Man, I miss old skool White Wolf. Those guys had no fear, and would tag anyone. The OWOD books were full of little nods, jabs, and winks at the industry, pop culture, themselves, the fans, everyone. They get glossed over as goth-heavy emo melodrama, but they were actually very broad in tone within the horror genre, and could ke blisteringly self-aware.
Ironically, 90% of a companies profits is actually more sustainable than 25% of gross revenue - because profits are always money after you've paid all your expenses, so technically you'd be able to keep the company running. With 25% of gross revenue, that's taking a quarter of all the money that comes in - before expenses, before paying salaries, before taxes even. So if I had to pick one I'd pick the 90% profits, because at least then I'd be able to say 'well my profit this year was only X, so here's 90% of X' instead of having to fork over a quarter of my gross revenue. Even in their melodramatic prediction they couldn't be as evil as modern day WotC - how funny. Sad? idk.
Technically it's before taxes in the safe way, where it's an expense that can't be taxed. Still an evil decision in an industry with such tight margins
When a literal evil megacorporation bent on the corruption and eventual consumption of the world is KINDER than your actual real-life company's actions, something is deeply wrong.
Yes they try to make people sell at a loss so they either dont publish at all or publish, realize they are losing money, back out and then wizard can sell their intellectual property forever without paying them a cent. If you are even more cynical about it they probably want to push out cheaper creators that can sell a whole campaign book for half the price of their own books and then hike up their own prices even further.
I gotta tell ya the weirdest thing to come out of this OGL fiasco is the D&D community somehow seeing Ryan Dancey as a good guy and a voice of reason. Dude was kind of washed out of the RPG industry in disgrace a few years back for assorted shady shit and the only thing stopping him from doing exactly what Hasbro just tried to do with the OGL was a lack of competence.
I played Vampire, Werewolf, Changeling, and Mage back in college. I LOVED Mage and Changeling, but was pretty “meh” about Vampire and Werewolf. With Mage and Changeling I felt like I could really let my imagination run wild. Vampire and Werewolf were okay, but Mage and Changeling were special.
Also the Syndicate cut most ties with Pentex with the SPD which is still being run but without ties from Syndicate, seems that Syndicate tried to investigate but the investigator all ended up dead. and Syndicate runs a double bluff operation in order to hide its ties with Pentex to the rest of the technocracy and strangely Syndicate still receives its dividends from Pentex. (info according to the Mage Syndicate book).
6:17 - Wizards of the Coast bought TSR in 1997, and was itself bought by Hasbro in 1999. As a corporation, Hasbro is focused on increasing shareholder value. Customers, products, and employees are all just means to that end. It's not exactly prescient to guess that corporate capitalism will eventually ruin everything.
In Vampire it used to say "bye bye world trade center" under demolitions rank 5 skill. After the WTC bomber in the 90's, they changed it to something that they figured no one would blow up. It said "bye bye pentagon".
Pentex is more like a holding management company for all these companies under its umbrella , and the companies under their umbrella most probably are even rivals to each other. While the garou or some other supernatural can bring down a major company , it does not really hurt the company as a whole since its only a holding company though it hurts the profits, to really hurt the company you have to kaput their board of directors which the garou has done(and the directors actually assasinate and scheme against each other). Pentex is the most organized and the most powerful of the Wyrms minions. Everyone else factionalized and chaotic, like the Black Spiral Dancers, powerful yes but anarchic chaotic disorganized no single leader leading the clan and the members kill each other on a whim.
Man that sounds like every single company today in the modern Era except most of them are failing and people are calling them out on their BS tactics or how greedy they've gotten.
According to copyright law, the "process" cannot be copyrighted. In 1979m Gary Gygax explained the DMG and D&D as a "foundation and inspiration." As the foundation can't be copyrighted and the inspiration is your own intellectual property I don't understand why they're making a grab now. Further, software developers already know the answer to this battle.
Way off topic, but WoD's worldbuilding really reminds me of the Nasuverse. Might be a good match in terms of system and setting. I'ma have to look into this some more.
White Wolf does such a good job of lore building and find sensible ways of making different lore or the same creature fit into the same setting. Honestly I'd pay just to have a look at the research and source materials they use. I was introduced to D&D and WoD around the same time and I believe WoD to be by far the superior RPGTT system. Actually I don't know how people can stand playing the D&D system...
