The "horns/rings" probably held something like a bell, rattle, gong, etc. There were numerous accounts of statues that made sounds from this time period.
I simply cannot understand why so few people have viewed this amazing work. Please continue to post as much of your work as possible! Also: please would you consider reprinting "Gods in Color" as I had to pay £140 for a second copy and it is damaged.
I admire the handcraft shown, but this feels like a "Jesus on Velvet" attempt at the original... The complete mastery of subtlety is what makes the original incomprehensibly complex and emotive. The original has you thinking it's going to jump up and fulfill every kids "Clash of the Titans" dream/nightmare, where this new creation, especially the face looks like it could have been found on the clearance rack at Dollar Tree in February when it was placed there after Halloween.
You're projecting the modern understanding of classicism onto classical art. We associate highlighting bright colors and certain details with cheapness mainly due to the invention of cheap artificial dyes. Those features required both high technical ability and expensive colors in antiquity. Look at clothing before the 19th century, the Hindu use of color in religious art and the painted reconstructions of ancient buildings.
Ancient sculptures - from Sumer, to Egypt, to Rome to China - whether marble or granite, clay or bronze, were painted very brightly, exactly the way they've done here. You just aren't aware of how Ancient art actually appeared. It was ALL painted in ways that most of us would find quite tacky, or garish, from our modern perspective. They got it right on. Educate yourself.
@Breakfast_of_Champions you, also, clearly , aren't aware of how ancient art actually looked. They got it exactly how the ancients used to color ALL of their sculptures.
The "horns" were probably hooks used to lift individual components by chain. Either removing them from the mold or to hold particular parts in place when assembling.
@@Appophust They would be accessible until the statue was assembled. If they were placed on the outside, the sculptor would be giving themselves even more work. They could even be a method of keeping the statue tight against itself as the joining solder cooled. But you could be right. Maybe these statues had adornment or features we can't even conceive of. I'm open to the idea that these statues could make sounds. There is still a great deal the ancients have to teach us about their work. Cheers!
@@stuffhobbes6187I'd love to see if there is wear on the inside of the loops that could indicate long term usage. This video doesn't seem to show them clearly from all angles. But yes, as of yet it seems to be a mystery.
where are the 2 recreated bronzes located now? there should be an attempt to recreate the other classical bronzes such as a Laocoon, Venus de milo, Apollo belvedere, etc.
Thank you Vinzenz for the informative video on these two apparently linked ancient sculptures. It is a fascinating reconstruction process of casting, patina & gemstone application, for a realistic effect, that I wasn't aware of. Thumbs up!
When Germans talk about classical sculptures I think immediately about 2 facts: The Nazi Loot in the past, and the acquisition of the Pireo and the Greek railways nowadays. Even if all European Countries paid for the Greek debt, Doitchland was the only country that could cash in.
You might as well think about the countless German archaeologists who made great contributions to our common knowledge of the past during the last 300 years but ok🤷 I can't blame you tho, Nazis really made sure that everything Germany will ever be remembered by is evilness.
The original looked so much better. I'm glad that you didn't modify the original, but the end result was not appealing. Perhaps the reproduction should've been attempted by more skilled types who are used to working with cast bronze. On another note for what reason do attribute this to the Greeks? It was found in Rome, not Greece and the identity of the boxer is totally unknown.
@@vinzenzbrinkmann9259 very cool. The boxer is my all time favorite statue. Fortunately I live in Rome so he’s always close by. Very interesting to see the process. Wonderful job.
Fascinating!
This was amazing real informational program.
Thank so much to everyone who was involved and brought this to are screens.
The "horns/rings" probably held something like a bell, rattle, gong, etc. There were numerous accounts of statues that made sounds from this time period.
Stunning work thank you very much.
I simply cannot understand why so few people have viewed this amazing work. Please continue to post as much of your work as possible! Also: please would you consider reprinting "Gods in Color" as I had to pay £140 for a second copy and it is damaged.
I admire the handcraft shown, but this feels like a "Jesus on Velvet" attempt at the original... The complete mastery of subtlety is what makes the original incomprehensibly complex and emotive. The original has you thinking it's going to jump up and fulfill every kids "Clash of the Titans" dream/nightmare, where this new creation, especially the face looks like it could have been found on the clearance rack at Dollar Tree in February when it was placed there after Halloween.
