The Fourth Woolwich Station/The Oldest Tube Trains in Service
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"Until whenever the 2024 stock can be rolled out, so at this rate probably 2072."
You always make me laugh Jago. 👍
The sad thing is Jago maybe right 🤣
@@peteryoung4957 You think as early as THAT?
The longer the better. Probably after I am "replaced" Give me the older stock any day, who needs hard seats and air con!
(I live at Queens Park these days and will choose the Bakerloo train over the Overground to WillyJct any day. As a kid we rode 23 and 27 stock on the East London line and Standard stock on the Bakerloo
(5/- for a twin rover)
It was like time travel, you felt like you were back in the "olden days"
I think that Merseyrail might hold the record for the second-oldest trains in Great Britain. (1977+?). Their replacements are champing at the bit waiting to enter service but no news so far.
A classic illustration of why it is so difficult to set questions for pub quizzes or other quizzes without getting the answers challenged (unless the question is so long and hedged with provisos that it virtually gives away the answer to anyone still awake). But on this channel the discussion is always civilised, factual and enlightening, so kudos to Jago and commenters for keeping it that way.
Many years ago, my local had rules for the pub quiz:
1. For all answers, the landlord's decision is final.
2. In the case of any dispute, Rule 1 applies.
@@Tevildo I once challenged a Pub Quiz Master, and his response to alleged factual muddiness was he got his answers from "The Internet".
@@Tevildo In rugby union, the wording is "the referee is the sole judge of fact".
Congratulations to Jago for declining to exert any authority on his own quiz. Instead of whingeing and quibbling about what is right, we end up a) more knowledgeable about the subject of the questions and b) with the sense that taking part is good fun, and the outcome is not very important. That, IMO, is exactly how things should be.
@@davidjames579 I once challenged a quiz master in a quiz at my place of work. He mumbled as he consulted the web, discovered that I was right and then ruled against me on the grounds that I was wrong. Another team with the same answer as me decided that this was unacceptable and a lengthy and heated argument ensued. As the dust settled the quiz master launched a lengthy diatribe against my team for "causing trouble"; our captain replied mildly that all the QM had to do was to say "I will accept only the answers on my card. If they are factually wrong, I am sorry" and none of the fuss would have happened.
The biggest shock of that Ferryman reveal at the end, was seeing the Woolwich Ferry actually working
I disagree, the biggest shock was the second voice that said "Ferryman!"
Is there a Mrs (or Miss) Hazzard that accompanies Jago on his informative quests?
We should be told!...is what I would say if Jago was keen on publicity and recognition, but as he likes to keep to himself, I think it's nice he has someone to chat with and have a cup of tea and a sandwich with while gathering footage.
Yes !
@@smokerjim It was his housekeeeper 😉
@@smokerjim Have you considered the possibility that the second voice belonged to a nosy local who took an interest in what Jago was doing ?
@@hb1338 no, I hadn't considered it, mainly because I was aiming for a humorous comment and Jago is under no obligation to say anything he doesn't want to say - and that's the way I like it.
Catching a glimpse of an old tube train is like seeing a Morris Minor on the road, memorable.
There's two Morris Minors just up the road from me on Battersea Bridge Road. Always takes me back to my youth seeing them.
I almost have a ‘come apart’ when I see a Morris Minor.
I can safely say we have all learnt a lesson here... a slap-dash approach to question setting only leads to confusion, arguments and the inevitable fallout. Which, to be fair, sums up the festive season.
So, with this in mind, I look forward to next year's quiz!
And follow-up videos
Accusing our distinguished host of a "slap-dash approach" is most unbecoming behaviour. If you have never encountered devil in the detail, you must have been living in a padded cell. Pax tecum.
Love the wooden fittings in the interior of the 1938 stock - they don’t make ‘em like that anymore.
Yeh. Kings Cross made sure of that. However nowadays you'll probably get someone complaining that trees had to die...
3:28 An uncharacteristic blooper, dear Jago, whilst talking about my beloved D78 Stock, you illustrated with a train of C77 Stock - they're actually even more different than their series classifications.
So you fell into Jago's error trap.
