I wondered the same thing.... I'm pretty sure they bring in new stacks to flip through during each transition. One of our guides said he was part of the show when he was in high school as one of the guys that do all the crazy ring tossing.
why would you go again? what is so great about this enormous abuse? and yes, they have internet connection, but they can't reach other countries, internet is limited for North-Korea and basically used only for e-mails and websites about the regime.
@superhaz17: I definitely recommend the 150 euro over the 80. We saw the show twice and had those seats. The 80 euro seats are off center and regular stadium bucket seats with no table in front of you. 150 euro are center with a large table top (can use cam with small tripod) large padded seats, and are spaced so the people in closer rows don't block even if they stand up. The 300 euro seats are totally not worth it though, basically they're the same but closer, which isn't really a benefit for
:) I saw a little bid off this Mass game in a travel program for the Netherlands. They where kinda allowed to go there so they got the chance to make a vacation documentary about it. And they actually showed things about korea you did know or you absolutely didn't know. It was kinda inspiring. It even made me wanna go there but before that I need to be done with school and have a job ;)
I did shoot most of the show, but the only stuff edited out was shaky transitions/pans, and parts that were poorly lit. A whole section of the show involves acrobats that are spotlighted and it didn't make for very interesting video (spectacular to watch though). The 3 video parts that I have on here are most of the show though.
As I understand it, they do usually have "mass games" (mass gymnastics, marching, etc) performances on 4/15 and other nationally significant dates. The "Arirang" mass games are a yearly (most years, that is) performance, usually in July/August time frame, and usually with nightly performances for somewhere around a month total. Anything with the DPRK though should have fine print like purchasing a mutual fund "past performance is not a guarantee of future results" lol
@Ketafol: I would like to ask you some questions about your trip in North Korea. What's the total amount of money needed for a week trip about? Did you have any problemof sort? How is the food? What documents do you need? Thank you for your attention
I'm visiting the DPRK soon - what grade seats did you have for the mass games? Would you advise paying more for the 150Euro seats, than the 80 euro seats? Thanks
I was there the following month....beautiful performance, and I loved my trip to the DPRK. I agree that we need as much contact as possible with the people of the DPRK. It will only help them realize that Americans as a people do not wish them ill. By the way, current estimates in the DPRK indicate that 5% of the people are malnourished, compared with 17% overall in Asia.
The beginning is filmed quite good, but what happens on the 6:48 - you have missed out the most vivid portion of the show! :(( did the battery let you down to film that moment?
@DOLCEVITA20000 Thanks.... I was using an Olympus PEN (still camera) with manual zoom which unfortunately looked very bad and dizzying whenever I zoomed in or out. I basically trimmed most of the zooms which sometimes occurred at unfortunate spots. I can't attest much to my video skills, but this turned out better than most vacation video I've shot =) I've at least not had family & friends tell me they need to take motion sickness medication to watch, so I'd call that a success!
Wow that is amazing! I wouldn't doubt you, since you were there, but aren't the Arirang Games supposed to happen during Arirang Festival, which is on the 15th of April, to celebrate Kim Il-Sung's birthday? That's just according to Wikipedia, though, so what would I know? :)
I know beauty when I see it and this show is beautiful in so many ways. This show is not the product of slave labor or a group of people trained to dance in such unison with guns to their head. This show is spectacular because the participants love and take pride in what they are doing. Would they still do so if the DPRK became open to the west? I can not say. What I can say however is due credit should be given when credit is due. This is so artistically beautiful...
@Lemmetry1234 Hahaha! Right, that hard currency isn't going straight into the pockets of the nomenklatura, it's being used for food and housing! Give me a break.
I really want to visit NK on my Chinese passport and see this before I get American citizenship. As I understand it, Chinese tour groups have much more leeway than groups from other countries. Nice video!
@Truszek1987 We actually saw it twice in the week we were there. The second time I just took a few stills and mostly just enjoyed the show. It really is incredible though, focusing on the performance in one area (like a part of the field) and you miss the backdrop, or the aerial performers. NK is the only place on earth that you could put together a performance like this.