@@TheMapleTable I agree. The d10 pool system is really good. I ran a Exalted vs. The World of Darkness campaign a couple years back, after we got the coding down for our VTT it ran really smooth. My only real gripe about it is that there isn't enough room for growth on a character over a long campaign on the mechanical side, which was what my group enjoyed more - that is, long, sweeping narratives. That and making interesting monsters that do interesting things from a mechanical standpoint is kind of hard.
the new 5e vampire id also say is a bit off-putting to many people who are familiar with classic world of darkness. it feels more inspired with vampire the requiem mechanically than vampire the masquerade
@@saoliath5000 I haven't played anything WoD since requiem...it was just so bad I decided to stick to original masquerade. That's why I advise people to look for the old books from the 90s. That was a good system, setting, and lore.
A fun compromise while keeping an important topic in the public eye. I will now need to base a campaign around that and may or may not change some of the company names for my table
World of Darkness is absolutely a case of parody becoming reality. Political advertisements on Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines sound so similar to modern political ads. The things they wrote as parody have just become laughably real with time.
@@TheMapleTable I know the feeling. Personally, I choose to view it as patterns being recognized but not being challenged. The point of parody and comedy is to recognize truth and point it out, but a truth pointed out without any action taken on the matter does very little to challenge anything.
You know I can actually say I do admit that I Miss gaming in the white wolf universe the entire weekend Friday after I got out of school all the way to Sunday night and I really do miss because a lot of people don't take the time to look at what was there white wolf knew what they were doing when they put it all together Justice Dungeons & Dragons did that is why after 20 years of Gaming with a group of people that paid attention read the books and discussed everything there were three of us that were the GM's scary thing is is I was the one that would actually drop people into a meat grinder and they wouldn't realize it until it was already happening but you got to love being able to make people think thank you yes I do enjoy your content and I do enjoy the video
I remember in the late 1990s when WotC was burring smaller game makers. Then they started using their mall stores in a Walmart like way to drive all the friendly local game stores out of business. I've always disliked their predatory business practices. This latest OGL business is just the final straw.
This was a fascinating topic, good presentation. A few people have said similar things about the OGL being a kind of "honey pot" that could be used as a kill switch. It sounds crazy, but here we are.
so did I. when me and my friends were getting into D&D and talking about writing down our campaign and selling it we found out about the ogl and called this. 2003
It’s funny as one of our gaming group has literally every WoD and dark ages WW book release. We have decided to not play any DnD anymore and switch to these 20yr old games.
6:10 LMFAO, I've seen the ~blurred fellow~ posted as a cropped reaction image before, but I never knew what the source was until now. 'Wait a minute, I recognize that [content unsuitable for TH-cam]!' Must have been difficult determining whether or not to use that whole image - it's hilarious, but that one part can totally ruin it for people.
Awesome vid Nathaniel. That copy of subsidiaries came at a rather serendipitous time I think. Cos a few days later this ogl bollocks dropped. Best of luck to anyone who goes for the tickets. Wish I could but my passport ran out and ya know… cost of living and all that rot… 😂
Hahaha, kids are Blisters. The worst part is that they'll often try to jam it into your mouth before you have a chance to see what it is, and if they catch you off-guard...oh boy, you're doomed. Poor BIL got a 3mo french-fry from his cupholder surprise-attacked into his mouth.
Yeah, yeah... White Wolf was also the very first to market with a d20 product. The Creature Collection famously beat the Monster Manual to print in 2000.
One again, a joke/parody is able to predict the future. Simpsons effect is already a thing, but who could guess that White Wolf would do it. I swear, it's like that meme where people are randomly tweeting jokes and Apollo is about to throw the "gift of prophecy" ball at them.
