I was a 47 year Christian fundamentalist. Church leader, teacher, & evangelist. I saw the inconsistencies, contradictions, and stories that were clearly myths but ignored all of that until I couldn’t. I began a study of the origins and evolution of both the Bible and the Christian Church from a purely historical perspective. My study and research lasted more than a decade. My faith evaporated early into my studies but I continued my study and research just to satisfy my curiosity. I left Christianity in 2012 and I’ve never looked back. Life is so much better without religion.
@@jesussaves8386 I believe Dr Bart Ehrman is the most brilliant Bible Scholar in the country. I’ve read every book he’s written. He writes books for PHD students religious studies. I’d suggest you read anything and everything he’s written. Drs Robert Price, Richard Carrier , Elaine Pagels,. Read books written by Bible scholars not apologist because apologist are not Bible scholars .
Favorite Quote: “I’ve never felt so much freedom in my life.” This is exactly how I have felt after leaving religion. It’s not a feeling of freedom to do bad things it’s a feeling of freedom to THINK for myself.
your words are great too, and true ''not a feeling of freedom to do bad things, it's a feeling of freedom to think for yourself'. Well done.............................and yes, there's so much more freedom without someone else's doctrine, where one lives constantly with guilt of sin. And from what I've seen in others, their kids, and myself is that, that freedom to use ones own mind and gut feeling/intuition ends up making it easier to make decisions (is it right or wrong! Simple) , and that they end up being the best decisions
@@ziploc2000 ? we never say that. if one were to look into scripture, people would see that even one that follows christ is still at the same stature as one who does not, only they have repented for their sins.
Even though Stacie is my daughter, I love hearing her thoughts ,leading up to her complete deconstruction. I was in the atheist closet for such a long time, alone. So very alone . Stacie gave me the courage to FINALLY (after over 50 years) be MYSELF. Thank you, Tim, for this channel. You’re helping so many people that are alone in that closet, to step out. It’s scary but SO worth it. I’ve never been happier and Stacie is the happiest she’s ever been!
So glad to hear you are both out of the closet. It is definitely not easy to be exposed and there are challenges that comes with that but it's all worth it. Tim does an amazing job and there are strength in numbers, as they say.
So glad you and your daughter can share in the freedom from religion together. I deconstructed at age 57 and my daughter is still a Christian with her own daughter but I hope she will one day leave the church herself.
@@dorothyhusen6718 I hear your concerns. I raised my beautiful daughter as a non believer but she is married and has joined the church of her husband's, They now have a baby who has been dedicated to the church as well. My hope is the same as yours.
The sentiment that “you were never a real Christian” is a self protective reaction. It makes them feel like they are safe and will never “lose the faith”. Can’t happen to them because they are “real” believers. Because they are so caring and compassionate and love others like Jesus loves them and commanded them to do. “Love one another as I have loved you.” (I guess they left out the part where Jesus said ‘unless they are a non-believer’.) It’s really all about them, as is everything else.
This saying actually makes me very angry because the people that I know who have struggled with their beliefs have been the most Christian of all. The people who say this to others or use it to judge others are not worth a second thought.
As a vegan i hear a similar story from Carnists. Many feel really uncomfortable around vegans even if we say nothing. We often get the story ‘I went vegan and nearly died from eating a plant’. It is totally ridiculous but shows that humans will say and do anything to protect their belief system.
The reason people say they were not true believers is because of their belief. In Christianity, you don't get options of what to believe. You have to know God, know Jesus, you have to know the word, and believe the word. You have to know what you believe. And its very easy to grow up under preachers who teach a different God. For instance, the healing and prosperity and deliverance preachers. They don't preach the God of the bible, they preach a God man created to comfort their worldly feelings and some teach those things to make money. As its a multi-million dollar industry teaching people if they give money they will be blessed. I can't go into full detail on here, but Gods word is nothing about those things. Especially money. As Jesus himself said it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And blessed are the poor. People say "you werent a true Christian" because they understand the word, and understand that you had faith in something that isn't God. You don't need a church to be saved, and you don't need any persons interpretation of the bible. All you need is the word, and to believe what the word says. All of it. Anyone who claims to be a christian, and then says "well i dont know if i believe that" about anything written... Then they don't believe. You don't get the option to believe the parts of the bible you like, and then ignore the parts you don't. The bible explains the reality of the world, and if you don't want to know the reality of the world, then you won't know who God is. And you can't truly believe in something you don't know.
The part about Christianity keeping you from experiencing healthy grief -- I cannot tell you how much I identify with this and I have thought this SO many times since deconverting! You both articulated it so well and I'm so glad to hear someone else address it!!
This was a great conversation. For me, worship music is what made me dislike church. As a musician, I could see right through what the songs were trying to do. They were like bad magic tricks that were trying to emotionally manipulate me. Eventually, I grew tired of feeling like I didn’t belong. Everyone else seemed so moved, and was so bored by hearing another song sound like The Joshua Tree. If I wanted that, I’ll listen to U2.
Oh tell me about it! U2 was the only band they were allowed to sound like, so bad U2 was all we had. So manipulative! But if you questioned that, somehow you were the one with the spirit of pride or whatever. I am not an atheist, but i have been leaving churchianity for a while, now. After a lifetime .. its weird, but it is better.
