't thought about. How were they supposed to know that Billionaires would start using football teams as pet project. Really hard situation to be in having just made such a huge commitment.
That was very true of the 5-6 years following the completion of the stadium, it is indeed very hard when you have to compete with United who already have a large stadium, Chelsea who have sugar daddy funding and no plans to move to a bigger stadium (so no costs) and Man City who had a stadium built and sold to them for peanuts. However when you look at 2013 onwards, the stadium construction costs have been almost paid back and Wenger is having large budgets to work with. Yet that was arguably the worst part of his 18 years in charge.
Kroenke's have gotten a lot of blame and i dont know a single fan who likes their ownership. Kroenke's, gazidis and AW all share some blame in the downfall. And yes, some just unfortunate timing as well with the stadium which was such a huge burden for way too long.
Funny how most of the defensive comments are from fans of other clubs. But yeh, he made Arsenal comedy central for other fans from the 2008 birmingham game onwards. A blind non-acceptance that his tactics needed change. And also advertised to the whole football world that they were a selling club. Buying a stadium was a problem but its not a problem unique to just Arsenal is it? I remember an amazing team goal Vieira scored at Liverpool. But no one remembers it cos a youngster then scored a 35 yard winner for Liverpool. That goal sums the late Wenger era up in a nutshell. that and his loving respect for deserters like cole van persie nasri
Wenger is legend. The board, not so much (bunch of fools)
Back then the english media and fans said that getting 4th place is a joke. Now everyone want that 4th CL place like it's a big achievement
Now spider man 3 come out
When he started to believed top4 is like winning the title
Tinashe for the win🏆
As a young boy (who isn't British) I legit though Arsenal was named after Wenger, he became their manager before I was born and left after I hit my 21th birthday.
I grew out of that, but still think that idea is endearing lol
Fabrigas could be a club legend if he had stayed and in course we could have achieved PL. He was undoubtedly one of the few best playmakers while his time at arsenal. I vaguely remember watching him coming as a sub and scoring two goals around 2008-09. He made me fall in love with Arsenal and how they play and from then the mostly searched string in my web browser history were "Arsenal Transfer news " and "cesc fabrigas". it was a poetry on field and i was deeply hurt when he left for Barcelona.
Excuses...Excuses....Excuses. Wenger dug his own grave, the 'Fabregas being the reason Wenger changed his tactics' is utter BS because if that were true, he would have bought Fabregas from Barca in 2014 instead of Ozil. Wenger changed his tactics because of the Champions League loss to barca and then switched his formation from 4-4-2 Counter Attacking football to 4-2-3-1 possession based because that's what Barca played. And Wenger knew he could win domestic titles with a counter attacking football but he was always known as a stubborn ass so he eventually fell on his sword in trying to win with 'Wengerball'. The excuse of a lack of player transfers due to the stadium debt is also BS because as clubs like Leicester have shown: you don't need to buy big name players to win the PL Title, and btw Arsenal STILL HAVE NOT won the title after signing Aubameyang, Lacazette, Ozil, Xhaka, Mustafi, Pepe, Partey and now Ben White. The ownership is a valid reason because the board's and Kroenke's business model is dependent on a lot of publicity, shirt and merchandising sales and sponsorship revenues and that directly affected player transfers, after the Ozil transfer which made arsenal a lot of profits from shirt sales and increased their brand exposure, every signing had to make the same impact but didn't need to make any impact on the football pitch. Now with AFTV turning arsenal fans into customers, Kroenke's position is stronger than ever. In short Wenger could have done better with the cards he was dealt with if he was practical and pragmatic instead of principled and stubborn so YES....he is to BLAME.
My guy I love you 0:25 but Fergie was at United 26 years not 22. 1986/87 to 2012/13
Agreed, but I was talking specifically about the Premier League era
@@FootballIconic Ahhhhh
Again a good video how are you so consistent, just asking but would you make a video on the one of the best midfielder of this decade like XAVI, INIESTA, MULLER, DE BRUYNE, OZIL etc. You made various on 1900s to 2010s on carrick, scholes, lampard , gerard, etc etc.
Tbh Cesc is also one this decade and you have made a video and he is also in video but still.......
He consistently got top 4 with the likes of Kieran Giibs, Frimpong, Squilachi, Gervinho, Alex Song, Park Chi Sung, I could go on and on. Just average players.
He had an amazing core with world class players like RVP and Fabregas, Ramsey, Koscienly that he identified for almost no money.
The problem was simply a lack of transfer funds for a good bench. Look af Guardiola and even Arteta now. They buy players for £100 million for the bench. There is never a weak length in the team and when a key player goes down with injury there is an adeauate back up.
Wenger was an absolute genius during this time. I sincrrely believe we were much closer than people realised and with just slightly more money - we wouldnt have lost Ashley Cole and we would have had just enough depth overall to allow the world class players like Fabregas to carry us to a title or two.
Either way, Wengers achievements during this time actually amazing and are conpletely underated and distored. He could not have dine any better
another link with Klopp, he managed to break the hegemony of Bayern Munich, arguably the Man United of the Bundesliga.
A league luckily not suffering from shaky sheikhs or greedy gringos, as the Premier League fell victim to...
hence why Arsenall fell back against the PL competition and Dortmund could keep their 2nd/3rd team and CL qualifier status.