@@TheMapleTable There are worse scenarios. But the more pressing issue at hand is that parody and satire essentially REQUIRE the ability to recognize absurdity; and that such an outcome, while plausible, is usually not difficult to avoid. SciFi dystopias being another example, and usually taken more seriously due to its dower outlook, usually comments on a systemic break down of social order, where society falls victim to either extremes of animistic behavior, or fascist control.... and occasionally the mix of the two with fanatical worship of a concept (sometimes made manifest). Right now our world is living in the cartoon villainy end of the absurdity spectrum. IE the one where even kids can recognize a lack of human decency and respect for rules when presented.... Yet grown humans with presumably enough intelligence to be able to understand the mechanical benefits to society as a whole, access to written history showing this, AND arguably had benefited directly from its economic peak within their life times (~1990s-2010s depending on where you live in the world), are somehow unable to selfishly perpetuate the system that benefits many, in order to cannibalize it for larger short term gains. But what really takes the cake? You'd practically have to out of your way to screw up as badly as a lot of these Entertainment companies are. Whats probably more ironic is most of the ones that are coming from the tech circles into other industires..... IE the demographics where both the customer and workforce would be more closely associated and familiar with Science Fiction and its adjacent stories. You'd expect it from older Post war Industrial era companies, since those were the nexus of where a lot of the commentary was aim at. The phrase "Blood from a stone" comes to mind. Plus "Cycle V" if you're even older.
That would explain why they were one of the only games that never jumped on the d20 Bandwagon back in the day! I hated how so many people did that in the early to mid 00's! There were too many games that all felt too similar! They didn't ever jump on that Bandwagon did they?!
I actually looked into this a little bit, and some of the games that they publish have editions where you can use d20s, like Seventh Sea. I don't know about the main systems though
@HeirofAzaran 7th Sea wasn't White Wolf. It was AEG. That being said, Swords and Sorcery books were written by White Wolf to include the D&D 3.5 version of Ravenloft.
White Wolf was one of the first companies to use the ogl. They had product ready to sell at the first gen con when the new edition of DnD debuted with the ogl. It wasn't the world of darkness product line though. They created a new division of the company called Sword and Sorcery to handle all their fantasy rpg d20 products.
This is totally false, the first monster manual that existed for 3.0 even before WotC own bestiary was made by ww. And the created not only one but two campaign settings for D&D one of them Scarred Lands, is still very well supported by The onyx path from the time they split from ww
Please note that WoD is not just Gothic, it is Gothic-Punk. Instead of "we're all doomed, oh woe", it's "we're all doomed, so go screw yourself mayte!". Different game lines have more of one or the other; Wraith and Vampire tend more toward goth, but werewolf and mage are a lot more punkish.
Something good happened and I am happy for you all. However a dragon doesn't change its heart only its plans. The parent company and the company that offered 5E on a silver platter do so purely because its a loss they CAN afford. There is no winning. Only a perpetual fight to keep and guard our imagination, our money, our hearts and our perspective. Nothing lasts forever but dragons live a for a very long time. Hopefully slaying THIS dragon by moving to other game systems and taking our money with us will not only embolden the next generation of TTRPGers but serve as an example ringing throughout EVERY business ethics classroom that THIS WAS NOT OK!!! WHAT THEY DID WILL NEVER BE OK! Finally I would love to see and I pray that someday the same zeal and unity I shown by in the community across the board comes together again to address other atrocities in the world. Fight the dragon and NEVER become one!
Not a bad vid overall, but I have to point out a problem. At timestamp ~6:15 the timeframe of events is messed up. "Early 2000s" TSR was gone. WotC bought them out in 1997. This tends to dilute your credibility for everything else in the vid. Please do better research. Ty.
This isn't a prediction. Like I'm sorry to say But this is click bait. The fact that the OGL would be revoked is not exactly a prediction it was just a matter of time. Especially with has bro. Look at what they did to Magic the Gathering in just the past 10 years. I'm sorry but this was not a prediction
I would not call it a prediction when it clearly is more of a coincidence. But what baffles me more that you call the storyteller system narrative, when I see nothing that would justify that. The closest WoD games come to anything narrative related is when they talk about theme in the books, but not only is that usually completely ignored my the majority of people using these game,it ha absolutely no impact on game mechanisms.
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Man, I miss old skool White Wolf. Those guys had no fear, and would tag anyone. The OWOD books were full of little nods, jabs, and winks at the industry, pop culture, themselves, the fans, everyone. They get glossed over as goth-heavy emo melodrama, but they were actually very broad in tone within the horror genre, and could ke blisteringly self-aware.
im sad the goth edge has been lost.