It's a first attempt. Nowadays the tools, materials and methods are better but the people using them are totally different.
You're projecting the modern understanding of classicism onto classical art. We associate highlighting bright colors and certain details with cheapness mainly due to the invention of cheap artificial dyes. Those features required both high technical ability and expensive colors in antiquity. Look at clothing before the 19th century, the Hindu use of color in religious art and the painted reconstructions of ancient buildings.
No. They got them pretty spot on. I don't believe there's room for interpretation this time around.
Ancient sculptures - from Sumer, to Egypt, to Rome to China - whether marble or granite, clay or bronze, were painted very brightly, exactly the way they've done here. You just aren't aware of how Ancient art actually appeared. It was ALL painted in ways that most of us would find quite tacky, or garish, from our modern perspective. They got it right on. Educate yourself.
@Breakfast_of_Champions you, also, clearly , aren't aware of how ancient art actually looked. They got it exactly how the ancients used to color ALL of their sculptures.
The "horns" were probably hooks used to lift individual components by chain. Either removing them from the mold or to hold particular parts in place when assembling.
Exactly
Inside of the statue? Inaccessible except by the mouth and eyes? Probably not. In my opinion they held something that made a sound.
@@Appophust They would be accessible until the statue was assembled. If they were placed on the outside, the sculptor would be giving themselves even more work. They could even be a method of keeping the statue tight against itself as the joining solder cooled. But you could be right. Maybe these statues had adornment or features we can't even conceive of. I'm open to the idea that these statues could make sounds. There is still a great deal the ancients have to teach us about their work. Cheers!
@@stuffhobbes6187I'd love to see if there is wear on the inside of the loops that could indicate long term usage. This video doesn't seem to show them clearly from all angles. But yes, as of yet it seems to be a mystery.
Phenomenal! Thank you! 🙂
That's amazing reconstruction work of what the 2 statues would have looked like
where are the 2 recreated bronzes located now? there should be an attempt to recreate the other classical bronzes such as a Laocoon, Venus de milo, Apollo belvedere, etc.
Thank you Vinzenz for the informative video on these two apparently linked ancient sculptures. It is a fascinating reconstruction process of casting, patina & gemstone application, for a realistic effect, that I wasn't aware of. Thumbs up!
Excellent scholarship and recreation. In making the sculptures more lifelike you really did bring them back to life!
The replacement eyeballs are slightly too big.
When Germans talk about classical sculptures I think immediately about 2 facts: The Nazi Loot in the past, and the acquisition of the Pireo and the Greek railways nowadays. Even if all European Countries paid for the Greek debt, Doitchland was the only country that could cash in.
You might as well think about the countless German archaeologists who made great contributions to our common knowledge of the past during the last 300 years but ok🤷
I can't blame you tho, Nazis really made sure that everything Germany will ever be remembered by is evilness.
A wonderful recreation, so incredible looking!
Incredible work
very nice
The original looked so much better. I'm glad that you didn't modify the original, but the end result was not appealing. Perhaps the reproduction should've been attempted by more skilled types who are used to working with cast bronze. On another note for what reason do attribute this to the Greeks? It was found in Rome, not Greece and the identity of the boxer is totally unknown.
The answer to your question th-cam.com/video/FvsSPJoJB3k/w-d-xo.html
Yes, the reconstruction they did is an insult to the originals.
😅Drunk in the morning? You make me laugh...
A brilliant creation and video!
That reconstruction does not look very good to me, to be honest. Those finishing touches are of no good service to the original sculpture.
wtf all that and they didnt show them all set up in place as they will be displayed!
So where are they now?
currently on display in Liebieghaus Skulpturensammlung Frankfurt (Germany), from July 2022 in Metropolitan Museum New York City. Thanks for asking!
@@vinzenzbrinkmann9259 very cool. The boxer is my all time favorite statue. Fortunately I live in Rome so he’s always close by. Very interesting to see the process. Wonderful job.
2:07 😂😂
The eyes in the reconstruction look ridiculous.
Naja, die Augen wirken nicht so überzeugend