Thanks, Tim and Stacie!! This was great! I feel that my story is very similar to Stacie’s, except- after my dive into reformed- I tripped into Torah observant Christianity for awhile!! Dragged my family through it, and then it all shattered 😩 and here I am, accidentally agnostic. I’m on the road to recovery now. Feels good, and heartbreaking, to be free!!! ❤❤❤ Glad to have found you both! 😊
I am so glad that you enjoyed my video with Tim! Thank you for taking the time to watch it and for leaving such a thoughtful comment. I’m so glad to hear you have found your way out of Christianity. Please feel free to connect with me on IG @apostacie ❤
Thank you for your sensitivity about losing a child. Though I almost lost my daughter a few times since it happened it has been even worse than I ever imagined. Knowing the time we spend on earth is it makes it much more meaningful and I’m so grateful I got to know and share the life of such a kind and loving person. Elizabeth Marie 3-11-1979 to 5-27-2018. 💔
Easily one of the best interviews, Tim. I really enjoyed Stacie taking us back and really being potential eye-openers to other Christians, and even atheists like myself. It's by far paid off and to learn much more from you both in this video as well was it by far an awesome experience listening and I hope to hear from you elsewhere, Stacie. You're awesome at what you do by far, and very much am I thankful that both you and I walked away from a life full of lies. Nothing but. We made it. ❤
I relate very much to this, although in my formative Christian years growing up we were a little less charismatic, only a little. We attended home fellowship with believers who would speak in tongues, dance get on their knees in the middle of church…things like that. But my parents had a bad idea of Pentecostal churches because of the differing belief of if you are saved, you will speak in tongues, as a sign that the holy spiritual lives in you. My Parents believed in the gifts but not as a sure thing for everyone. My mom spoke in tongues. When I was an adult, the last church I attended was Pentecostal. My parents loved Carmen!! I grew up with all these same things. It’s so weird to hear others who know about it. So glad to be free from the burden of hell and the gospel message. I also felt I had a huge responsibility to minister to my in laws because my husband didn’t actively Live a very open Christian life besides going to church. When my mother in law died I felt lots of guilt that I wasn’t more preachy to her. The end times and rapture was preached and prayed for every day in my home! My parents would have prayer time with us kids every night before bed and they prayed that Jesus would Come quickly. I feared it very much, I lived in an environment that felt doomed all the time and heavy. For me heaven never sounded that great but everyone wanted to go right now. I wanted to live life here. I was always scared that I’d be left behind and have to go Through The tribulation. Thank you for sharing your story! It feels good to have these conversations and to hear likeminded people share about their experiences. It’s Something I yearn for, to Connect and hash some of These things our or even share what I’ve gone through, so far there’s no one to Listen. My husband still considers himself a Christian. Anyway, thank you! ❤
I felt that about the childhood. I was deep into my religion all through primary and secondary school to the point where my head was constantly buzzing about what’s next. I had even contemplated running my truck into a tree or off the road into a ditch so I could get the final answer. I didn’t walk away until I was 33 and a divorce plus military deployments sent me on a truth journey. It’s been almost 10 years, now.
@@thestaciesmompodcast Stacie, is your brother in Thailand (still) a believer? It wasn't clear to me from the discussion. If he is, is he there in any kind of missionary capacity? Just curious. Thanks for your interview! 🙂
This was one of the best discussions of de-conversion I've watched on TH-cam, although it is a wee bit long. Hehe. Don't forget that the truth is unfearing of investigation and evaluation. Ask hard questions, think and reason into answering these questions as far as you can, be honest with yourself and don't live a lie, keep an open mind, and keep dreaming big and using your unique imagination. ;)
Great interview. I so identified with a lot here. I was a worship leader/worship pastor for many of my 40 years of christianity and broke free about 8 years ago. I love hearing others saying how really free they feel and how much better life is without the filter of christianity. Well done Stacie!
The part around the 50 minute mark is where I’m starting to question things. Walking up to someone and saying “hey believe this thing wholeheartedly while I’m over here taking it on faith! And taking people’s word for it from thousands of years ago!” I grew up in the Pentecostal church and even one that was affiliated with Bethel. I definitely get where Stacie is coming from, and I’ve also seen some very strange things. Sometimes I wonder if we want something to be true so badly our imaginations will make it so. I guess we shall see where my journey takes me.
Welcome to the real world Stacie. There’s so much wonderful learning ahead for you about this world and life. Congratulations! 😂❤ I’m happy for you and your children.
Stacie, it's been a joy hearing about your journey out of "the matrix". Gives me hope that others, that were completely immersed, will also find their way out of the indoctrination matrix. Life IS so much better post religion!
Wonderful testimony. I can so relate to Stacie's Dante's Inferno memory and her memory of the relief on realising that hell does not exist. When it hit me that hell likely did exist around the age of 20 (some 50 years ago), I also had a huge sense of elation as the fear of hell left me. I've always considered that elated feeling to have been a kind of born again experience. Years earlier I had feared that I'd committed the unpardonable sin and so hell was the only destination for me. As a result, to learn that hell was a silly and wrong idea was a huge release. I also remember feeling a bit sorry that if hell did not exist then heaven likely did not exist. IIRC, I then puzzled as to what happens after death and realising that I'd been dead before I was conceived. I was not troubled by non existence way back then and so I had no need to be worried by being dead in the future. From that point on, my faith began to drop away. But wow, the fear that I'd committed the unpardonable sin and so was doomed to hell, caused me a lot of grief for several years starting from about the age of 13 or 14. Dante's Inferno. I remember being triggered by that movie as well, on our black and white TV sometime in the mid 1960s. It was during the time I was going though the anxiety and depression sometime after committing the unpardonable sin. I was watching the movie and the scenes came on where Dante was being shown what happens in hell to sinners who have committed certain kinds of sins. When it came to blasphemy, I remember feeling as if I was being lifted in the chair. I think I was so afraid of what I was viewing and I was pushing back so hard into the chair, that I was kind of lifting myself from the seat. My parents and siblings knew nothing of this torment that was occurring inside of me. My siblings only learnt of it a few years ago. Some aspects of Christian theology are just.plain.shit. Wow. What a piece of work that pastor is who is trying to shame Stacie and her husband in public. I hope Stacie throws a massive party when she knows she has been excommunicated.
