Starboard The Wall VS Touring S 12'6 x 28" 2021 / Comparison Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2021
- Comparison Review of Starboard's The Wall vs Touring S model: supboardermag.com/2021/10/16/...
The Wall
• The Wall is an innovative design from Starboard that pushes the boundaries of the touring space. The 4.75" thick board makes it super stable on the water as it gives you a lower centre of gravity. The 2" thick wall design adds stiffness, whilst keeping the water out that splashes over the nose of the board. A fantastic day touring board, lighter weight riders will benefit from the thin rails and speed that this board provides. Although there could be some alterations made, we feel the innovation speaks loud enough. We're excited by the future of The Wall.
Touring S
• The Touring S model is aimed at the lighter weight rider being only 28" wide. You have the ability to store a lot of gear on the board which makes this a great expedition board. Stability is sacrificed slightly from the 6" of thickness on a narrow board, however smaller ridders wouldn't feel this issue. Again, there could be some additions to the board that will bring it up to a real expedition, but the speed and glide of this board are highlights. - กีฬา
Great review
Thanks!
Very cool concept that seems great for choppy conditions, But the trapped water would drive me crazy!
Yeah pros and cons.
J ai la The Wall 14/28 depuis 200km en 40 jrs elle est top 👍 j avais avant aussi un racé redwoodpaddle 14/29 là starboard a une stabilité de fou et permet de ce concentrer sur le pagayage
Thanks for adding your feedback. Happy paddling Reuben SUPboarder
Thanks for the comparison! I am interested in excatly those two boards since several month but i could never decide, which one i prefer. Nice to see both boards side to side in a video. I really like the fact, that the wall is so thin and that you stand so low near the watersurface. I am interested, if Starboard is coming out with an updated version maybe for 2022 for both ?! :)
Why not throw the 14’ by 28 airline in the mix ?
I'm 99.99% sure they are the same shape and sizes. Graphics may have a very, very small change but nothing I can spot. So not worth holding back for. Thanks Reuben
PS.. Im not sure about bag or pump though!
@@SUPboardermag Great, thanks for the reply. Now i bought the 12.6 Wall and my first impression is absolutly great. Cant wait, to test it on the next weekend. :) I got my board directly from Starboard an it does not have a handle in the front and the valve is in the middle. Thats interesting...🤔
@@koejoe Also a very interesting board. But im not sure, if i am the biggest fan of the rope construction. Also one extra step each time, when inflating/deflating the board. But i would have to test it in reality, to form an opinion. :) Do you have expierence with the Airline Model?
@@MrMetalMarcel I got to demo one. The rope makes it feel more stiff all the way thru. I agree thou, one more thing to perhaps think about.. congrats on the new Wall !
Great review as always ! Too bad starboard didn’t have a 5.20” thick, dual chamber, 15.6” by 27” airline with slight nose rocker/width 🤔 for all my race/downwind and touring needs hahaha 🤣. Value for money I think the touring zen 12’6 by 30” is the best lightest Isup I have every tried and recommend to anyone.
Thanks for the comment koejoe, yeah there always another board shape that could be made.. lol.
I agree with you that the Zen gear is great value and nice and light. Thanks Reuben
Since I am not a very athletic paddler, there is no way that a board narrower than 30" could be considered Touring, it's already racing for me XD Jokes aside, great review as usual! ^___^
Thanks Giulio
Very helpful review, thanks guys. At 5'3" and 50kg I think I basically need a 28" tourer that's 4.75" thick, I'm really hoping that Starboard will bring this out for 2022. Front and rear handles are a no brainer, please put them on everything Starboard!
Great comment Alli. Yes a 4.75 or 5" is what you want for sure.
You can buy the 12.6 x 28 x 4.75 Touring S Tikhine Wave. I OWN one, it is an incredible seaworthy board. I Bought it march 29 2022, I already paddled it 58 times in the monsoon conditions of Phuket”s west coast mainly. A few days ago I demo an Allstar Airline 12.6 x 27 x 6 and got extremely disapointed. I didn”t feel any difference with the increased stiffness but the stabilty was poor, just the impression to paddle on a wood log. I fell many times. I was lucky to be able to demo this 6 inches high board and do not make the error to buy a 14.0 x 26 x 6 Allstar airline. REUBEN AND YOU MUST AGREE , for paddlers lighter than 70 kg a 14.0 x 28 x5 is missing in the touring range. It could suit to paddlers 50 to 90 kg. Actually the 14.0 x 28 x 6 is up to 110kg , far too much. In the same spirit of the Tikhine Wave I would call it the Tikhine Swell. Having only a Honda 500 here in Phuket I do not want to buy a car to carry an hardboard and to rent a place to store it. Tomorrow if I want, I can fly to Vietnam and the next day paddle Halong bay with my wonderful Tikhine Wave. My average speed is about 6,5 km per hour in the actual windy and choppy sea conditions . My top speed on a surf 16km/ h and only 16,5 km/ h with the Allstar Airline . I was an experienced sea kayaker ans surfskier ( + 45 000 km at sea) before becoming addicted to the simplicity and versatility of the i SUP. I WISH THE SUPBOARDER TEAM can transmit my wish of a Touring S 14.0 x 28 x 5 to the headquarters of Starboard here in Thailand at Samut Prakan ( Bangkok)
Starboard answered my wishes and I own an amazing Tikhine now!
