You know, years ago A friend of mine had a body shop here in my small town. He would go to Dallas to the rebuilder auction and buy a couple of cars to rebuild! There was an older fellow that everybody called "Fred the Frame Man" that lived about 60 miles away and would go from body shop to body shop all over this part of the country when needed to do some frame work. Fred's father did this before him and he took over for him many years ago. He had this portable pulling bar that was on four little wheels. It would extend out further under the vehicle if it was needed. He was a wizard at this. I marveled watching him work. It didn't matter if it was a 1 ton truck with a badly bent frame or a unibody Firebird. He would do a few measurements and start in with his air over hydraulic pump hooked to the tower and a little bit later it was all pulled back straight. They had a 1 ton truck in there that was loaded heavy and hit a drainage ditch! It's frame was sway backed, twisted and shoved back on one side. About an hour later it was straight as it could be. Well you take care Jerry. Tom
Love to hear stories like that - awesome. Nothing better than stories of folks that did some pretty amazing and talented stuff, carrying two bundles of shingles up a ladder at one time, fastest roofing nailer in Texas - pop, pop, pop, pop, miner stories, etc. Thanks for the story Okie-Tom
You're getting good at this TH-cam thing! You've come a long way since your first one on the old VHS camera. Thanks for all the valuable info, and have a great weekend, Jerry.
Thanks - I never really thought about doing it and was a bit camera shy but my wife encouraged me to do it so here we are a couple of years later. You're right about the old VHS - I ended up selling the old girl on Ebay - Panasonic PV950 Omni Movie - the kind you carry on your shoulder! Have a great weekend and good to hear from you as always :)
Thanks GC - thanks for watching. Here's an old instruction manual showing all the different pulls that can be done - s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.autobodytoolmart.com/downloads/tech-sheets/BodyStraightener.pdf
My frame man uses the old original version of this on frame work of my 40's to 70's classic cars. He says you should NOT pull or push off of the connecting center bar (the bar that goes from pinch weld clamp to pinch weld clamp) because the transfer of load can bend the center of this pipe and suck your rockers in. He claims it happened that way to a fellow worker some years ago. He says that you should attach a chain to each connecter pipe near the pinch weld clamp. This will form a chain style V that attaches to the frame machine lower section. So the stress is on the two v chains instead of the center of the connector pipe which pulls in on the rockers. What do think of his concern? BTW, I just noticed that the instruction manual for this Frame machine, shows using chains in a V fashion as he said.
Yes that's probably true for the old kind - I actually used to use that set up (the bar was bent too!). The pipe was round and much weaker than the rectangle bar this set up has. The bar won't bend so you don't have to worry about it. I think they addressed that when engineering this puller but stole the instructions from an somewhere else 'cause you can tell they're old. I don't know why they didn't write their own. You can use the chains too but I like to push against the bar as it puts even, parallel pressure on the rockers. That's an individual decision though - as long as it works for you :)
The dozer is pushed against the bar or with a chain as you say and also to avoid damage, long weld seam clamps are used. The original dozer from Blackhawk was called a damage dozer and for that device you can buy options for thousands of dollars. I have various aiming systems. With a damage dozer with a lot of options you can make the heaviest accident cars, today this is forgotten by many who do not know this
I have a lot of original Blackhawk books in which the instructions for use are illustrated. Centerline gauges were also used. I love the system and I can tell you that I have a straightening bench with an electronic measuring system, as well as a dozer, you can make everything with it provided you have knowledge
That setup may be okay for light pulling but a 2 clamping system used with an old L style puller has been obsolete for over 30 years. Cars are so lightly built today they need some type of 4 clamp system on the rocker pinch welds to avoid damaging them. Good luck, you may need it.
