Yeah, that’s a hard one for me. Like his riff and hook writing style is definitely pushing the boundaries. I think he is a huge inspiration for people like MGF and Charlie Robbins. Like his style may not be my personal favorite (I prefer Plini and Joseph Anidjar and the abasi bois), but it’s undeniable that his composition style is hugely influential to the guitar playing that is in vogue rn.
@@MaddMag Tim had a big influence on Ichika too, but Ichika is able to be both technical and deeply emotional in his playing. I think Tim has maybe forgotten his own words about flexing. I'd rather listen to Hourglass or Nightmare for the millionth time instead of listening to anything off the new album again.
he's more of a better composer than a guitarist. I've seen him play improv guitar playing and his skill level just drops. He said in one video that he doesn't care about progressing, he just wanna make good music and progression is just a byproduct of that.
@Mer Luzo and he does that… some of my favorite songs of all time are from Mateus. I like him not “just” because of his playing but more for the universe he creates with his music, his own compositions
It seems odd to place Ichika in S for his ability to "make an atmosphere, having versatility in his playing, and being able to play without over production." But then place Mateus in A And it seems really weird to say that Manuel is pushing the boundaries of modern music and being innovative and unique Then placing Tim Henson, the person who essentially pioneered the sound that Manuel himself would quote for being one of his biggest inspirations (and changing his sound completely from Unprocessed earlier work after Real's success with Tim Henson's Collab) for being "technical for the sake of being technical." Manuel isn't? And if Manuel isn't, then there's absolutely no way that Tim is either. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of modern Polyphia, but they've pioneered not one, not two, but THREE (Muse, which inspired the shreddy happy "prog" that everyone bit afterwards. Renaissance, which was a departure yet an evolution of the Muse sound, which also resulted in crazy influence, AND this TMH/NLND/RYWD sound that is likely been the biggest push and evolution of guitar based genres since the 80s.) Even within the clip you showed of Manuel, that doesn't seem "technical for the sake of being technical" at least a little? Obviously, of course, this is your own personal list, but I just very much disagree with the reasons given, and I feel the reasons are sort of vague as well. If you're free to clarify, I might totally be missing something. While I vehemently disagree with the list (which makes sense, it is YOUR list and not mine.) do respect the content and it was a fun watch! I wish you the best in the future!
FYI, I am not a huge Tim Henson Stan either. I stopped following Polyphia after NLND (good album, not my preferred sound) and to some degree, I think I'm known in my group as someone ridiculously harsh on Polyphia (Especially their newest album.) But I do think that there's a wild understatement to both Tim Hensons innovation (not only now, but across the last decade,) his honing of thumping (which was considered a bit of a stunt technique when not used by Tosin, until Tim gave it a completely new identity), his influence (especially over artists that everyone respects, like Manuel and so on) as well as their consistent release discography. (Massively relevant, as Mateus lacks discography, Ichika has good discography but far less relevant nowadays and far less innovative now compared to his earlier works.)
For the sake of condensing the video, I tried to make my points quick and to the point. This ranking didn't have consistent metrics because if I thought about it too much, I'd end up moving everyone around. Tim and Polyphia have indeed helped build a foundation for a majority of the styles we associate with modern guitar. My main focus was to just rank in terms of what I've been enjoying the most lately and this list very closely resembles that. Objectively, Tim has undoubtedly done a lot for the instrument, but that wasn't a measurement I wanted to tie too heavily in my ranking since I wanted to make it MY list not an objective one. Great comment, I appreciate it! Also the clip for Manuel wasn't meant to be referenced by my claim about technicality.
@Jaema I totally agree with u, tim is pioneered, he's inspired me also as a guitarist. He changed my styles of playing guitar. Even the legend steve vai himself said that tim is no 1 anticipated guitarist of this era. Sorry, i'm not agreed of the list About ichika in s tier, manuel, tremonti, even jason richardson...all of it is wrong i think
@@monfloral I’m a personal massive polyphia fan, and I can see where ur coming from. I personally absolutely love them and everything they do but I have found a pattern where they create a very simple and boring original guitar piece that many don’t like and is quite badly made but then he just puts all his effort into making it difficult and get people talking abt it, so if that’s in a way what u meant I completely understand
I agree with this when it comes to his youtube chanel, but not with his actual music on spotify. In his actual music it dosent seem to me that there is anything that is the without a musical reson.
Mark Tremoniti: "S tier bc he innovates with the guitar so much" Tim Henson: "B tier because let's be honest, anyone could have made a whole new genre with the guitar" Lol okay
Not a professional comparison…. It’s extremely unfair that JR in C and Tim+Scott is in B only, they should in S because JR can play things that other cannot play such as XIV+behold. Tim and Scott are creative player that trying use a lot of styles and techniques such as 40oz and Playing God. Manuel also should be in S tier because his shred also very hard and with unique style, “Prototype” is a great example. Tosin Abasi S tier for sure, no excuses.
I'm guessing you maybe haven't heard Yvette's personal work, but I do agree with you on Covet sounding same'ish. I wish you also had included Mario Camarena and/or Erick Hansel.
I would've included Chon if they didn't fall off the face of the earth 😭 I've listened to some of Yvette's personal work, specifically the project with the burning house. This was just an overall opinion but she has a few songs that I very much enjoy
mateus is easily S tier and easily the best modern guitarist and on the level of legends of the last. He also paved the way for guitarists like Tim Henson and itchika nakito and their styles
It's fun to see people ignite in the one discussion you open. I want to practice hard so that I can one day enter your tier list (It's a translator, so please understand if the grammar is weird)
hey man! lovely video! just a suggestion - i think you forgot to add Jakub Zytecki here. His compositions are pretty S tier. He combines ambient + electronica + little bursts of virtuoso to really make something unique
@David Abhishek I for sure could've added Jakub along with a few others but to condense the list, I left him out. And honestly, I just didn't think he was as popular as some of the other guitarists in this list. Considering how many people brought him up in the comments, I seem to have been mistaken
There are so many great players and we all love them for the styles they inspire us with. You cant categorize any player. We love them all for what they do and bring to the table...inspiring us. As many players as there are out there, there are more just picking up a guitar who listen to all these guys and pull things they love from them all. You aint heard nothing yet!
Gotta say, while I disagree a bit on what you said about Tim Henson coming off almost as technical for the sake of being technical, I did enjoy seeing you place him below Manuel. I've been learning riffs from both of those guys recently, and man oh man Manuel's stuff is way harder to get down in my experience. Plus, I love how he experiments with super weird/unique tones. Seeing that you included Tremonti in this video, I'm curious where you would have placed Synyster Gates. I would say I probably see Syn the way you see Tremonti in that he's more of a traditional sort of player that's been around for a bit, I just don't listen to Tremonti's bands nearly as much as I do A7X
Depending on the measurement, Tim is most certainly a top tier guitarist and I in no way meant to make it seem like he’s “bad” Manuel is seriously insane though and I haven’t tried learning any of his riffs but I could imagine they’re tough. In terms of Synyster Gates, he’s a LEGEND
What you said about TIm. doesnt make sense. Your first statement "he is incredible at making you hear the hook and bring you in and making you listen" then you say the complete opposite.
The thing with Ichika Nito that I've noticed is how absolutely precise his use of counterpoint is. Not like baroque counterpoint, but the way he creates his melodies and voicings have an amazing sense of propulsion and nuance. Even his older works like "i miss you", there's alot to digest in the A section alone that teaches a lot about how to harmonize a simple melody without using similarly structured chords on every note (and transcribing it is a bit of a pain :P). In that sense, I think he's one of the real modern landmarks in both technique and harmony.
I am a solid follower of this, what is his name oh yeah Mon Floral Garden. Pretty ballzy to include one self in this type of list and rate one self. Did you think about where they would have rated themselves? Did you look at the finished list, did that feel right? Did you consider how your followers will respond? I hope you haven't hurt yourself here. Do you know what it means in psychological terms to speak of yourself in the third person? I follow your reasoning but a list like this might be titled something subjective like "Guitarists that I like to listen to". That being said if this was intended to get your audience to engage and comment well done. Putting yourself on the same level as Tim Henson is a bold move. It seems like you might have alienated your audience this time. I like to listen to your original music more than anyone on this list. However the talent of, and contributions to modern guitar made by these individuals should not be disrespected. That is my take.
