Carol Cleland - Technology and Artificial Intelligence (AI)
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Humanity’s future is now framed by artificial intelligence (AI) and increasing interventions in the human body to cure and to enhance, i.e., transhumanism. Considering the stakes and the dangers, a philosophical perspective is imperative.
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Carol Edith Cleland is an American philosopher of science known for her work on the definition of life and the shadow biosphere, on the classification of minerals by their geological history, on the distinction between historical and experimental approaches to science, and on the Church-Turing thesis on theoretical limits to physical computation. She is a professor of philosophy at the University of Colorado Boulder, holds affiliations with the NASA Astrobiology Institute, the SETI Institute, and the CU Boulder Center for Astrobiology, and directs the Center for Study of Origins.
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I agree with Carol Cleland's views.
Please focus more on the UAP and UFO phenomena. This week is another hearing in the US congress regarding this topic. The phenomena is real, but we don't know the cause(s).
We don't know the cause of these weird sightings, but we do know that it definitely is something natural and not aliens.
@@caricueWhy not aliens or an artificial intelligence from outer space? We should be open for all possibilities.
@@ganymed1236 I don't fault you for your optimism, but just like AI, the only aliens we have ever seen are in science fiction. We have a warped view based on years of movies and tv shows. My rule is that anything which is made up from nothing is almost certainly not real. No AI, no aliens, no super heroes, no true love, no prostitutes with a heart of gold, no gods or angels, just the everyday crappy world that we see around us. Peace.
She also said that para normal phenomena might be truly un predictability (at least that’s what I heard, I could have misunderstood her). If that’s true, it’s a challenge to materialism: Could there be a part of the material world that is actually un predictable (besides the quantum). Do materialism and predictability have to go hand in hand?
Why do we assume that a machine is inherently non-biological? Do the arguments fail once we start using bio-engineering?
Biology: Molecular machines that function while in a liquid suspension 😄
@@simonhibbs887 Biology: Living tissue that requires water to survive. Besides, no matter how much you engineer a living thing, it is going to make a poor computer.
@ The human brain has a lower bound of about 100x the complexity of ChatGPT, which runs across a bunch of data centres. Quite possibly a lot more complexity than that. Each connection is much slower than in a digital computer, but as the saying goes quantity has a quality all its own and the brain has a whole lot of connections. Digital computers will catch up though.
@@simonhibbs887 I agree that we don't really know the upper bounds of brain complexity and organization, but the real point is that the brain is not a computer, it does not compute. Your brain is part of an organism that thinks and knows things because it is a living entity. A computer is nothing more than a complex mechanism that can be cleverly programmed to simulate intelligence. It can never know anything because there is no one in there to do the knowing. Knowing is an experience and dead things don't experience anything.
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6:40 she says we can't explain the origin of a hybrid lifeform so it would have to be a created being. At the same time she can't explain the origin of biological life but says it's not a created being. Inconsistent conclusion much?
Very interesting discussion, about different subjects. I suspect that the interview is already a bit older, because in the meantime AI systems have already become much more intelligent, and they also acquired the competence to reason. An interface neuron chip already exists. So a creature that is a merged human - computer is certainly no longer science fiction in the long term. In my opinion, eventually it will turn out that self-consciousness is actually just a brain circuit, and nothing "inexplicable" or strange as many philosophers use to think.
Knowing is something that is experienced, dead things don't experience anything, so a dead computer cannot know anything. AI is science fiction. The best computers can do is simulate intelligence which the modern LLM do by brute force, this is why they require such insane number of processors and power while a human can run off of candy bars and Mountain Dew.
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One of the most intelligent women I've seen! 👏👏👏
Never a machine will become intelligent. AI is a tool as a Hamer is. ID 😎
I agree. Humans are intelligent because we have a self, which is a product of life. A computer will always be just a dead mechanism.
Nonsense. Define intelligence.
@@jayk5549 The question really comes down to the Philosophical Zombie. It would be immediately obvious that a human lacked an internal experiential self, and the same applies to a computer. The computer can simulate intelligence, but it cannot know anything since there is no one to do the knowing. This is why defining intelligence won't help in understanding. The question is what is knowing. What does it mean to experience knowledge and information, to be an entity. It is the entity, or the self that takes in the information and can understand and process it. Even the most advanced AI doesn't even try to do this because it is not an entity, it has no one in there.
Can we start calling it SI ? Simulated Intelligence ? There is no thing like artificial intelligence ...
What you say is definitely true for now. But there is also a possibility of science going beyond this barrier.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who noticed that intelligent machines only exist in science fiction stories. I believe that this is because there is no one "in there" to know stuff. It will always be just a dead mechanism.
self awareness come from proprioception
Can life arise naturally? Can we KNOW that..?
What is nature? What is life? Would self-awareness exist without life?
What would it mean for life to arise UNnaturally? Science is just the observation and categorization of nature, so whatever you think started life would just be put into another category by science, and would then be considered natural.
What is self-awareness? Can there be self-awareness without life? What is life? Do we even know what it feels like to be alive?
Self-Awareness or Direct Awareness of Self is not possible being alive... we can only possibly be aware of our "subjective experience" stored in our memories being misunderstood as self-awareness ....
...for Awareness of an Object to occur, the observing Subject and the Object being observed can not be one and the same but independent or separate from each other... so, Self-Awareness is making the Subject and the Object one and the same which is an incoherence.... this is not so difficult to understand...
The issue isn't whether you can be self aware without being alive, the question is whether you can be a self if you aren't alive. Life doesn't seem to be a thing, it is the process. This is why you can change out all the atoms and molecules and still have the same individual. You feel what it's like to be alive every morning when you wake up, you just don't have anything to contrast it with.
@caricue I hope you can find happiness with the efficiency of your processes. Just keep well oiled and avoid rust, and you'll be fine.
@@SillyHumons I appreciate your good thoughts, unfortunately, nature doesn't seem to care about individual happiness, but I do maintain the integrity of my systems as much as possible. Peace.
@caricue Yes, nature nurtures the whole. It's a well-oiled system. Just like one mind managing it all, feeding you, providing materials and pets to play with. What more could one want?
self awareness when have consciousness of subjective causation?
..you can not be directly aware of your self or your true being because it is a forbidden knowledge...
...you only know that your awareness exists by being fully aware that you have personally experienced...
what is the nature of intelligence... is it good, bad, or apathetic... to be intelligent, a system has to continuously find ways of improving rather than running in endless circles of self destruction....so, a true intelligent system will ultimately seek perfection but at the cost of what... is such level (absolute perfecrion) even attainable in this realm/domain 🤔
I think, as with many terms, we use the word intelligent and intelligence to mean different things. There's intelligence as problem solving ability. Playing chess, solving mathematical puzzles, etc. In your comment when you talk about intelligent systems seeking perfection, I think you're using the term to mean something like 'having the right goals'. That's quite different because it's not about solving problems to reach goals, it's about having the right goals in the first place.
@@simonhibbs887more like being able to make, ideally, the best choice from at least two presenting alternatives... but even if it makes the wrong choice the first time, when it encounters a new scenario, and doesn't repeat it in the future, it still counts as an intelligent behavior... so, acting rationally, is what I mean...
@@r2c3 Sure, that's fair enough. It's about problem solving ability, and an important part of that is the ability to learn from mistakes and get better at solving problems.
UAP hearings this Wednesday and to be biased or blind to the multiple known UAP is ignorance. Scientists must take it seriously. Even you.