If we accept an earlier video "Don't call it a Tube line (but you totally can)" as correct, the Victorian Chesham set on the Bluebell Railway are by far the oldest tube trains in use. 😈
The Bluebell Set has run several times on the modern Metropolitan Line during special events, so they definitely count.
During the “150 years” celebrations this included Baker Street 😄
@@SportyMabamba They also have a cameo appearance in the Sir Richard Attenborough/Michael Kitchen version of 'The Railway Children'
@@xr6lad Except who has the newest trains… (ok - other than the newest steam trains).
I went on the old Stratford to North Woolwich branch in around 1972 and couldn't believe that a city of eight million people could have a functioning railway that seemingly went from no-where to no-where. I think I was the only passenger on board and it was hard to find it at Stratford station, not surprised it demised. Good video - by the way, my late father always referred to Arsenal FC as "the Woolwich Arsenal".
My father (born in the 1920s) always used to refer to Arsenal as a South London club, even though he had to cross the river to watch them !
@@hb1338 Millwall FC are a bit of a reverse as well. In that a club founded North of the River Thames ended up moving South of the River.
Altogether now: “Ferryman, Ferryman, does whatever a Ferry can…”
Quote of the Day: “The Universe is a chaotic place. I’m only trying to prepare you for a disordered world.”
An even truer statement! :)
Marvellous, isn't it! Couldn't agree more! 👍☺
Did he not say universe.......
@@shavedphil Both statements are true :)
@@shavedphil Sorry. It was autocorrect
Woolwich does in fact have the oldest something in the UK... That something being the oldest MacDonalds, or at least it is the first place MacDonalds opened a restaurant in the UK.
Shame on you for mentioning such a thing !
♪ Ferryman, Ferryman
Does whatever a ferry can
Carries things 'cross waterways
Back and forth, day after day
Look out, there goes the Ferryman ♪
Another interesting one, slight slip though! Bakerloo line has 72TS, and the 24TS with replace the 73TS on the Pic! (I’m assuming the replacements on the Bakerloo with get a different designation)
To paraphrase Peter Falk in “Wings of Desire”: “North Woolwich - not the station where the trains stop. The station where the station stopped”
This video sits very firmly in the "pedant's corner" (© The Tim Traveler) and I'm here for it
Move over, there's enough room for two ! BTW once there is more than one occupant, it becomes "pedants' corner".
For the railway using the oldest underground stock you could also say the the Epping and Ongar railway as it also has 1959 tube stock
Isn't that a heritage railway though?
@@katrinabryce True but it did use to be apart of the central line
What if there turns out to be a loop of track somewhere in the Arizona desert,with a really old Tube train running on it that was bought and shipped by an American millionaire in the 70s?
@@rjjcms1 I don’t think that is true lol
Anyway why would a American millionaire want a underground train when he has the subway in America
@@xlieusly978 It isn't true as far as I know,don't worry. It was a reference to the American businessman who bought the old incarnation of London Bridge and had it shipped to the States and rebuilt there. True story.
Thanks Jago, in light of your clarrification re- oldest tube stock in service... You will be pleased to note that I have awarded myself a negative bonus point which brings my quizz score down to minus two!
On QI that would get you the win
It's a beautiful building 😀
You could also consider the Track Recording Unit which uses two 1960 stock driving cars
I really wish they had considered a subway between Woolwich EL station and Woolwith mainline/DLR station.
It's nice to see that North Woolwich wasn't fully demolished. I hope it will gain new life. As for the Tube stock, I'm happy you added the stock being used elsewhere.
The North Woolwich area used to officially be part of the London Borough of Woolwich even though it's on the wrong side of the river. Interesting fact.
And before that, part of the county of Kent.
I dont think it was part of the London Borough, but was part of the Borough of Woolwich when it was under the administration of Kent County Council
@@MPsNewswatch I’ve told people who don’t believe that Bexley and Bromley are no longer in Kent about this, but if it’s not postcode related most people don’t know, want to know, or care! 😂
They should move the River. But that's Councils for you.
@@Lewis.George Postcodes are defined by Royal Mail, which is under no obligation to ensure that they map onto specific administrative regions. The same is not true of parliamentary constituencies. The complication that the Boundaries Commission faces when it goes about its gerrymandering is that each constituency must be under the control of a single local authority.