+gallantrycross It's the Mass Games, it's a thing they do in the DPRK. I believe that the aim is to all be in perfect synchronization, and to tell the story of the founding of the DPRK and such. Most of the performers are from the civilian population of North Korea. Minus, obviously, the military marching band. One may find more information here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang_Festival
@iwillhityouback I think the rules on what you can/can't take pictures/video of are very dependent on the guides you're with and their comfort level. We met some people who had really strict guides who always seemed very rigid and robotic. I feel really lucky to have had guides who showed a genuine human side to us at times. The "rules" seem more about appearances than actual rules, and really do depend on the guides.
I hope the mass games stick around even after a reunification (or the lack thereof). Disregarding politics, the state of the world and DPRK, this is magnificent. Take out the crazy cult of personality politics and this is the most stunning thing ever, hands down. It's a shame it can only be enjoyed by a handful of tourists and officials and not the entire world...
Puts the US Army All-American Marching Band and the British Royal Tournament to shame. I don't see how anyone can not think this show amazing or press the dislike button for this.
Chris Sykes says who...a mental slave like you. i think i will enjoy the show of patriotism and courage. north korea has to endure its almost complete destruction at the hands of the occupying force of the south part of the country. 3 million people genocided was the price for their soverignty during the past war. They are not bending in four legs like the ones who critizing them.
@kayper54 I agree with all of that, except for the last part. My wife and I definitely maintained a humble and respectful attitude, and tread carefully on some topics, understanding we're dealing with messengers there's no benefit to anyone being accusatory or confrontational. We had a great visit and our guides definitely went out of their way to accommodate us. That being said, we're both Americans. I think being American actually was a conversation starter in a lot of places in a good way.
There have been periods in the past in which Americans were not permitted into DPRK, but for a number of years now they have allowed Americans in. My wife and I both being American, I can tell you we had no problem whatsoever getting official tourist visas and spending eight days touring North Korea The only groups that will have problems visiting are: Journalists (Any nationality, only with special permission), and South Koreans. South Koreans are completely prohibited.
I appreciate your opinion on this, but you should know that every westerner that has visited the DPRK has heard this and considered it. The other side of course is that western tourists are the only exposure many citizens get to outsiders, and it provides a limited opportunity to counter the propaganda that they've been raised on. That may be why the US State Dept takes a decidedly ambivalent tone in their recommendations to U.S. citizens and why there aren't restrictions on visiting like Cuba.
Es tan increible que da miedo. 100 mil bailarines y gimnastas en escena. Según, la mayoria dedicara el resto de su vida a la practica y perfeccionamiento de dicho festival que celebra el cumpleaños de Kim Il-sung. Esto es Korea del Norte.
The tiny numbers of Western tourists paraded in front of the North Korean elite in Pyongyang doesn't COUNTER their propaganda, it reinforces it. How many times did you bow at the feet of a likeness of Kim Il Sung whilst you were there?
+dulette1 Same. And it's got something to do with one of two things. 1) The idea behind how much effort has to go in to something like this is almost completely unnatural, gives off the impression of the authoritarian state. 2) The design of the place, freaky cartoony propaganda that you wouldn't find anywhere else. There's something mystical about the place, but I think it's best to stay away.
Thanks for your last few comments, they really added some depth to your argument. You definitely provided some helpful insight to viewers on the type of people that hold fast to your sort of insular approach to the world. And man oh man, you really are a reactionary troll :-) lol
Not sure what your goal is trolling TH-cam comments, but you sound pretty comfortable on your high horse. My suggestion to you would be to not visit DPRK. Not everyone agrees with your position though, including the US State Dept. I hope you apply the same absolutist standards to all your consumer transactions.... Clothing, cars, groceries.
Can you imagine what this would cost to produce in a 1st world country?The performers practice daily for hours, for an entire year. They number over 100,000. At minimum wage, that would be...?? There is nothing like it in the world, how could there be? When this fascist state is toppled (and surely it will be),the world will never see anything like it again.It's an awe-inspiring production that I would love to witness, if only because it's an impossible mission in any other place on the planet.
@ce sil I don't watch TV and am well aware of the current state of war that exists between North and South (or more accurately the state of war the North relishes in while the South roll their eyes and give them food to shut up). I don't see your point.
