Hamelin plays Liszt: Legend No.2 "St. Francois de Paule marchant sur le flots"
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- Marc-Andre Hamelin performing Liszt Legend No.2 "St. Francois de Paule marchant sur le flots".
Live from Royal Albert Hall, London. 24/08/2011 - เพลง
![Liszt - Legend No. 2 [Yunchan Lim]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/f4Z8wL_pqeU/mqdefault.jpg)
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Saint-Saëns: on his hearing Liszt play Saint Francis of Paula Walking on the Waters:
"Never again will there be seen or heard anything equal to it."
+Daniel Ard any reference on that?
+Ryan Tan Jit Ming books.google.com/books?id=h9s5AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=%22Never+again+will+there+be+seen+or+heard+anything+equal+to+it.&source=bl&ots=Y9eq5_tg69&sig=8hHcovf7upwPct-olnwhpkhJWRw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWlJyK3ozKAhUL1mMKHWQMDUwQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22Never%20again%20will%20there%20be%20seen%20or%20heard%20anything%20equal%20to%20it.&f=false
If I had one wish, it would be to travel back in time to hear Liszt perform. He was, and is still, unparalleled. ☺
He will refer you to his favourite pupil Carl Tausig.
Yes, though people do tend to forget Rachmaninoff in his advanced technique
How do you know though?
@@seanfogarty5559 Although we'll never know what Liszt sounded like, there is no doubt that he was one of the great pianists of all time, if not the greatest. We know this because of comparisons with pianists that we do have recordings of.
After attending one of Josef Hofmann's concerts in which he played the Chopin B minor Sonata, Sergei Rachmaninoff said "Not since Anton Rubinstein have I heard anything like this". Famously, Rachmaninoff subsequently dropped the sonata from his repertoire because he didn't think he could do it the same justice as Hofmann could. We therefore know that Rubinstein was at least the equal of his pupil, Hofmann. Further evidence of this is from Hofmann himself, when speaking to Abram Chasins: "I'm very sorry for you that you never heard my master. Why... I'm a child - all of us put together are infants - compared to his titanic force". In the 19th century, Anton Rubinstein was considered second only to Liszt himself.
There are many anecdotes about Liszt's pianistic genius that give you an idea of what he might have been like. Numerous stories exist from famous Liszt pupils like Arthur Friedheim and Emil Von Sauer, who have themselves made a number of fantastic recordings.
Two famous anecdotes of Liszt's incredible ability come from Edvard Grieg, who visited Liszt in his mid-20s. He showed Liszt his newly-composed violin sonata. The following was written by Grieg:
"Now you must bear in mind, in the first place, that he had never seen nor heard the sonata, and in the second place that it was a sonata with a violin part, now above, now below, independent of the piano part. And what does Liszt do? He plays the whole thing, root and branch, violin and piano, nay more, for he played fuller, more broadly. The violin got its due right in the middle of the piano part. He was literally over the whole piano at once, without missing a note, and how he did play! With grandeur, beauty, genius, unique comprehension. I think I laughed - laughed like an idiot."
An even more famous anecdote is of when Grieg showed Liszt his famous Piano Concerto in A minor. Liszt asked Grieg to play it, but he declined as he had not practised it (I suspect nerves played a part too). In response, Liszt sight-read the concerto, all the while commenting about it to Grieg and a small audience of other musicians present. After he finished it, he encouraged Grieg's abilities. Coming from Liszt himself, this had a profound impact on Grieg.
If you're interested in finding out more, I recommend Alan Walker's three-part Liszt biography.
@@tomcarterpianist Liszt definitely was the greatest pianist at the time, and the most revolutionary composer/pianist ever who opened up windows.
However, technically he would be behind compared to some of today's greats - the greatest of whom is Hamelin (in terms of technical understanding). The level of precision and accuracy of today's playing (and I mean in delivering precise tone, nuance, dynamics and expression) compared to a century ago is night and day - it has dramatically improved due to the advent of recordings and refinements to piano technology. And of course, it also improved due to the advent of piano pedagogy as we understand piano playing and teaching more than ever today.
Not to mention Liszt would find today's pianos monstrously heavy in regards to key touch.
Practice your scales kids
Love the two legends so much.
Same
Especially the second one
I actually like Hamelin's performance. Because he throws off the technical bits so well, he doesn't have to resort to sticky sweetness to get the point across.
3:16 sure, he is walking in the sea
I grew up with this song and i can't believe listen it without emotion
hamelin is one of the best
Just love this dramatic performance, even if it sounds as if he is on board the Titanic rather than floating on the water, it is certainly a 'Titanic' performance. I particularly like 1.42, 3.09 (sounds like a bear is jumping about!) and the ending 6.24, a quote from Liszt Funerailles. Liszt did of course approve of students making musical improvisations on his works, so this is fine by me!
Perfection.
