I kept saying sorcery and magic for whatever reason, I meant blade and magic, or blade and sorcery but my brain fried, apologies! At least in the subtitles it says the right thing ^^'
Another great video but, I have a question. Aren't paladins already a sorcery and blade class? They are great tanks with healing magic that only works at close range, all the magic spells that power-up their melee attacks (plus a limited but nice selection of control spells), and also smite, which literally channels magic to make physical attacks stronger. Why don't they qualify?
I had this idea for a class called mystic knights they mainly use enchantment spells and area of effect spells that center around the caster they have a higher armor class than a wizard since they are trained for medium and heavy armor but the heavier the armor the higher the roll for consintration will be since they have to balance mental and physical exhaustion and higher level mystic knights can conjure weapons made of pure magic I'm still in the process of making the subclasses and higher levels. For anyone who's interested, find the game called Dragons Dogma, and it's similar to the name sake of one of the classes in the game
I thought it was cute. What's your best spell blade build or class? 😢I really want one. I went, mostly for flavor war wizard with blades. Not optimal, strong breezes are dangerous 😂 she was really cool tho 😊
@@Garbageday666 she's not really a monk though, not in terms of the 5E class. She doesnt engage in unarmed combat or have high mobility. She is of a monk order though, but that would be more her background. I could see her being a Divine Soul Sorcerer or Light domain Cleric.
They're still cool in use too. As long as you accept that you're not being super optimal as a wizard, you can still function as a better martial than all the martial classes in the game with the ac buff, shield spell, and cantrip extra attack.
@@glaba24 my favorite spell when I play bladesinger is tenser's transformation, steel wind strike, etc. All the spells you wouldn't cast normally... Unless you are not afraid to be up close and personal, swinging away and still being able to use spell slots for Song of Defense. And then there's the Elven Accuracy + Tenser's synergy...
@@nickname8619Those are spells you wouldn't cast normally? I used both of them on my only wizard that got high enough in level, which was a divination wizard.
There is also Swords Bard, but it does suffer from some of these problems too. The best idea I can think of is probably a Hexblade paired with Bladesinger. Especially if you have the Warcaster feat
I have a College of Swords Bard that I put two levels of fighter in so I could get action surge, it allows me to have a bit more versatility for if I need to cast and attack on the same turn, even if it's not something I can do each turn.
Meanwhile the PF2E Magus is just so elegant and rad dang. The whole idea of “if I hit you with my strike, I also hit you with magic Spell attack” is awesome. And then the idea of recharging it with another signature Strike is just I can’t even so good
@@Leivve There is nothing in the 3 action system that supports this playstyle. You can easily do something like that in 5e as well, they are just afraid to do it because of the delicate action economy. I bet homebrewers have already taken care of that. But I am not interested enough to research it. I have created so much 5e homebrew that I know it's easily doable though. In addition, the Bladesinger can support this playstyle, it is just if you want to min/max and meta your playstyle it is to your best interests to play as a normal wizard (from a distance). However, if you care about sticking to a theme and not optimisation then you are really fine with playing like a Magus does on melee range. DnD will always be better than PF in every single way. Sorry.
Man, the more I hear about this stuff, the more excited I get for my own system's reception. "Learn from the mistakes of others" is totally a viable information gathering tactic.
They need a class that doesn't punish you for wanting to do magic and martials, like the hexblade where you can attack with your spellcasting ability. Then you also need to be instivized to use both in combat. Something like, if you successfully cast a spell, then tour next attack has bonus damage
other idea: very limited spell slots, but you can gain them in combat through skills and abilities using your melee weapon. so you're fighting as a martial not to deal the big damage, but to enable the strength and versatility of your spells. the core issue with anything that takes a bit of half to merge spell casting with weapon fighting is that you'll be limited by action economy regardless. so having a class who can choose to be a worse caster or a worse fighter is completely pointless. any class just has to answer 2 questions: why pick your class over any other? why pick any other class over your class? balance doesn't matter, as long as there's a real serious point to play a class and this class does not overshadow another class, some people will play and enjoy it.
Pathfinder 2e Magus lets you load spells into weapon attacks and having them both hit with the same roll and then gives you other effects on top of that
Honestly they did a great job in 4e with the Swordmage. The class had a fantastic mix of magic that let them protect allies, punish enemies, and great mobility. Ton of fun to play
3e dnd had a class in one of the supplemental books called battle mage. They were mages constantly training in heavy armor so that they could cast spells while armored
3.5E Also had the Spell Sword and the Eldritch Knight prestige classes. My first ever character when I was 14 in 2003 started as a fighter that dual-wielded bastard swords, and later took levels in wizard to get those classes. Haven't played 3.5 since before I left high school, though, so I'm not even sure if we were playing correctly, but those were good times.
I think that's just a language comprehension thing. He likely meant "since the very beginning *of* 5e" rather than *in* 5e Really though they have not successfully been able to create a spell sword that feels good
Best way I've seen it done is a "Woundmancer". We modified most of the spells to fit into the theme, essentially the Woundmancer would build up stacks onto opponents they harm with their melee weapon and then their spells would cast on the wounds themselves. It made things interesting because the damage or effects of most spells scaled with the wound stacks they inflicted on their target before the cast. Some spells imbued the blade to autocast spells onto a target if their wound stacks hit a certain threshold, like inflicting chill touch when wounds hit 2. We did that because players tended to focus on just spells or just melee so we wanted to make magic feel a little more effortless
And that's why I homebrewed a proper Battlemage class - an intelligence half-caster with a balanced (I think) way to store a spell in their weapon and unleash it on attack. Also a subclass for each school of magic
I homebrewed a sorcerer that pumped its spells into its weapon and the spells would go off on a hit with that weapon. The tradeoffs were it limited attacks if you did it in one turn, like a rogue with sneak attack, and there were very few ways to buff ac and hp. So I created a glass cannon fighter which I thought was pretty cool and actually worked very well.
- Whenever you cast a spell that targets a creature, add 1d4 + spell level to your damage roll on your next melee attack against that creature. This effect stacks. - Whenever you successfully attack a creature with a melee attack, you may disengage as a bonus action.
Or people could just be a Paladin. Often times, they routinely cast spells that boost their upcoming attacks (especially if you count Divine Smite as a spell, which it basically is) or they straight up cast spells alongside their attacks.
Divine smite is better than a spell cause its a class ability not a spell so its better as it doesn't take a action or bonus action and can apply AFTER the hit.
@@_The_Dumbass_ i feel people forget because they get pigeonholed into righteous divine-magic warrior. 5e did a good job in the phb establishing that you dont need to worship a god to be a paladin, differentiating them from a cleric
I really love the rune knight, not really mechanically a spell blade,but appeal to the flavor of a character that dabs on the arcane on some way and kick ass on the field
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I remember having to go through a ton of versions for my Spellsword homebrew class to warrent the use of both melee and magic. Got it eventually and it's been my favorite hb class of mine since.