Thank you. Maybe BigBowl should boycott Google and TH-cam too after Eric Schmidt's friendly visit there. I bet he bowed at the monuments just like everyone else.
bigbowlowrong, if u believe in sam is because u r watching to much TV. Use internet to get more information. The Korean War is not over. No peace treaty was ever signed. The fighting ended in 1953, but only an armistice was signed, a temporary measure to end the conflict. Fighting can resume at any time. Dont follow propaganda, get information, is good for tour health.
@ketafol It may also have to do with how the guests behave. If you go in with a humble and respectful spirit and behave like a "guest" ought to, that may encourage the guides relax a little. From what little I've seen just on TH-cam, they can very quickly read your intentions. If you go in with an arrogant and superior attitude, you're less likely to be treated kindly. (And it probably helps to NOT be American. ;) )
such discipline...when can you unite or make 40.000 americans work so well together?? Probably when the media says: let's attack Iran because we are the best ppl in the world!
Dude...torturing, starving and killing your own people cost nothing. That is their problem, they have too little money and resources. The thing that cost money, is caring for them. Feeding them, giving them good homes and so on.
You're right that the amount of money is small. I'm sure that Nazi Germany was a fascinating place too though, would you be comfortable going there if it 'only' a small amount of money you gave the Third Reich? I wouldn't.
Just the product of the abuse. Too sad to see those childrens being slaves to the dictator, forced to exercise in extremely terrible conditions to put on this amazing yet scary show.
Weaponsofcreativity mental slaves think they know and display their ignorant comments without even thinking about and pretend all have to agree. read about north korea and its struggles before vomiting your nonsense.
Well thats your opinion mate. I see this movement as a cool thing to watch, but if you analize North Korea and the repression of its Dictatorial regime you will probably see that making their people do this kind of things just to "show off" makes no sense (at least thats my opinion). Cheers.
lolz @ 'reactionary' ....settle down there tiger. And unless you're a defector, guaranteeing that you know more about an entire country of people.... coming from a person so adamantly opposed to even visiting there.... strains credulity just a tad.
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i loved this thank you so much for the great quality best of all videos i have seen i need it for a report and i gave yall credit
Completely amazing, I can't stop watching it~
I wondered the same thing.... I'm pretty sure they bring in new stacks to flip through during each transition. One of our guides said he was part of the show when he was in high school as one of the guys that do all the crazy ring tossing.
I was there last year during the summer and the show is still as amazing as ever :) will definitely go back again
To show your Phone and other Stuff, that a North Korean never will own?
***** north korean own mobile phones :o what are u talking ?
edit: They have even internet connection, TV and all that crap.
(sry for bad english)
CopyKid thank you
why would you go again? what is so great about this enormous abuse? and yes, they have internet connection, but they can't reach other countries, internet is limited for North-Korea and basically used only for e-mails and websites about the regime.
@superhaz17: I definitely recommend the 150 euro over the 80. We saw the show twice and had those seats. The 80 euro seats are off center and regular stadium bucket seats with no table in front of you. 150 euro are center with a large table top (can use cam with small tripod) large padded seats, and are spaced so the people in closer rows don't block even if they stand up. The 300 euro seats are totally not worth it though, basically they're the same but closer, which isn't really a benefit for
:) I saw a little bid off this Mass game in a travel program for the Netherlands. They where kinda allowed to go there so they got the chance to make a vacation documentary about it. And they actually showed things about korea you did know or you absolutely didn't know. It was kinda inspiring. It even made me wanna go there but before that I need to be done with school and have a job ;)
I did shoot most of the show, but the only stuff edited out was shaky transitions/pans, and parts that were poorly lit. A whole section of the show involves acrobats that are spotlighted and it didn't make for very interesting video (spectacular to watch though). The 3 video parts that I have on here are most of the show though.
Wow this is a sight to behold! I wish I could see it in person
As I understand it, they do usually have "mass games" (mass gymnastics, marching, etc) performances on 4/15 and other nationally significant dates. The "Arirang" mass games are a yearly (most years, that is) performance, usually in July/August time frame, and usually with nightly performances for somewhere around a month total. Anything with the DPRK though should have fine print like purchasing a mutual fund "past performance is not a guarantee of future results" lol
@Ketafol: I would like to ask you some questions about your trip in North Korea. What's the total amount of money needed for a week trip about? Did you have any problemof sort? How is the food? What documents do you need?