@@definitelynotanAIchatbot not true, they denounced this themselves on their discord, they have been planning to take a break for a while so are now on indefinite hiatus.
@@Lokidooki I guess you could say Jason isn't as original because he still does Modern instrumental metal with similarities to other music but all the others like ichika and Manuel have their own sound and are just as original and creative as tim there's also tosin who is one of the inspirations for polyphia
@@nose16 jason is a technical wizard who is only great at doing one thing, Tim invented the "insta guitarist" sound that both ichika and manuel based their whole careers on. Tosin is amazing, but AaL is hard to listen to for more than one song, so what if he taught tim how to thump?
@@Lokidooki tim didn't invent the Insta guitarist sound and ichika and Manuel are very different to tim they haven't based their stuff of him ichika is more lofi clean stuff that's really nice nice to listen to and Manuels style is way different to tims the similarity is that they all do math rock
Started to turn this off as soon as I saw where Tim landed. Especially hearing how the dude after Tim “changed the way people play guitar”. Tim is kind of the face of reimagining guitar and got discredit because he’s… doing it too much??? Bruh. Respect ur opinions tho but ya
"If you're not doing the right things for the ears, whose listening to it?" While you just said he's the internet's favorite guitarist....so by that wouldn't that mean the majority like tims playing??? I'm confused lol
My concept didn’t directly apply to them and you’re right, that wouldn’t make any sense. It was a general claim I was making in reference to my statement saying that they were heading down a road of putting technicality first. Regardless, poor structuring on my end though so I apologize for the confusion
Totally agree on Plini and handmade cities. He is always tasteful and not shred for technicality alone. Composition is always an amazing range and doing what is right for the soul of the song. I would move tim up one for the innovative quality of the sound... new levels new devils is up there for me... all of it not just Goat. Love animals. No brainer for the top shelf.
Manuel above tim does right for me. Manuel doesn't get much attention for his art. I would say ichiko has little edge for Composition about Manuel but is somewhat linear branching out from a style. And yes modern shredders are losing the feel and musicality to technicality.
I don't listen to much of Jason Richardson, but I'd put him up in at least an A-tier because he grew up like less than 30 minutes away from me. It's nice seeing a big artist who makes big waves be from the same area as me, and motivates me to become the next big artist to come out of the area. Amazing video, I do disagree with a few placements, but hey, it's personal opinion.
I would put Mateus Asato in S-tier. Also I would switch Tim/Scott with MGF. Hard to make a video like this because it will never please everyone lmao. I think we can all agree though that every single guitarist on this list is phenomenally talented.
Mateus asato deserves to be at the very top. I believe everyone would agree that he can play anything that comes out of a guitar. A rare piece of talent out of billions, simple. I also suggest the guitarist of I built the sky that he deserves to be here on the list. So talented modern musician. Thank you
I just skipped to the Plini chapter, you played my favorite clip of his, possibly ever, and then mentioned hes your favorite. I definitely need to check out this Mon Floral guy since you obviously have great taste.
I think manuel's style is good balance between technique and a real music. Tim can play guitar and can write good, catchy hooks for polyphia (and music overall) but also he can sound too robotic and too technical to enjoy what I just hate about him.
@@tomczak44 Hard disagree, for me it's legit the exact opposite. Manuel usually does way too much and lacks melody, while tim usually lays it back more and only flexes every one in a while. Like, wtf is the melody in this piece?? After the tapping harmonics. th-cam.com/video/XGmoZn0nbrY/w-d-xo.html
@@jamesstent I think its more friendly to the casual bread eater. Have you listened to ego death where after intro he just throw this nonsense riff to fill the song, like this fragment there is not much musical meaning just flexing.
Tim B tier for that reason when he has more listeners than most guitarists above him is so weird. I do like Plini stuff more but TIm has been the greatest guitarist of our time since Alan Holdsworth.
so just because you can't digest the sound of what Tim does means that it is "too much" like come on lets be serious. so im assuming on songs like playing god you hear the bridge riff and your just like "this is too much and he's just showing off". its not that you put him in the B-tier , but solely alone for that reason is just really silly to me. you can use that point towards literally anyones music you think is "too technical". I could've made a tier list like that and put Tim at S-tier and Abasi at B-tier, and I put abasi B just because it's "too technical". At the same time I feel like you're trolling because respectfully ive never heard of mark travonti. im pretty sure Yvette's duck that is on covet's insta page has more respect in the guitar world than him.
@chaytoninsthere I absolutely LOVE Polyphia. Obviously this ranking isn't meant to be taken too seriously, but Polyphia is capable of creating some seriously INCREDIBLE tunes. I truly believe the band will continue to flourish, so I play the skeptic card in order to be met with the high standards I hold them to. Playing God is an all time favorite from them because I could really FEEL the music. Their guitar playing has improved immensely but it comes through as almost robotic. That doesn't mean the music is bad because it is far from that, but it's missing that extra umph that they used to consistently deliver.
@L L I wouldn't even say they don't have actual melodies because even now some of them are pretty killer, but this concept is exactly what I'm describing
@@monfloral nobody dares to make this kind of tier list on this guitarist, because they are way over everyone’s range. Can’t you really feel the feedback?
@@Andrei.c.prod. yea, what he did is super subjective..in my opinion every each one of them is S tier, every each one of them have a characteristic. So i'm not agree with the list
My personal ranking: S-Tier: Ichika Nito, Mateus Asato A-Tier: Tosin Abasi, Plini, Yvette Young B-Tier: Mark Tremonti, Scott LePage C-Tier: Jason Richardson, Manuel Gardner Fernandes, Tim Henson Let me know what you think, and I can show you why I ranked the guitarists this way.
@@amishah939 Okay if I were to change Tim's place. I would put him maybe at most a B or an A. He does not have the same songwriting chops like Mateus or Ichika to be an S tier.
For me Mateus Asato is easily an S-Tier on my list. Ichika is one of my faves but I'd put him on A-Tier along with Tim/Scott bringing Manuel down B-Tier. It was fun watching and listening to your analysis and seeing other's point of view here in the comments :D
Every guitarrist is good in his own game and way, Tim Henson couldn't make the same vibe as Ichika and viceversa. Just everyone are good in their own way.
Idk, like I love Plini, and he’s an incredible guitarist. But do you think he has the improv chops to the guthrie of our generation? Like I can’t say that he’s head and shoulders above Nick Johnston or Andre Nieri in his improv. Composition-wise Plini is goated, but I feel like improv is where Guthrie Govan stands apart fron most other guitarists. That’s I would hesitate to say he’s our Guthrie Govan
@@MaddMag Agree! When it comes to composition, Plini stomps. But IMO most guitarist (including legends) can't even get close to Guthrie's improv. He's way above there
It seems like a lot of Tim Henson fans didn't grasp what you meant by saying that he's sometimes technical for the sake of being technical. This is absolutely true, and there is no finer display of this than the song Ego Death. The song has such a dramatic emotional shift when Vai makes his entrance that it actually starts to sound like a song instead of someone making an intricate composition on FruityLoops. I think Polyphia has started isolating fans because their music as lost a bit of soul power. Listen to Polyphia's "Finale" compared to a lot of stuff they put out these days. I'm not saying their most recent jams are all bad, just sound way more mechanical and too pristine to actually emulate human emotion or experience.
It's the same criticism Eminem gets as a rapper. Because he has the technical ability to deliver lyrics at a high speed doesn't necessarily makes the song better by default.
Tim Henson in a B category is heart wrecking. But as always, every guitarist has their own opinion on other guitarist so I can respect your opinion on that circumstance
Opinions can be wrong, i think he placed tim there so people would comment, and his video would get more traction from engagement. It worked. Look at the comments on this video compared to all his others. Kinda sad, imo but people do what people do for the algorithm, I guess 🤷
The only issue with these lists is (and maybe it’s not even an issue, just an observation) is most everybody’s opinion and “list” will be different because of what catches your ear. Not bashing your list by any means…but I feel it’s so subjective. I definitely would’ve ranked Richardson higher, but I grew up listening to shred, fell out of it, and am back on loving it again lol.
