Religious Pluralism: Seeing Religions Again with Marcus Borg
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- Best-selling author Marcus Borg, Professor in Religion and Culture, uses a interdisciplinary approach to examine the role and importance of religions and religious pluralism in contemporary life in this presentation at UCSD. [3/2002] [Humanities] [Show ID: 5968]
I got the pleasure of going to 4 of his lectures this past weekend. He is awesome!
I disagree fundamentally with a lot of what he says but goodness, Marcus Borg is such a pleasant speaker.
Interesting video which I enjoyed even without being a Christian. It seems that Marcus Borg is presenting a view of pluralism that all religions express a universal truth in different manners. I would point out there are other forms of pluralism that do not rely on any universal truths.
You enjoyed it because he IS NOT a Christian. He is decisively anti-christ
Marcus Borg is a great scholar and he is one of my references on religious pluralism. When we understand the real meaning of religious pluralism all foreign religions in indigenous lands would cease to exist in those lands. Religious pluralism paves a very bright future for native religions to write their own sacred texts and believe in their own Gods irrespective of foreign indoctrination to believe in foreign Gods and use foreign sacred texts. A bright future for mostly Africans who worship foreign Gods and use foreign texts and of course also for other cultures who do the same. In my view the moment we return to worshiping our native Gods as opposed to worshiping foreign Gods true spirituality will reign in the world. At that time "GOD" will no longer be on our side alone and we will not be striving to belong to the best religion because there is no "best religion". What is best for an individual depends on the individual and not on the religion and all cultures have the essential teachings for our spiritual development!
Ted
Thank you.
I like Prof. Borg and he has many insights here. I just wish he had addressed the rather obvious issue of proselytism. Many religions do it and you don't have to be a "fundamentalist" to recognize that it is an underlying theme throughout the Christian New Testament.
rubilmk -- what exactly are you aiming at with your comment? Are you suggesting that religious pluralism confuses sociological categories with religious ones? If so, I think that is blatantly false. It is the conviction that there is something deep and real that cuts accross cultural boundaries that leads to religious pluralism in the first place.
Borg's idea that Chrisian salvation is not about the substitutionary death of Jesus is something I'd like to look at in more detail. Can anyone recommend the book or books by him that most completely demonstrate this point? Thank you.
I can recommend the Bible. Why would you want to consider Christian salvation without Christ 🤣🤣 where would you base your doctrine? What would be your hope? What made you eligible to be even considered worthy of eternity by a perfect God if not legal payment of blood paid by One eligible to redeem us??
You are a fool ❤️
For me religion is something which is driving the cultural values and not the product of a culture.For me as a Christian God is beyond the collective cultural consciousness and it is this relation with the divine that is the source of religion. Religion according to human sciences is different from Christian understanding of religion.
A kind of 'Chomsky' of Religion. His interpretation of Jesus's message .... "I am the Way the Truth and the Life" .... AS a Universal Way established in various World - Religions in one form or the other, is - subjectively from my point of view - SOUND. I like this man - Priests and Preachers could learn from him a lot. Problem with the divided masses of Religional majorities is that mostly they cannot understand what I call 'spiritual abstractism' behind the "wax-cabinet" of doctrines, but only have 'vague presentiment' of it to a lesser degree.
There are philosophical Christians who attempt to take their philosophy only from the humanistic teachings while leaving the rest behind as myths and it is those that I respect the most. I do not have issue with philosophy.
Although, those people only identify as Christian due to heritage as similar philosophy can be attained elsewhere.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I have ttwo more reasons that it's not just Christianity that has God...1. I had experiences of God prior to any involvement in a tradition of any kind, 2. the Zen Buddhists I know seem more spiritually evolved than the Christians I know.
We have to honor this due to our cultural situation; Otherwise, we will have people fighting over which religion is BEST or TRUE. Even my more liberal Buddhist friends get involved in these more ethnic arguements.
Bigtombowski-that remains the problem with critics of Borg, Crossan and the like. Rarely is a cogent argument put forth to counter their ideas.
Compassion is the essence of the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ, not a drop of moral relativism 🙏🏼 to be found 🙏🏼
First history is full of people dying for very "thin" reasons - it need not necessary for the cause to be very important. (note people dying in rowdy crowds at soccer games. Secondly - do we really know what those martyers died for? I know the texts that we have - but they were written to support one point of view - not necessarily history
@ChuckMacDerwood "Cultural" Christianity may not be about spirituality. But, Christianity offers at least some form of spirituality I think. As does Buddhism and Islam. The mystical levels in those traditions, the level of actually experiencing God or Emptiness or Love and Compassion, definitely offer a spirituality...the more basic cultural levels may not. Hard to tell...
are you watching this for your religion class?
yes !