I think baldurs gate has the perfect sword and sorcery class with the changes they made to pact of the blade. They made it so you can use your charisma for attacks and damage like the hexblade and can use any weapon as your pact weapon. This opens up so much versatility, you can play the fiend to get powerful fire spells and temp hp on kills, the great old one for fear on crits and imposed disadvantage as a reaction, or invisibility and other trickery with the archfey. It feels great to play, especially as a gith to get misty step and medium armor for extra tankiness and escapes
I had to watch this video twice because i thought I saw you tealing a clip from She-ra for a brief second. It turns out you did, i was not expecting that.
Kind of like how shotguns are super close range in games, they do it to balance things out, if the uber tanky hard to kill character also does crazy burst, why wouldn't everybody just play that. A real shotgun can hit targets surprisingly far away and still be effective, a real tank can blow holes through fucking anything while being able to "tank" just about everything thrown at it. D&D famously struggle with having a class that can decently play as both a blaster mage and a martial fighter at the same time, they are different playstyles, but what D&D doesn't do is limit your creativity and flavor. A hexblade warlock is generally better off just throwing eldritch blasts instead of hitting things with their blade, but combining bladesinger with hexblade allows you to do both. A hexblade with the warcaster feat can easily blast away with eldritch blast all game in melee combat and simply flavor that attack as a combination of bladework and blasts of energy.
Thus why I love the Pathfinder and the Magus class. Getting to not only cast spells and attack in the same turn (due to the 3-Point Action Point system, as opposed to 5e’s set types of actions per turn… ie main action, bonus action, etc), not to mention the Magus’s Spellstrike ability that lets them cast a 1 or 2 action spell through their weapon’s attack (and even through unarmed attacks in 2e) Then you have Arcane Cascade, that lets you power up follow-up attacks, dealing further damage on your attacks based on your specialisation with the weapon you’re using. PF2e is definitely a more offensive fighter when it comes to being a Spellblade style character.
I had a campaign with a pair that found an effective way to do this. One fighter and one wizard. The wizard would create magic circles and symbols on the fighters armor and sword. Like a fireball spell attached to a shield for example. Once the enemy impacts the shield the spell would go off. I would allow this because one it took some prep time, so it prevented the party from jumping into battles Leon Jenkins style and it was fun to play out.
I feel like the Magus from Pathfinder does this well, letting you cast spells by hitting people with your sword. Would be pretty broken in 5e so I dunno how you'd translate that over
You're super right. I frickin LOVE the feel of playing a Magus and using Spell Strike, but I dunno if 5e could replicated it without breaking the game. Maybe if the were a half caster, with some limitations, but even then it's taking away important apsects of the existing class. The most Magus build I can think of for 5e would be College of Swords Bard with a 2 level dip in Paladin for Smites. I dunno, could be fun.
I've been working on something kind of like that I've been trying to balance it like a half caster, and the casting is action-economy wise is similar to the paladin bonus action smites and the ranger subclass extra damage features So far it's a bit wordy I'm trying to make it so the spell HAS to be cast from the weapon as the big limiter
You could do something similar to how pf1e did the magus, spell combat effectively worked like 2 handed fighting except the off-hand attack is a spell. I don't know how you could balance spellstrike in 5e, maybe have it work like smite except you have to declare you're using the spell before rolling?
I created a funny melee spell character. Protector aasimar. Spore Druid with polearm master and crusher. The setup takes 2 rounds but after setting up Radiant Soul, Shillelagh, and Symbiotic Entity. You’re doing 1d8+Wis+lvl+1d6 at level 2 with only one hit. When you get polearm master you get a second hit with bonus action making it 1d4+Wis+lvl+1d6 and whenever a creature enters your range you get a free hit as a reaction. Then take crusher allows you to move enemies 5ft. Move them 5ft away. Free attack when they renter with polearm master. Add this with Druid spell list and throw down spike growth down and you’ve become a menace to all melee characters. Also if situation gets tough you can fly over spike growth as a aasimar.
I think bladesinger actually was released before the hexblade. It was in the sword coast book while hexblade was released in xanathar's Personally I have seen good things from the Pathfinder Magus class
The best thing I came up with in our campaign was a Paladin with A LOT of spell and cantrip based feats. And yeah, it first sounds stupid but when you think about it, you don’t really get damage spells and being a wizard always lets you have bad HP and AC when you’re not bladesinging. The Paladin instead comes with Heavy Armor proficiency, great damage output in melee and with the oath of redemption you get amazing utility spells. Also many feats say that you can cast the spell with your spellslots you have available, additionally to letting you cast them for free once. You can ALSO get a ring of spell storing to even increase the number of spells you have available. There are so many great things you can do with the Paladin alone to get this „Sword and Magic“ style character you wanted.
One thing I did, luckily when I rolled my stats I had pretty high stats so this worked wonderfully; Made a Drow, so proficiency with short and long swords, put my highest in int, second highest as con and dex since they were the same. Took a proficiency instead of an ability score modifier for light armor proficiency. Got my base ac up to 17 at lvl 4. Then later worked with our rogue who was working to turn dragon scales into a viable light armor/ cloak for protection. And got that ac up to 19. Along with the necromancy subclass that gave life leach, that wizard never had much trouble. Seeing as how you can always attack with the weapon in your free hand without bonuses, unless you have the feat, you can always cast a cantrip or a spell then use your bonus action for the second attack.
I’m playing a blade singer right now and a large portion of the spells I have are the summon spells from tasha’s because bladesingers also get to a bonus to concentration saves, plus warcaster to basically guarantee I pass my concentration in battle. So it’s always me bladedancing with a spirit of some kind lol.
I wrote a Sorcerer subclass for one of my settings that is designed as a spellblade, lorewise being the descendants of Hexblade Warlocks or cursed/sentient weapon wielders. They have features like gaining temporary hit points whenever they make a melee spell attack (or spell melee weapon attack) and being able to ‘attune’ to a master, gaining the ability to use some of their master’s statistics and being able to give the aforementioned temporary hit points to their master instead of themselves.
I mean that comes down to the problem of how DND is designed. Magic is so much more versatile than sword play and in the higher levels is very hard without magic items or some other thing to out damage a magic user. That's why I do like bladesinger wizard. With 3 lvls of fighter or artificer. That's the closest you can get.
The best option for casting and attacking sorcerer with quickened spell. If you want more martial capability, you can combine it with Hexblade, Fighter, or Paladin. Action Surge and Quickened Spell are the best features for spellswords, followed by Bladesingers Extra Attack.
That's precisely how the original bladesinger multiclass from AD&D was intended to be implemented. Their proficiency with a blade and armor was intended to be mostly defensive, parrying incoming attacks with bladesong while blasting away with their spells.