This exactly! And depending on how you're ranking, these lists can differ drastically. I understood this and wanted to make sure it was known that everyone is amazing and this is just my opinion. Jason is a beast though despite where I placed him
Well this is the second comment I'm making on your channel and I guess they're both gonna mention pronunciation of a guitarist's name lmao. Sithu Aye is pronounced like C2A, just FYI. Cool that you mentioned him at all, he seems to get overlooked IMO. I'm not mad about the rankings tbh. It's nice to see Tremnoti get some praise bc it seems like the current generation isn't very aware of him. Alter Bridge was my fav band for several years as a teenager during the Blackbird/ AB III era before I branched out to more diverse music. I came back around on them tho, their new album was one of my fav releases last year. Also not saying he invented the concept at all but he was part of a big epiphany for me in regards to solo arrangement when I noticed how he often starts by reprising a melody from earlier in the song. I could easily go overboard typing a paragraph for everyone on the list, and even a few who I feel should be but get overlooked, but I'll stop myself lol My only criticism of the list tho would be Tremonti also make too much similar music to me, which is your reason for rating your lowest tier.
On one hand it's great to see such creativity and quality....on the other it's sad AF to see such a completely lack of Rock N' Roll spirit in most of these, and such a sanitized approach.
Ichika is my fav electric guitarist tbh Yvette young is A tier at least for me, I like Midwest emo. Jason Richardson is S tier for me, even though I don’t listen to him much.
He is just disrespecting everyone. He made this on purpose anyway, nobody would ever put guitarist like Manu, Tim or Yvette on a tier list behind boomer style guitarists
I don't listen to plini a lot but I'm gonna give handmade cities a full listen since you speak highly of it! I agree with everything else in the s tier. Though, ichika is mostly popular for riffs he uploads to TH-cam (which sound amazing), but I don't feel like the things he's released have spread and impacted the music/guitar scene the way other guitarists like Tim Henson have and I feel like his stuff sounds kind of similar. I feel like polyphia is a bit much sometimes too and while I don't know if I would say that polyphia is an s tier band, Tim Henson has had a huge impact among guitar players and a lot of people want to sound like him and that speaks a lot. I'd probably put Tim Henson s tier and maybe ichika a tier. Also I respect what you have to say about Yvette young, but she's my favorite guitarist. She may not do all the techniques like Tim Henson or shred like Jason Richardson, but watching the way her fingers just dance so gracefully on the neck is so captivating and the most inspiring thing I've ever experienced. I have a new appreciation for everything I listen to and everything hits differently ever since I started listening to covet and Yvette Young. Also I don't think everything sounds the same necessarily. Their latest album is less note-heavy than their first two eps. Covet also has some songs that definitely are a little more proggy (why I got into them at first) but they're primarily a math Rock band and that genre is just not super edgy. A lot of math Rock in general is just mellow music with a lot of notes and not much beyond that relative to prog and metal. Whether you dig that or not just depends on the listener I guess (covet resonates pretty deeply with me personally so I have some bias lol).
Gotta swap Tim & Manuel around, but thats my preference as really the broke on the scene at similar times, doing similar things really in just 2 different styles. And also put Plini and even Tremonti lower, almost in a tier between S and A because they are amazing but for me Tosin and Ichika are the Hendrix and Jimmy Page of this generation, what they have done for the the guitar world in general is something none of the rest have achieved, they have single handedly moved the boundaries of whats possible on the instrument.
@@monfloral shit lol. You're a ripper let's be clear. Honestly can say haven't encountered anyone with your talent level that's anywhere as modest. Even if it was pretending, they usually can't even joke with themselves like that. Either you belong somewhere on that list.
I know it's a subjective tier list for fun and no harm done here, but putting yourself above Jason Richardson... Oof. I guess it's a troll, but don't be surprised if people start throwing rotten tomatoes in the comments
If we’re ranking them as composers, My S tier would have to be Plini, Henson, Scott, and Ichika. Pure musicians, my S-tier would be plini, Asato and Yvette. I think Tim and Scott are incredible guitarists and composers, but I think they go in the A tier only because they don’t seem to be the same level with their improv. Ichika isn’t my favorite, but I think he deserves an S tier as well. Pure technical skill for guitarists, my S would have to say Richardson, Plini, Tim and Scott, MGF, and Ichika. Jack Gardiner and maybe Owane also come to mind. I think the only guitar who is S tier in all of those categories for me is Plini. I think the only area he might be weak in (compared to other guitarists in the same tier) would be pure technical skill. I think even he would might say that he couldn’t keep up with Richardson’s technicality. Like if you listen to interview with Beato, I think even he says he’s not a super technical guitarist.
@Maglyos Considering the metrics that you used to measure them, I agree almost entirely with that. Polyphia and Plini take the cake for me as composers 1000%
@@jimyang8824 yeah, that’s fair. I’ve never heard him live or watched many live recordings of him, so I can’t really speak on that. Like his playing is no piece of cake, but it doesn’t take the technical mastery that you need to play Nito or Polyphia stuff.
Heres my take, ive listened to all of these musicians for at least 5 years now, and i am very familiar with their abilities and styles. Ichika nito - S tier. Taking into account his bands,( ichikoro, the jpop one,) his sound is incredibly varied and he can play like 5 instruments proficiently. Favorite Songs: Ninja, Samurai, Arpeggios Jason Richardson - A tier, this guy was the first step in my journey to being a prog jazz nerd. He is INCREDIBLY fast and accurate, with some interesting rythym patterns here and there. I agree that his style is pretty bland which is why I put him in A tier, but as far as shreddy music goes, he does it better than most compositionally. Favorite songs: Titan, Omni, Mirrors Tim Henson - B tier. this is the guy that got me start playing guitar, who i discovered through Jason Richardsons collab with polyphia, aviator. He can write hooks really nicely and has great ability but suffers from a couple things. In polyphias music I feel they overprocess their best riffs. When tim released the rich kids riff before nlnd came out that was the coolest thing i had ever heard musically up to that point, and i couldnt wait for the song to come out. But when it finally did the processing kinda ruined the vibe. Some of his best work doesnt make into polyphias repetoire. God Hand is really good, but its just a thump excercise for him. He also plays REALLY sloppy live which can probably be attributed to a couple things: A. tim has admitted he writes music just beyond his capabilities in order to improve himself. Thats how became so good, but it makes the music hard to pull off live. B. im like 90% sure the dude gets stoned before he performs lol His style is for the most part fairly repetitive, with a few hidden gems here and there, overall A tier. Favorite songs: God Hand, Bloodbath, Aviator Mark Tramanti - idk tier Ive never actually heard of this guy, finna go check him out now Yvette Young - easy S tier. She has to be one of the most underrated musicians of all time. She had the hook writing ability of tim henson but with none of the overtechnicality. She plays mostly fingerstyle (incredibly based). I completely disagree that her music all sounds the same. Go listen to her solo piano album (especially jolt) and her accoustic album, they are completely different from covet. Yvette plays piano REALLY well on top of her insane guitar skills (again, go watch her play jolt) She can play VIOLIN really well, and she can SING really well (while she plays difficult guitar riffs). She often plays her guitar in all kinds of different tunings to make certain not often heard chords in guitar centric music more prominent, which is super refreshing. My favorite songs from her: Jolt, Sea Dragon, Howl. Mateus Asato - A tier. His playing is the most clean ive ever heard, and incredibly satisfying to watch. I just wish he would write more music. Plini - A tier, he stuffs so many styles into his music, and it doesnt sound forced. Writes with unvonventional rythyms and chord often. Favorite songs from him: Opening, Salt + Charcoal, Flaneur. Tosin Abasi: S tier. My favorite guitarist of all time, this guy is an absolute monster. The dude can play like jason richardson, but he has backgrounds in Jazz and Classical music and technique and it really shows in his music. The Joy of Motion is THE BEST album EVER released by ANYONE in my opinion. Animals as Leaders really shines when they stray away from the heavy metal and go full prog jazz mode. For that reason, Parrhesia was actually my LEAST favorite album from them. Tosin abasi can shred like a maniac, Adapted victor wootens slap techniques to guitar, creating thumping, and on top of a that he can fingerstyle with the best of them and create harmonically rich chord structures and rythym patterns. My favorite songs: Air Chrysalis, The Future That Awaited Me, The Brain Dance. The last guy on ur list was another idk tier, never heard of him. Some guitarists i think shouldve been on this list but werent: Jakub Zytecki Mario Camerena Erick Hansel Javier Reyes Joshua de la Victoria
