After this week, this show seems like a captivating fantasy, which saddens me. I'm old enough that I don't think I will see the paradigm shift back in my lifetime.
the show was always a fantasy. Thankfully we are seeing a paradigm shift, but sadly the people most able to embrace it are the ones least willing to do so.
@@howardtreesong4860 I just remember Charlie shoving his way past Secret Service agents to force his way into the Oval Office when bullets hit the Press Room.
It’s after the end of this clip but the look Bartlet gives Sam’s campaign manager when he has the nerve to backtalk him is just *chef’s kiss*. You know that was going to be his last campaign ever.
I was very disappointed that Rob Lowe left. But it was more of a situation where he wasn’t invited to stay. When others in the cast, and their agents were doing salary negotiations Rob wasn’t approached. Wouldn’t that make you feel ‘not valued’?
Sam shouldn't be prez. I don't care what Bartlet said about him being president someday. It was a dumb line then, and there's no reason they should try to live up to it.
@@tejaswoman Who do you think would be better? It wasn't just that line, there were a LOT of hints that Sam and Charlie would go on to some great stuff.
"If I'm going to lose, I'd like to lose doing something!" Imo, that's the difference between the political galaxy we had two decades ago, and the clickbait poseurs that we've been electing in the Trump era.
@@randystolz I have been on this rock for 70 years, so I feel compelled to weigh in. With all due respect to both of you, I have to go with @Elthanar on this one. It started with the proliferation of television in American homes. It has been argued--with validity, I think--that Nixon's five-o'-clock shadow during the first-ever televised debates lost him the election. Optics changed everything. There is a reason that 6 of the top 7 Presidents as ranked by historians served before the advent of television, and the medium was in its in infancy for the other, Eisenhower.
Yep, I was a C.O. and when we had a new batch come in off the bus we to take fresh prints. You not only had to roll just once, but you had to be sure that you weren't putting too much pressure on the finger. At least that is how I recall, it has been some 20+ years.
@@blackcat4859 Intruding on *persons* when it comes to their own gender is everything but minding your own damn business, irrespective of if family members are doing the intruding.
@@oliverbryan6883 That simply isn't true. Cal. Penal Code §242, for example, defines, Simple Battery use willful and unlawful force on another person while Cal. Penal Code 240 PC defines the crime of assault as the unlawful attempt, along with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on someone.
@@MacAdvisor Okay? I said many. Missouri criminal code 565.052 defines Assualt in the second-degree as A person commits the offense of assault in the second degree if he or she: (1) Attempts to kill or knowingly causes or attempts to cause serious physical injury to another person under the influence of sudden passion arising out of adequate cause; or (2) Attempts to cause or knowingly causes physical injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument; or (3) Recklessly causes serious physical injury to another person; or (4) Recklessly causes physical injury to another person by means of discharge of a firearm. I did not say that there is no criminal code for battery. I said many, since you made an absolute statement, which was false.
Not up to him. Only a prosecutor can file or dismiss criminal charges (and likely, most county prosecutors wouldn't want to try this case even aside from the inevitable influence of the White House).
The drunk dude was such a straw-man enemy. I like Sorkin and the show but he did like to create these cookie cut-out bad-guys sometimes. See also: Mary Marsh / Dr. Jenna Jacobs.
Not quite, Dr. Jenna Jacobs is a 1:1 pastiche of a real life radio host, Laura Schlessinger, she was a lot more culturally relevant when the West Wing was on TV then she is now. Mary Marsh isn't quite as direct of a 1:1, but Phyllis Schlafly would be the primary inspiration for her as a character.
I had forgotten all about this. *I* have no problem with what Toby and Charlie did. If you're gonna run your mouth, you'd better be prepared for the consequences. 🤷♂️
Rob made his choice and he's been candid about it. The premise of the show was supposed to be 90% the staff and 10% the president - and you see that in the first episode. However, Martin Sheen was just absolutely dunking his material and his role kept expanding to where the ensemble cast was turning over up to half the screen time each episode to Sheen. Rob thought he was too big to see his presence reduced like this. So, he left one of the top rated shows in television history to fly solo - just to join another ensemble cast on Parks and Rec.