Funny thing D&D did it with the Dusk Blade in 3.5 which happened 3 years before pathfinder was even a thing. The thing is that 5e is so simple that mixing the two would break the base game.
@@WhyYouMadBoi Ah, yes, I had forgotten about the duskblade, mostly on account that D&D itself seems to have forgotten about in in a desperate bid to try to keep making inferior versions of it that work at cross purposes and are basically useless (Eldritch Knight, and your "we stopped using 4th level magic 5 dungeons ago" I'm looking at you). In contrast, the Magus is a staple, literally iconic class for Pathfinder 1 and 2. As for break the game? 5e has two cantrips whose entire thing is basically a poor-man's version of spellstrike/arcane channeling, and the game is fundamentally broken anyway. I give you exhibit A: the cleric, where wizards seems to have thrown up their hands and gone "right, we know we have a CoDzilla problem, but trying to fix it would be too much work. So let's just make this self-healing class that gets its subclass at the start of the game unlike everyone else, is proficient in all weapons and armor, and can add 1d4 to every single skill check it or its allies can ever make an infinite number of times a day.... oh yeah, and they can also obliterate an *entire castle* at level 5 without even having to call on their deity for aid... or purge an entire army from the field." (And what I just described is a *Tempest Cleric* which is acknowledged as one of the *less* powerful subclasses). Or the Hexadin Sorcerer, a class that with 2 levels in Paladin and Hexblade, turns into a heavy armor weilding, all-weapon proficient tank with access to 9th level magic and who is reliant on a single attribute for everything it does. All that to say: the game is already broken. That is no excuse. XD
@@andrewgause6971 Yeah you basically saying give clerics extra attack and subclasses that mixes both arcane and martial ability. All the way to 9th level. At the moment to get that you need to multiclass at least and you miss out on alot.
@@WhyYouMadBoi Indeed. Granted. With a single magic item and one feat (arcane adept, or initiate, whichever one it is that let's you pick cantrips up from other classss), I can give a cleric an extra attack that will do something like 6d8 at a minimum by level 11. More of the enemy attempts to move away from the divine murder machine.
best way to play a spellblade is to run a hexblade warlock and a sorcerer multiclass and use quickened spell to cast haste on yourself. cast a spell and wack enemes with your sword in the same turn. use the haste action to spellcast because i think it only allows you to attack once even if you have multiattack. use your next bonus action to cast hexblade's curse and the enemy is gonna die
My favorite kind of character to make is "squishy caster turned party tank". I was gonna make my next one a bladesinger, but my last one who could sorta take some hits was a fiendish warlock who'd kill things fast enough they'd never run out of temp hp. Only fell a couple times through the entire campaign, which saw 6 character deaths.
From what I've seen from the Dragons podcast, Crawford basically stated that EK is only for those people who don't wanna deal with multiclassing. It's designed to be a fighter wizard despite a multiclass just being better.
That's why I like the Magus in Pathfinder, where you can use a full attack to cast and attack with only a -2 penalty on the attack. And it's not limited to cantrips.
As someone working on a custom sub class for sorcerers, called the armory sorcerer, it’s interesting to see where things have failed and succeeded. I definitely want to make a video explaining how it works when I get it fully fleshed out. At the moment I have level caps for one aspect, being the blessing or curse done by the gods at the birth of the hero. This allows them 3 items that they can draw from their hands, starting at level 5 they can only call one item, and only for an hour. This increases to 2 at level 10, and all 3 at level 15, with a slight increase in allotted time for the day. At level 20 they can used them almost indefinitely, with a limit of 12 hours of use. And definitely keep track of that time you have left, because once it runs out you will start taking damage. They can wear armor and can have weapon proficiencies, though this can be limited by the DM. The DM also has to approve the items, meaning my character who I’ve already built with this class will likely never get to see the light of day as a pc… as he has 3 op weapons…
Thats what i love about Mage, specially the akashic brotherhood tradition(similar to clan of sorts)... so much freedom for all kinds of martial/athletics magics possible... just hard making cool ones coincidental
I once played a Spellblade Vampire in an Evil campaign set in the 'Doomed Forgotten Realms' system, and absolutely I was just so damn tanky I was outperforming the Dwarf Revenant Cleric in terms of AC and health regen. Absolutely glorious campaign though.
It’s probably not the “blade swinging spellcaster” that people imagine when thinking of a spellblade, but Paladin does fit fairly well ento the idea of a character swinging spells and magic together. With the different types of smites empowering your weapon with some kind of elemental or glowing phenomena, plus plenty of other magical abilities that mix with your martial powers, it’s very solid pick for someone that wants to mix martials and magics
This is the exact reason Pathfinder made the Magus class. It is literally built around using both, letting you use your weapons to deliver touch-range spells (using your Weapon's Critical Range), or letting you Full-Attack with one hand and cast a spell with the other.
Yet there is a ton of amazing homebrew of sword + magic classes. I even made one that casts a spell on its weapon, and uses a portion of its effects when you attack.
As an eldritch knight, you get a feature at 7th level, if you cast a cantrip as an action, you can then use a weapon attack as a bonus action, so at 7th level, you can cast booming blade on a battle axe, basically doubling your damage for that attack, only to attack again as a bonus action
Spellblade archetypes are my favorite types of characters to play lately. I like to mess around with different combos of martial classes and caster classes via multi classing, even at the cost of extra feats/higher lvl spells. It's a bit unorthodox in terms of what makes a Spell"Blade" a Spellblade but I just rececently played a Gold Dragonborn Pally, OoV. Crossed it with a Dragon Sorc (red) and got both to lvl 6. By lvl 12 I had access to mirror image, shield, haste, counterspell and fireball, on top of Divine Smite, AoP and the martial prowess of a Pally. I went with a fire flavored version, but you could easily swap it for any element or a mix. One of my favorite things to do in DnD tho is find ways to stack fire resist and have my tanky spellblade wade into a group of enemies and drop fireballs at his feet. And I definitely achieved that with this build. It's also a very good Red Mage from Final Fantasy type build. Which was an OG spellblade imo. Always fun finding ways to build different classes from other games in DnD
I do love the Sword Saint Magus from Pathfinder, any spell with a touch range can be cast via your sword as the thing to touch with, using a sword hit roll instead of a magic hit roll, and adding the sword damage and any modifiers your sword has. I particularly like using vampiric touch with this, it just makes you unstoppable with how much health you can steal from enemies
My idea is a Magic Knight class that imbues magic to the blades by a technique unique to that class I like to call "Spell Blade" which will allow them to cast a bona fide spell while doing melee attacks. Ofc they would need an entire spell list of their own.