That's interesting and I am glad you are feeling better in respect to the idea of Hell. I had a bunch of sleepless nights last year when I was afraid of having sinned. I am diagnosed with schizophrenia and experienced a ton of visual hallucinations that scared me. During those rough nights, I would be dreading death and going to Hell. Recently, I've become much more well-informed from Google, TH-cam, and Wikipedia, but I still struggle with that fear (though not as much about death). What's more amazing to me than reading and hearing about supposed miracles is watching de-conversion and 'leaving Christianity' stories on TH-cam. :)
@@tayangelotv3925 By meeting up with other believers who had a theology I had been taught was damnable heresy. Those people believed that my Methodist theology was damnable heresy. So there we were, pointing the finger at each other as damnable heretics and we each used the bible to make our case. That showed me that for all our Christian certainty, none of us actually knew. Hence maybe there was no hell, and no heaven, and no God. My faith began to fall away at that point.
I came from a calvanist background and, as an adult, moved closer to spirit filled teachings before my exit lol. I never got into prophecy or tounges before my exit. I studied them, but I am too much of a realist to go that far. I had left the church 2 years before the Christian nationalist started to rise, but it caused great division with the family
Thank you Stacie and Tim for this amazing video. I find it so enlightening since it coincides with the book I'm reading. It's called, Tulip: The Poisonous Flower Of Calvinism. By David D'Andre. Highly recommended.
Ena, as I checked the comments to see if there were any new ones to reply to and saw yours immediately, I did so in the middle of reading the exact book you speak of! It’s literally sitting in my lap (on my kindle) as I type this! 😮
My question would be , how many shovels of dirt i have shoveled , how many dump trucks have I filled . Did not want a mansion or streets of gold , but I would like to live forever , and I do believe my spirit will . I'm not an atheist. I believe in a creator . I have read the bible more than once . I don't believe it is the word of god .
Once you have a big crack in your foundation, even if It’s theological, The rest starts to become a question, things don’t Feel as safe and sure as they used to and that plants seeds of Doubt. I know for Me it did. Once I realized how ridiculous it Is that so many Christian’s have different opinions about translations of the Bible and they believe whole heartedly and they all disagree with each other. It starts to really break down.
Not about everything, nor about all ultimate questions, certainly. But about the state of historical scholarship and archaeology regarding the ancient near eastern context of the Hebrew Bible (OT) and the development of that literature, its similarity to and borrowing from, literature and mythology of other ANE cultures, the ancient Canaanite pantheon of which El and YHWH were both once members, etc. And simarly, the state of scholarship on the historical Jesus and the development of 1st Century Xianity, textual criticism of the NT, development of the canon, early competing christologies . . . the very human historical facts and processes that I didn't know about for most of my life as a Christian
@@yoso585 Hi. Reading your other comments you clearly are a NONbeliever so your question here is a tad odd. Anyway, what were you referring to asking about truth❓Thanks 👍
I came out as atheist to my siblings first as they’re all unbelievers. That was a few weeks ago. I came out to my Christian wife a couple of weeks ago. That was ok. She saw me changing. It’s sad though as our relationship was s as function of our shared faith. Without the faith there’s not much relationship. So that’s ending. I went to tell my evangelical parents about this and instead of recognising the human issue they made it all about my unbelief. That was really hard. I came out to an old friend today. That was really negative.
Thank you SO MUCH for the LENGTH of this one, You are such an effective interviewer. NOT show biz. Just Solid talent on your role as sensitive, NON-invasive interviewer.
I have a similar story. I was a Christian and began doubting the religion and its dogma. This led me to a deep search for Truth. As a result I realized that Christianity was a deeply flawed religion and there is not even any objective historical evidence that Jesus even existed on Earth. This was a shock to say the least. I then lost my belief in it altogether and began the long process of deconversion. Jesus is a mythological symbol of the Self like Buddha and Krishna and many others. The Self archetype is Universal and appears in most if not all traditions. 7 years after de-conversion, my pursuit of Truth and Healing led me to experience a very real and authentic spiritual awakening, which included a direct encounter with the Real Diving Source and with the Spark of the Divine that is my True Nature.
When my husband died suddenly , UNTIL I got out of believing, I could not let go. I kept living my life for the "fact" that i would be able to complete my love story in heaven. Which stopped all hope of finding happiness here. I wanted to be with him. I love him so much, I wanted to go and be with him, but if I killed myself., I would go to hell so I was just stuck here until was dead. Gratefully, i found my way out of this lie and I found Ithe truth. Religion is a man-made construction which was made to manipulate the masses.
Wow you have grown to 6.8k subs! Congrats Tim. I was away from YT for months. Today I came back and looking my favorites. I started watching this so haven't finished yet. Nevertheless I am sure this will be just another wonderful story. You deserve more, for your humility, the style you interview guests.