Should have got Danny Dyer in to review 'The Wall' 😉
It seems that most of your comments relate to the fact that the board is 4.75 inches thick. Would you not get all these advantages with just a thinner touring S model (without the carry issues and maybe with the additional bungees)?
What was the design philosophy for The Wall? I don't get what the wall on The Wall does, except stopping water slopover hitting your feet.
Hi Phil - great question. I think the Wall has a few purposes that are not just purely 4.75 inch thick related - stiffen the board, allow better secondary stability (but creating a side wall) and secure cargo more securely. I do not think that the preventing water over the deck benefit it creates was one of the design objectives, but it does help. On thinner boards, particularly those with low noses / flat rockers this is a small draw back as it will slow the board as water comes across the deck. This is a bigger problem in chop. Lifting the nose with a nose kick can prevent this water coming onto the deck, but that also slows the board and worsens its tracking.....by reducing waterline length.... I think what the waterline does has solve a problem with thinner boards that perhaps hadn't even entered our thoughts..... the feeling of being on a thinner board as a lighter rider is awesome, but like everything it comes with pros AND cons. I like what they have done here, its not perfect but I think its got its place... for the right rider. I hope that helps a little! Will - SUPboarder
@@SUPboardermag thanks for the in depth comment. I took a look at the Starboard literature on the board and it says much the same. As you say, pros and cons. I'd love to see a straight 4.75 touring board to compare stiffness.
We will try and sort that out as a test. I feel the Wall is about 30% stiff at least. Thanks Reuben SUPboarder
This is tricky, I really want to upgrade to a touring board from a red co 10'6 ride. I'm 5'8 at 65kg and a beginnner-intermediate rider. I have had difficulty deciding between the Touring 28" or 30", sounds like 28" might still be too wobbly for me. To be honest you didn't make the Touring S sound that great saying it lacks stability and tracking, but you have given good reviews of the 30" in the past. Also you mentioned being 85kg means the board is less stable but then say weighing it down with gear would improve stability? I'm a little confused! I see they make a 4.75" thick Tikhine but it's sold out everywhere.
Thanks for the comment. With your size, the 28" should be a good choice as you are a light weight rider. Only go for the 30" if you are cautious about stability. The boards are quite light weight so myself being heavier and taller means I tip the board easier (which is why I personally didn't rate the Touring S very highly, but works well for lighter riders like yourself) - with extra gear it would make the board seem heavier which would sit the board a little deeper in the water adding to the stability. These touring boards are meant to carry some gear which is why they work better with heavier loads. Hope this answer your questions. Cheers, Beau
It's very hard right now to find Starboards SUP in general. And for the Tikhine version is harder. The mess in China didn't help, even right now in the Shangai port. Maybe next year.. or you should check for other brands, if you wanna stick with inflatable SUP.
Recently I have been trying out the old Starboard Astro Touring 11’6 x 30 x 4.75 x 237 R. I am 70kg and really like this board on flat water and at 4.75 I feel closer to the water (not carrying any gear). Unfortunately, Starboard don't sell this board anymore. What would you recommend, as not sure whether the Zen or the SC Deluxe would be best
Zen is great construction and lightweight for a cheaper price. The Deluxe SC uses advanced construction technology which makes the board stronger and stiffer, so it really depends on your budget. It's a shame Starboard don't have the 5" or under option on their touring boards anymore, expect for the Tikhine and The Wall. The Wall is a great option, but if you are looking for something shorter in length, maybe trying another brand like Shark SUPs with the 11'8 x 30 x 5" could be a better fit. Hope this helps. Beau
@@SUPboardermag Thanks Beau. As I understand it, the Tikhine is basically a Zen construction. Not sure about the 28" width though. As I am 70kg, how much kit would I be able to carry? I'll will have a look at the Shark SUP's
Hey Mark sorry Beau is away at the moment. At you weight you will still be able to take 30kg of gear distributed around the board. Thanks Reuben
I wonder if the "wall" system could be incorporated into the future Airline range - I'd love to see a 4.75 inch thick Airline with the rigidity of a 6 inch plus stringer!
Wouldn't that be cool! One to tell Starboard for sure 😉
@@SUPboardermag You're better connected to them than me to pass it on 😉😄
What is about the starboard Touring Tikhine? Is is like the Starboard Touring Deluxe but also 4‘75 and 12‘6 x 30.