Nope just curious
What i aim is to save Christianity from the sociological categorisation of a phenomenon found in society. I don't consider that all religiouns are equal or the same. From a sociological point of view considering it may be advantageous for the harmony in the society. But here the problem lies in reducing Christianity into a sociological category known as religion which is a subset of culture.
I am thinking from a postmodernist viewpoint; this scares a lot of Christians, but it really should not. I do believe there is universal truth that has been revealed through Jesus Christ; however, I believe that no man can interpret the Bible and get it right. Hence the need for grace.
I would argue that it is impossible for the bible to be understood separate from the culture in which it is being written.
CanucksLuo
biblegateway.com
Read Proverbs 1 and Psalm 1
Christianity cannot be defined within the understanding of religion as "religion as coming from linguistic and cultural tradition."
Religion, from a Christian understanding is just something that binds us to God. We need something beyond religion to call ourselves Christians.
Many of the views on religious pluralism are coming out of a sociological understanding of the phenomenon of religions.
I strugglle mightily with this but Paul existed in a pluralistic religious environment, but seemed to be fiercely opposed to tolerating them. I appreciate u touching on some of the johanine passages but to ignore Paul is odd, and convenient. If you hope to reach the part of the Church that is exploding in numbers, you will need to take scripture seriously. That doesnt mean being a literalist, it means addressing the biblical texts that seem to support exclusivism. You need to speak biblease.
Yuuuuuup.
Buddhism has Salvation. Muslims have their own Salvation. Christianity has it's own Salvation. The problem is that conditions of Salvation. Some religions have easier than the other. Some other religions have extremely difficult, almost impossible.
Oh my you're a fool 😂😊
But the way shown by jesus is exclusive thereby exclusivity
He is already well-grounded in Christian tradition first of all...after that, a pluralistic perspective is workable. Without that, being grounded in some tradition, pluralism just makes everything sort of random.
It is extremely difficult for me to imagine Marcus Borg as a best selling author after listening to him speak on religions and religious pluralism. When he spoke on his idea of Christianity he is/was spot on. What was taught or preached to him was/is the problem with Christians and traditional Christianity. If self called Christians read their Bibles instead of listening to their pastor's sermon's believing that a degree from a prestigious divinity school gave a preacher a right to preach they would know if what they were hearing was the truth or an interpretation representative of the traditions of man.
Marcus in my opinion on this particular subject was boring, predictable, and insincere. I enjoyed John Huston's, The Religions of Man, when it was required reading for my major in college but I feel let down by Doctor Borg. He is not a Bible scholar. To be fair I will look into something else.
+Robbin Bryson borg other bible scholars refer to and engage with borg as an equal so to state that he is not a bible scholar is to seriously underestimate him.
to be fair maybe your critique is not fair
Reality, whatever it is, does not conform itself to what we think or believe. It is, what it is, whether we like it or not.
This applies just as much to religious ideologies as it does to anything else. Truth (God) is, what it is, regardless of what we individually choose to think it is. We can all have our own opinion as to what we think it is, but that does not make the truth (God) to be what we believe it to be.
Multiple mutually exclusive explanations of what we think truth is could in fact all be wrong, but they cannot all be true in the same way as the same time. The only ligament explanation of truth is the one that matches reality.
This ideology that all roads lead to the truth despite the fact that all of the roads go in different directions is logically incoherent.
Then again all roads might lead to the same destination eventually, even if they originally diverge...
But perhaps this metaphor of roads that must take you to a definite destination is misleading.
Perhaps it's a misconception of religious "ways" to think of them as directions that must lead you to a final destination where salvation waits, if only you stubbornly follow the given direction.
Perhaps its better to think of it differently...
What if it's not about a final or ultimate destination where all people have to arrive..? There might be something on the way that is worth finding and taking with you, no matter where you go... And if you are walking your way with sincerity, honesty and clarity of mind you have a good chance of finding that no matter what direction you choose to take originally.
Another lost soul tangled up in his little brain.
Marcus Borg is a moral relativist. He's not a Christian.
+Brett McGurk Nice.
Marcus Borg was not a fundamentalist, conservative, or evangelical Christian...he was a liberal and progressive Christian. The word "Christian" is a large tent that welcomes all who seek to follow the Christ.
Be more like Marcus...
Rubbish. Hasty generalization and argument from ignorance. He's not a Christian that's fundamentalistic or overly-conservative. In the eyes of the highly-exclusivism-promoting Christians who are fundamentalistic or overly-conservative, of course he wouldn't be Christian. But that does not automatically equate to his not being a Christian.
A Christian wouldn't tell someone to be a Hindu or Buddhist "if that works for you." I've heard him debate at OSU several times. I'm right. If I say I'm a 49ers fan but I root for the Cowboys, then I'm not a 49ers fan. Borg can call himself whatever he wants. Many churches are labeled "Christian" and are not.
As the Dude said best: "That's just, like, your opinion, man". It's purely subjective bias on your part.
The only place god exists is in the human imagination -