I remember the gold teeth miracle story circulating in the pentecostal churches. I also heard many were pulled over after leaving the meeting because they thought they were drunk. I was raised Baptist so it was way out of my wheel house. I also went to the news boys
I was looking for the historical Jesus and discovered Ralph Ellis and read his books and watched his vids. Even got a copy of "Josephus" and check it against the bible, that he pulled together from the ancient torah and his own writings as "St. Paul." He called his religion "Simple Judiasm." He really set us up.
Hi Tim…hope you are doing well! AAAAH Kat Kerr…she’s the one with the pink hair and thinks she can cast hurricanes back out into the ocean with her magic stick! LOL 😜😜😜😜 GREAT VIDEO! Thanks Tim and Stacie…I related with Stacie so much.
And don't forget her supposed ventures to heaven with god, or whichever one she worships, and meeting them on the regular alongside the angelic relationships also.
These stories are really good but the one thing I don't understand, is why so many people who leave Christianity, and who realize that heaven and hell are just made up, assume that when life ends there's nothing. That is a fallacy of logic to me. Just because heaven doesn't exist, doesn't mean that nothing exists. All NDE-ers come back saying that religion is man-made, yes, but we still exist "somewhere", "in some form". After all, we are made of energy. And energy can neither be created or destroyed.
It’s funny I was SDA, then rebelled then came back as an evangelical then discovered reformed Christianity. I felt saved for 5 seconds until I thought of family members that do not believe. I couldn’t accept that I would be “saved” in heaven while my unsaved family members would be in hell forever. What! Then the questions started and are still coming …
I was getting kind of frustrated at the beginning because it seemed that you were taking a very long time to get to Stacie's actual deconstruction. Nevertheless, you all went to some very interesting places along the way that made it very much worthwhile.
My question is not a challenge, it is a request. Can you provide evidence or information that supports the idea that the gospels were written by initiates for agnostic Hellenistic groups? Thanks
Reverend Jesse Duplantis says: You know he can hear you rabbi right? Rabbi Tovia Singer says: I think we need to call security on him (Jesus.) Jesus/Elf: I like whispering too!
Reverend Jesse Duplantis: They have eyes but do not see ears but do not hear! You all need to come back Christians! Come back to Jesus! Rabbi Tovia Singer: Never!
Another great interview!! You do such a great job Tim, and you seem genuine and authentic. I Love that! I like hearing people talk about their deconstruction from their particular religion, I learn something new all the time. I’d like to know what podcasts Stacie listened to on cults. Usually where your guests start losing me is when they start talking about their political views, Covid, the vaccine etc. They have done such a great job looking into their religion, why not do the same for those other beliefs?? I personally know people who have taken the Covid vaccine and they have irreversible damage and I also know people who took it and so far don’t seem to have any side effects. Why is it when someone does have side effects or looks into getting the vax and then decides not to they are deemed conspiracy theorist or called crazy , anti vax etc? When you learn VAERS is exploding with adverse reactions being reported and people who signed up to be in the vax trials that started to show unfavorable outcomes were excluded from the vax trials, I can understand why people are hesitant or don’t want to take the vax. Keep on keeping on Tim!
With Enoch and the Nephilum I was taught about all of it and told it was the reason for the flood, because there wasn’t a blood line that wasn’t mixed with fallen angels. So he had to kill everyone because their blood lines were corrupted and Noah’s family was the only pure blood line.
To be in the presence of God, first you must be told of this! To be in the presence of God, you need to in a setting that is conducive to said event!!! Let’s not forget the music !
The problem with Christianity is not a problem of religion, but a problem of gender. The diety involved is intrinsically anti-female and misogynistic. That's all.
I was a 47 year Christian fundamentalist. Church leader, teacher, & evangelist. I saw the inconsistencies, contradictions, and stories that were clearly myths but ignored all of that until I couldn’t. I began a study of the origins and evolution of both the Bible and the Christian Church from a purely historical perspective.
My study and research lasted more than a decade. My faith evaporated early into my studies but I continued my study and research just to satisfy my curiosity. I left Christianity in 2012 and I’ve never looked back. Life is so much better without religion.
Wow!! Good for you! Thank you for sharing that ❤ Nice to meet another survivor of fundamentalism. Thank you for watching my story 🥰
@@jesussaves8386 I believe Dr Bart Ehrman is the most brilliant Bible Scholar in the country. I’ve read every book he’s written. He writes books for PHD students religious studies. I’d suggest you read anything and everything he’s written. Drs Robert Price, Richard Carrier , Elaine Pagels,. Read books written by Bible scholars not apologist because apologist are not Bible scholars .
Favorite Quote: “I’ve never felt so much freedom in my life.”
This is exactly how I have felt after leaving religion.
It’s not a feeling of freedom to do bad things it’s a feeling of freedom to THINK for myself.
I’m so happy you can relate! Thank you for watching my story ❤
One of the disgusting lies that apologists spread is the "atheists just want to sin" nonsense.
your words are great too, and true ''not a feeling of freedom to do bad things, it's a feeling of freedom to think for yourself'.
Well done.............................and yes, there's so much more freedom without someone else's doctrine, where one lives constantly with guilt of sin. And from what I've seen in others, their kids, and myself is that, that freedom to use ones own mind and gut feeling/intuition ends up making it easier to make decisions (is it right or wrong! Simple) , and that they end up being the best decisions
Excellent! I always liked the quote, "Don't let anyone tell you how to think or feel, judge for yourself."
@@ziploc2000 ? we never say that. if one were to look into scripture, people would see that even one that follows christ is still at the same stature as one who does not, only they have repented for their sins.
Even though Stacie is my daughter, I love hearing her thoughts ,leading up to her complete deconstruction. I was in the atheist closet for such a long time, alone. So very alone . Stacie gave me the courage to FINALLY (after over 50 years) be MYSELF.