You're right - all high volume shops use 4 clamps systems either drive on or pull pots in the floor for sure.... this is really all I could fit in an 18x21 garage with a bunch of stuff I need to throw out :)
You could try it. Do you mean use the heat from the stud welder? Like weld a stud, clip it, smack it, cool it? That just might be an easy answer to a problem that has plagued body men for years - really. I'm going to give it a try. Have a good week end :)
My dad used to drive a Datsun B210 - great little car. Here's where I got the frame machine: www.autobodytoolmart.com/product/champ-10-ton-body-straightener-kits/champ-frame-equipment? De nada. Ten un excelente fin de semana
@@chriskiefer8365 I think the 4 clamp one would be more versatile for sure. Every step up has a few more advantages. I think this will do most fame work but you'll have to get creative sometimes. It doesn't really take up that much space in the garage when not in use too and that's a real plus - have a good weekend :)
No. Generally they go as far to the rear or front as possible. When there's 4 clamps, you'll want to keep them as far apart as possible for max holding power.
"Frame straightening" in a "small garage" made "easier" with "car dollies" to go along with the "tool truck" ground-level, hand-operated, portable and clamp-on "frame machine" that can "repair" any "bent frame" by "clamping" onto "body panels" spot-welded and "laminated" together and as far "outboard" of the actual "frame rails" in the "big steel box" aka "unibody" of any "unibody car" out there. As long as the "bent frame" isn't "bent" anywhere but at the "center of gravity, it "bent" without twisting and/or buckling, it's "bent" only so slightly that all four "points" are still on the "frame machine" and the jack stand/dollie "frame rack" AND you want to make "frame work" videos to "enjoyable" Top 40 album cut-length "how-to" videos that never actually end show "frame straightening" with actual "pulling" much less a "finished product" and a PAST-TENSE TITLE LIKE "FRAME STRAIGHTENING BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER "HIGHLIGHTS".
www.autobodytoolmart.com/product/champ-10-ton-body-straightener-kits/auto-body-frame-straightening-equipment I went with the foot pump option so the cost was - $1724.00
Here's the instructions for the unit - s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.autobodytoolmart.com/downloads/tech-sheets/BodyStraightener.pdf I use it like this - th-cam.com/video/RSopz6XWncQ/w-d-xo.html
You know, years ago A friend of mine had a body shop here in my small town. He would go to Dallas to the rebuilder auction and buy a couple of cars to rebuild! There was an older fellow that everybody called "Fred the Frame Man" that lived about 60 miles away and would go from body shop to body shop all over this part of the country when needed to do some frame work. Fred's father did this before him and he took over for him many years ago. He had this portable pulling bar that was on four little wheels. It would extend out further under the vehicle if it was needed. He was a wizard at this. I marveled watching him work. It didn't matter if it was a 1 ton truck with a badly bent frame or a unibody Firebird. He would do a few measurements and start in with his air over hydraulic pump hooked to the tower and a little bit later it was all pulled back straight. They had a 1 ton truck in there that was loaded heavy and hit a drainage ditch! It's frame was sway backed, twisted and shoved back on one side. About an hour later it was straight as it could be. Well you take care Jerry. Tom
Love to hear stories like that - awesome. Nothing better than stories of folks that did some pretty amazing and talented stuff, carrying two bundles of shingles up a ladder at one time, fastest roofing nailer in Texas - pop, pop, pop, pop, miner stories, etc. Thanks for the story Okie-Tom
You're getting good at this TH-cam thing! You've come a long way since your first one on the old VHS camera. Thanks for all the valuable info, and have a great weekend, Jerry.
Thanks - I never really thought about doing it and was a bit camera shy but my wife encouraged me to do it so here we are a couple of years later. You're right about the old VHS - I ended up selling the old girl on Ebay - Panasonic PV950 Omni Movie - the kind you carry on your shoulder! Have a great weekend and good to hear from you as always :)
Lakeside Autobody , I agree with Erich, I have learned a lot from you. You are getting better and better at it!
@@Okie-Tom Thanks Okie-Tom - I'm glad you guys enjoy the content. Looking forward to another year of video making. Have a good weekend :)
Excellent video. My employer just purchased one of these and im gonna use this thing a lot!