North Woolwich. Now a Schrodinger station. It may or may not be a station - while its still standing anyway.
Possible answers 1) It is a station if there is a cat present. 2) It becomes a station only when you try to measure it.
If you're looking for old and or odd lines to cover, how about the branch line that ran from St Albans Abbey station through to Hatfield and Welwyn beyond?
You could add in my local disused line: The Nickey Line that ran between Hemel Hempstead and Harpenden. Lots of photos available, bridges still up, the odd platform. A great seven mile walk with Redbourn a nice place to divert off for refreshments.
@@andrewmurray5542 th-cam.com/video/6_LVkMmdlXE/w-d-xo.html
A field trip to Alderney to see these old trains could be fun.
Geoff Marshall did a video on it last year, it’s worth a look
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I visited North Woolwich back in the late 80s when it was a museum. I used to take my kids over the River on the ferry from Greenwich (something they loved doing) and, on one occasion, we went to the museum. We were the only peope there!
where did the ferry from Greenwich go from
Ain't no Greenwich ferry!!
Good luck waiting for the 2024 stock. On Merseyrail, platforms were realigned in 2018 and 2019 in preparation for the networks new class 777 stock, the first of which arrived in Jan 2020. Three years later, Merseyrail still operates only class 507 and 508 stock, as it has been doing since I was a student; I became a pensioner last week! In connection with the 777 class, dear old Merseyrail has been heard to mutter "spring" but I didn't catch the year that went with it.
I don't know why it is but I just love listening to the sound at the end when you are displaying "Thank your for watching" We are listening as well...
It makes a change for the Isle of Wight not to have the oldest Tube stock in regular (revenue-earning passenger) use - first time since 1967 I think!
I'm looking forward to your trip to Alderney 🥰
I have no idea why I enjoy this youtube channel so much being a Yank living in Florida where I don't believe there are any subways / undergrounds. But I do, and thank you Jago for all of the work this must represent. And now I know where the Arsenal name came from. Cheers.
North Woolwich was traditionally part of Kent and had a branch of the Royal Arsenal Cooperative Society.
It even, when the County of London was created in 1888, two rather isolated parts of that new county because the borough of Woolwich joined the new county, and East and West Ham managed to stay out (becoming county boroughs within Essex instead). After centuries of anomaly, the administrative boundary finally became the logical one of the river Thames when Greater London came into being in 1965 and had the new borough of Newham consist of East Ham + West Ham + the parts of Woolwich that are north of the Thames.
Thought the North of the Thames was generally the London Co-op. The RACS used to fight with the South Suburban in the sw london borderlands. (they didnt accept each others divi tokens)
The Alderney Railway is running a fundraiser to repair their only working locomotive, so to keep the answer right we should really donate!
(Also, pedant moment: is North Woolwich the north bit of Woolwich, or a neighbourhood called North Woolwich?)
It's a station called North Woolwich.
If people call the neighbourhood North Woolwich, it's purely because of the station name.
If the station was called Singapore West, some people would use that name for the district.
it is part of Woolwich borough council now part of Newham borough council
@@thomasburke2683 Dont forget the DLR station , Cyprus.
@@thomasburke2683 Perhaps we should adopt a typical British approach and ensure that *all* our stations are given confusing names. it would make life fun for the tourists.
If youtube will let me post it, my next comment will be a link to the crowdfunding page (as of when I write this, they have £7060 of their £20,000 goal).
I guess Arsenal FC are in a unique position of having two TfL stations bearing their club name in two different parts of London. That sure is history and the present day on one huge network!! Fantastic!!
What about West Ham and West Ham (pstead)?
I used to love going to the rail museum as a kid.... I love calling arsenal "Woolwich" . love the reaction.
Wow Jago, your encyclopaedic knowledge continues to astound 👏🏾 Great video, packed with really interesting facts. I think it was a shame that North Woolwich Station was not included in the area's DLR upgrade and Crossrail plans. Mind you, your reference to the old North London Line (now the Overground) does beg the question(s) of what the constituent lines of the Overground network were called prior to being included in the Overground back in 2007. The North London line, and if I'm not mistaken, the Gospel Oak - Barking line, used to get included on the tube maps of the 70s and 80s (along with some other British Rail lines, like the Northern City line, Waterloo and City line, and the Harrow and Wealdstone - Watford Junction line).
some of those lines were included thanks to pressure from the GLC and Ken Livingstone.