Thank you, Tim, for this channel. You’re helping so many people that are alone in that closet, to step out.
It’s scary but SO worth it.
I’ve never been happier and
Stacie is the happiest she’s ever been!
Well done Stacie's mum, both for the daughter you raised and for being able to step out into the sunshine yourself.
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So glad to hear you are both out of the closet. It is definitely not easy to be exposed and there are challenges that comes with that but it's all worth it. Tim does an amazing job and there are strength in numbers, as they say.
So glad you and your daughter can share in the freedom from religion together. I deconstructed at age 57 and my daughter is still a Christian with her own daughter but I hope she will one day leave the church herself.
@@dorothyhusen6718 I hear your concerns. I raised my beautiful daughter as a non believer but she is married and has joined the church of her husband's, They now have a baby who has been dedicated to the church as well. My hope is the same as yours.
The sentiment that “you were never a real Christian” is a self protective reaction. It makes them feel like they are safe and will never “lose the faith”. Can’t happen to them because they are “real” believers. Because they are so caring and compassionate and love others like Jesus loves them and commanded them to do. “Love one another as I have loved you.” (I guess they left out the part where Jesus said ‘unless they are a non-believer’.) It’s really all about them, as is everything else.
Very protective for them and very manipulative against anyone leaving.
This saying actually makes me very angry because the people that I know who have struggled with their beliefs have been the most Christian of all. The people who say this to others or use it to judge others are not worth a second thought.
As a vegan i hear a similar story from Carnists. Many feel really uncomfortable around vegans even if we say nothing. We often get the story ‘I went vegan and nearly died from eating a plant’. It is totally ridiculous but shows that humans will say and do anything to protect their belief system.
Three hours?? Goodness
The reason people say they were not true believers is because of their belief. In Christianity, you don't get options of what to believe. You have to know God, know Jesus, you have to know the word, and believe the word. You have to know what you believe. And its very easy to grow up under preachers who teach a different God. For instance, the healing and prosperity and deliverance preachers. They don't preach the God of the bible, they preach a God man created to comfort their worldly feelings and some teach those things to make money. As its a multi-million dollar industry teaching people if they give money they will be blessed. I can't go into full detail on here, but Gods word is nothing about those things. Especially money. As Jesus himself said it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And blessed are the poor. People say "you werent a true Christian" because they understand the word, and understand that you had faith in something that isn't God. You don't need a church to be saved, and you don't need any persons interpretation of the bible. All you need is the word, and to believe what the word says. All of it. Anyone who claims to be a christian, and then says "well i dont know if i believe that" about anything written... Then they don't believe. You don't get the option to believe the parts of the bible you like, and then ignore the parts you don't. The bible explains the reality of the world, and if you don't want to know the reality of the world, then you won't know who God is. And you can't truly believe in something you don't know.
The part about Christianity keeping you from experiencing healthy grief -- I cannot tell you how much I identify with this and I have thought this SO many times since deconverting! You both articulated it so well and I'm so glad to hear someone else address it!!
This was a great conversation.
For me, worship music is what made me dislike church. As a musician, I could see right through what the songs were trying to do. They were like bad magic tricks that were trying to emotionally manipulate me. Eventually, I grew tired of feeling like I didn’t belong. Everyone else seemed so moved, and was so bored by hearing another song sound like The Joshua Tree. If I wanted that, I’ll listen to U2.
Thank you for watching.. I’m glad you enjoyed our conversation ❤
Oh tell me about it! U2 was the only band they were allowed to sound like, so bad U2 was all we had. So manipulative! But if you questioned that, somehow you were the one with the spirit of pride or whatever.
I am not an atheist, but i have been leaving churchianity for a while, now. After a lifetime .. its weird, but it is better.
Thanks, Tim and Stacie!! This was great! I feel that my story is very similar to Stacie’s, except- after my dive into reformed- I tripped into Torah observant Christianity for awhile!! Dragged my family through it, and then it all shattered 😩 and here I am, accidentally agnostic. I’m on the road to recovery now. Feels good, and heartbreaking, to be free!!! ❤❤❤
Glad to have found you both! 😊
I am so glad that you enjoyed my video with Tim! Thank you for taking the time to watch it and for leaving such a thoughtful comment. I’m so glad to hear you have found your way out of Christianity.
Please feel free to connect with me on IG @apostacie ❤
Thank you for your sensitivity about losing a child. Though I almost lost my daughter a few times since it happened it has been even worse than I ever imagined. Knowing the time we spend on earth is it makes it much more meaningful and I’m so grateful I got to know and share the life of such a kind and loving person. Elizabeth Marie 3-11-1979 to 5-27-2018. 💔
I am so sorry.
Very sincere young woman. Thank you for sharing your story.
Thank you so much for watching. Your comment of recognizing my sincerity means a lot to me 🥰
Easily one of the best interviews, Tim. I really enjoyed Stacie taking us back and really being potential eye-openers to other Christians, and even atheists like myself. It's by far paid off and to learn much more from you both in this video as well was it by far an awesome experience listening and I hope to hear from you elsewhere, Stacie. You're awesome at what you do by far, and very much am I thankful that both you and I walked away from a life full of lies. Nothing but. We made it. ❤
I relate very much to this, although in my formative Christian years growing up we were a little less charismatic, only a little. We attended home fellowship with believers who would speak in tongues, dance get on their knees in the middle of church…things like that. But my parents had a bad idea of Pentecostal churches because of the differing belief of if you are saved, you will speak in tongues, as a sign that the holy spiritual lives in you. My
Parents believed in the gifts but not as a sure thing for everyone.