Thanks GC - thanks for watching. Here's an old instruction manual showing all the different pulls that can be done - s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.autobodytoolmart.com/downloads/tech-sheets/BodyStraightener.pdf
Thank you so much for all the informative materials you provide.
It has helped me do more for my self.
That's good to hear John. Hope it can save you some money over the years :)
Omgg this was what I was looking for! Thanks for the informative instructions
You're welcome :)
I'm glad I found ur channel.
Thanks - I'm glad you found it too. Feel free to ask any ? - doesn't have to relate to video. I usually answer comments/?s once or twice a day.
I need to get one of these Frame machines!!!...Great vid Jerry!
Thanks UPK - Still going to get down there and see you one day :)
@@LakesideAutobody sounds good I look forward to it!
A Lakeside/UPK collaboration would be EPIC!! Spreading the knowledge and good will world wide!
@@erichzimmerman797 definitely would be EPIC!!!
@@erichzimmerman797 That'd be nice to make it a reality - we'll work on it :)
Very informative video. I hope your next one continues where this one left off. Stay warm.
It will - have a good weekend :)
Great video. This looks like portable gear ? I never knew this existed.
My frame man uses the old original version of this on frame work of my 40's to 70's classic cars. He says you should NOT pull or push off of the connecting center bar (the bar that goes from pinch weld clamp to pinch weld clamp) because the transfer of load can bend the center of this pipe and suck your rockers in. He claims it happened that way to a fellow worker some years ago. He says that you should attach a chain to each connecter pipe near the pinch weld clamp. This will form a chain style V that attaches to the frame machine lower section. So the stress is on the two v chains instead of the center of the connector pipe which pulls in on the rockers. What do think of his concern? BTW, I just noticed that the instruction manual for this Frame machine, shows using chains in a V fashion as he said.
Yes that's probably true for the old kind - I actually used to use that set up (the bar was bent too!). The pipe was round and much weaker than the rectangle bar this set up has. The bar won't bend so you don't have to worry about it. I think they addressed that when engineering this puller but stole the instructions from an somewhere else 'cause you can tell they're old. I don't know why they didn't write their own. You can use the chains too but I like to push against the bar as it puts even, parallel pressure on the rockers. That's an individual decision though - as long as it works for you :)
The dozer is pushed against the bar or with a chain as you say and also to avoid damage, long weld seam clamps are used. The original dozer from Blackhawk was called a damage dozer and for that device you can buy options for thousands of dollars. I have various aiming systems. With a damage dozer with a lot of options you can make the heaviest accident cars, today this is forgotten by many who do not know this
I have a lot of original Blackhawk books in which the instructions for use are illustrated. Centerline gauges were also used. I love the system and I can tell you that I have a straightening bench with an electronic measuring system, as well as a dozer, you can make everything with it provided you have knowledge
Great job on the video, perfect timing, just bought a used dozer with out pinch weld clamps, going to have to fab some somehow, lol
Thanks. That would be interesting to see some home made rocker clamps :)
Nice one Jerry 👍🏻
Thanks 👍 nice to hear from you V8man. Have a good week :)
That setup may be okay for light pulling but a 2 clamping system used with an old L style puller has been obsolete for over 30 years. Cars are so lightly built today they need some type of 4 clamp system on the rocker pinch welds to avoid damaging them. Good luck, you may need it.
You're right - all high volume shops use 4 clamps systems either drive on or pull pots in the floor for sure.... this is really all I could fit in an 18x21 garage with a bunch of stuff I need to throw out :)
Great video and informative thank you Jerry
You're welcome - always good to hear from you :)
If my truck door is oil canning can I just use the stud welder ?
You could try it. Do you mean use the heat from the stud welder? Like weld a stud, clip it, smack it, cool it? That just might be an easy answer to a problem that has plagued body men for years - really. I'm going to give it a try. Have a good week end :)
@@LakesideAutobody Thank you
where did you buy that frame machine?