Ironically, 90% of a companies profits is actually more sustainable than 25% of gross revenue - because profits are always money after you've paid all your expenses, so technically you'd be able to keep the company running. With 25% of gross revenue, that's taking a quarter of all the money that comes in - before expenses, before paying salaries, before taxes even. So if I had to pick one I'd pick the 90% profits, because at least then I'd be able to say 'well my profit this year was only X, so here's 90% of X' instead of having to fork over a quarter of my gross revenue. Even in their melodramatic prediction they couldn't be as evil as modern day WotC - how funny. Sad? idk.
Your very right
Technically it's before taxes in the safe way, where it's an expense that can't be taxed.
Still an evil decision in an industry with such tight margins
When a literal evil megacorporation bent on the corruption and eventual consumption of the world is KINDER than your actual real-life company's actions, something is deeply wrong.
Yes they try to make people sell at a loss so they either dont publish at all or publish, realize they are losing money, back out and then wizard can sell their intellectual property forever without paying them a cent. If you are even more cynical about it they probably want to push out cheaper creators that can sell a whole campaign book for half the price of their own books and then hike up their own prices even further.
Additionally, Ryan Dancy (main force for the OGL) and Lisa Stevens (Paizo's owner) both did work on the World of Darkness.
I gotta tell ya the weirdest thing to come out of this OGL fiasco is the D&D community somehow seeing Ryan Dancey as a good guy and a voice of reason. Dude was kind of washed out of the RPG industry in disgrace a few years back for assorted shady shit and the only thing stopping him from doing exactly what Hasbro just tried to do with the OGL was a lack of competence.
I played Vampire, Werewolf, Changeling, and Mage back in college. I LOVED Mage and Changeling, but was pretty “meh” about Vampire and Werewolf.
With Mage and Changeling I felt like I could really let my imagination run wild. Vampire and Werewolf were okay, but Mage and Changeling were special.
Also the Syndicate cut most ties with Pentex with the SPD which is still being run but without ties from Syndicate, seems that Syndicate tried to investigate but the investigator all ended up dead. and Syndicate runs a double bluff operation in order to hide its ties with Pentex to the rest of the technocracy and strangely Syndicate still receives its dividends from Pentex. (info according to the Mage Syndicate book).
6:17 - Wizards of the Coast bought TSR in 1997, and was itself bought by Hasbro in 1999. As a corporation, Hasbro is focused on increasing shareholder value. Customers, products, and employees are all just means to that end. It's not exactly prescient to guess that corporate capitalism will eventually ruin everything.
Interesting video. Vampires being in charge of Hasbro would actually make a lot of sense...
wouldn't it though?
In Vampire it used to say "bye bye world trade center" under demolitions rank 5 skill. After the WTC bomber in the 90's, they changed it to something that they figured no one would blow up. It said "bye bye pentagon".
Interesting change
@@TheMapleTable Not really. Regardless of motivation, it expected now due to public sensitivity. And that BEFORE other exacerbating factors.
Wow. World of Darkness has changed a lot since I played it 20 years ago.
It really has. New editions are being worked on too
Pentex is more like a holding management company for all these companies under its umbrella , and the companies under their umbrella most probably are even rivals to each other. While the garou or some other supernatural can bring down a major company , it does not really hurt the company as a whole since its only a holding company though it hurts the profits, to really hurt the company you have to kaput their board of directors which the garou has done(and the directors actually assasinate and scheme against each other). Pentex is the most organized and the most powerful of the Wyrms minions. Everyone else factionalized and chaotic, like the Black Spiral Dancers, powerful yes but anarchic chaotic disorganized no single leader leading the clan and the members kill each other on a whim.
Pentex is really fun to cover
Man that sounds like every single company today in the modern Era except most of them are failing and people are calling them out on their BS tactics or how greedy they've gotten.
According to copyright law, the "process" cannot be copyrighted.
In 1979m Gary Gygax explained the DMG and D&D as a "foundation and inspiration." As the foundation can't be copyrighted and the inspiration is your own intellectual property I don't understand why they're making a grab now. Further, software developers already know the answer to this battle.