The "Shadow of the Demon Lord" system covers this from all directions- it features a base class called "Spellguard" which combines weapons and magic, a subclass "Spellbinder" that focuses on exactly what you described with "Spell Blade", and a whole list of spells that focus around a gish playstyle (from creating magic weapons to augmenting attacks) This was actually the last character I played
I made a class called the Blood Painter. Basically, it's something like a Barbarian/Sorcerer hybrid. It starts out encounters like a Barb, but it gains a sort of mana pool, calculated from the amount of damage dealt by their melee attacks, that they use to cast their spells. Self heals, AC buffs, even using the blood to summon creatures or drown enemies in it. But it always had to sway in and out of the front lines and never had the best base AC. High Risk, High Reward. Absolutely sucked against undead, though, cuz you'd end up having to use your own blood to cast spells, considering Zombies usually don't have much to spare.
"Dnd has been trying to make a good sorcery and magic class since it's very beginning in fifth edition." every single word that fell out of your face there was wrong, amazin!
I think a potential solution is to make a subclass that can cast a spell using their action and then make a melee attack with their bonus action (or make an attack with their action and a second attack with their bonus action). So they could cast fireball, move to the target, and finish them off with a sword
Pact of the blade warlock with a hexblade weapon patron is my favourite build for this idea. They were an amnesiac time. Traveller who came from a doomed future, and while seen mostly as a charismatic and senile middle aged man at first, it was later revealed I was the paladin in the party from a future where we failed. We lost. Our families burned and our friends skewered. My faith was tested and I became an oath broken paladin, sought the power for vengeance against the bbeg who became a God. Acquired a cursed blade that constantly tried to take over my mind, and was sent back in time by a rival God to ensure the bbeg would not ascend to such power. In response the bbeg went back in time as well. And because I used to be a paladin, I never took Eldritch blast, my cantrips and spells were about protecting others and enhancing my blade further. And the payoff was very satisfying when I gave my life to protect the party when the bbeg sent their past self at us early. I insisted that they retreat while I hold the line, because there is no future without them. (obviously getting my memories back prior). They tried to move past me so I used an attack of opportunity to bind them. In place, and as the party fled, I gave myself to the blade, getting cloaked in a cursed armor (armor of hades), and the last the party saw of me was a madman getting skewered, demonic laughter reverberating in their heads as the bbeg teleported away and cast fireball. The real. Fun was both of our rolls were screened (dm ruled it that if the rest of the party is not in combat they cannot see combat rolls). I actually succeeded on enough saving throws and dealt enough damage to this nerfed bbeg that instead of dying I was captured, but the party assumed I was dead since I rolled a new character at the DM's request. My tarnished warlock was used as a magical battery when he wasn't being tortured. When the party made it there, and freed my old pc with great joy in their hearts, the rogue I was playing revealed they were an assassin contracted to kill the party, and that he only tagged along thus far because there were too many witnesses until now (the party usually travelled as a detached squadron of an army, so there was constant communication with a large force prior to the final conflict) and while the rogue was gloating, I rolled a back attack on my own character and because of the advantage, hit despite my level difference inflicting a curse on him, and allowing the party the opportunity to shred him. This was a 1st to 20th level campaign that took a long time, and my warlock was only 12th level so I was going into the final boss with a massive debuff from the torture and a really low level. (I did gain a level from the encounters on the way), however I was able to somewhat compensate because I had so many spells focused on support. I would just spam debuff in the back while. Leaning on my sword for balance. When the bbeg was defeated, my timeline ceased to exist and so I walked into a bright light where my wife and kids were waiting, and embraced my death with open arms. My vengeance completed and my life redeemed. Edit: fixed some autocorrect garbage
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I kept saying sorcery and magic for whatever reason, I meant blade and magic, or blade and sorcery but my brain fried, apologies! At least in the subtitles it says the right thing ^^'
Another great video but, I have a question. Aren't paladins already a sorcery and blade class? They are great tanks with healing magic that only works at close range, all the magic spells that power-up their melee attacks (plus a limited but nice selection of control spells), and also smite, which literally channels magic to make physical attacks stronger. Why don't they qualify?
I had this idea for a class called mystic knights they mainly use enchantment spells and area of effect spells that center around the caster they have a higher armor class than a wizard since they are trained for medium and heavy armor but the heavier the armor the higher the roll for consintration will be since they have to balance mental and physical exhaustion and higher level mystic knights can conjure weapons made of pure magic I'm still in the process of making the subclasses and higher levels. For anyone who's interested, find the game called Dragons Dogma, and it's similar to the name sake of one of the classes in the game
And why bother doing a second take for your 60 sec video? That would take ages!
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I thought it was cute. What's your best spell blade build or class? 😢I really want one. I went, mostly for flavor war wizard with blades. Not optimal, strong breezes are dangerous 😂 she was really cool tho 😊
I think sorcerers should get a spell blade subclass. Imagine being able to melee and then using meta magic to cast fireball
They barely have any subclasses so I agree
I played a Sorcerer sword and spell build last year. Between quicken spell and a couple levels in fighter, it was a crazy good time
A spellblade or hexblade dip could make it possible
I want a sorcerer subclass thats almost monk y. I want to play as sypha from castlevania
@@Garbageday666 she's not really a monk though, not in terms of the 5E class. She doesnt engage in unarmed combat or have high mobility. She is of a monk order though, but that would be more her background. I could see her being a Divine Soul Sorcerer or Light domain Cleric.
This is why my favorite TTRPG class is the Pathfinder Magus. Spells go in the battle stick!
Magus has Pounce using a 2nd level spell slot. :P
Came here to say that
Was going to mention Magus. Arguably the perfect spell warrior.
You read my thoughts
Am I going to cast a spell, or strike the enemy in melee? Heck I will do both at once!
Bladesingers are really cool. At least concept wise
They're still cool in use too. As long as you accept that you're not being super optimal as a wizard, you can still function as a better martial than all the martial classes in the game with the ac buff, shield spell, and cantrip extra attack.
@@glaba24 my favorite spell when I play bladesinger is tenser's transformation, steel wind strike, etc. All the spells you wouldn't cast normally... Unless you are not afraid to be up close and personal, swinging away and still being able to use spell slots for Song of Defense.
And then there's the Elven Accuracy + Tenser's synergy...
@@nickname8619 hehehhee
@@glaba24 you're essentially a better monk lol
@@nickname8619Those are spells you wouldn't cast normally? I used both of them on my only wizard that got high enough in level, which was a divination wizard.
*Laughs in Arcane Trickster with Shadow Blade*
There is also Swords Bard, but it does suffer from some of these problems too. The best idea I can think of is probably a Hexblade paired with Bladesinger. Especially if you have the Warcaster feat
A bit MAD but manageably so.
I have a College of Swords Bard that I put two levels of fighter in so I could get action surge, it allows me to have a bit more versatility for if I need to cast and attack on the same turn, even if it's not something I can do each turn.
Best one is hex sorc paladin or just paladin sorc. Funny thing that you dont need any of these sword and sorcery subclasses to play sword and sorcery.