Also the line out of Moorgate to the northern suburbs.
@@hb1338 (that was mentioned as northern city but was only on Tube Maps Moorgate to Finsbury Park)
I was near by Clapham High Street railway station _(very close to Clapham North underground station)_ in either 2005 or 2006 and was astonished to see a proper steam engine & carriages chuffing it's way over the bridge! I swear I wasn't on drugs, hallucinating or seeing a ghost - It was very real and amazing to witness! It was close to the tube but not actually on the tube line so should still count if it's still chuffing along that line to this day.
It has been known for steam trains to come out of Victoria and do a scenic tour around Southern England, similar to the first leg of the Orient Express, the name of which escapes me at this time. Seen it myself, so I guarantee you're not hallucinating!!
LTs preserved steam has recently run on the Underground (not the Tube lines for obvious reasons). I think it was former LT boss Howard Collins overcoming some resistance within the bureaucracy that enabled this. He's also been successful very recently in overcoming the very stubborn resistance within Transport4NSW and running a steam train through the underground lines and onto the Sydney Harbour Bridge (admittedly with a heritage electric loco at the tail end). The bureaucrats' resistance is illogical given that heavy coal and freight trains drawn by four diesel-electric locos occasionally run through Sydney's underground when there is trackwork on their normal route.
@@ktipuss Although the locos were ex met (steam and electric) the rolling stock was Mk2 and Mk3 ex BR ? ).
FERRYMAN! Love it
Great video, this is a job for Ferryman!
2:59 😁, your response to that sounded like a teacher taking pride in correcting his know-it-all pupil.
You definitely should visit the Alderney Railway, they are raising money at the moment for some fairly serious maintenance on the locomotive that hauls ( not sure haul is the right word it implies effort and two tube cars don't really challenge the 040 loco, other than on a rainy climb up the steepest part of the line) anyway they need around £20000 to keep her hauling the 59 stock.
As a student in the hippy trippy late 60s we used to go to the Good Friends Chinese Restaurant in Silvertown. Your Chicken Chow Mein was served in big bowls and was on the bone. Ten percent discount NUS card. I lived in Greenwich and usually walked the foot tunnel. Thanks Jago I don’t recognise the south east London of today
Excellent video. I always have a soft spot for the 1932 stock. As a kid on holiday, I went around the tube looking for the oldest which you could easily do because the manufacturer and year was imprinted on the foot treads in the doorways. But also I just liked the design of the 1932 stock
That ghostly voice at the very end sounds like one of John Shuttleworth's characters (Radio Shuttleworth, which gets repeated on Radio 4 Extra every so often).
Is it a Barge? is it a Submarine? No it's Ferryman! Brilliant Jago!
But what are his superpowers?
And did I detect a voice cameo saying the word?
@@Julius_Hardware He works unpaid
Your videos have inspired me to make it a goal to visit the famous train stations around the UK.
Hopefully the industrial strikes we currently are having will be done by then.
If not, you can visit the stations as relics of the days when we had a public railway network.
Could we have the Leslie Phillips-style "Hello!" at the start of every video, please? 😉
If we widened the scope of “oldest tube stock” to be “oldest tube gauge rolling stock” then some of the LU Battery Locomotives are 1930s vintage and still haul Engineer’s trains regularly :)
The 1930s have been out of traffic since the 80s, the oldest ones in service are from a batch from 1964
A shame its gone from my friends telling me, but between Tisbury and Gillingham down here in carrot crunchy land on the left hand side heading towards Gillingham for years stood some old Northern Line stock believed used as a greenhouse and chicken coops, it was suggested that the units were literally shoved in on a hastily made spur from the main line through the owners back fence whilst others say they were craned in to place.
i have been to alderny myself and yes i have been on those old underground trains it was very nice
Funny i've been through that station to docklands before 2006, easy journey I recall as used by so very few!
Ah the addendum... Whatever you do, "Don't Pay The Ferryman." Great vid your Jagoness. Thanks.