Way off topic, but WoD's worldbuilding really reminds me of the Nasuverse. Might be a good match in terms of system and setting. I'ma have to look into this some more.
you could probably tweak the sorcerer revised rules to simulate the nasuverse magic i imagine
I thought the current OGL debacle could be perfect for a Cyberpunk adventure, but what you explained about Werewolf: the Apocalypse is even better.
it would be very fitting for a cyberpunk adventure
White Wolf does such a good job of lore building and find sensible ways of making different lore or the same creature fit into the same setting. Honestly I'd pay just to have a look at the research and source materials they use. I was introduced to D&D and WoD around the same time and I believe WoD to be by far the superior RPGTT system. Actually I don't know how people can stand playing the D&D system...
I like there d10 pool system
I started back in W:tA 1st ed, and have loved oWoD since. Well-written interwoven lore, and the system's not too hard to figure out
@@TheMapleTable I agree. The d10 pool system is really good. I ran a Exalted vs. The World of Darkness campaign a couple years back, after we got the coding down for our VTT it ran really smooth. My only real gripe about it is that there isn't enough room for growth on a character over a long campaign on the mechanical side, which was what my group enjoyed more - that is, long, sweeping narratives. That and making interesting monsters that do interesting things from a mechanical standpoint is kind of hard.
I think it depends on what the kind of game you like.
WoD isn't very good for combat, in my opinion.
WOD was on of the best section tabletop back in the day. Shame they kinda messed things up with the stuff they did in the early 2000s.
No one is infallible
the new 5e vampire id also say is a bit off-putting to many people who are familiar with classic world of darkness. it feels more inspired with vampire the requiem mechanically than vampire the masquerade
@@saoliath5000 I haven't played anything WoD since requiem...it was just so bad I decided to stick to original masquerade. That's why I advise people to look for the old books from the 90s. That was a good system, setting, and lore.
@@markcarpenter6020 yeah i personally always stick to the old/20th edition books
@@markcarpenter6020 You can all stay way from my bookshelf!!
Considering White Wolf's creation spawned from TSR pulling this kind of thing, of course they'd see this coming.
maybe they didnt see it coming 20 years later im sure they thought it would happen quicker
A fun compromise while keeping an important topic in the public eye. I will now need to base a campaign around that and may or may not change some of the company names for my table
World of Darkness is absolutely a case of parody becoming reality. Political advertisements on Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines sound so similar to modern political ads. The things they wrote as parody have just become laughably real with time.
I dont know if I should feel sad or impressed about that... As world of darkness was supposed to a worst case scenario.
@@TheMapleTable I know the feeling. Personally, I choose to view it as patterns being recognized but not being challenged. The point of parody and comedy is to recognize truth and point it out, but a truth pointed out without any action taken on the matter does very little to challenge anything.
You know I can actually say I do admit that I Miss gaming in the white wolf universe the entire weekend Friday after I got out of school all the way to Sunday night and I really do miss because a lot of people don't take the time to look at what was there white wolf knew what they were doing when they put it all together Justice Dungeons & Dragons did that is why after 20 years of Gaming with a group of people that paid attention read the books and discussed everything there were three of us that were the GM's scary thing is is I was the one that would actually drop people into a meat grinder and they wouldn't realize it until it was already happening but you got to love being able to make people think thank you yes I do enjoy your content and I do enjoy the video
its so fun, I have fond memories of it as well.
You know what, I will hit the like button this time.
Appreciate it
Sounds like that may have been written around the days of the GSL and 4E. It's amazing how things today are mirroring what happened then.
im pretty sure that was the original event that made them do this.
Ha! You made the video I suggested! Really great treatment of the material for those not familiar with WoD.
It was topical and good
@@TheMapleTable I hope it gets some people who were considering branching out from D&D to give WtA a try!
Awesome vid!
Thanks!
Can confirm, things kids hand you are the plague. Currently sick myself for this reason.
I keep falling for it
That's why version 20 was amazing I'll take v20 over v5 just because of lore like this
Yea some of this was in the revised versions of games
agree 100%
I remember in the late 1990s when WotC was burring smaller game makers. Then they started using their mall stores in a Walmart like way to drive all the friendly local game stores out of business. I've always disliked their predatory business practices. This latest OGL business is just the final straw.
This was a fascinating topic, good presentation. A few people have said similar things about the OGL being a kind of "honey pot" that could be used as a kill switch. It sounds crazy, but here we are.
Im sure similar things were said about them when they printed this
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They likely had heard the idea being passed around in back rooms at conventions before it became a thing.