Paladin/Bard is also a very fun Swords and Sorcery combo.
I was surprised the bard didn't even get a mention in the vid.
Swords bard with one starting lvl in sorc
Meanwhile the PF2E Magus is just so elegant and rad dang. The whole idea of “if I hit you with my strike, I also hit you with magic Spell attack” is awesome. And then the idea of recharging it with another signature Strike is just I can’t even so good
That's the difference in design. DnD's system simply can't support something like that, while Pathfinder's 3 action system is exactly ideal for it.
@@Leivve Pathfinder is based on d&d. And even if you meant 5e, there is no reason to disallow this sort of system.
@@CallenExile I'm talking about game design.
@@Leivve I know. And there's nothing in 5e that makes the Pathfinder Magus incompatible.
@@Leivve There is nothing in the 3 action system that supports this playstyle. You can easily do something like that in 5e as well, they are just afraid to do it because of the delicate action economy. I bet homebrewers have already taken care of that. But I am not interested enough to research it. I have created so much 5e homebrew that I know it's easily doable though.
In addition, the Bladesinger can support this playstyle, it is just if you want to min/max and meta your playstyle it is to your best interests to play as a normal wizard (from a distance). However, if you care about sticking to a theme and not optimisation then you are really fine with playing like a Magus does on melee range.
DnD will always be better than PF in every single way. Sorry.
There was a dusk blade in 3.5 that I thoroughly enjoyed.
Dusk blade did gish justice
I was just looking in the comments for a Dusk Blade call out!
From 3.5 Duskblade to pf1e Magus to pf2e Magus, I love you in every universe.
Clerics: "Am I a joke to you?"
Paladins: "Am I a joke to you?"
Man, the more I hear about this stuff, the more excited I get for my own system's reception. "Learn from the mistakes of others" is totally a viable information gathering tactic.
They need a class that doesn't punish you for wanting to do magic and martials, like the hexblade where you can attack with your spellcasting ability. Then you also need to be instivized to use both in combat. Something like, if you successfully cast a spell, then tour next attack has bonus damage
other idea: very limited spell slots, but you can gain them in combat through skills and abilities using your melee weapon. so you're fighting as a martial not to deal the big damage, but to enable the strength and versatility of your spells.
the core issue with anything that takes a bit of half to merge spell casting with weapon fighting is that you'll be limited by action economy regardless. so having a class who can choose to be a worse caster or a worse fighter is completely pointless. any class just has to answer 2 questions: why pick your class over any other? why pick any other class over your class? balance doesn't matter, as long as there's a real serious point to play a class and this class does not overshadow another class, some people will play and enjoy it.
Incentivized*. Kindof a tongue twister but for writing.
3.5 Duskblade and pathfinder Magus both fulfill that criteria
Pathfinder 2e Magus lets you load spells into weapon attacks and having them both hit with the same roll and then gives you other effects on top of that
That's a half caster
My favorite character I've ever played was a bladesinger. By the end of the campaign, when I had all my buffs up, I had 33 AC.
Honestly they did a great job in 4e with the Swordmage. The class had a fantastic mix of magic that let them protect allies, punish enemies, and great mobility. Ton of fun to play
3e dnd had a class in one of the supplemental books called battle mage. They were mages constantly training in heavy armor so that they could cast spells while armored
3.5E Also had the Spell Sword and the Eldritch Knight prestige classes.
My first ever character when I was 14 in 2003 started as a fighter that dual-wielded bastard swords, and later took levels in wizard to get those classes.
Haven't played 3.5 since before I left high school, though, so I'm not even sure if we were playing correctly, but those were good times.
Don’t forget hexblade and just playing a cleric of Corellon larenthian. Love to see other 3.5 enjoyers here
I hear 'with it's beginning in fifth edition' and am not sure if I want to scream in rage or just weep.
I know right… At least he didn't say in the beginning with 4th edition
I had to watch it twice to make sure i heard him right
I think that's just a language comprehension thing. He likely meant "since the very beginning *of* 5e" rather than *in* 5e
Really though they have not successfully been able to create a spell sword that feels good
5e needs to bring to life the Pathfinder 2e Magus.
God I love that class. They are like Paladins of arcane, getting a form of Smite called spellstrike
They already did in 4E, all of you hate it for them doing it
Pathfinder Magus class is good fun for this exact purpose :)
Best way I've seen it done is a "Woundmancer".
We modified most of the spells to fit into the theme, essentially the Woundmancer would build up stacks onto opponents they harm with their melee weapon and then their spells would cast on the wounds themselves. It made things interesting because the damage or effects of most spells scaled with the wound stacks they inflicted on their target before the cast. Some spells imbued the blade to autocast spells onto a target if their wound stacks hit a certain threshold, like inflicting chill touch when wounds hit 2.
We did that because players tended to focus on just spells or just melee so we wanted to make magic feel a little more effortless
What they're looking for, I think, is something like the Magus.
As a forever DM: challenge accepted
And that's why I homebrewed a proper Battlemage class - an intelligence half-caster with a balanced (I think) way to store a spell in their weapon and unleash it on attack. Also a subclass for each school of magic
I homebrewed a sorcerer that pumped its spells into its weapon and the spells would go off on a hit with that weapon. The tradeoffs were it limited attacks if you did it in one turn, like a rogue with sneak attack, and there were very few ways to buff ac and hp. So I created a glass cannon fighter which I thought was pretty cool and actually worked very well.
Congrats, you made the Pathfinder 2e Magus! Cause the magus also has the ability to channel their magic into their weapon strike
We need more Melee attack Cantrips, maybe one that works with multi attack.
- Whenever you cast a spell that targets a creature, add 1d4 + spell level to your damage roll on your next melee attack against that creature. This effect stacks.
- Whenever you successfully attack a creature with a melee attack, you may disengage as a bonus action.
Or people could just be a Paladin. Often times, they routinely cast spells that boost their upcoming attacks (especially if you count Divine Smite as a spell, which it basically is) or they straight up cast spells alongside their attacks.
Divine smite is better than a spell cause its a class ability not a spell so its better as it doesn't take a action or bonus action and can apply AFTER the hit.
Definitely! Paladin is a martial spellcaster in my book!
THANK YOU
I felt like everyone forgot they existed or something
@@_The_Dumbass_ i feel people forget because they get pigeonholed into righteous divine-magic warrior. 5e did a good job in the phb establishing that you dont need to worship a god to be a paladin, differentiating them from a cleric
You can take Sorcerer at 7th level for an excellent tank capability too + more spells, so versatile
I really love the rune knight, not really mechanically a spell blade,but appeal to the flavor of a character that dabs on the arcane on some way and kick ass on the field
I remember having to go through a ton of versions for my Spellsword homebrew class to warrent the use of both melee and magic. Got it eventually and it's been my favorite hb class of mine since.