Hi Jago, As a "POHM" living in Sydney unable to make my annual trip "home" to the UK because of travel restrictions resulting from the pandemic, I enjoy your transport videos, particularly about London as I lived in Bayswater for 15 years and wore the steps in and out of Lancaster Gate Tube Station but I only scored 60% in your quiz! 73, Barrie
I stared at the word POHM for a minute trying to work out what it stood for 🤣
I don't use the H (intentionally keeping it vague in case others are challenged too)
@@kanedaku Sorry for being pedantic Simon/Jago but down here/under I've had to accept the 'H' as an extended joke from friends! 73, Barrie
@@IanEgerton-ud4pk 😨😨How positively cruel!!
I'll be there for you! 😃
If you're willing to go beyond the limits of the London Underground, or even the UK, in search of the oldest rolling stock in regular transit service, allow me to introduce you to the "Ashmont-Mattapan High Speed Line", an extended piece of the MBTA Red Line in Boston, Mass., which to this day uses PCC cars built by Pullman in 1945-46. It's easily Googled and making links from my tablet is hard., sorry. I really enjoy your work, thanks!
Ferry man 😁 Come on, it's got to catch on. No?
When mentioning the D78 stock, you showed a clip of the C stock. Yes, I am THAT guy!
Ha ha... you got there before me! Pedantry is alive and well!
@@marcelwiszowaty1751 I’ll share credit. We’re all friends here.
@@TheMusicalElitist Good man!
We love ridding the ol' "Turbies" on the Bakerloo Line.
Hehe did someone forget the light railway used by us long range snipers in and around Woolwich per se? I also seem to remember the long gone Rotunda having a stub branch for use to connect to the main line somewhere near Plumstead, as a kiddie travelling past Abbey Wood you could see its exit fenced off and undergrowth covering the old line stub as you headed up towards Woolwich Arsenal. AJS motorcycles were built for a while in the Rotunda and I do believe the trams and trolleybuses were dismantled almost next door.
1938 stock is regularly in service on the Bakerloo line - at least on Train Sim World 😉
For some reason, I really love to gaze at the final post-credit scene where it is just footage of outside from train/tube window while its moving.
The former North Woolwich station that was part of the North London Line and closed in 2007 with parts now used by DLR.
And part of the North London Line that are now part of the Elizabeth Line could be demolished to make way for new apartments or to keep the building but to turn it into a museum.
I imagine Woolwich as a beautiful harbour, like the ones in Sydney.
Stick with your imagination, the reality might be underwhelming.
North Woolwich was on the NLL but that section of NLL became Elizabeth Line near Woolwich and DLR near Stratford.
Tut tut Jago. Bakerloo line are officially 1972 mk 2 stock,……… but if you did your brilliant quiz a couple of years back they had a 4car 1967 stock in storage at London road depot.
And before anyone starts about why the 73 stock can’t go on the Bakerloo line. They can’t get around the bends at Oxford Circus and London Road depot.
And if you really want to fail in on Woolwich……. The DLR had its own entrance and is stand alone to the Lizzie line and main line……. Just pushing that bubble
IF Bakerloo ever gets to Hayes (seems ruled out , current funding plan is suggesting New Cross, London Road could close, dont know if Oxford Circus could be remodelled there wont be much space spare around the victoria line tubes
I remember the old East London line (when it terminated at New Cross) sounds weird but it had an almost train set feel to it
To add more to the question of the oldest stock, the oldest individual vehicles in actual REGULAR (with a actual purpose for those who want to get technical and of courser not a line) service on the London Underground is actually the L132 and L133, the Pilot cars for the Track Recording Train, being converted from the Central Line's 1960 Craven units.
What about the Battery Locomotives for tube lines maint services , are they pre 1960 ? (apparently 1964 which makes them younger than me )
@@highpath4776 no locos older than 64 left in service unfortunately. Of course L35 still resides in the museum, only static though, believe it’s 1938?
@@Jamesclass37 Sarah Siddons was in running order, John Hampden is static with some bits not functionable
I always enjoy listening to the dulcet tone of Jago's voice and complete accuracy is largely unimportant as of course nothing in railway land happens on a precise date (barring tragic events unfortunately).James watt didn't spring from his chair and build a steam engine immediately after his thoughts of steam power, he had to wash the dishes first (or make a cup of tea).