Nah Dortmund still falls off to UEL regularly
This coment is only here to pleasure the toxic Arsenal fans:
Wenger out!😅
As always, brilliant video. Informative and funny at the right beat. Thank you!
Consistent top 4 with 4-5 title pushes where they finished 2nd 3 times and 3 rd 2 times while selling the best players each year building a new stadium academy infrastructure for training and so on.....Arsenal even has housing projects:))) its a juggernaut from a bussines front...... commercially altough not having more than 55-60% of fans worldwide compared to a team like United they make sort of like 85% of their revenues which shows us they have other revenue streams....they diversified which is unbelievable:))).Arsenal never had defenders....i mean they usually had starting 4 which were excellent but never had options....
Another banger! LESSGO
Good vid. Should have also cited how the rules of the game were changed so radically by the new ownership at Chelsea and then Manchester City.
Another banger for me to enjoy and then discuss it with my friends at school.
After Arsenal won the invincle season, the scouting team asked for Essien, got told they had a 5 mil budget..
Steve Rowley, the man who discovered Tony Adams, quit after the signing of Xhaka and Mustafi.
Why not ask your Klopp, Guardiola, Pochettino or whoever to work in these conditions. See how many years before they quit.
There was also the resignation of David Dein over some boardroom stuff. Him and Wenger were a perfectly functional duo. Dein was replaced by incompetent people, indeed of a much lower calibre than the collaborators of Klopp and Guardiola.
I'm not an Arsenal fan, but if you take a look at the last 10 seasons and remove Chelsea and City (just an idea, y'know cuz money) you get Arsenal results on par with the 00s, the only time Arsenal finished above either one was when Leicester won.
Results without City and Chelsea (just removed them, didn't look into individual games)
2013: 2nd
2014: 2nd
2015: 1st
2016: 2nd
2017: 3rd
2018: 4th
2019: 3rd
2020: 6th
2021: 6th
2022: 3rd
To me Arsenal looks like a club that didn't manage to keep up with the times. Time to watch the video 1:37 in and I've already spent far too long writing, formulating and looking up data for this comment
Amazing video as always
I’m an Arsenal fan, but in England the landscape of the game kept evolving. You couldn’t do tiki-taka season after season after season. You got found out. Wenger didn’t have an eye for evolution, Plan B or most importantly, defence. In his time, Fergie bought Stam, Ferdinand, Vidic. Apart from Sol Campbell (on came in on a free) I can’t name one world class centre back he signed or developed. He didn’t need money to create attacking players, so why couldn’t he create a solid defence with the same resources? Create a team that was hard to crack. There was no trophy for pretty football at the end of the season. It was same old, same old for years and Arsenal just got found out
Wenger's legacy will only get better over time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We really had it good whilst he was here, and what he did for the club will have an impact for many more years to come.
A combination of things.The emergance of cash rich Chelsea,a squad that needed replacing due to their age, the financial burden of a new stadium and the emergance of a new breed of managers with new systems all conspired against him. But given those circumstances, what he achieved was remarkable,there were 16/17 teams in the league for all those 'down' years who would have happily traded league positions.what most people also seem to forget is Arsenes contribution not just to Arsenal but English football as a whole,even Sir Alex credited Arsene with bringing about fundamental changes in,health,diet,science etc. when he arrived. Im a sunday league fan so dont have a dog in this race but from a neutral point of view him and Sir Alex are the greatest managers the league has seen,not just for their coaching but for the dynasties they built. Modern fans are fickle,dreamers,short sighted,have even shorter memories,have little patience and demand instant success at any cost to their club,all while moaning how much a ticket costs. They dont understand that success and sustained success comes from stability.
Wenger was genius
And now, as an arsenal fan, I expect 6 points from Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham every season. Arteta's transfer and wage funding was essentially secured by Arsene Wenger. Exciting times for Arsenal.
Hurt to watch, m8. Cannot say I agree with it all, but like always, you do your research and the content is great. Some truths hurt, but such is life, especially in football.
An insanely insightful perspective. My favourite footie TH-camr. Love the videos mate.
Thanks man!!
I was surprised no mention of some of the terrible buys he made like Chamakh, Mustafi and that Korean striker, plus dozens of others, especially dodgy defenders. Wenger had money, he just wasted a lot of it. Pound for pound, George Graham was the far superior Arsenal manager.
I would say the decline is down to the horrible finacial decisions, nonsensical transfers that hurt the club, and the fan base itself. I used to watch AFTV before it became what it is today and at the time I enjoyed hearing different viewpoints on the matches, but after a while they mainly focused on ranting fans who belittled everything going on and sponsorships. Pretty much their channel turned the club into a meme and players lost confidence as a result. Not really blaming the fan base on a whole, just the vocal minority that AFTV elevate. Fast-forward to now fans have this entitled mindset that they deserve to be among the elite and the players are under so much pressure to perform. If I was treated how these fans treat the players at my job I would give them a piece of my mind too. Overall from my perspective it's just a collection of mismanagement, horrible transfer choices, and an entitled fan base. No one is perfect I agree, but when you think because you are a big club and you should be where X team is without improvement then you need a reality check.
Also props to Troopz from AFTV for his success. The man went from blud, fam, innit and some cringe Jamaican slang to Barstool. So props to him for his success.
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He was given peanuts for like the last few years of his job. Because the owners had everything pumped into expanding the stands