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I think baldurs gate has the perfect sword and sorcery class with the changes they made to pact of the blade. They made it so you can use your charisma for attacks and damage like the hexblade and can use any weapon as your pact weapon. This opens up so much versatility, you can play the fiend to get powerful fire spells and temp hp on kills, the great old one for fear on crits and imposed disadvantage as a reaction, or invisibility and other trickery with the archfey. It feels great to play, especially as a gith to get misty step and medium armor for extra tankiness and escapes
I had to watch this video twice because i thought I saw you tealing a clip from She-ra for a brief second. It turns out you did, i was not expecting that.
One day Duskblade will get the love it deserves.
I hate how tanks in games aren’t given high burst damage potential. You know, like a tank.
Kind of like how shotguns are super close range in games, they do it to balance things out, if the uber tanky hard to kill character also does crazy burst, why wouldn't everybody just play that. A real shotgun can hit targets surprisingly far away and still be effective, a real tank can blow holes through fucking anything while being able to "tank" just about everything thrown at it. D&D famously struggle with having a class that can decently play as both a blaster mage and a martial fighter at the same time, they are different playstyles, but what D&D doesn't do is limit your creativity and flavor. A hexblade warlock is generally better off just throwing eldritch blasts instead of hitting things with their blade, but combining bladesinger with hexblade allows you to do both. A hexblade with the warcaster feat can easily blast away with eldritch blast all game in melee combat and simply flavor that attack as a combination of bladework and blasts of energy.
Because that's not what a tank is??????
Thus why I love the Pathfinder and the Magus class. Getting to not only cast spells and attack in the same turn (due to the 3-Point Action Point system, as opposed to 5e’s set types of actions per turn… ie main action, bonus action, etc), not to mention the Magus’s Spellstrike ability that lets them cast a 1 or 2 action spell through their weapon’s attack (and even through unarmed attacks in 2e)
Then you have Arcane Cascade, that lets you power up follow-up attacks, dealing further damage on your attacks based on your specialisation with the weapon you’re using.
PF2e is definitely a more offensive fighter when it comes to being a Spellblade style character.
Having crazy high AC as a bladesinger does not make me want to sit in the back lol
I had a campaign with a pair that found an effective way to do this. One fighter and one wizard. The wizard would create magic circles and symbols on the fighters armor and sword. Like a fireball spell attached to a shield for example. Once the enemy impacts the shield the spell would go off. I would allow this because one it took some prep time, so it prevented the party from jumping into battles Leon Jenkins style and it was fun to play out.
I feel like the Magus from Pathfinder does this well, letting you cast spells by hitting people with your sword.
Would be pretty broken in 5e so I dunno how you'd translate that over
You're super right. I frickin LOVE the feel of playing a Magus and using Spell Strike, but I dunno if 5e could replicated it without breaking the game. Maybe if the were a half caster, with some limitations, but even then it's taking away important apsects of the existing class.
The most Magus build I can think of for 5e would be College of Swords Bard with a 2 level dip in Paladin for Smites. I dunno, could be fun.
I've been working on something kind of like that
I've been trying to balance it like a half caster, and the casting is action-economy wise is similar to the paladin bonus action smites and the ranger subclass extra damage features
So far it's a bit wordy
I'm trying to make it so the spell HAS to be cast from the weapon as the big limiter
You could do something similar to how pf1e did the magus, spell combat effectively worked like 2 handed fighting except the off-hand attack is a spell. I don't know how you could balance spellstrike in 5e, maybe have it work like smite except you have to declare you're using the spell before rolling?
I created a funny melee spell character. Protector aasimar. Spore Druid with polearm master and crusher. The setup takes 2 rounds but after setting up Radiant Soul, Shillelagh, and Symbiotic Entity. You’re doing 1d8+Wis+lvl+1d6 at level 2 with only one hit. When you get polearm master you get a second hit with bonus action making it 1d4+Wis+lvl+1d6 and whenever a creature enters your range you get a free hit as a reaction. Then take crusher allows you to move enemies 5ft. Move them 5ft away. Free attack when they renter with polearm master. Add this with Druid spell list and throw down spike growth down and you’ve become a menace to all melee characters. Also if situation gets tough you can fly over spike growth as a aasimar.
I think bladesinger actually was released before the hexblade. It was in the sword coast book while hexblade was released in xanathar's
Personally I have seen good things from the Pathfinder Magus class
Kineticist is better
The best thing I came up with in our campaign was a Paladin with A LOT of spell and cantrip based feats. And yeah, it first sounds stupid but when you think about it, you don’t really get damage spells and being a wizard always lets you have bad HP and AC when you’re not bladesinging. The Paladin instead comes with Heavy Armor proficiency, great damage output in melee and with the oath of redemption you get amazing utility spells. Also many feats say that you can cast the spell with your spellslots you have available, additionally to letting you cast them for free once. You can ALSO get a ring of spell storing to even increase the number of spells you have available. There are so many great things you can do with the Paladin alone to get this „Sword and Magic“ style character you wanted.
Pathfinder's Magus comes to mind; specifically the sword saint.
One thing I did, luckily when I rolled my stats I had pretty high stats so this worked wonderfully; Made a Drow, so proficiency with short and long swords, put my highest in int, second highest as con and dex since they were the same. Took a proficiency instead of an ability score modifier for light armor proficiency. Got my base ac up to 17 at lvl 4. Then later worked with our rogue who was working to turn dragon scales into a viable light armor/ cloak for protection. And got that ac up to 19. Along with the necromancy subclass that gave life leach, that wizard never had much trouble. Seeing as how you can always attack with the weapon in your free hand without bonuses, unless you have the feat, you can always cast a cantrip or a spell then use your bonus action for the second attack.
The Primal Magic wizard from DDAL00-13 "Knuckleheads & Other Such Curiousities" is a powerful alternative to the spell singer.
Pathfinder Magus: "Armatures..."
I’m playing a blade singer right now and a large portion of the spells I have are the summon spells from tasha’s because bladesingers also get to a bonus to concentration saves, plus warcaster to basically guarantee I pass my concentration in battle. So it’s always me bladedancing with a spirit of some kind lol.
I wrote a Sorcerer subclass for one of my settings that is designed as a spellblade, lorewise being the descendants of Hexblade Warlocks or cursed/sentient weapon wielders. They have features like gaining temporary hit points whenever they make a melee spell attack (or spell melee weapon attack) and being able to ‘attune’ to a master, gaining the ability to use some of their master’s statistics and being able to give the aforementioned temporary hit points to their master instead of themselves.
That's a awesome idea!
Fits well with my character personality concept that I can never find any mechanics to build as well!
Surprised they aren’t just condensing all these subclasses into a whole new class of Spellswordsmen.