Then he had to wait in for Amazon (not) to deliver the epicyclic over-driven torque converters.
Thank you. I will give myself an extra point for my Alderney answer. Up to 4.5 now 🎉🍾
Hello Jago @ 1:22 - To answer your question about a closed Station - still a Station??? - then yes - b/c I live nr the Monsal Trail in Derbyshie (a Railway line that closed in 1968) & it has 4 Stations that you can visit / see - 2 of the stations have a small Cafe (Millers Dale Station - Closed in 1968 (I'm guessing as it was the largest Station alone this line) & Hassop Station - closed in 1942), 1 Station is now a Private Doweling (Great Longstone - closed in1962) & Monsal Dale - Closed in 1959 - the smallest Station along the line - all what is left is a small empty Platform!!! Also 'Fun Fact' (not being rude or any thing) Between Cressbrook & Litton Tunnels is an open area just about over 100 Meters long called "Water-cum-Jolly Dale" - but that's another story!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
Recently (about 6 months ago) i saw a 1960 stock running on current central line tracks painted dark red. I have found videos about this but not many i am just going to take a guess they where moving it...
I've visited Alderney a few times, my Dad was born and lived between there and Guernsey before the war and was evacuated to England. However although I've seen the line on every visit we've always visited out of season when it wasn't active. Highly recommended for a visit, fascinating place which housed the only German Concentration camp on British soil.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch th-cam.com/video/4KNWbVXs4UI/w-d-xo.html Indeed.
Is it a station? Well it’s certainly stationary! I recall travelling on the footplate of a steam engine at the woolwich station when it was a museum and a heritage railway operated from it.
Interesting vid Jago..... Talking about old D Stocks and show..... a C69 Stock!... Ok....., we'll let that one slide (much as did C stocks did in the wet).... but talking about the Bakerloo Line with their "1973" Stock...... Hmm, definately some serious slippage there i'm afraid.....
72 stock but was it running in 72 ?
@@highpath4776 No, nor was 73 Stock running in 1973 nor D78 stock running in 1978.......
Even with these alternative possibilities, I still haven't got a single question correct. Do I have to re-sit the whole year?
At 03:29 Jago talks about the D78 stock whilst displaying a C69/77 stock train (although an interesting choice since 5721 was the final C Stock unit running in scheduled service on the network). Perhaps he was trying to fool us, or just that he lacked appropriate footage. Maybe even it was a taster of things to come; a true/false quiz next Yule.
Thanks, that was a real breath of fresh air!
One good thing if you follow through in your plan to visit Alderney is that you'll likely not to have to wait long in the 'airport terminal' there to pick up your bags (or going home as well), as it's little more than a set of portacabins in size (it was only one portacabin when I 'went' in 1982). My family took a forced detour there due to a double booking of our flight to Jersey for a holiday many years ago, necessitating a 'ride' on an 8-seater plane (Aurigny air) to 'hop' from Southampton Eastleigh Airport (after a VERY rapid taxi transfer from Luton) to Alderney then onto Jersey. Presumably the little plane didn't have sufficient fuel to make it all the way...
DIdn't see very much of the island whilst we were waiting for our plane to be refueled, unfortunately.
Glad to be of some service to provide you with part of today's subject matter. :-)
Andrew,
Hope the tour operator or airline paid for the taxi from Luton to Eastleigh.
you made me learn something about football I didn't need to know now I know ! why they called Arsenal never thought about it that also explains why they called The Gunners
If Rail Adhesion Trains count, it is possible to see 1962 stock on the Central Line every autumn
My sister’s best friend lives on Alderney - apparently the little railway is great and well worth it!
Probably not much else for entertainment.
@@thomasburke2683 - you’d be surprised (from what I’ve heard!) raves in a quarry and there are 10 pubs for a population of only a couple of thousand people!
@@thomasburke2683 One of the beauties of Alderney is that there are no nightclubs, discos etc. A good book is quite sufficient, two if you are a quick reader.
There are/were 4 stations connected with Woolwich. Arsenal is not one of them just because a team set up here some years ago and moved. The same could be said for many stations.