Gracias por tus videos , e aprendido mucho en tu canal , 👍🏼
My dad used to drive a Datsun B210 - great little car. Here's where I got the frame machine: www.autobodytoolmart.com/product/champ-10-ton-body-straightener-kits/champ-frame-equipment? De nada.
Ten un excelente fin de semana
@@chriskiefer8365 I think the 4 clamp one would be more versatile for sure. Every step up has a few more advantages. I think this will do most fame work but you'll have to get creative sometimes. It doesn't really take up that much space in the garage when not in use too and that's a real plus - have a good weekend :)
@@chriskiefer8365 You're welcome :)
Saludos desde Costa Rica
Thanks - Saludos desde Michigan 😊
excelent, hi sir, where can I get one of this frame., machine.,
www.autobodytoolmart.com/product/10-ton-body-straightener-kits/automotive-frame-racks If you get one, make sure you get the foot pump 😊
Is there an exact spot on the pinch weld these clamps should go?
No. Generally they go as far to the rear or front as possible. When there's 4 clamps, you'll want to keep them as far apart as possible for max holding power.
Where did your 4 post lift go?
It has the ability to roll - came with wheels that you attach. I rolled it outside - have a good weekend :)
Excellent
Thank you so much 😀
Good job thank you for sharing
You're welcome :)
Stanley can you do side pulls like sidesways collision
Yes - see this video: th-cam.com/video/ybwR7VcclhA/w-d-xo.html - my name is Jerry btw :)
"Frame straightening" in a "small garage" made "easier" with "car dollies" to go along with the "tool truck" ground-level, hand-operated, portable and clamp-on "frame machine" that can "repair" any "bent frame" by "clamping" onto "body panels" spot-welded and "laminated" together and as far "outboard" of the actual "frame rails" in the "big steel box" aka "unibody" of any "unibody car" out there.
As long as the "bent frame" isn't "bent" anywhere but at the "center of gravity, it "bent" without twisting and/or buckling, it's "bent" only so slightly that all four "points" are still on the "frame machine" and the jack stand/dollie "frame rack" AND you want to make "frame work" videos to "enjoyable" Top 40 album cut-length "how-to" videos that never actually end show "frame straightening" with actual "pulling" much less a "finished product" and a PAST-TENSE TITLE LIKE "FRAME STRAIGHTENING BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER "HIGHLIGHTS".
Thanks DeereMeyer - Happy Holidays 🎄❄🎄🏈😊
Can you tell us where to buy this frame machine from? And approximately how much would it cost? Thanks! Keep up the great videos.
www.autobodytoolmart.com/product/champ-10-ton-body-straightener-kits/auto-body-frame-straightening-equipment I went with the foot pump option so the cost was - $1724.00
can this machine do side pulls?
Yes - watch this Friday's video 6/3/2022
Hi, Just Wondering, How would You set up to do a Side Pull?
Here's the instructions for the unit - s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.autobodytoolmart.com/downloads/tech-sheets/BodyStraightener.pdf I use it like this - th-cam.com/video/RSopz6XWncQ/w-d-xo.html
Name of the machine itself or where to get this one?
www.autobodytoolmart.com/product/10-ton-body-straightener-kits/automotive-frame-racks Make sure you get the foot pump :)
Would this work on a full frame suv?
Yes - it is a bit limited on the angles of pulls but if you get creative, I think you could do 90% of the stuff. Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody Awesome thanks!
humm I dont know how good that gonna work
Here's the next part if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/bXBjBVl3Cu8/w-d-xo.html
65 great one bubby
Thanks - good hearing from you Superglide - hope everything is good with you :)
Spec on ram
Иииии ччччЁ? ??
Что ты хочешь этим сказать?
Какраз то что хотел автор показать))
@@ВовкаВовк-с3у ОК - привет из Мичигана
@@LakesideAutobody а шо там так хорошо??
В Мичигане хорошо.