Hi Anne . Yes you are right. It's a Deluxe single chamber board DSC, that is only available in 4'75 and looks better then any of the other board I think!
Maybe you should compare it with The Wall 😉 I haven‘t seen any review of it. Red Paddle will also offer a Voyager in 4‘75.
I agree this is something we need to test. We will try and track down the boards. Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Any luck finding a tikine?
@@Spaceghost4201 I have a shop, looking for tikhine for months. Not yet.
What is better for me at 58kg and 165cm, the Touring Deluxe single chamber at 6" thickness or the Tikhine Touring Deluxe single chamber at 4.75" thickness?
We'd definitely recommend the Tikhine Touring at 4.75" thickness for your size. Lightweight riders will benefit greatly with stability and paddling ease on a thinner board. Hope this helps. Thanks, Beau
of course the best compromise of those two boards has a name: the Tikhine Wave. I own one TW it is incredebly seaworthy. And for lighter paddlers and women wishing to go for a 14 feet board the missing board in the Touring Range is a 14 x 28 x 5 instead of 6 inches thick. Its name would ideally be the" Tikhine Swell." I suggested this to Starboard but they did not give me the right answer. they only said I was the first in 4 years to complaint about the huge difference of stability between my Tikhine Wave 12.6 x 28 x 4.75 and the Allstar Airline 12.6 x 27 x 6. It seems Raul Delgado never watched your video Reuben , and did hear when you said the 6 inches boards are too high above the water for lightweight paddlers .
@@didierplouhinec4899 we should make the board :) I honestly love my inexpensive heavy 30lbs Zray 14’x28x6. I weigh 72.5 kg. I think a 14’x26.7x4.75 would just be so much nicer. In rough chop I am question if I should get the airline downwind but am now wondering if the wider tour nose shape would make up for it. I really wanna try a Tikhine now even though my weight might be just at its limit ? A 4.75 Airline or dual chamber would make up for the potential deflection increase ? Makes me wonder ?
Koejoe, personnaly when I paddled the allstar airline 12.6 x 27 x6 up wind and downwind I found it unstable . It comes mainly from the lack of volume in the bow compared to the Tikhine wave. Up wind the airline was a worst submarine than the Tikhine its bow bury in the waves while the Tikhine is the right compromise . Of course the front deck get washed constantly but the windage is so reduced that you can really paddle up or sidewind for longtime. I can even say I enjoy paddling sidewind with my Tikhine, and then for many kilometers I can keep paddling on the same side and keep a straight course. Your weight of 72,5 kg is not at the limit of this board which can accept a paddler up to 85 kg. I have a log book where I write all my paddling sessions, best average speed on a distance of 16,3 km: 3,94 knots. On that return from koh Hey to Rawai ( Phuket) 7,6 km open sea in 59 mn= 7,72 kph or 4,17 knots. Last monday downwind 3,4 km in 23 mn= 4,78 knots or 8,86 kph. I paddled 4,1 km up wind 14 knots for an hour before. Best speed ever on a surf at sea 9,07 knots 16,8 kph. I carry my board on a motobike 500cc that’s why I need a longer and faster 14 x 28 x 5 to go faster and still keep the advantages of an inflatable board. Having an hardboard would be fantastic but to buy this 1000 euros board means I would have to buy a 5000 euros car and rent a storage for the board too.
Yes maybe the Allstar Airline Downwind 14.0 x 28 x 6 could be the solution but you need to find a solution to demo it before you buy. The special downwind bow should be great but the board will lose a bit of its speed on flatwater due to the bigger rocker, I would be interested to paddle it to compared. SUPBOARDER would surely be happy to compare the Airline downwind 14.0 x 28 x 6 to the Touring S 14.0 x 28 x 6. The shape and size of the Allstar Airline doesn’t facilitate the transport on my Honda 500. I dont like the EVA sides.
habitant sur la cote d azur nous avons beaucoup de clapot et de vent pour le mur il faut ce mettre legerement plus en arriere pour que le nez n enfourne pas la vague et cela permet aussi d evacuer l eau emprisonner sur le pont je la gonfle a 18 PSI pour 84kilos je me demande ci il est possible de gonfler a 20/22 psi
Hi Thierry, thank you for your comment. I feel the board could take 20psi for sure. But the board felt very stiff for us at 18psi. The side walls really make a difference. Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag merci 🙏
se mettre en arrière evacue peut être mieux l eau mais ne facilite surement pas la remontée au vent. Ma Tikhine Wave de 4.75 pouces d epaisseur passe mieux dans le clapot et est beaucoup plus stable que la Allstar Airline de 12.6x 27x6 sur laquelle je manque d equilibre. Son etrave soit disant transperce les vagues sans la ralentir...ce n est pas ce que j ai ressenti. le nose se plante et vous desequilibre vers l avant. la hauteur de 6 pouces ne convient pas à un pagayeur de moins de 70 kg.