@@standup109 He has subdued emotions rather than no emotions at all. These Cybermen allowed a bit more emotions through to better understand and intimidate their foes.
I love this bit, as it was actually quite profound at the time - Hartnell did argue in favor of emotions, but I don't think that The Doctor and the Cybermen actually debated if they made you stronger or weaker before this; it was also not particularly common in other sci-fi either. I would say, however, that the scene is incomplete until you play the next ~30 seconds, where the Cyber Leader shows The Doctor that his emotions make him powerless when his companion's life is in threat. I absolutely love the dialogue exchange between them at that point (ending the scene in full) -- "Such a reaction is NOT a disadvantage?" "....No.." "You are mistaken - all I need do is threaten the woman's death for you to obey me."
Great scene. Kit Pedlar said the idea of Cyber men came from the fact he could easily imagine a machine reacting logically to things but he could not imagine a machine composing a poem like Dylan Thomas. This speech taps this idea, that humans find joy and value in life from small things, the taste of food, the beauty of nature, the scent of flowers etc. The true horror of Cybermen is they used to be human but now they exist just for the sake of existing, they don't live life in any sense at all. So, this speech is actually superb. The Doctor is pointing out the soulless nature of these beings, despite their advanced technology.
He originally came up with the idea of the Cybermen after reading a newspaper article about the advancement of robotic prosthetics for those who have lost limbs. He and his wife then wondered what would happen if a human received so many of these robotic prosthetics that they can no longer be distinguished as human.
That decorative vegetable sends my heart a flutter. This was one of the most fabulous versions of the doctor. But not THE fabulous one- we all know who that is...
The Doctor sure took a risk when he spoke his mind to the Cyber Leader when he asked him when he last smelled a flower, seen a sunset and eating a meal without thinking that the Cyber Leader would've struck him down for saying that and showing that he's not sorry that he isn't human anymore.
The Doctor: “When you did last have the pleasure of eating a well prepared meal?” Cyberleader: “Mate...I’m a fucking Cyberman. We don’t exactly stop and do brunch”
"For some people, small beautiful is what life is all about"! Ik Davison hated that line cause it was so schmaltzy, but I can't help but love it. It's so Doctor. That's why it's my favorite quote of the 5th Doctor
"Well now that you mention it Doctor I haven't smelt a flower since that pansy I picked up on Proxima 5 nor eaten well since my wife left me for a dalek. It was his plunger that she fell for. I volunteered for cyber-conversion after that."
my point. Eccelston brought something completely new. Previous doctors from the classic series all brought something fresh. tennant was 4th and 5th with a lot of nitric oxide thrown in. Smith was 2nd and 5th combined. Capaldi was 3rd and 6th but with a unique delivery. I always preferred when an entirely new personality was brought forward not based on past performances. Although such as he was, Matt Smith had the most going on in my book with the new series, but unfortunately, he was tied down to companion drama and weak jr fan fiction writing (like capaldi) and wasn't really allowed to flex his muscles without them sprinkling all that sugar and flaky wave your arms around stuff they did with him. What a pity. But still, Big Finish has been doing doctor who rgith for some time though so....... This is all of course just my opinion. And opinions aren't fact of course.
This Resurrection of the Daleks And Caves of Androizani All the best of the best episodes of the Davison era These Logopolis Planet of fire And state of decay Plus curse of fenric and ok silver nemesis Were the best episodes of the 1980s
I can't say for the individual release of Earthshock, but it's included both in its respective The Doctors Revisited DVD and the Cybermen compilation DVD release in Region 1, and it's fully functional there. If you're willing to go without the bonus features (which I'd understand if you weren't, since classic DW DVDs have great features), those are two compelling alternatives.
That's the 5th doctor's major character flaw(in a good way) He doesn't have the presence of the 3rd or 4th doctors, so it far harder for himself to intimidate enemies, or prusade potential allies. Infact, I think it's the implied reason for how the 6 doctor became so explosive and energetic compared to 5.
It's dialogue and acting like this that makes me appreciate the classic show for it's ideas and groundwork, but find it naiive and simplistic. I just can't get into this form of storytelling as serious.
Émotion ? Love, pride, hate, fear! Have you no emotions sir ?
Lol.
"COME TO MONDAS AND YOUUUU WILL HAVE NO NEEEEED OF EEEE-MOTIONS, YOU WIIIIILL BECOME LIKE US."
Cyberman: These things (emotions) are irrelevant!
Also Cyberman: * says in an angry tone of voice *
Cyber Leader about emotions: These things are irrelevant!
Also the Cyber Leader every time something goes his way: EXCELLENT!!!
Yeahhh kind of didn’t like how emotional the cyber leader was
@@standup109 He has subdued emotions rather than no emotions at all. These Cybermen allowed a bit more emotions through to better understand and intimidate their foes.
Lol.
I love this bit, as it was actually quite profound at the time - Hartnell did argue in favor of emotions, but I don't think that The Doctor and the Cybermen actually debated if they made you stronger or weaker before this; it was also not particularly common in other sci-fi either. I would say, however, that the scene is incomplete until you play the next ~30 seconds, where the Cyber Leader shows The Doctor that his emotions make him powerless when his companion's life is in threat. I absolutely love the dialogue exchange between them at that point (ending the scene in full) --
"Such a reaction is NOT a disadvantage?"
"....No.."
"You are mistaken - all I need do is threaten the woman's death for you to obey me."