If composers wrote something about water they often used E Major as the Tonality. For Example Ravel used it in Jeux d‘eau or Liszt in Les Jeux d‘eaux à la Ville d‘este.
I have just found Liszt Am Rhein Schonen strome which is about water and also in E major.
and Liszt Legend no. 2 too
This is perfect.
This is such an organ piece
Bravo bravo bravo
Seeing the written score does add a great deal of soul to this wonderful work! I see some Chopin phrasing lurking about.
Good find! There's a major chord played indeed.
"sur leS flots", otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
Thanks for sharing this mezmering piece
Walking on water.
I keep finding these random songs by Liszt in my recommended and they're all nice songs.
love those low notes.
El cuento de Homeleen ,gracias por ponerlo
En un vídeo muestran la ciudad Hamelin. Lalo hermanos Green son geniales. ,leí el cuento a los 7. años. 🇮🇷💞🙏.
Kinda reminds me of Liszt's Tannhauser transcription. Would love to hear Hamelin play that.
same key
@Yeah
True.
21/07/2022.
@newFranzFerencLiszt Oh sure, it's filled with concerts (there are Royal Albert Hall, Wigmore Hall, etc.), but I don't think they cost that much xD Prices must be quite decent :)
1:25 ❤
and 4:55 ❤
Haunting
El primer cuento que leí á los 7 años de Los hermanos Grimm ,hasta a Liszt. le gustaron. 🇲🇽🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
Just can't resist, can you, Hamelin? He's adding grace note accidentals on the final arpeggios and he used a suspension on the 2nd to last chord (C natural on the top instead of B)
He has to prove he’s human afterall
Hamelin, impressive as usual
Impressive Liszt
Impressive.
Having just listened to Wilhelm Kempff's version this performance strikes me as rather insensitive and hard driven. This is a visionary piece of (quasi-)religious fervour and does not need the technocrat virtuoso treatment. Kempff is technically vulnerable, he fumbles and misses plenty, but it is not important in the marvellous way he carries Liszt's noble vision over the mighty waves. Both the waves and vision largely seem to elude Hamelin here.
What a strange pair of pianists to compare :) One can't really, and I am only talking about this particular piece though. I'm a huge fan of MAH and seldom disagree with anything he does. He just gets too glib sometimes. This stuff is far too easy for him.
Stop making excuses for those who have weak technique. Hamelin goes to the pathos of this piece by putting his incredible technique at the service of the music; one cannot explore the deep meaning of Liszt's music by playing it as if it was a bloody lullaby. I gather you don't understand the meaning of this piece...good walking over the waves of evil et cetera.
I recorded this years before Hamelin. th-cam.com/video/AAXeLBDXrM4/w-d-xo.html
@newFranzFerencLiszt This concert was only about £16 I think.
I didn't say it wasn't cool, maybe Hamelin wanted to change it.
I said that he simply plays an other note than what's written on the sheet.
THis piece (and this performance) bring out all the sonic problems with the modern grand piano. A lot of this sounds like a tank plowing through a scrap metal yard.
Don't blame the instrument, blame the performer and recording engineer.
Transcendental.
is the ossia easier?
Deixando o gosto de lado!!! bom trabalho com a questão tímbrica, bom contraste entre as vozes, transposição das mesmas, um tanto complexa, mas, sem perder a coesão..etc, etc, etc. O artista pensa e faz, os demais interpretam.
best performe of liszt legend
Wait a moment. I've never seen this version of the sheet at 4:30.
In my edition, the left hand is a back and forth octave scale, which I always found impossible to play, and really stopped me from learning it. Does anyone have the same edition that I have?
Omg an error, can't believe: the chord at 3:56 with a B# instead a normal B.
But he's still awesome, i really admire him.
MrMauroLoca perfect pitch?
I hear the beginning of the Firebird in the very first notes...
If you want to look for "inspirations" for Firebird, listen to Rimsky-Korsakov's Sinfonietta on Russian Themes...
I think he hits a C in those E chords at the end by mistake. Where is the F?
That is an harmonic error, that note is a natural B in all edition i checked, look to at the following measure, which is identical to the previous, he plays a G# minor chord.
To improvise or emphasise by changing harmony is pointless and remember that also Hamelin sometimes make mishaps in live concerts...
MrMauroLoca who fucking cares bro?
Alright.
if on other sheet music it has a b then it is an error. but, classical music holds no limits, so he may have wanted it there for enphasis
Timbore No 88:Duos Irae Theme-John Xiamo
How is 2:00 not illegal?
Hmm.. I think he gets too turbulent too soon. The left hand simply gets a little but noisy in my humble opinion. It doesn't sound dignified enough in a way.
I agree.......technically he can't be faulted and his tone is lush, but he has little feeling for the religious grandeur of Liszt's portrait in sound.......to me his phrasing seems capricious and not born of the melody, and yes his left hand scales remain scales, never magically transmuted to the waves St. Francis walked upon.