This is one reason I think pathfinder is so cool it has a lot of classes like the Magus which actually blends the sword and magic really well
I mean that comes down to the problem of how DND is designed. Magic is so much more versatile than sword play and in the higher levels is very hard without magic items or some other thing to out damage a magic user.
That's why I do like bladesinger wizard. With 3 lvls of fighter or artificer. That's the closest you can get.
The best option for casting and attacking sorcerer with quickened spell. If you want more martial capability, you can combine it with Hexblade, Fighter, or Paladin. Action Surge and Quickened Spell are the best features for spellswords, followed by Bladesingers Extra Attack.
Ah yes, Sorcery and Magic, two diametrically opposed styles of play, lol
Pathfinder's Magus class : Hold my beer
I freaking love high elf blade singers their just so sick.
That's precisely how the original bladesinger multiclass from AD&D was intended to be implemented. Their proficiency with a blade and armor was intended to be mostly defensive, parrying incoming attacks with bladesong while blasting away with their spells.
"Since it's very beginning in 5th edition"
Oh yeah 5, the first number...
Funny thing, Pathfinder showed them how to do this with the "magus" class almost fifteen years ago. You'd think they'd take notes.
Funny thing D&D did it with the Dusk Blade in 3.5 which happened 3 years before pathfinder was even a thing. The thing is that 5e is so simple that mixing the two would break the base game.
@@WhyYouMadBoi Ah, yes, I had forgotten about the duskblade, mostly on account that D&D itself seems to have forgotten about in in a desperate bid to try to keep making inferior versions of it that work at cross purposes and are basically useless (Eldritch Knight, and your "we stopped using 4th level magic 5 dungeons ago" I'm looking at you). In contrast, the Magus is a staple, literally iconic class for Pathfinder 1 and 2.
As for break the game? 5e has two cantrips whose entire thing is basically a poor-man's version of spellstrike/arcane channeling, and the game is fundamentally broken anyway. I give you exhibit A: the cleric, where wizards seems to have thrown up their hands and gone "right, we know we have a CoDzilla problem, but trying to fix it would be too much work. So let's just make this self-healing class that gets its subclass at the start of the game unlike everyone else, is proficient in all weapons and armor, and can add 1d4 to every single skill check it or its allies can ever make an infinite number of times a day.... oh yeah, and they can also obliterate an *entire castle* at level 5 without even having to call on their deity for aid... or purge an entire army from the field." (And what I just described is a *Tempest Cleric* which is acknowledged as one of the *less* powerful subclasses). Or the Hexadin Sorcerer, a class that with 2 levels in Paladin and Hexblade, turns into a heavy armor weilding, all-weapon proficient tank with access to 9th level magic and who is reliant on a single attribute for everything it does.
All that to say: the game is already broken. That is no excuse. XD
@@andrewgause6971 Yeah you basically saying give clerics extra attack and subclasses that mixes both arcane and martial ability. All the way to 9th level. At the moment to get that you need to multiclass at least and you miss out on alot.
@@WhyYouMadBoi Indeed. Granted. With a single magic item and one feat (arcane adept, or initiate, whichever one it is that let's you pick cantrips up from other classss), I can give a cleric an extra attack that will do something like 6d8 at a minimum by level 11. More of the enemy attempts to move away from the divine murder machine.
My bladesinger hasted himself. Problem over
Friends and I are homebrewing a Magus for our own personal "5.5e"
Eldeitch knight. Embues hammer with lightning, throws it with magic, retrieves it with magic. Strength Archer.
And the pf2e magus comes in from out of nowhere with a steel chair!
best way to play a spellblade is to run a hexblade warlock and a sorcerer multiclass and use quickened spell to cast haste on yourself. cast a spell and wack enemes with your sword in the same turn. use the haste action to spellcast because i think it only allows you to attack once even if you have multiattack. use your next bonus action to cast hexblade's curse and the enemy is gonna die
My favorite kind of character to make is "squishy caster turned party tank". I was gonna make my next one a bladesinger, but my last one who could sorta take some hits was a fiendish warlock who'd kill things fast enough they'd never run out of temp hp. Only fell a couple times through the entire campaign, which saw 6 character deaths.
This is one of the things I love about SotDL
It has both classes tailored for gish-playstyle and spells dedicated to gishes
The magus in Pathfinder is perfect imo. Their staple ability is that any single target spell can be cast as part of a melee attack
From what I've seen from the Dragons podcast, Crawford basically stated that EK is only for those people who don't wanna deal with multiclassing. It's designed to be a fighter wizard despite a multiclass just being better.
Pathfinder 1e has an archetype called the kinetic knight, which is basically a spellsword but with bending instead of magic, and it's a ton of fun
A wizard just enchants a warriors blade with fire and boom
Pathfinder 2e Magus is the epitomy of a spellblade.
College of Valor bards, "Am I a joke to you?"
That's why I like the Magus in Pathfinder, where you can use a full attack to cast and attack with only a -2 penalty on the attack. And it's not limited to cantrips.
As someone working on a custom sub class for sorcerers, called the armory sorcerer, it’s interesting to see where things have failed and succeeded.
I definitely want to make a video explaining how it works when I get it fully fleshed out.
At the moment I have level caps for one aspect, being the blessing or curse done by the gods at the birth of the hero. This allows them 3 items that they can draw from their hands, starting at level 5 they can only call one item, and only for an hour. This increases to 2 at level 10, and all 3 at level 15, with a slight increase in allotted time for the day. At level 20 they can used them almost indefinitely, with a limit of 12 hours of use. And definitely keep track of that time you have left, because once it runs out you will start taking damage.
They can wear armor and can have weapon proficiencies, though this can be limited by the DM.
The DM also has to approve the items, meaning my character who I’ve already built with this class will likely never get to see the light of day as a pc… as he has 3 op weapons…
An argument could be made for the Artificer.
Arcane trickster stealthed so hard they didn’t show up in this video.
Thats what i love about Mage, specially the akashic brotherhood tradition(similar to clan of sorts)... so much freedom for all kinds of martial/athletics magics possible... just hard making cool ones coincidental
I once played a Spellblade Vampire in an Evil campaign set in the 'Doomed Forgotten Realms' system, and absolutely I was just so damn tanky I was outperforming the Dwarf Revenant Cleric in terms of AC and health regen.
Absolutely glorious campaign though.
Honestly arcane trickster is probably the most useful swordcaster. Since they don’t lose out on their extra attacks if they use booming blade
Druids: i bonk with my magic stick and i control the battlefield with magic
It’s probably not the “blade swinging spellcaster” that people imagine when thinking of a spellblade, but Paladin does fit fairly well ento the idea of a character swinging spells and magic together. With the different types of smites empowering your weapon with some kind of elemental or glowing phenomena, plus plenty of other magical abilities that mix with your martial powers, it’s very solid pick for someone that wants to mix martials and magics
One of my favorite things about 4e was the swordmage
I saw the khorne lord of skulls and the inner warhammer fan in me screamed with joy
the hexblade in 3.5 says hi
This is the exact reason Pathfinder made the Magus class. It is literally built around using both, letting you use your weapons to deliver touch-range spells (using your Weapon's Critical Range), or letting you Full-Attack with one hand and cast a spell with the other.