I'd swap ichika's and mateus asato's places. Ichika used to be really good with his rpg/fantasy style songwriting but now ichika's faced towards more mainstream style music, therefore making his music less unique. Mateus has always been a phenomenal guitarist who plays with passion and plays every note in a way that makes it feel somehow meanignful. This puts him easily to an S tier
Mario and Erick are incredible guitarists but they haven't been seen or released anything new since 2019 and the game has changed substantially since then
Here's the changes I'd make: - Move Ichika from S tier to A tier. While he is one of the most impressive players I've seen, I personally feel like he suffers from this "stuck in a box" feeling with all of his music and riffs. I honestly don't enjoy listening to his videos that much anymore. I'd say once every 10 videos I see something I like, but that's about it. Don't get me wrong, he's incredibly talented, I think he writes astoundingly beautiful melodies, but his sound just doesn't strike me as memorable every single time. It's only riffs like "I miss you" and "Exotic" and "Heaven Metal" that really stick with me. - Move Scott LePage from B tier to A tier. I really feel like people don't give him credit where credit is due, and that's mostly because, as said in the video: he doesn't have that much solo content to go off of. Unlike Tim, who's style is very non-linear (not quite dynamic, just non-linear), Scott maintains the more traditional, flowy sound which creates incredibly pleasing motifs and riffs. I wouldn't say he's a better player, but that is style isn't as unnecessarily technical at times. - Move Mateus Asato from A tier to S tier. I'm just going to say this flat out: Mateus is probably one of the most talented guitarists I've ever seen; he plays every riff so smoothly that you can just tell he's capable of so much more. He doesn't need to play many notes to create something memorable, just like Plini, who I agree deserves his S tier spot. Mateus is underrated mostly because there isn't a lot to go off of in terms of technicality, but what might sway your opinion is his video where he shows his guest feature on Polyphia's song "Drown". You can really see how smoothly he plays those runs and movements. He's an amazing guitarist. - Finally, move both Jason and Yvette up from C tier to B tier. I agree with your reasonings, but C just feels a little too harsh. Jason has been branching out a lot recently with "p00mbachu", "Ishimura", and "Upside Down" at least, I think. I mean, his playing may sound too similar, but his riffs are incredibly memorable, in my opinion. As for Yvette, her ability to play so dynamically and create such vibes, even if they suffer from the same similar-ness as Jason, are still very memorable. Also, she can sing, play piano, and play violin. So like... I dunno, I feel like placing her in C is selling her a little short. I don't think any guitarist on here is any less than B tier, truthfully. If Sithu Aye and Misha Mansoor were on this list, I'd put both of them in A tier. Both of them share stylistically different, but equally stunning riff writing abilities. Misha's ability to create absolutely amazing djent riffs, and Sithu's ability to create some of the most ear-pleasing jazzy motifs (that always include the lick) are nothing short of crazy. Of course, feel free to disagree with me, this is all subjective, yk? Great video all in all, and I agree with a lot of what you said.
@@monfloral would it be fun to make a video about how unfair is that most guitarists presented there, don’t have the audience and engagement they deserve, so therefore they don’t get payed as much as they really worth? I respect hard work and pure innovation, that’s why I would never dare to place any of them anywhere under GOD LIKE TIER. Something generally true is that Yvette is one of the first guitarists taking guitar to new levels, nobody will ever have the same power, precision and passion as Manuel Gardner Fernandes, and business wise, Tim Henson did what no other guitarist did before and still I consider him underrated and underpaid. Time will pay its debts to this artist💎
Overall good list. I agree that Tim and Scott are B tier, but for a different reason. I agree they are boxed in, but being boxed in is not a bad thing, lots of great guitarists stayed the same and never 'improved' (ie Eddie Van Halen). I think they need to work more on songs, they dont need to change the way they play, just expand to have more songs.
Putting Tim henson in b tier is criminal.
Tim in B and Jason Richardson in C smh. I get what he's saying but it still feels wrong
Yeah, that’s a hard one for me. Like his riff and hook writing style is definitely pushing the boundaries. I think he is a huge inspiration for people like MGF and Charlie Robbins. Like his style may not be my personal favorite (I prefer Plini and Joseph Anidjar and the abasi bois), but it’s undeniable that his composition style is hugely influential to the guitar playing that is in vogue rn.
@@MaddMag Tim had a big influence on Ichika too, but Ichika is able to be both technical and deeply emotional in his playing. I think Tim has maybe forgotten his own words about flexing. I'd rather listen to Hourglass or Nightmare for the millionth time instead of listening to anything off the new album again.
he's more of a better composer than a guitarist. I've seen him play improv guitar playing and his skill level just drops. He said in one video that he doesn't care about progressing, he just wanna make good music and progression is just a byproduct of that.
yeah this tier list is a fucking joke
Tim Henson and Ichika Nito are S class guitarists, I agree that putting Tim in class b is absolutely criminal
Asato is S+ for sure... many people don't really know his technical side but he can literally ace anything
my man was nailing petrucci solos when he was a teenager
Putting Ichika in S and not Mateus is criminal.
@@damienkphoto If I could only pick one guitarist for S tier, it's easily Mateus
@Mer Luzo and he does that… some of my favorite songs of all time are from Mateus. I like him not “just” because of his playing but more for the universe he creates with his music, his own compositions
It seems odd to place Ichika in S for his ability to "make an atmosphere, having versatility in his playing, and being able to play without over production."
But then place Mateus in A
And it seems really weird to say that Manuel is pushing the boundaries of modern music and being innovative and unique
Then placing Tim Henson, the person who essentially pioneered the sound that Manuel himself would quote for being one of his biggest inspirations (and changing his sound completely from Unprocessed earlier work after Real's success with Tim Henson's Collab) for being "technical for the sake of being technical."
Manuel isn't? And if Manuel isn't, then there's absolutely no way that Tim is either. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of modern Polyphia, but they've pioneered not one, not two, but THREE (Muse, which inspired the shreddy happy "prog" that everyone bit afterwards. Renaissance, which was a departure yet an evolution of the Muse sound, which also resulted in crazy influence, AND this TMH/NLND/RYWD sound that is likely been the biggest push and evolution of guitar based genres since the 80s.)
Even within the clip you showed of Manuel, that doesn't seem "technical for the sake of being technical" at least a little?
Obviously, of course, this is your own personal list, but I just very much disagree with the reasons given, and I feel the reasons are sort of vague as well. If you're free to clarify, I might totally be missing something.
While I vehemently disagree with the list (which makes sense, it is YOUR list and not mine.) do respect the content and it was a fun watch! I wish you the best in the future!
FYI, I am not a huge Tim Henson Stan either. I stopped following Polyphia after NLND (good album, not my preferred sound) and to some degree, I think I'm known in my group as someone ridiculously harsh on Polyphia (Especially their newest album.) But I do think that there's a wild understatement to both Tim Hensons innovation (not only now, but across the last decade,) his honing of thumping (which was considered a bit of a stunt technique when not used by Tosin, until Tim gave it a completely new identity), his influence (especially over artists that everyone respects, like Manuel and so on) as well as their consistent release discography. (Massively relevant, as Mateus lacks discography, Ichika has good discography but far less relevant nowadays and far less innovative now compared to his earlier works.)
Amen 🙌
For the sake of condensing the video, I tried to make my points quick and to the point. This ranking didn't have consistent metrics because if I thought about it too much, I'd end up moving everyone around. Tim and Polyphia have indeed helped build a foundation for a majority of the styles we associate with modern guitar. My main focus was to just rank in terms of what I've been enjoying the most lately and this list very closely resembles that. Objectively, Tim has undoubtedly done a lot for the instrument, but that wasn't a measurement I wanted to tie too heavily in my ranking since I wanted to make it MY list not an objective one.
Great comment, I appreciate it!
Also the clip for Manuel wasn't meant to be referenced by my claim about technicality.