My mom spoke in tongues.
When I was an adult, the last church I attended was Pentecostal. My parents loved Carmen!! I grew up with all these same things. It’s so weird to hear others who know about it. So glad to be free from the burden of hell and the gospel message. I also felt I had a huge responsibility to minister to my in laws because my husband didn’t actively
Live a very open Christian life besides going to church. When my mother in law died I felt lots of guilt that I wasn’t more preachy to her. The end times and rapture was preached and prayed for every day in my home! My parents would have prayer time with us kids every night before bed and they prayed that Jesus would
Come quickly. I feared it very much, I lived in an environment that felt doomed all the time and heavy. For me heaven never sounded that great but everyone wanted to go right now. I wanted to live life here. I was always scared that I’d be left behind and have to go
Through
The tribulation. Thank you for sharing your story! It feels good to have these conversations and to hear likeminded people share about their experiences. It’s
Something I yearn for, to
Connect and hash some of
These things our or even share what I’ve gone through, so far there’s no one to
Listen. My husband still considers himself a Christian. Anyway, thank you! ❤
I felt that about the childhood. I was deep into my religion all through primary and secondary school to the point where my head was constantly buzzing about what’s next. I had even contemplated running my truck into a tree or off the road into a ditch so I could get the final answer. I didn’t walk away until I was 33 and a divorce plus military deployments sent me on a truth journey. It’s been almost 10 years, now.
I’m glad you’re out too ❤
I know I’m commenting a lot but, Stacie is just an amazingly honest person. Thank you so much for this interview.
Thank you for taking the time to listen. That really means a lot ❤
@@thestaciesmompodcast Stacie, is your brother in Thailand (still) a believer? It wasn't clear to me from the discussion. If he is, is he there in any kind of missionary capacity? Just curious. Thanks for your interview! 🙂
This was one of the best discussions of de-conversion I've watched on TH-cam, although it is a wee bit long. Hehe.
Don't forget that the truth is unfearing of investigation and evaluation. Ask hard questions, think and reason into answering these questions as far as you can, be honest with yourself and don't live a lie, keep an open mind, and keep dreaming big and using your unique imagination. ;)
Yes! Stacie is awesome.
Thank you both!!! ❤
@@thestaciesmompodcastomg love your handle ahaha
Great interview. I so identified with a lot here. I was a worship leader/worship pastor for many of my 40 years of christianity and broke free about 8 years ago. I love hearing others saying how really free they feel and how much better life is without the filter of christianity. Well done Stacie!
Thank you so much ❤
The part around the 50 minute mark is where I’m starting to question things. Walking up to someone and saying “hey believe this thing wholeheartedly while I’m over here taking it on faith! And taking people’s word for it from thousands of years ago!”
I grew up in the Pentecostal church and even one that was affiliated with Bethel. I definitely get where Stacie is coming from, and I’ve also seen some very strange things. Sometimes I wonder if we want something to be true so badly our imaginations will make it so.
I guess we shall see where my journey takes me.
Welcome to the real world Stacie. There’s so much wonderful learning ahead for you about this world and life. Congratulations! 😂❤ I’m happy for you and your children.
Thank you so much! I’m really glad you enjoyed this video, I enjoyed speaking with Tim a lot! ☺️
Stacie, it's been a joy hearing about your journey out of "the matrix". Gives me hope that others, that were completely immersed, will also find their way out of the indoctrination matrix. Life IS so much better post religion!
Thank you so much for your kind words! I’m glad that I could bring some hope to others. ❤
Great interview! Always wonderful to see someone escape from it all.
Thank you so much ❤
Made my night again Tim! Two days in a row❤️😊
Another great interview. Thanks for the amazing work and the wonderful guests.
Thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed it ❤
I think many Christians feel disappointed that burning at the stake is not a legal means anymore.
If some bible fundamentalists got their way it would come back.
Wonderful testimony. I can so relate to Stacie's Dante's Inferno memory and her memory of the relief on realising that hell does not exist.
When it hit me that hell likely did exist around the age of 20 (some 50 years ago), I also had a huge sense of elation as the fear of hell left me. I've always considered that elated feeling to have been a kind of born again experience. Years earlier I had feared that I'd committed the unpardonable sin and so hell was the only destination for me. As a result, to learn that hell was a silly and wrong idea was a huge release. I also remember feeling a bit sorry that if hell did not exist then heaven likely did not exist. IIRC, I then puzzled as to what happens after death and realising that I'd been dead before I was conceived. I was not troubled by non existence way back then and so I had no need to be worried by being dead in the future.
From that point on, my faith began to drop away.
But wow, the fear that I'd committed the unpardonable sin and so was doomed to hell, caused me a lot of grief for several years starting from about the age of 13 or 14.
Dante's Inferno. I remember being triggered by that movie as well, on our black and white TV sometime in the mid 1960s. It was during the time I was going though the anxiety and depression sometime after committing the unpardonable sin. I was watching the movie and the scenes came on where Dante was being shown what happens in hell to sinners who have committed certain kinds of sins. When it came to blasphemy, I remember feeling as if I was being lifted in the chair. I think I was so afraid of what I was viewing and I was pushing back so hard into the chair, that I was kind of lifting myself from the seat.
My parents and siblings knew nothing of this torment that was occurring inside of me. My siblings only learnt of it a few years ago.
Some aspects of Christian theology are just.plain.shit.