OK that almost 100% accurate. Kinda crazy
Its wild
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This is funny I like this and I love pentex lore
Its a really fin topic to talk about
Just finished the Vampire playlist. Love the setting and am going to be joining a new MET game in the spring. Looking forward to more lore!
That's a substantial playlist! But worry not I will deliver more lore
@@TheMapleTable Looking forward to it! I'll probably be checking out the other WoD playlists soon.
so did I. when me and my friends were getting into D&D and talking about writing down our campaign and selling it we found out about the ogl and called this. 2003
great minds think alike
@@TheMapleTable more like 'corporate greed is predictable' but yeah 👍
It’s funny as one of our gaming group has literally every WoD and dark ages WW book release.
We have decided to not play any DnD anymore and switch to these 20yr old games.
They are still lots of fun 20 years later
I will not be able to participate in the Con but I hope whoever the lucky winner is has an awesome time!
6:10 LMFAO, I've seen the ~blurred fellow~ posted as a cropped reaction image before, but I never knew what the source was until now.
'Wait a minute, I recognize that [content unsuitable for TH-cam]!'
Must have been difficult determining whether or not to use that whole image - it's hilarious, but that one part can totally ruin it for people.
I pre blurred just to be safe
Awesome vid Nathaniel. That copy of subsidiaries came at a rather serendipitous time I think. Cos a few days later this ogl bollocks dropped. Best of luck to anyone who goes for the tickets. Wish I could but my passport ran out and ya know… cost of living and all that rot… 😂
I get it about the cost of living
Love it, as a long time D&D and WoD gamer I find this oddly amusing.
I just cant believe that I missed it before
super cool! I had no idea
I thought it was really interesting
Hahaha, kids are Blisters. The worst part is that they'll often try to jam it into your mouth before you have a chance to see what it is, and if they catch you off-guard...oh boy, you're doomed. Poor BIL got a 3mo french-fry from his cupholder surprise-attacked into his mouth.
Life is going to be hard for a while lol
@@TheMapleTable Take care of yourself first and foremost
Yeah, yeah... White Wolf was also the very first to market with a d20 product. The Creature Collection famously beat the Monster Manual to print in 2000.
Yeah, the OGL being able to succeed at all is kind of partially White Wolf's fault. Which is ironic as hell.
One again, a joke/parody is able to predict the future. Simpsons effect is already a thing, but who could guess that White Wolf would do it.
I swear, it's like that meme where people are randomly tweeting jokes and Apollo is about to throw the "gift of prophecy" ball at them.
They probably thought what the worst case scenario would be and then went with that
@@TheMapleTable There are worse scenarios.
But the more pressing issue at hand is that parody and satire essentially REQUIRE the ability to recognize absurdity; and that such an outcome, while plausible, is usually not difficult to avoid. SciFi dystopias being another example, and usually taken more seriously due to its dower outlook, usually comments on a systemic break down of social order, where society falls victim to either extremes of animistic behavior, or fascist control.... and occasionally the mix of the two with fanatical worship of a concept (sometimes made manifest).
Right now our world is living in the cartoon villainy end of the absurdity spectrum. IE the one where even kids can recognize a lack of human decency and respect for rules when presented....
Yet grown humans with presumably enough intelligence to be able to understand the mechanical benefits to society as a whole, access to written history showing this, AND arguably had benefited directly from its economic peak within their life times (~1990s-2010s depending on where you live in the world), are somehow unable to selfishly perpetuate the system that benefits many, in order to cannibalize it for larger short term gains.
But what really takes the cake? You'd practically have to out of your way to screw up as badly as a lot of these Entertainment companies are. Whats probably more ironic is most of the ones that are coming from the tech circles into other industires..... IE the demographics where both the customer and workforce would be more closely associated and familiar with Science Fiction and its adjacent stories. You'd expect it from older Post war Industrial era companies, since those were the nexus of where a lot of the commentary was aim at.
The phrase "Blood from a stone" comes to mind. Plus "Cycle V" if you're even older.
When you make a protest against the big dog in your industry by making lore coded in biblical reference.
Interesting way to protest
So...we're actually living in the World of Darkness. Figures.
sometimes I think the world of darkness is a better place then what we have now lol
I so want to design an actual BMS card game.
if i recall, the dnd world exists canonically in the umbra.