@Jaema
I totally agree with u, tim is pioneered, he's inspired me also as a guitarist. He changed my styles of playing guitar. Even the legend steve vai himself said that tim is no 1 anticipated guitarist of this era.
Sorry, i'm not agreed of the list
About ichika in s tier,
manuel, tremonti, even jason richardson...all of it is wrong i think
@@monfloral I’m a personal massive polyphia fan, and I can see where ur coming from. I personally absolutely love them and everything they do but I have found a pattern where they create a very simple and boring original guitar piece that many don’t like and is quite badly made but then he just puts all his effort into making it difficult and get people talking abt it, so if that’s in a way what u meant I completely understand
Putting Tim Henson In B Tier Looks Almost Illegal 💀
«Tim is too technical» puts abasi on s tier hahahaha
In my opinion it's Ichika who's music is technical just for the sake of being technical, I feel the same about Marcin.
thats a fact his music is made to impress
I agree with this when it comes to his youtube chanel, but not with his actual music on spotify. In his actual music it dosent seem to me that there is anything that is the without a musical reson.
@@DANIELSW238 I agree with you completely theree
So many Ichika videos contradict this though
Agree on that
I totally agree with your list. Ichika isn't just technically advanced, his music is so delicate and unique.
Mark Tremoniti: "S tier bc he innovates with the guitar so much"
Tim Henson: "B tier because let's be honest, anyone could have made a whole new genre with the guitar" Lol okay
Not a professional comparison….
It’s extremely unfair that JR in C and Tim+Scott is in B only, they should in S because JR can play things that other cannot play such as XIV+behold.
Tim and Scott are creative player that trying use a lot of styles and techniques such as 40oz and Playing God.
Manuel also should be in S tier because his shred also very hard and with unique style, “Prototype” is a great example.
Tosin Abasi S tier for sure, no excuses.
I'm guessing you maybe haven't heard Yvette's personal work, but I do agree with you on Covet sounding same'ish. I wish you also had included Mario Camarena and/or Erick Hansel.
I would've included Chon if they didn't fall off the face of the earth 😭
I've listened to some of Yvette's personal work, specifically the project with the burning house. This was just an overall opinion but she has a few songs that I very much enjoy
Jasons solos on Nasty and Aviator by Polyphia are really beautiful.
An all time fave!
that s why i knew polyphia.. you must know max ostro too
mateus is easily S tier and easily the best modern guitarist and on the level of legends of the last. He also paved the way for guitarists like Tim Henson and itchika nakito and their styles
B!!!?!?? TIM!!!! B?!?? Our lord and savior at a B?!?!?
It's fun to see people ignite in the one discussion you open.
I want to practice hard so that I can one day enter your tier list
(It's a translator, so please understand if the grammar is weird)
hey man! lovely video! just a suggestion - i think you forgot to add Jakub Zytecki here. His compositions are pretty S tier. He combines ambient + electronica + little bursts of virtuoso to really make something unique
I was thinking of Jakub whilst watching this. He sure needs assistance with raising his profile.
@Rabant777 agreed, bro. but he was one of the og people with plini, sithu aye, david maxim micic in ushering the new era of guitar virtuosity
@@davidabhishektheethythee I'd also add Aaron Marshall to that particular circle.
@@definitelynotanAIchatbot oh yeah! Intervals fyess
@David Abhishek I for sure could've added Jakub along with a few others but to condense the list, I left him out. And honestly, I just didn't think he was as popular as some of the other guitarists in this list. Considering how many people brought him up in the comments, I seem to have been mistaken
There are so many great players and we all love them for the styles they inspire us with. You cant categorize any player. We love them all for what they do and bring to the table...inspiring us. As many players as there are out there, there are more just picking up a guitar who listen to all these guys and pull things they love from them all. You aint heard nothing yet!
As a Tim,Scott and Mateus fan…I clicked “don’t recommendthis channel”after 10s in…it’s a risk to watch further
Gotta say, while I disagree a bit on what you said about Tim Henson coming off almost as technical for the sake of being technical, I did enjoy seeing you place him below Manuel. I've been learning riffs from both of those guys recently, and man oh man Manuel's stuff is way harder to get down in my experience. Plus, I love how he experiments with super weird/unique tones. Seeing that you included Tremonti in this video, I'm curious where you would have placed Synyster Gates. I would say I probably see Syn the way you see Tremonti in that he's more of a traditional sort of player that's been around for a bit, I just don't listen to Tremonti's bands nearly as much as I do A7X
Depending on the measurement, Tim is most certainly a top tier guitarist and I in no way meant to make it seem like he’s “bad” Manuel is seriously insane though and I haven’t tried learning any of his riffs but I could imagine they’re tough. In terms of Synyster Gates, he’s a LEGEND
What you said about TIm. doesnt make sense. Your first statement "he is incredible at making you hear the hook and bring you in and making you listen" then you say the complete opposite.
I see you...
Working that algorithm.
Respect!
The thing with Ichika Nito that I've noticed is how absolutely precise his use of counterpoint is. Not like baroque counterpoint, but the way he creates his melodies and voicings have an amazing sense of propulsion and nuance. Even his older works like "i miss you", there's alot to digest in the A section alone that teaches a lot about how to harmonize a simple melody without using similarly structured chords on every note (and transcribing it is a bit of a pain :P). In that sense, I think he's one of the real modern landmarks in both technique and harmony.
this was a well done video !
gotta agree with your take on Jason, shredding just isnt enough anymore
4:27 They have nearly 2 million monthly listeners on spotify lmao
Fr this guy is 🤡 Tim and Scott at least A tier really should be S
@@tyfighterbtd2126 Idk about a clown, it's just his opinion. But yeah I def don't agree with him Tim and Scott should be S.
I agree with Tim not being in S. The fanboying in the comments here is weird.
You didnt put Tim Henson in B-Tier.. if i were the president, you would go to jail for it
I am a solid follower of this, what is his name oh yeah Mon Floral Garden. Pretty ballzy to include one self in this type of list and rate one self. Did you think about where they would have rated themselves? Did you look at the finished list, did that feel right? Did you consider how your followers will respond? I hope you haven't hurt yourself here. Do you know what it means in psychological terms to speak of yourself in the third person?
I follow your reasoning but a list like this might be titled something subjective like "Guitarists that I like to listen to". That being said if this was intended to get your audience to engage and comment well done. Putting yourself on the same level as Tim Henson is a bold move. It seems like you might have alienated your audience this time. I like to listen to your original music more than anyone on this list. However the talent of, and contributions to modern guitar made by these individuals should not be disrespected. That is my take.
Nice video! would've loved to see the Chon boys on the list although they dont do much anymore
I was heavily considering added them but like you said, they just haven’t been active much lately
@@monfloral Their label screwed them over so now they're on indefinite hiatus.
@@definitelynotanAIchatbot what happened?
@@1pchamp284 They're not making any money because of whatever shitty deal they have with the label.
@@definitelynotanAIchatbot not true, they denounced this themselves on their discord, they have been planning to take a break for a while so are now on indefinite hiatus.
ive been playing guitar for 25 years and i can confidently say Tim is the only S tier guitarist right now.
Jason Richardson ichika Manuel gardener Fernandes steve vai and so many more
@@nose16 none of those guys can touch Tim's originality, songwriting and collaborations. Vai was S Tier back in the day, but it has been a while.
@@Lokidooki I guess you could say Jason isn't as original because he still does Modern instrumental metal with similarities to other music but all the others like ichika and Manuel have their own sound and are just as original and creative as tim there's also tosin who is one of the inspirations for polyphia
@@nose16 jason is a technical wizard who is only great at doing one thing, Tim invented the "insta guitarist" sound that both ichika and manuel based their whole careers on. Tosin is amazing, but AaL is hard to listen to for more than one song, so what if he taught tim how to thump?
@@Lokidooki tim didn't invent the Insta guitarist sound and ichika and Manuel are very different to tim they haven't based their stuff of him ichika is more lofi clean stuff that's really nice nice to listen to and Manuels style is way different to tims the similarity is that they all do math rock
Started to turn this off as soon as I saw where Tim landed. Especially hearing how the dude after Tim “changed the way people play guitar”. Tim is kind of the face of reimagining guitar and got discredit because he’s… doing it too much??? Bruh. Respect ur opinions tho but ya
Thank you for mentioning Mark Tremonti!!! Criminally underrated guitarist. My favourite
Criminally underrated is cotrect. And S tier is perfect position.