Wow. What a piece of work that pastor is who is trying to shame Stacie and her husband in public. I hope Stacie throws a massive party when she knows she has been excommunicated.
That's interesting and I am glad you are feeling better in respect to the idea of Hell. I had a bunch of sleepless nights last year when I was afraid of having sinned. I am diagnosed with schizophrenia and experienced a ton of visual hallucinations that scared me. During those rough nights, I would be dreading death and going to Hell. Recently, I've become much more well-informed from Google, TH-cam, and Wikipedia, but I still struggle with that fear (though not as much about death). What's more amazing to me than reading and hearing about supposed miracles is watching de-conversion and 'leaving Christianity' stories on TH-cam. :)
How did you overcome?
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By meeting up with other believers who had a theology I had been taught was damnable heresy. Those people believed that my Methodist theology was damnable heresy.
So there we were, pointing the finger at each other as damnable heretics and we each used the bible to make our case.
That showed me that for all our Christian certainty, none of us actually knew. Hence maybe there was no hell, and no heaven, and no God.
My faith began to fall away at that point.
@@rolandwatts3218 wow, brilliant...hopefully i experience my "AHA!" moment soon before its too late
I came from a calvanist background and, as an adult, moved closer to spirit filled teachings before my exit lol. I never got into prophecy or tounges before my exit. I studied them, but I am too much of a realist to go that far. I had left the church 2 years before the Christian nationalist started to rise, but it caused great division with the family
Thanks for your interview.
Since I left Jehovah I've been having a devil of a time with Satan and loving it. Justin porter ex jw
Welcome to outside. No mean feat to leave them! Well done!
Thank you Stacie and Tim for this amazing video. I find it so enlightening since it coincides with the book I'm reading. It's called, Tulip: The Poisonous Flower Of Calvinism. By David D'Andre. Highly recommended.
Ena, as I checked the comments to see if there were any new ones to reply to and saw yours immediately, I did so in the middle of reading the exact book you speak of! It’s literally sitting in my lap (on my kindle) as I type this! 😮
@@thestaciesmompodcast Hi. Like the play on your name there‼️
When the word Exegesis came up I thought of ExitJesus‼️ 😬
My question would be , how many shovels of dirt i have shoveled , how many dump trucks have I filled . Did not want a mansion or streets of gold , but I would like to live forever , and I do believe my spirit will . I'm not an atheist.
I believe in a creator . I have read the bible more than once .
I don't believe it is the word of god .
Once you have a big crack in your foundation, even if
It’s theological,
The rest starts to become a question, things don’t
Feel as safe and sure as they used to and that plants seeds of
Doubt. I know for
Me it did. Once I realized how ridiculous it
Is that so many Christian’s have different opinions about translations of the Bible and they believe whole heartedly and they all disagree with each other. It starts to really break down.
Another good interview. Every one of these deconstruction stories, though different than mine, all have parts that are so familiar to my experiance.
Totally agree with Stacie it's fascinating to learn the real truth - way more interesting now
Not about everything, nor about all ultimate questions, certainly. But about the state of historical scholarship and archaeology regarding the ancient near eastern context of the Hebrew Bible (OT) and the development of that literature, its similarity to and borrowing from, literature and mythology of other ANE cultures, the ancient Canaanite pantheon of which El and YHWH were both once members, etc. And simarly, the state of scholarship on the historical Jesus and the development of 1st Century Xianity, textual criticism of the NT, development of the canon, early competing christologies . . . the very human historical facts and processes that I didn't know about for most of my life as a Christian
@@yoso585 Hi. Reading your other comments you clearly are a NONbeliever so your question here is a tad odd.
Anyway, what were you referring to asking about truth❓Thanks 👍
I came out as atheist to my siblings first as they’re all unbelievers. That was a few weeks ago. I came out to my Christian wife a couple of weeks ago. That was ok. She saw me changing. It’s sad though as our relationship was s as function of our shared faith. Without the faith there’s not much relationship. So that’s ending. I went to tell my evangelical parents about this and instead of recognising the human issue they made it all about my unbelief. That was really hard. I came out to an old friend today. That was really negative.
Thank you SO MUCH for the LENGTH of this one, You are such an effective interviewer. NOT show biz. Just Solid talent on your role as sensitive, NON-invasive interviewer.
Awesome thank you
Thank you so much for watching ❤
I have a similar story. I was a Christian and began doubting the religion and its dogma. This led me to a deep search for Truth. As a result I realized that Christianity was a deeply flawed religion and there is not even any objective historical evidence that Jesus even existed on Earth. This was a shock to say the least. I then lost my belief in it altogether and began the long process of deconversion. Jesus is a mythological symbol of the Self like Buddha and Krishna and many others. The Self archetype is Universal and appears in most if not all traditions. 7 years after de-conversion, my pursuit of Truth and Healing led me to experience a very real and authentic spiritual awakening, which included a direct encounter with the Real Diving Source and with the Spark of the Divine that is my True Nature.
When my husband died suddenly , UNTIL I got out of believing, I could not let go. I kept living my life for the "fact" that i would be able to complete my love story in heaven. Which stopped all hope of finding happiness here. I wanted to be with him. I love him so much, I wanted to go and be with him, but if I killed myself., I would go to hell so I was just stuck here until was dead. Gratefully, i found my way out of this lie and I found Ithe truth. Religion is a man-made construction which was made to manipulate the masses.
Wow you have grown to 6.8k subs! Congrats Tim. I was away from YT for months. Today I came back and looking my favorites. I started watching this so haven't finished yet. Nevertheless I am sure this will be just another wonderful story. You deserve more, for your humility, the style you interview guests.