Yet there is a ton of amazing homebrew of sword + magic classes. I even made one that casts a spell on its weapon, and uses a portion of its effects when you attack.
Pathfinder laughs. Magus go brrrr
"Since fifth edition" strong research there
Blade singers can be front liners you just need toughness feat at 5th level then go find the amulet of Constitution to buff that con
Abjuration wizard dwarf who swings a hammer with greenflame blade.
As an eldritch knight, you get a feature at 7th level, if you cast a cantrip as an action, you can then use a weapon attack as a bonus action, so at 7th level, you can cast booming blade on a battle axe, basically doubling your damage for that attack, only to attack again as a bonus action
Duskblade in 3,5 was craaaaaazy fun! I miss this class so much
did you ever play an Abjurant Champion?
@@jypsridic nop, why?
@@AJSALink it trumps duskblade so thoroughly that no one ever plays duskblade anymore.
@@jypsridic gonna check it out
Me, trying to do exactly this with playing a Blade singing wizard and a hexblade warlock back to back:
Laughs in PF Magus, Shaman and Bloodrager
Spellblade archetypes are my favorite types of characters to play lately. I like to mess around with different combos of martial classes and caster classes via multi classing, even at the cost of extra feats/higher lvl spells.
It's a bit unorthodox in terms of what makes a Spell"Blade" a Spellblade but I just rececently played a Gold Dragonborn Pally, OoV. Crossed it with a Dragon Sorc (red) and got both to lvl 6. By lvl 12 I had access to mirror image, shield, haste, counterspell and fireball, on top of Divine Smite, AoP and the martial prowess of a Pally. I went with a fire flavored version, but you could easily swap it for any element or a mix. One of my favorite things to do in DnD tho is find ways to stack fire resist and have my tanky spellblade wade into a group of enemies and drop fireballs at his feet. And I definitely achieved that with this build. It's also a very good Red Mage from Final Fantasy type build. Which was an OG spellblade imo. Always fun finding ways to build different classes from other games in DnD
I do love the Sword Saint Magus from Pathfinder, any spell with a touch range can be cast via your sword as the thing to touch with, using a sword hit roll instead of a magic hit roll, and adding the sword damage and any modifiers your sword has. I particularly like using vampiric touch with this, it just makes you unstoppable with how much health you can steal from enemies
My idea is a Magic Knight class that imbues magic to the blades by a technique unique to that class I like to call "Spell Blade" which will allow them to cast a bona fide spell while doing melee attacks. Ofc they would need an entire spell list of their own.
The "Shadow of the Demon Lord" system covers this from all directions- it features a base class called "Spellguard" which combines weapons and magic, a subclass "Spellbinder" that focuses on exactly what you described with "Spell Blade", and a whole list of spells that focus around a gish playstyle (from creating magic weapons to augmenting attacks)
This was actually the last character I played
@@Konpekikaminari that's nice to know, I've never had the opportunity to play dnd so I didn't know a class liked that existed
Still obsessed with the Zelda music in most of your videos
Mystra calls and her Paladins answer!
Sorc-adin FTW!
I made a class called the Blood Painter.
Basically, it's something like a Barbarian/Sorcerer hybrid.
It starts out encounters like a Barb, but it gains a sort of mana pool, calculated from the amount of damage dealt by their melee attacks, that they use to cast their spells.
Self heals, AC buffs, even using the blood to summon creatures or drown enemies in it.
But it always had to sway in and out of the front lines and never had the best base AC. High Risk, High Reward.
Absolutely sucked against undead, though, cuz you'd end up having to use your own blood to cast spells, considering Zombies usually don't have much to spare.
"Dnd has been trying to make a good sorcery and magic class since it's very beginning in fifth edition." every single word that fell out of your face there was wrong, amazin!
Just make an elven bladesinger with one of the Moonblades ** whistles **
Arcane trickster: “…tf”
I think a potential solution is to make a subclass that can cast a spell using their action and then make a melee attack with their bonus action (or make an attack with their action and a second attack with their bonus action). So they could cast fireball, move to the target, and finish them off with a sword
Pact of the blade warlock with a hexblade weapon patron is my favourite build for this idea. They were an amnesiac time. Traveller who came from a doomed future, and while seen mostly as a charismatic and senile middle aged man at first, it was later revealed I was the paladin in the party from a future where we failed. We lost. Our families burned and our friends skewered. My faith was tested and I became an oath broken paladin, sought the power for vengeance against the bbeg who became a God. Acquired a cursed blade that constantly tried to take over my mind, and was sent back in time by a rival God to ensure the bbeg would not ascend to such power. In response the bbeg went back in time as well. And because I used to be a paladin, I never took Eldritch blast, my cantrips and spells were about protecting others and enhancing my blade further. And the payoff was very satisfying when I gave my life to protect the party when the bbeg sent their past self at us early. I insisted that they retreat while I hold the line, because there is no future without them. (obviously getting my memories back prior). They tried to move past me so I used an attack of opportunity to bind them. In place, and as the party fled, I gave myself to the blade, getting cloaked in a cursed armor (armor of hades), and the last the party saw of me was a madman getting skewered, demonic laughter reverberating in their heads as the bbeg teleported away and cast fireball. The real. Fun was both of our rolls were screened (dm ruled it that if the rest of the party is not in combat they cannot see combat rolls). I actually succeeded on enough saving throws and dealt enough damage to this nerfed bbeg that instead of dying I was captured, but the party assumed I was dead since I rolled a new character at the DM's request. My tarnished warlock was used as a magical battery when he wasn't being tortured. When the party made it there, and freed my old pc with great joy in their hearts, the rogue I was playing revealed they were an assassin contracted to kill the party, and that he only tagged along thus far because there were too many witnesses until now (the party usually travelled as a detached squadron of an army, so there was constant communication with a large force prior to the final conflict) and while the rogue was gloating, I rolled a back attack on my own character and because of the advantage, hit despite my level difference inflicting a curse on him, and allowing the party the opportunity to shred him. This was a 1st to 20th level campaign that took a long time, and my warlock was only 12th level so I was going into the final boss with a massive debuff from the torture and a really low level. (I did gain a level from the encounters on the way), however I was able to somewhat compensate because I had so many spells focused on support. I would just spam debuff in the back while. Leaning on my sword for balance. When the bbeg was defeated, my timeline ceased to exist and so I walked into a bright light where my wife and kids were waiting, and embraced my death with open arms. My vengeance completed and my life redeemed.
Edit: fixed some autocorrect garbage
I’ve been using eldritch night to essentially replicate Steve from minecraft.