@@LeadGRuaidri absolutely!
"If you're not doing the right things for the ears, whose listening to it?" While you just said he's the internet's favorite guitarist....so by that wouldn't that mean the majority like tims playing??? I'm confused lol
yeah, I don't understand that take one bit lol
My concept didn’t directly apply to them and you’re right, that wouldn’t make any sense. It was a general claim I was making in reference to my statement saying that they were heading down a road of putting technicality first.
Regardless, poor structuring on my end though so I apologize for the confusion
@TheDurtyLemur
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Totally agree on Plini and handmade cities. He is always tasteful and not shred for technicality alone. Composition is always an amazing range and doing what is right for the soul of the song. I would move tim up one for the innovative quality of the sound... new levels new devils is up there for me... all of it not just Goat. Love animals. No brainer for the top shelf.
Manuel above tim does right for me. Manuel doesn't get much attention for his art. I would say ichiko has little edge for Composition about Manuel but is somewhat linear branching out from a style. And yes modern shredders are losing the feel and musicality to technicality.
I don't listen to much of Jason Richardson, but I'd put him up in at least an A-tier because he grew up like less than 30 minutes away from me. It's nice seeing a big artist who makes big waves be from the same area as me, and motivates me to become the next big artist to come out of the area. Amazing video, I do disagree with a few placements, but hey, it's personal opinion.
Tim is definitely S tier. He's arguably the most influential one in this list.
I see why the ratio of dislike to like is high
I would put Mateus Asato in S-tier. Also I would switch Tim/Scott with MGF. Hard to make a video like this because it will never please everyone lmao. I think we can all agree though that every single guitarist on this list is phenomenally talented.
Mateus asato deserves to be at the very top. I believe everyone would agree that he can play anything that comes out of a guitar. A rare piece of talent out of billions, simple.
I also suggest the guitarist of I built the sky that he deserves to be here on the list. So talented modern musician. Thank you
I just skipped to the Plini chapter, you played my favorite clip of his, possibly ever, and then mentioned hes your favorite. I definitely need to check out this Mon Floral guy since you obviously have great taste.
Plini is GOATEDDD Just got to see him live in November for the first time and it was fuel for my soul
I took my son to see Plini this summer! Loving mirage EP and can't wait for more
Manuel ahead of Tim Henson is wild ☠️ clown energy 🤡
Agreed
I think manuel's style is good balance between technique and a real music. Tim can play guitar and can write good, catchy hooks for polyphia (and music overall) but also he can sound too robotic and too technical to enjoy what I just hate about him.
@@tomczak44 Hard disagree, for me it's legit the exact opposite. Manuel usually does way too much and lacks melody, while tim usually lays it back more and only flexes every one in a while. Like, wtf is the melody in this piece?? After the tapping harmonics. th-cam.com/video/XGmoZn0nbrY/w-d-xo.html
@@jamesstent I think its more friendly to the casual bread eater. Have you listened to ego death where after intro he just throw this nonsense riff to fill the song, like this fragment there is not much musical meaning just flexing.
@@tomczak44 100% agreed that riff in ego death is really really bad.
This is kinda random, but Mark Tremonti looks similar to my uncle! My uncle is a little older than Mark Tremonti.
@CatherineLee3000 If your uncle also plays guitar, I'd start asking questions 👀
Tim B tier for that reason when he has more listeners than most guitarists above him is so weird. I do like Plini stuff more but TIm has been the greatest guitarist of our time since Alan Holdsworth.
so just because you can't digest the sound of what Tim does means that it is "too much" like come on lets be serious. so im assuming on songs like playing god you hear the bridge riff and your just like "this is too much and he's just showing off". its not that you put him in the B-tier , but solely alone for that reason is just really silly to me. you can use that point towards literally anyones music you think is "too technical". I could've made a tier list like that and put Tim at S-tier and Abasi at B-tier, and I put abasi B just because it's "too technical". At the same time I feel like you're trolling because respectfully ive never heard of mark travonti. im pretty sure Yvette's duck that is on covet's insta page has more respect in the guitar world than him.
They used to have actual melodies and emotion in their music, and the lack of that is the real problem.
@chaytoninsthere I absolutely LOVE Polyphia. Obviously this ranking isn't meant to be taken too seriously, but Polyphia is capable of creating some seriously INCREDIBLE tunes. I truly believe the band will continue to flourish, so I play the skeptic card in order to be met with the high standards I hold them to. Playing God is an all time favorite from them because I could really FEEL the music. Their guitar playing has improved immensely but it comes through as almost robotic. That doesn't mean the music is bad because it is far from that, but it's missing that extra umph that they used to consistently deliver.
@L L I wouldn't even say they don't have actual melodies because even now some of them are pretty killer, but this concept is exactly what I'm describing
@@monfloral nobody dares to make this kind of tier list on this guitarist, because they are way over everyone’s range. Can’t you really feel the feedback?
@@Andrei.c.prod. yea, what he did is super subjective..in my opinion every each one of them is S tier, every each one of them have a characteristic.
So i'm not agree with the list
My personal ranking:
S-Tier: Ichika Nito, Mateus Asato
A-Tier: Tosin Abasi, Plini, Yvette Young
B-Tier: Mark Tremonti, Scott LePage
C-Tier: Jason Richardson, Manuel Gardner Fernandes, Tim Henson
Let me know what you think, and I can show you why I ranked the guitarists this way.
lol putting tim in C tier automatically invalidates the list
@@amishah939 Okay if I were to change Tim's place. I would put him maybe at most a B or an A. He does not have the same songwriting chops like Mateus or Ichika to be an S tier.
Where is rick beato though?
My preferences are similar, but I'd put both Tim and Manuel at S and personally for me, Ichika is an A. I agree with the rest.
Scott writes almost every verse and melodic bridge for Polyphia. Btw checking your music out now. Super versatile Mon. ❤
Where is david maxim micic and jakub zytecki are they vintages?
@classicvibes7529 They're in the second one HAHA
@@monfloralI think you've heard their names for the first time only because I did wrote on it.
For me Mateus Asato is easily an S-Tier on my list. Ichika is one of my faves but I'd put him on A-Tier along with Tim/Scott bringing Manuel down B-Tier. It was fun watching and listening to your analysis and seeing other's point of view here in the comments :D
Every guitarrist is good in his own game and way, Tim Henson couldn't make the same vibe as Ichika and viceversa. Just everyone are good in their own way.
Plini at S-tier, fuck yeah! He's like the Guthrie Govan of our generation.
LITERALLY!
Idk, like I love Plini, and he’s an incredible guitarist. But do you think he has the improv chops to the guthrie of our generation? Like I can’t say that he’s head and shoulders above Nick Johnston or Andre Nieri in his improv. Composition-wise Plini is goated, but I feel like improv is where Guthrie Govan stands apart fron most other guitarists. That’s I would hesitate to say he’s our Guthrie Govan
@@MaddMag Agree! When it comes to composition, Plini stomps. But IMO most guitarist (including legends) can't even get close to Guthrie's improv. He's way above there
It seems like a lot of Tim Henson fans didn't grasp what you meant by saying that he's sometimes technical for the sake of being technical. This is absolutely true, and there is no finer display of this than the song Ego Death.
The song has such a dramatic emotional shift when Vai makes his entrance that it actually starts to sound like a song instead of someone making an intricate composition on FruityLoops.
I think Polyphia has started isolating fans because their music as lost a bit of soul power. Listen to Polyphia's "Finale" compared to a lot of stuff they put out these days.
I'm not saying their most recent jams are all bad, just sound way more mechanical and too pristine to actually emulate human emotion or experience.
It's the same criticism Eminem gets as a rapper. Because he has the technical ability to deliver lyrics at a high speed doesn't necessarily makes the song better by default.
You're missing Stephen Taranto, Jakub Zytecki and some others.
Tim Henson in a B category is heart wrecking.