All that train stuff was okay....but what is FERRY MAN's super power?!
This is the sort of thing a clarification video needs to address 😉🤣
Thanks for another informative video Jago 👍
He can get to here and there ?
If you ever escape to the Channel Islands, you should also check out the Pallot Heritage Steam Museum on Jersey, they have a small standard gauge demonstration loop!
With North London Railway coaches!
Very interesting story about Alderney, even on a Channel Islands scale, it was still unique.!!!
Not only were the Germans occupying the island during the war, but they enjoyed close co-operation and liason with the islanders, and by an extra-ordinary coincidental convenience, the governess of the island already spoke fluent german.!!
I would imagine the railway was already operating at that time. However, much information about the war and railway can be witnessed in all the islands' special museums which of-course are far more important there than anything we have on the British mainland.
Wrong island. That was Sark. Alderney was almost totally evacuated and a concentration camp built. December every year has an Alderney specific bank holiday to celebrate homecoming.
Video idea: The Tiverton Museum of mid-devon life and the Tivvy Bumper locomotive placed inside
that name just sounds like something straight out of a Beatrix Potter story
"And down there is..... another damn squirrel!!"
As an ex Londoner ( well Middlesex actually ) I must try everything I can to improve my miserable score in your quiz. I have been on the Isle of wight for 23 years but hail from near Uxbridge. From the age of 12 I traveled into town for train spotting at every opportunity and was gutted to have only scored six points. I cant see away to improve my score but hopefully in an act of total vengeance I can knock a few points of others LOL. Oldest tube stock in service you said. Now Jago. In service me thinks means travelling under its own power. Please say you agree . The Alderney cars are propelled or towed where as the Isle of Wight 38 stock ran under their own power. Can I have an extra point please please please. All comments are tonge in cheek. Great video keep up the excellent work.
Yes, well I would have made the same mistake regardless the Isle of White service; simply because it happened to be the case when I last visited in 2007. I loved it - took quite a few unnecessary journeys simply for the joy of the run run to the end of the pier at Ryde.
For anyone, like me, wondering why on earth North Woolwich even existed north of the Thames, I recommend a gander at the Wiki entry. Fascinating. Try and explain that in a few words, Jago!
Royalty and Empire basically
With the oldest stock question, does the vintage stock used on de-icer and RHTT trains for TFL, and the Departmental Battery-Electric Loco's (L20 - L32) built in 1964, which pre-date the 1973 stock by 10 years count? as they still run regularly on the network (more so in the BE Locos case) (The BE Locos could also be worth a video in their own right, I've always found them fascinating a bit of ancient kit still running around the network under the cover of Darkness) Thanks and love the content :)
@@JP_TaVeryMuch I think that's the joy of LUL Engineers workings, they often haul heavy loads so you hear them hum and really give it some power! and the fact they are often so illusive seeing them feels so rare!, and haha yes they are a good hint that your here to early...or to late xD
Really enjoyed this video, thanks.
Hurray for Friday Jago videos!
Great video . Deceiving thumbnail with a picture of amersham station
Jago, the oldest ‘tube train ‘ still in regular service is the battery locos on the engineers fleet , some date back to 1964 . Please do something on them .😢
Ferryman! He is the hero that Woolwich... has, I guess?
"I've never been to Alderney" - but a little-known chap called Geoff has... 😉
If we are going to descend into football (the round-ball variety), it is worth mentioning that there is one such team, which I am told is quite good, that originated as a works team of the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway: Manchester United. At one time, it even had its own railway station.
And West Ham which started life down at the docks before they moved to West Ham. They're moniker of Hammers refering to the long handled hammers on their badge which were the tools of the trade of dockers before mechanisation etc. But they didn't have their own railway as far as I'm aware...
@@aprilsmith1166 I thought that dockers used hooks, which could both cut and lift.
so many questions and so many answers
Another interesting vid with a nice touch of dry humour! 🙂
Given Alderney is one of the Wombles , surely they should use Vivarail stock too
Don't know if this has already been posted but the Alderney railway appeared about 20 minutes into episode 2 of Little British Isles with Alison Steadman, which can be found with a simple search.