Thank you for your attention
I'm visiting the DPRK soon - what grade seats did you have for the mass games? Would you advise paying more for the 150Euro seats, than the 80 euro seats? Thanks
I was there the following month....beautiful performance, and I loved my trip to the DPRK. I agree that we need as much contact as possible with the people of the DPRK. It will only help them realize that Americans as a people do not wish them ill. By the way, current estimates in the DPRK indicate that 5% of the people are malnourished, compared with 17% overall in Asia.
The beginning is filmed quite good, but what happens on the 6:48 - you have missed out the most vivid portion of the show! :(( did the battery let you down to film that moment?
Anyone know if the music at 11:49 is a march or something? Sounds familiar to me for some reason.
Oh, this is fabulous!
Here, have my like Curtis, you deserve it!
@DOLCEVITA20000 Thanks.... I was using an Olympus PEN (still camera) with manual zoom which unfortunately looked very bad and dizzying whenever I zoomed in or out. I basically trimmed most of the zooms which sometimes occurred at unfortunate spots. I can't attest much to my video skills, but this turned out better than most vacation video I've shot =) I've at least not had family & friends tell me they need to take motion sickness medication to watch, so I'd call that a success!
Wow that is amazing! I wouldn't doubt you, since you were there, but aren't the Arirang Games supposed to happen during Arirang Festival, which is on the 15th of April, to celebrate Kim Il-Sung's birthday? That's just according to Wikipedia, though, so what would I know? :)
I know beauty when I see it and this show is beautiful in so many ways. This show is not the product of slave labor or a group of people trained to dance in such unison with guns to their head. This show is spectacular because the participants love and take pride in what they are doing. Would they still do so if the DPRK became open to the west? I can not say. What I can say however is due credit should be given when credit is due. This is so artistically beautiful...
were can i buy this human-screnn?
@Lemmetry1234 Hahaha! Right, that hard currency isn't going straight into the pockets of the nomenklatura, it's being used for food and housing! Give me a break.
I really want to visit NK on my Chinese passport and see this before I get American citizenship. As I understand it, Chinese tour groups have much more leeway than groups from other countries.
Nice video!
@Truszek1987 We actually saw it twice in the week we were there. The second time I just took a few stills and mostly just enjoyed the show. It really is incredible though, focusing on the performance in one area (like a part of the field) and you miss the backdrop, or the aerial performers. NK is the only place on earth that you could put together a performance like this.
wow! now that is some high definition widescreen!
Is this half time at the Super Bowl?
+gallantrycross It's the Mass Games, it's a thing they do in the DPRK. I believe that the aim is to all be in perfect synchronization, and to tell the story of the founding of the DPRK and such. Most of the performers are from the civilian population of North Korea. Minus, obviously, the military marching band. One may find more information here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang_Festival
According to Wikipedia, the signs are rather books with 170 pages.
The summer Olympics of 1936 were also quite impressive. The stadium built for them could seat 100k. Just saying.
@iwillhityouback I think the rules on what you can/can't take pictures/video of are very dependent on the guides you're with and their comfort level. We met some people who had really strict guides who always seemed very rigid and robotic. I feel really lucky to have had guides who showed a genuine human side to us at times. The "rules" seem more about appearances than actual rules, and really do depend on the guides.
how did u get in!!!
kai89tracid probably bought tickets
I hope the mass games stick around even after a reunification (or the lack thereof). Disregarding politics, the state of the world and DPRK, this is magnificent. Take out the crazy cult of personality politics and this is the most stunning thing ever, hands down. It's a shame it can only be enjoyed by a handful of tourists and officials and not the entire world...
the stadium is empty........
The Great Leader Stadium is the largest in the world. Not easy to fill it.
HesseJamez
especially when everyone is poor
+Sasori Sama The stadium has never been full
Misantropyfanatic
There's always enough money to praise the Supreme Leader!
Puts the US Army All-American Marching Band and the British Royal Tournament to shame. I don't see how anyone can not think this show amazing or press the dislike button for this.
there's nothing amazing into propaganda and mass slavery...
Chris Sykes says who...a mental slave like you. i think i will enjoy the show of patriotism and courage. north korea has to endure its almost complete destruction at the hands of the occupying force of the south part of the country. 3 million people genocided was the price for their soverignty during the past war. They are not bending in four legs like the ones who critizing them.
1:10 Those are kids?