Great scene. Kit Pedlar said the idea of Cyber men came from the fact he could easily imagine a machine reacting logically to things but he could not imagine a machine composing a poem like Dylan Thomas. This speech taps this idea, that humans find joy and value in life from small things, the taste of food, the beauty of nature, the scent of flowers etc. The true horror of Cybermen is they used to be human but now they exist just for the sake of existing, they don't live life in any sense at all. So, this speech is actually superb. The Doctor is pointing out the soulless nature of these beings, despite their advanced technology.
*Pedler
He originally came up with the idea of the Cybermen after reading a newspaper article about the advancement of robotic prosthetics for those who have lost limbs. He and his wife then wondered what would happen if a human received so many of these robotic prosthetics that they can no longer be distinguished as human.
That decorative vegetable sends my heart a flutter. This was one of the most fabulous versions of the doctor. But not THE fabulous one- we all know who that is...
You're right...
Rowan Atkinson!
Paul McGann
The Doctor sure took a risk when he spoke his mind to the Cyber Leader when he asked him when he last smelled a flower, seen a sunset and eating a meal without thinking that the Cyber Leader would've struck him down for saying that and showing that he's not sorry that he isn't human anymore.
The Doctor: “When you did last have the pleasure of eating a well prepared meal?”
Cyberleader: “Mate...I’m a fucking Cyberman. We don’t exactly stop and do brunch”
Excellent episode.
And sad
.......Excellent
That's why Fifth Doctor was within inches from falling into a manic depression by the end of his tenure, as did self-remark so well the Sixth Doctor.
The 5th and 11th Doctor remind me of each other.
I mean, they are the 2 youngest Doctors, but I do see what you mean lol
I could see that lol both look boyish and youthful both have rounder eyes
"For some people, small beautiful is what life is all about"!
Ik Davison hated that line cause it was so schmaltzy, but I can't help but love it. It's so Doctor. That's why it's my favorite quote of the 5th Doctor
favorite lines "These Things are I R R E L E V A N T"
*irrelevant
"Well now that you mention it Doctor I haven't smelt a flower since that pansy I picked up on Proxima 5 nor eaten well since my wife left me for a dalek. It was his plunger that she fell for. I volunteered for cyber-conversion after that."
Don’t care what the “Fans” say. The 80s Cybermen are one of the best!!!
Gerry Davis hated the 80s Cybermen stories and felt his and Kit Pedlars creations were abused
incredible episode. back when the actors who played the doctor created their own personalities and didn't base them on the past.
busywl69 Are there really any other personality types left?
endless. christopher eccleston did it with his brief turn as the doc.
busywl69 Please _name_ another personality type. After Eccelston, every facet of the Doctor's character seems to have its representative.
my point. Eccelston brought something completely new. Previous doctors from the classic series all brought something fresh. tennant was 4th and 5th with a lot of nitric oxide thrown in. Smith was 2nd and 5th combined. Capaldi was 3rd and 6th but with a unique delivery.
I always preferred when an entirely new personality was brought forward not based on past performances. Although such as he was, Matt Smith had the most going on in my book with the new series, but unfortunately, he was tied down to companion drama and weak jr fan fiction writing (like capaldi) and wasn't really allowed to flex his muscles without them sprinkling all that sugar and flaky wave your arms around stuff they did with him. What a pity. But still, Big Finish has been doing doctor who rgith for some time though so.......
This is all of course just my opinion. And opinions aren't fact of course.
busywl69 Again, can you please name other personality facets you believe have been unexplored? I'm seriously interested.
Cyberman has a point. These things do cloud judgement.
So your one of the faithful, a willing volunteer? You've seen the future and it's copyright Cybus Industries?
You do see a point in the Cyber Leader’s words but also in the Doctor’s words. While emotions can cloud judgment, they can also guide you.
The most iconic scene ever in Dr who.
Not quite.
@@darrenjames9891 well one of them anyway.
Cybermen of the classic WHo....so many differences... so many similarities... to the newer versions of new Who.
This
Resurrection of the Daleks
And Caves of Androizani
All the best of the best episodes of the Davison era
These
Logopolis
Planet of fire
And state of decay
Plus curse of fenric and ok silver nemesis
Were the best episodes of the 1980s
Adric was so beautiful!
Anyone else collecting Doctor Who dvds (region 1) getting defective ones?? I bought this title 2ce & both had the exact same defect.
songstalker88 really? I was going to start collecting but if they're defective I shouldn't
I can't say for the individual release of Earthshock, but it's included both in its respective The Doctors Revisited DVD and the Cybermen compilation DVD release in Region 1, and it's fully functional there. If you're willing to go without the bonus features (which I'd understand if you weren't, since classic DW DVDs have great features), those are two compelling alternatives.
Tegan: because even the nicest Doctor needs someone to be bitchy with.
Probably the doctors weakest speech. Eating a well prepared meal? Really doctor?
Pizza has a lot going for it
Not all of his speeches need to be huge, like pandorica opens or rings of ahketan.
That's the 5th doctor's major character flaw(in a good way)
He doesn't have the presence of the 3rd or 4th doctors, so it far harder for himself to intimidate enemies, or prusade potential allies.
Infact, I think it's the implied reason for how the 6 doctor became so explosive and energetic compared to 5.
It's dialogue and acting like this that makes me appreciate the classic show for it's ideas and groundwork, but find it naiive and simplistic. I just can't get into this form of storytelling as serious.
ironic, that spiel coming from the walking wax figure himself
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