But as always, every guitarist has their own opinion on other guitarist so I can respect your opinion on that circumstance
Opinions can be wrong, i think he placed tim there so people would comment, and his video would get more traction from engagement. It worked. Look at the comments on this video compared to all his others. Kinda sad, imo but people do what people do for the algorithm, I guess 🤷
steve vai actually put Tim number 1 on his "futur of the guitare guitarist" list
edit : typo
Jason Richardson in C is wild
The only issue with these lists is (and maybe it’s not even an issue, just an observation) is most everybody’s opinion and “list” will be different because of what catches your ear. Not bashing your list by any means…but I feel it’s so subjective. I definitely would’ve ranked Richardson higher, but I grew up listening to shred, fell out of it, and am back on loving it again lol.
This exactly! And depending on how you're ranking, these lists can differ drastically. I understood this and wanted to make sure it was known that everyone is amazing and this is just my opinion. Jason is a beast though despite where I placed him
Well this is the second comment I'm making on your channel and I guess they're both gonna mention pronunciation of a guitarist's name lmao. Sithu Aye is pronounced like C2A, just FYI. Cool that you mentioned him at all, he seems to get overlooked IMO.
I'm not mad about the rankings tbh. It's nice to see Tremnoti get some praise bc it seems like the current generation isn't very aware of him. Alter Bridge was my fav band for several years as a teenager during the Blackbird/ AB III era before I branched out to more diverse music. I came back around on them tho, their new album was one of my fav releases last year. Also not saying he invented the concept at all but he was part of a big epiphany for me in regards to solo arrangement when I noticed how he often starts by reprising a melody from earlier in the song.
I could easily go overboard typing a paragraph for everyone on the list, and even a few who I feel should be but get overlooked, but I'll stop myself lol
My only criticism of the list tho would be Tremonti also make too much similar music to me, which is your reason for rating your lowest tier.
Overlooking Tosin Abasi is a cardinal sin tho
On one hand it's great to see such creativity and quality....on the other it's sad AF to see such a completely lack of Rock N' Roll spirit in most of these, and such a sanitized approach.
I like Mark Tremonti as much as the next guy but he aint S Tier over Jason nor Tim
Ichika is my fav electric guitarist tbh
Yvette young is A tier at least for me, I like Midwest emo.
Jason Richardson is S tier for me, even though I don’t listen to him much.
He is just disrespecting everyone. He made this on purpose anyway, nobody would ever put guitarist like Manu, Tim or Yvette on a tier list behind boomer style guitarists
@Andrei.C.prod. If me stating an opinion is disrespectful then RIP to my channel 😭
after Ego death Tim is an A now. Right? Vitalism, Chon Antoine Dufour, Andy McKee, Rodrigo y Gabriela they have be somewhere on the list right?
I'd like to know your thoughts on Mark Speer of Khruangbin.
I think Mateus Asato should be at the very top. His playing has everything a guitar should have. EVERYTHING!
Great stuff ❤
Yvette young in C and Tim Henson in B is... A choice
You actually make a lot of good points about Tim. Ignore the fanboys, good list
Tim Henson’s playing does do the right thing for my ears. Idk what he’s listening to
Didn't know we had the same ears my bad bro
I don't listen to plini a lot but I'm gonna give handmade cities a full listen since you speak highly of it!
I agree with everything else in the s tier. Though, ichika is mostly popular for riffs he uploads to TH-cam (which sound amazing), but I don't feel like the things he's released have spread and impacted the music/guitar scene the way other guitarists like Tim Henson have and I feel like his stuff sounds kind of similar. I feel like polyphia is a bit much sometimes too and while I don't know if I would say that polyphia is an s tier band, Tim Henson has had a huge impact among guitar players and a lot of people want to sound like him and that speaks a lot. I'd probably put Tim Henson s tier and maybe ichika a tier.
Also I respect what you have to say about Yvette young, but she's my favorite guitarist. She may not do all the techniques like Tim Henson or shred like Jason Richardson, but watching the way her fingers just dance so gracefully on the neck is so captivating and the most inspiring thing I've ever experienced. I have a new appreciation for everything I listen to and everything hits differently ever since I started listening to covet and Yvette Young. Also I don't think everything sounds the same necessarily. Their latest album is less note-heavy than their first two eps. Covet also has some songs that definitely are a little more proggy (why I got into them at first) but they're primarily a math Rock band and that genre is just not super edgy. A lot of math Rock in general is just mellow music with a lot of notes and not much beyond that relative to prog and metal. Whether you dig that or not just depends on the listener I guess (covet resonates pretty deeply with me personally so I have some bias lol).
Where y'all ranking *Synyster Gates* ❔
hard disagree on most of it but fun to watch in a similar way as watching people make poor decisions and die in a horror movie
lmao
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I can’t be mad at it
@@monfloral i still liked the video, it was good outrage content
Gotta swap Tim & Manuel around, but thats my preference as really the broke on the scene at similar times, doing similar things really in just 2 different styles. And also put Plini and even Tremonti lower, almost in a tier between S and A because they are amazing but for me Tosin and Ichika are the Hendrix and Jimmy Page of this generation, what they have done for the the guitar world in general is something none of the rest have achieved, they have single handedly moved the boundaries of whats possible on the instrument.
Scott Henderson? Frank Gambale? Greg Howe?
tim henson B??????
Tremonti is very creative.. Creed, alter bridge, Tremonti and Sinatra project... really amazing
I think Jason is b tier or maybe a tier, his music is amazing, awesome heavy riffs and sick movie sound track atmosphere does a lot for me
Mateo Mancuso....Max Ostro...Jakub Zytecki...Mark Lettieri.....Mike Dawes...Sungha Jung......etc...there are so many savage guitar players
Yes, too many for one video. You also dropped a few new names for me so thank you
@@monfloral check out Charlie Robbins also....he's a beast
Plini for me is without a doubt the best at putting together a beautiful work of Art. Just like you said, so we'll balanced
You can criticize the man, but the fact he rates himself near bottom when it's obvious you're a boss. Love the content
HAHA I'm on there just for jokes but thanks man!
@@monfloral shit lol. You're a ripper let's be clear. Honestly can say haven't encountered anyone with your talent level that's anywhere as modest. Even if it was pretending, they usually can't even joke with themselves like that. Either you belong somewhere on that list.
mon floral is s tier, you're sleeping on the boy😴
THIS!!!! Thanks ya! 🙏🏾
I know it's a subjective tier list for fun and no harm done here, but putting yourself above Jason Richardson... Oof. I guess it's a troll, but don't be surprised if people start throwing rotten tomatoes in the comments
I shouldn't be on the list at all HAHA but the tomatoes are definitely flying
@@monfloral you get what you plant. It’s ridiculous to realise that you actually consider this funny.
If we’re ranking them as composers, My S tier would have to be Plini, Henson, Scott, and Ichika.
Pure musicians, my S-tier would be plini, Asato and Yvette. I think Tim and Scott are incredible guitarists and composers, but I think they go in the A tier only because they don’t seem to be the same level with their improv. Ichika isn’t my favorite, but I think he deserves an S tier as well.
Pure technical skill for guitarists, my S would have to say Richardson, Plini, Tim and Scott, MGF, and Ichika. Jack Gardiner and maybe Owane also come to mind.
I think the only guitar who is S tier in all of those categories for me is Plini. I think the only area he might be weak in (compared to other guitarists in the same tier) would be pure technical skill. I think even he would might say that he couldn’t keep up with Richardson’s technicality. Like if you listen to interview with Beato, I think even he says he’s not a super technical guitarist.
I mean if you ever listen plini live - you wouldn’t put him in S tier for techniques
@Maglyos Considering the metrics that you used to measure them, I agree almost entirely with that. Polyphia and Plini take the cake for me as composers 1000%
@Jim Yang I think Plini is pretty good live. I feel like his tone sounds just as good and his playing is pretty polished
@@jimyang8824 yeah, that’s fair. I’ve never heard him live or watched many live recordings of him, so I can’t really speak on that. Like his playing is no piece of cake, but it doesn’t take the technical mastery that you need to play Nito or Polyphia stuff.
Heres my take, ive listened to all of these musicians for at least 5 years now, and i am very familiar with their abilities and styles.