This thing was made because of the SRD from d20 of that time
That would explain why they were one of the only games that never jumped on the d20 Bandwagon back in the day! I hated how so many people did that in the early to mid 00's! There were too many games that all felt too similar!
They didn't ever jump on that Bandwagon did they?!
No they haven't lol
I actually looked into this a little bit, and some of the games that they publish have editions where you can use d20s, like Seventh Sea. I don't know about the main systems though
@HeirofAzaran 7th Sea wasn't White Wolf. It was AEG.
That being said, Swords and Sorcery books were written by White Wolf to include the D&D 3.5 version of Ravenloft.
White Wolf was one of the first companies to use the ogl. They had product ready to sell at the first gen con when the new edition of DnD debuted with the ogl.
It wasn't the world of darkness product line though. They created a new division of the company called Sword and Sorcery to handle all their fantasy rpg d20 products.
This is totally false, the first monster manual that existed for 3.0 even before WotC own bestiary was made by ww. And the created not only one but two campaign settings for D&D one of them Scarred Lands, is still very well supported by The onyx path from the time they split from ww
Should have gotten a Glass Walker involved. They would have figured it out.
Probably. Glass walkers are awesome
Pentex rules!
So much fun
One correction, WotC bought TSR back in the late 90s, 97 or 98 iirc.
thanks for the correction
it was a fun rabbit hole, wasn't it :)
I enjoyed it
Please note that WoD is not just Gothic, it is Gothic-Punk. Instead of "we're all doomed, oh woe", it's "we're all doomed, so go screw yourself mayte!". Different game lines have more of one or the other; Wraith and Vampire tend more toward goth, but werewolf and mage are a lot more punkish.
Buy more sorcery card game is brilliant
Magicians Of The Bay is so on the nose
Same with "buy more sorcery"
Now I need to look at my books.
Go ahead
Don't have Vegas. What's the page numbers for werewolf?
You should also checkout their Unbound license. :)
Now I have to look into it
Something good happened and I am happy for you all. However a dragon doesn't change its heart only its plans. The parent company and the company that offered 5E on a silver platter do so purely because its a loss they CAN afford. There is no winning. Only a perpetual fight to keep and guard our imagination, our money, our hearts and our perspective. Nothing lasts forever but dragons live a for a very long time. Hopefully slaying THIS dragon by moving to other game systems and taking our money with us will not only embolden the next generation of TTRPGers but serve as an example ringing throughout EVERY business ethics classroom that THIS WAS NOT OK!!! WHAT THEY DID WILL NEVER BE OK! Finally I would love to see and I pray that someday the same zeal and unity I shown by in the community across the board comes together again to address other atrocities in the world. Fight the dragon and NEVER become one!
Always be vigilant
Looks like the Glass Walkers won this round! Or was the recent events part of MotB's plan?! Dun, dun, DUN
Glass walkers did their part
Can someone outside the US play the world of darkness?
Im in Canada and lived in the UK for a year, it was well known in both areas
@@TheMapleTable I am from Egypt, and it is not known here. So, I am trying to figure out where to start.
Your local hobby shop might be able to help you, but if not I would look at drive thru rpg
ıts ımpresive real ones are more evil cause profit rather renevue
Exactly
when art predicts life................ :(
Not a bad vid overall, but I have to point out a problem. At timestamp ~6:15 the timeframe of events is messed up. "Early 2000s" TSR was gone. WotC bought them out in 1997. This tends to dilute your credibility for everything else in the vid. Please do better research. Ty.
So it seems you're saying WoD ... is *real*?? .... huh. Who knew?
Its... Interesting how they called some things
This isn't a prediction. Like I'm sorry to say But this is click bait.
The fact that the OGL would be revoked is not exactly a prediction it was just a matter of time. Especially with has bro. Look at what they did to Magic the Gathering in just the past 10 years. I'm sorry but this was not a prediction
It was predictable to those paying attention but most regular people never saw it coming.
I would not call it a prediction when it clearly is more of a coincidence. But what baffles me more that you call the storyteller system narrative, when I see nothing that would justify that. The closest WoD games come to anything narrative related is when they talk about theme in the books, but not only is that usually completely ignored my the majority of people using these game,it ha absolutely no impact on game mechanisms.
Lame
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