I remember the gold teeth miracle story circulating in the pentecostal churches. I also heard many were pulled over after leaving the meeting because they thought they were drunk. I was raised Baptist so it was way out of my wheel house. I also went to the news boys
I was looking for the historical Jesus and discovered Ralph Ellis and read his books and watched his vids. Even got a copy of "Josephus" and check it against the bible, that he pulled together from the ancient torah and his own writings as "St. Paul." He called his religion "Simple Judiasm." He really set us up.
Rabbi Tovia Singer says about Jesus: That man is gonna be very dangerous we've got to do something about that man very soon
Rabbi Tovia Singer: Oh course we don't! No one is suppose to know!
Thanks for speaking out!
Locked away at the moment of creation and nobody knew (his name) or the word "war."
Hi Tim…hope you are doing well! AAAAH Kat Kerr…she’s the one with the pink hair and thinks she can cast hurricanes back out into the ocean with her magic stick! LOL 😜😜😜😜
GREAT VIDEO! Thanks Tim and Stacie…I related with Stacie so much.
And don't forget her supposed ventures to heaven with god, or whichever one she worships, and meeting them on the regular alongside the angelic relationships also.
These stories are really good but the one thing I don't understand, is why so many people who leave Christianity, and who realize that heaven and hell are just made up, assume that when life ends there's nothing. That is a fallacy of logic to me. Just because heaven doesn't exist, doesn't mean that nothing exists. All NDE-ers come back saying that religion is man-made, yes, but we still exist "somewhere", "in some form". After all, we are made of energy. And energy can neither be created or destroyed.
It’s funny I was SDA, then rebelled then came back as an evangelical then discovered reformed Christianity. I felt saved for 5 seconds until I thought of family members that do not believe. I couldn’t accept that I would be “saved” in heaven while my unsaved family members would be in hell forever. What! Then the questions started and are still coming …
I was getting kind of frustrated at the beginning because it seemed that you were taking a very long time to get to Stacie's actual deconstruction. Nevertheless, you all went to some very interesting places along the way that made it very much worthwhile.
Thank you so much for sticking with it and I’m glad you enjoyed the conversation 🥰
My question is not a challenge, it is a request.
Can you provide evidence or information that supports the idea that the gospels were written by initiates for agnostic Hellenistic groups?
Thanks
Stacie, Thailand is q beautiful country. You would love it.
Reverend Jesse Duplantis: Hmmm...... that's one less than what I got to preach to. Not what I expected. It's not working.
Rabbi Tovia Singer says: He obviously isn't working hard enough. No one wanted him. But Jesse he choose? Really?! Well isn't that a fortune!
Reverend Jesse Duplantis says: You know he can hear you rabbi right? Rabbi Tovia Singer says: I think we need to call security on him (Jesus.) Jesus/Elf: I like whispering too!
A comment for the count...
I can identify with what it feels like to have had parts of your younger life stolen from you (1:30:35).
Another great interview!
Reverend Jesse Duplantis: They have eyes but do not see ears but do not hear! You all need to come back Christians! Come back to Jesus! Rabbi Tovia Singer: Never!
Another great interview!! You do such a great job Tim, and you seem genuine and authentic. I Love that! I like hearing people talk about their deconstruction from their particular religion, I learn something new all the time. I’d like to know what podcasts Stacie listened to on cults. Usually where your guests start losing me is when they start talking about their political views, Covid, the vaccine etc. They have done such a great job looking into their religion, why not do the same for those other beliefs?? I personally know people who have taken the Covid vaccine and they have irreversible damage and I also know people who took it and so far don’t seem to have any side effects. Why is it when someone does have side effects or looks into getting the vax and then decides not to they are deemed conspiracy theorist or called crazy , anti vax etc? When you learn VAERS is exploding with adverse reactions being reported and people who signed up to be in the vax trials that started to show unfavorable outcomes were excluded from the vax trials, I can understand why people are hesitant or don’t want to take the vax.
Keep on keeping on Tim!
Jesus/Rand al' Thor: I need .....! Uh? You won't? Ex-christians: We won't. Jesus/Rand al' Thor: Very well.
She's hilarious. Seems like genuinely a great person. If only there were 10 billion of her on the planet then it would be heaven on earth lol
Agreed!!
@@HarmonicAtheistThere's a spelling mistake in the title of this video. Can you spot it?
With Enoch and the Nephilum I was taught about all of it and told it was the reason for the flood, because there wasn’t a blood line that wasn’t mixed with fallen angels. So he had to kill everyone because their blood lines were corrupted and Noah’s family was the only pure blood line.
I was taught that too, thinking about it 😢
Psalms 137 about dashing people's babies upon the rocks......Rabbi Tovia Singer says: He didn't say that! Did he?
@37:18 yeah we better not have fallen asleep. 😳
@36:23 sound like the churches I went too
To be in the presence of God, first you must be told of this! To be in the presence of God, you need to in a setting that is conducive to said event!!! Let’s not forget the music !
The problem with Christianity is not a problem of religion, but a problem of gender. The diety involved is intrinsically anti-female and misogynistic. That's all.
How so?
@@bjn3232 You already know the answer. Why are you asking me?
That is part of it. But not all of it.
It's funny that none of the pastors and others of the church were ever spiritually aware enough, to know you were never really a Christian. Lol
Did you see them burning this guy is funny
What?
It's so sad the karma that these people that run the technology alone here and they don't get it because they know what they did to me