Ichika nito - S tier. Taking into account his bands,( ichikoro, the jpop one,) his sound is incredibly varied and he can play like 5 instruments proficiently. Favorite Songs: Ninja, Samurai, Arpeggios
Jason Richardson - A tier, this guy was the first step in my journey to being a prog jazz nerd. He is INCREDIBLY fast and accurate, with some interesting rythym patterns here and there. I agree that his style is pretty bland which is why I put him in A tier, but as far as shreddy music goes, he does it better than most compositionally. Favorite songs: Titan, Omni, Mirrors
Tim Henson - B tier. this is the guy that got me start playing guitar, who i discovered through Jason Richardsons collab with polyphia, aviator. He can write hooks really nicely and has great ability but suffers from a couple things. In polyphias music I feel they overprocess their best riffs. When tim released the rich kids riff before nlnd came out that was the coolest thing i had ever heard musically up to that point, and i couldnt wait for the song to come out. But when it finally did the processing kinda ruined the vibe. Some of his best work doesnt make into polyphias repetoire. God Hand is really good, but its just a thump excercise for him. He also plays REALLY sloppy live which can probably be attributed to a couple things:
A. tim has admitted he writes music just beyond his capabilities in order to improve himself. Thats how became so good, but it makes the music hard to pull off live.
B. im like 90% sure the dude gets stoned before he performs lol
His style is for the most part fairly repetitive, with a few hidden gems here and there, overall A tier. Favorite songs: God Hand, Bloodbath, Aviator
Mark Tramanti - idk tier
Ive never actually heard of this guy, finna go check him out now
Yvette Young - easy S tier. She has to be one of the most underrated musicians of all time. She had the hook writing ability of tim henson but with none of the overtechnicality. She plays mostly fingerstyle (incredibly based). I completely disagree that her music all sounds the same. Go listen to her solo piano album (especially jolt) and her accoustic album, they are completely different from covet. Yvette plays piano REALLY well on top of her insane guitar skills (again, go watch her play jolt) She can play VIOLIN really well, and she can SING really well (while she plays difficult guitar riffs). She often plays her guitar in all kinds of different tunings to make certain not often heard chords in guitar centric music more prominent, which is super refreshing. My favorite songs from her: Jolt, Sea Dragon, Howl.
Mateus Asato - A tier. His playing is the most clean ive ever heard, and incredibly satisfying to watch. I just wish he would write more music.
Plini - A tier, he stuffs so many styles into his music, and it doesnt sound forced. Writes with unvonventional rythyms and chord often. Favorite songs from him: Opening, Salt + Charcoal, Flaneur.
Tosin Abasi: S tier. My favorite guitarist of all time, this guy is an absolute monster. The dude can play like jason richardson, but he has backgrounds in Jazz and Classical music and technique and it really shows in his music. The Joy of Motion is THE BEST album EVER released by ANYONE in my opinion. Animals as Leaders really shines when they stray away from the heavy metal and go full prog jazz mode. For that reason, Parrhesia was actually my LEAST favorite album from them.
Tosin abasi can shred like a maniac, Adapted victor wootens slap techniques to guitar, creating thumping, and on top of a that he can fingerstyle with the best of them and create harmonically rich chord structures and rythym patterns. My favorite songs: Air Chrysalis, The Future That Awaited Me, The Brain Dance.
The last guy on ur list was another idk tier, never heard of him.
Some guitarists i think shouldve been on this list but werent:
Jakub Zytecki
Mario Camerena
Erick Hansel
Javier Reyes
Joshua de la Victoria
I'd swap ichika's and mateus asato's places. Ichika used to be really good with his rpg/fantasy style songwriting but now ichika's faced towards more mainstream style music, therefore making his music less unique. Mateus has always been a phenomenal guitarist who plays with passion and plays every note in a way that makes it feel somehow meanignful. This puts him easily to an S tier
Where's the Chon bros (Mario and Erick)?? 😭😭
Mario and Erick are incredible guitarists but they haven't been seen or released anything new since 2019 and the game has changed substantially since then
Wtf?, I didn't notice that you were the Mon Floral until I saw your name
Here's the changes I'd make:
- Move Ichika from S tier to A tier. While he is one of the most impressive players I've seen, I personally feel like he suffers from this "stuck in a box" feeling with all of his music and riffs. I honestly don't enjoy listening to his videos that much anymore. I'd say once every 10 videos I see something I like, but that's about it. Don't get me wrong, he's incredibly talented, I think he writes astoundingly beautiful melodies, but his sound just doesn't strike me as memorable every single time. It's only riffs like "I miss you" and "Exotic" and "Heaven Metal" that really stick with me.
- Move Scott LePage from B tier to A tier. I really feel like people don't give him credit where credit is due, and that's mostly because, as said in the video: he doesn't have that much solo content to go off of. Unlike Tim, who's style is very non-linear (not quite dynamic, just non-linear), Scott maintains the more traditional, flowy sound which creates incredibly pleasing motifs and riffs. I wouldn't say he's a better player, but that is style isn't as unnecessarily technical at times.
- Move Mateus Asato from A tier to S tier. I'm just going to say this flat out: Mateus is probably one of the most talented guitarists I've ever seen; he plays every riff so smoothly that you can just tell he's capable of so much more. He doesn't need to play many notes to create something memorable, just like Plini, who I agree deserves his S tier spot. Mateus is underrated mostly because there isn't a lot to go off of in terms of technicality, but what might sway your opinion is his video where he shows his guest feature on Polyphia's song "Drown". You can really see how smoothly he plays those runs and movements. He's an amazing guitarist.
- Finally, move both Jason and Yvette up from C tier to B tier. I agree with your reasonings, but C just feels a little too harsh. Jason has been branching out a lot recently with "p00mbachu", "Ishimura", and "Upside Down" at least, I think. I mean, his playing may sound too similar, but his riffs are incredibly memorable, in my opinion. As for Yvette, her ability to play so dynamically and create such vibes, even if they suffer from the same similar-ness as Jason, are still very memorable. Also, she can sing, play piano, and play violin. So like... I dunno, I feel like placing her in C is selling her a little short. I don't think any guitarist on here is any less than B tier, truthfully.
If Sithu Aye and Misha Mansoor were on this list, I'd put both of them in A tier. Both of them share stylistically different, but equally stunning riff writing abilities. Misha's ability to create absolutely amazing djent riffs, and Sithu's ability to create some of the most ear-pleasing jazzy motifs (that always include the lick) are nothing short of crazy.
Of course, feel free to disagree with me, this is all subjective, yk? Great video all in all, and I agree with a lot of what you said.
I think that you are a solid “not in the position to make this kind affirmations”
I’m just having fun and giving my opinion homie. No one said I was writing the Bible of modern guitarists
@@monfloral would it be fun to make a video about how unfair is that most guitarists presented there, don’t have the audience and engagement they deserve, so therefore they don’t get payed as much as they really worth?
I respect hard work and pure innovation, that’s why I would never dare to place any of them anywhere under GOD LIKE TIER. Something generally true is that Yvette is one of the first guitarists taking guitar to new levels, nobody will ever have the same power, precision and passion as Manuel Gardner Fernandes, and business wise, Tim Henson did what no other guitarist did before and still I consider him underrated and underpaid. Time will pay its debts to this artist💎
Not that deep bro chill
Bruh, Manuel is so unique, top tier, Tim is the best one here, so unique sound, so Tim... A future guitar legend (i'm telling you)
Manuel is unique? Lmaooo
I don't know if he count as a modern guitarist but I wanna see some opinion on marc okubo. I just recently got into vom and their stuff is amazing
I liked Ichika’s new SOAD cover, super hard sounding for a nylon
Where’s Mario and Erick from CHON? 😁
@Richard Garcia Why did they stop making music?? If they were still active, I DEFINITELY would've added them
i don´t agree but everyone has different taste
Nice video man(ichika king)
Overall good list. I agree that Tim and Scott are B tier, but for a different reason. I agree they are boxed in, but being boxed in is not a bad thing, lots of great guitarists stayed the same and never 'improved' (ie Eddie Van Halen). I think they need to work more on songs, they dont need to change the way they play, just expand to have more songs.
I didn’t close the video until Yvette Young was placed in C tier. Foh
bro, you forget that Jason Richardson actually has a beep bop solo in his last album and btw even without this he is an easy S