Grandioso.
whitesaxophone questi ragazzi sono sfruttati! Vai a fare delle ricerche correlate! 😉
@kayper54 I agree with all of that, except for the last part. My wife and I definitely maintained a humble and respectful attitude, and tread carefully on some topics, understanding we're dealing with messengers there's no benefit to anyone being accusatory or confrontational. We had a great visit and our guides definitely went out of their way to accommodate us. That being said, we're both Americans. I think being American actually was a conversation starter in a lot of places in a good way.
This is incredible
Fantastico.
The human screen board!! That kind of dedication should be put to earning money.
This is what happens in the comment box when there is no reply section.
There have been periods in the past in which Americans were not permitted into DPRK, but for a number of years now they have allowed Americans in. My wife and I both being American, I can tell you we had no problem whatsoever getting official tourist visas and spending eight days touring North Korea
The only groups that will have problems visiting are: Journalists (Any nationality, only with special permission), and South Koreans. South Koreans are completely prohibited.
5:45 ~ 6:20 fucking goosebumps
I wish they would broadcast this internationally so as to not waste their performance to only a few people.
I appreciate your opinion on this, but you should know that every westerner that has visited the DPRK has heard this and considered it. The other side of course is that western tourists are the only exposure many citizens get to outsiders, and it provides a limited opportunity to counter the propaganda that they've been raised on. That may be why the US State Dept takes a decidedly ambivalent tone in their recommendations to U.S. citizens and why there aren't restrictions on visiting like Cuba.
Koreans are very good at these little dextrous tasks to do with timing and actions. Their pedigree in competitve gaming backs this up.
+Parasmunt you're not saying a bad thing but it's kind of racist. watch out with what you say
Gotta love the biggest stadium in the world, 130,000.
04:04 - 04:24 Dude that is just mindblowing
I know that. I was replying sarcastically to a previous post.
So if one of those people makes a mistake, do they get shot? XD
kpopshawol they'll probably be punished, but not killed.
It's beautiful :)
Es tan increible que da miedo. 100 mil bailarines y gimnastas en escena. Según, la mayoria dedicara el resto de su vida a la practica y perfeccionamiento de dicho festival que celebra el cumpleaños de Kim Il-sung. Esto es Korea del Norte.
Demasiado impresionante
"5,6,7,8 ...don't mess up...don't wanna die HEY! Don't mess up...don't wanna die HEY!!"
I had goosebumps around 5:50
Nice.
thank you for your video, read show more, in English
너무 잘하니까 무섭다...얼마나많은 노력을 했을것이며 그에 대한 정당한 지불을 국가에서 해줬을지 의문이고....대단하면서도 불쌍..
This is totally amazing, the performance of Olympics Beijing was nothing compared to this @.@
The tiny numbers of Western tourists paraded in front of the North Korean elite in Pyongyang doesn't COUNTER their propaganda, it reinforces it. How many times did you bow at the feet of a likeness of Kim Il Sung whilst you were there?
How is this at all scary?
Punk Is dad those children are basically slaves.
HUMAN SCREEN..because the video in a big screen is too mainstream..
this scares the hell out of me don't know why ....!
Maybe because this ungodly spectacle was put together by one of the poorest countries on the face of the earth.
Adam Hodgkinson yes, it also brings back images of a certain army in 1936 ...
+dulette1 Same. And it's got something to do with one of two things.
1) The idea behind how much effort has to go in to something like this is almost completely unnatural, gives off the impression of the authoritarian state.
2) The design of the place, freaky cartoony propaganda that you wouldn't find anywhere else.
There's something mystical about the place, but I think it's best to stay away.
yep agreed !
Yes, possibly it is all going to the "best and brightest" ones, but how is that making it any worse for the NK people?
Thanks for your last few comments, they really added some depth to your argument. You definitely provided some helpful insight to viewers on the type of people that hold fast to your sort of insular approach to the world.
And man oh man, you really are a reactionary troll :-) lol
Not sure what your goal is trolling TH-cam comments, but you sound pretty comfortable on your high horse. My suggestion to you would be to not visit DPRK. Not everyone agrees with your position though, including the US State Dept.
I hope you apply the same absolutist standards to all your consumer transactions.... Clothing, cars, groceries.