You should listen to Tamas Vasary on TH-cam. He trained at the Franz Liszt Academy in Budapest, and his performance is wonderful!
I wish he had played the accents like they are written down in the score. Mm. 2 and 5 for instance, zero accents in his performance.
Rather screws up on the last six bars. There's a very interesting version of this played on a contemporary Erard, 1860, iron framed piano, where the trumpet fanfare at the end is very convincing as is the raging torrent before St Francis de Paule walks on the waves, and the warning buoy rings out its tocsin.
It's true that the very best pianists never give a mediocre performance: a great pianist on an off day plays atrociously. I play this piece; it's not super difficult (less difficult than Chopin studies for example), but it's very dense with notes from beginning to end and there are lots of things you can mess up if you're not on form. (The double-note arpeggios at the end for example, which he completely misses.) Someone recorded this surreptitiously I presume; I can't imagine he would have allowed this to be released commercially. I've nothing but respect for Hamelin of course, but we shouldn't suspend our critical faculties just because a recording has a famous name attached to it. I recommend Pierre-Laurent Aimard's recording of this piece.
I don't think it's in the least bit true, or even remotely credible, that the best pianists never give mediocre performances.
The soap opera version, with lots of the same monotone swirly effect. Not MAH's best night.
left hand etude
Le Conreto No 88-Glakaba
This piece requires a certain charisma from its performer. Hamelin has always been deficient in that area, but in this piece it's glaring. And no, it's not because his technique makes it too easy for him to play. The new generation of pianists are his technical equals if not more so. It's because he's one of the last of the boring literalists that started to plague pianism from the 1920s up until the 1980s. It's hard to make music like this sound pedestrian, but he manages. Bravo!
Totally true.. Hamelin is so boring
Totally agree.
There is a recording of Horowitz playing the same Legend - and the difference is flagrant.
While Horowitz truly performs this masterpiece in all of its emotional and religious grandeur, as well as shows all of the magnificent contrasts of Liszt’s writing, Hamelin basically scans the score like an AI - technically perfect, but without an ounce of any musical feeling.
It is unfortunate that this performance got 300 000 views, while Horowitz’s brilliant interpretation has less than 5k.
P. S. Sorry if there are some mistakes - I’m not a native English speaker.
This kind of reminds me of Alkan
00:05
Even for Hamelin: semel licet insanire.
Very good but too fast
... that's the whole point...
Always Hamelin lol.
I prefer the intepretation by cziffra, but nevertheless this is still great
Need technical prowess.
No it doesnt. If there is anything Hamelin is good at, its being technical.
maybe the only piece by Liszt I have listened thus far (I've listened to many) that didn't set me in ecstasy...Strange.
You can try Jean-Rodolphe Kars ( a catholic priest , no longer playing )
This performance is so empty. It's basically Hamelin showing off and being his usual aggressive virtuoso self. Listen to Tamas Vasary for a superior performance. He studied at the Franz Liszt Academy and is one of the greatest virtuoso pianists in the World. He never shows off, never plays angrily. He is faithful to the title and spirit of the music, and his technique is strong and powerful. But he uses his technique to serve the meaning behind the music.
Ho letto molti commenti negativi, per me è hockey
omg noonecurs
Thought it was just me, but I agree with several comments below, kind of a muddy recording, really difficult to discern what's going on. I can't speak for the interpretation, but it seemed a bit dry for me, but the piece itself doesn't really do anything for me anyway.
Really screwed up the final bars. They're supposed to be a fanfare of trumpets but here they are just a muddled set of chords.
I love this piece and Hamelin as pianist, but I don’t like Hamelin playing this piece. Other pianists do it much better justice!
Really screwed up the ascent into heaven passage, losing the trumpets.
Too much pedal? A lot of it just sounds like roaring and growling.
The worst legend j listen in my life : heavy - hard - sonority of the piano , no lyricism no musicality , the nose on the keyboard , fingers play the notes of this legend without the brain , where is Saint François de Paule marchant sur les flots ? on the sheet music but don't go out , all notes are played only and no more
this gave me headache , i dont know why
A lot of errors, but good :)
What in the hell was Hamelin trying to do? Scare the birds away. For God's sake most of this work is played not on the keys but inside the piano by touching the string directly somewhat like a harp. What a titanic mess.
And then people will blame Liszt when the performer is at fault.
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt indeed
Entirely vapid piece
No, entirely vapid performance. This piece is incredibly numinous.
No es leyenda es un cuento de los hermanos 😂 Grlmm por qué les gusta administrar la ignorancia. ?😔
No 😔 es leyenda es solo un cuento de los Hnos 😔Grimm.
Great but not special.
Quite a shallow piece....
I'd disagree.
This performance is quite shallow. Listen to Cziffra's instead.
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt listen to the best video recording available by Duchable. Miles ahead every other versions.