Can you imagine what this would cost to produce in a 1st world country?The performers practice daily for hours, for an entire year. They number over 100,000. At minimum wage, that would be...?? There is nothing like it in the world, how could there be? When this fascist state is toppled (and surely it will be),the world will never see anything like it again.It's an awe-inspiring production that I would love to witness, if only because it's an impossible mission in any other place on the planet.
In america you're free... if you are a lucky one...
쩐다
this is why koreans rock - we've got skillz!
This is why we need to visit north korea.
@ce sil I don't watch TV and am well aware of the current state of war that exists between North and South (or more accurately the state of war the North relishes in while the South roll their eyes and give them food to shut up). I don't see your point.
Thank you. Maybe BigBowl should boycott Google and TH-cam too after Eric Schmidt's friendly visit there. I bet he bowed at the monuments just like everyone else.
THEY MUST DO A HARLEM SHAKE!!! Think how awesome...
bigbowlowrong, if u believe in sam is because u r watching to much TV. Use internet to get more information. The Korean War is not over. No peace treaty was ever signed.
The fighting ended in 1953, but only an armistice was signed, a temporary measure to end the conflict. Fighting can resume at any time. Dont follow propaganda, get information, is good for tour health.
So that's what they've been doing for the past 60 years!
Starving human pixels.... so uplifting ehhh?
Terrifying
@ketafol It may also have to do with how the guests behave. If you go in with a humble and respectful spirit and behave like a "guest" ought to, that may encourage the guides relax a little. From what little I've seen just on TH-cam, they can very quickly read your intentions. If you go in with an arrogant and superior attitude, you're less likely to be treated kindly. (And it probably helps to NOT be American. ;) )
정은이 교육잘시켰네
4:57 I was so scared she had fucked up
such discipline...when can you unite or make 40.000 americans work so well together??
Probably when the media says: let's attack Iran because we are the best ppl in the world!
Paravantos discipline? slavery!
human screen is impressive, but i bet they torture the kids holding the signs, and if you mess up, TO THE DUNGEON
Dude...torturing, starving and killing your own people cost nothing. That is their problem, they have too little money and resources. The thing that cost money, is caring for them. Feeding them, giving them good homes and so on.
I wonder,
Does anyone get's shot if he/she screws up?
I think they get no food for a week. Oh, wait.
ㅅㅂ 그냥 미역국이나 말아서 주고말아야지 저걸 돈으로 환산하면 쌀이 몇가마니야
ugh i want to be impressed but just the sheer amount of whack that goes on to do this saddens me deeply :(
You're right that the amount of money is small. I'm sure that Nazi Germany was a fascinating place too though, would you be comfortable going there if it 'only' a small amount of money you gave the Third Reich? I wouldn't.
잘도 이런 미친짓을!
these pixels look like little men
Just the product of the abuse. Too sad to see those childrens being slaves to the dictator, forced to exercise in extremely terrible conditions to put on this amazing yet scary show.
Weaponsofcreativity mental slaves think they know and display their ignorant comments without even thinking about and pretend all have to agree. read about north korea and its struggles before vomiting your nonsense.
Robots.
This is scary. This is nonsense. Beautifull, but NONSENSE.
Kade your comment is complete non-sense.
Well thats your opinion mate. I see this movement as a cool thing to watch, but if you analize North Korea and the repression of its Dictatorial regime you will probably see that making their people do this kind of things just to "show off" makes no sense (at least thats my opinion). Cheers.
아름답고 멋진것이 아나라 섬찟하여 소름이 돗는다 탈북자 하는말이 저렇게 하기까지 엄청걸리고 빠질수도 화장실도 갈수없어 먹지도 못하고 그자리나 옷에 싸서 지린내가 진동한다고 한다 북한독재 집단이 아니면 못할것이다. 김정일이 뒤졌을때 자식죽은듯 광분하는 모습에 미친집단 같았는데 잘도 죽었다는 뜻이길 바란다 불쌍하고 가엾은 북한주민들 .....
Long live North Korea that the country should wonder
Juan Sarmiento 😍
VIVA COREA DEL NORTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lolz @ 'reactionary' ....settle down there tiger.
And unless you're a defector, guaranteeing that you know more about an entire country of people.... coming from a person so adamantly opposed to even visiting there.... strains credulity just a tad.