I remember when Maxine Waters told Democrats in 2017 to confront cabinet officials in restaurants and tell them they weren't welcome, create a crowd and to push back on them. That's what this guy was doing!
Confronting public officials in restaurants because you don’t agree with their policies (public business) and confronting a congresswoman because you don’t agree with her pregnancy (personal, private business). Umm……..ok.
No. Absolutely not. She was pregnant, and no offense to the congresswoman, she was in her late thirties to mid-forties, and stress is a danger to a pregnancy at any age, but especially at her age. If he wanted to come after her, then he could have done it after she gave birth and avoided endangering her and the baby. Nothing that drunk and his wife did was okay by any metric.
there's a very wide gulf between "I don't like your policies" and "I don't like that you're pregnant and unmarried." To say nothing of the implied racism his wife lets rip soon after.
Looking back at this, the Congress woman was looking for a fight. She was way out of line . She had no ability to defuse the situation, as they are sitting around drinking in an obvious public place. If you can’t handle the banter of somebody at a bar while you’re drinking, you shouldn’t be holding the office .
beg to differ. the passerby couple were looking for a fight. The Congress woman was holding her ground. how the hell was she out of line? it wasn't banter. it was borderline harassment.
It’s probably worth mentioning Toby probably can’t leave the state anyway. Writers gold.
After this week, this show seems like a captivating fantasy, which saddens me. I'm old enough that I don't think I will see the paradigm shift back in my lifetime.
Keep hope. There was a time in 1940 when everyone thought the Nazis were unstoppable. Five years later most of them were dead
the show was always a fantasy. Thankfully we are seeing a paradigm shift, but sadly the people most able to embrace it are the ones least willing to do so.
I love how Charlie was arrested too, implying that he was more than willing to throw hands.
Throughout the series, Charlie's been ready to throw hands to defend a woman he admired, from CJ to Zoey.
Charlie would not back down from the wrath of god if it meant he could defend the people he cared about.
@@howardtreesong4860 I just remember Charlie shoving his way past Secret Service agents to force his way into the Oval Office when bullets hit the Press Room.
A man stands up.
@@Quinn-e9c And that's how fights get started.
It’s after the end of this clip but the look Bartlet gives Sam’s campaign manager when he has the nerve to backtalk him is just *chef’s kiss*. You know that was going to be his last campaign ever.
@@untexan At least for a Democrat of any consequence 😂
My mother refers to us as "absolutely the Clampetts" on a weekly if not daily basis.
Usually when we're leaving church.
@@jonathananderson5135 I was kinda sweet on Ellie Mae back in the day 😂😂
😂
I think the clampets didd not go tom church on a regular basis.
Charlie being the first to back up Zoe and Toby is just xxx
'Did they try to rob the bar?' 😄
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Rob Lowe was one of the best parts of this show and I was sad he left shortly after this episode (aside from cameos last 4 ish episodes)
It was his own fault. He thought he was the star and couldn't handle the fact that he wasn't.
He was one of the least best parts when compared to the rest of the cast
@@jpjordan90 Even though I am a Rob Lowe hater, that is no insult. This show had an absolutely fantastic cast.
@@Elthenar wasn't meant as an insult. He was good but everyone else was great.
I was very disappointed that Rob Lowe left. But it was more of a situation where he wasn’t invited to stay. When others in the cast, and their agents were doing salary negotiations Rob wasn’t approached. Wouldn’t that make you feel ‘not valued’?
😂 The Clampetts
Waiting for the reboot with Sam as prez and Charlie is COS.
I .. erm ... is there talk about a reboot?!
Sam shouldn't be prez. I don't care what Bartlet said about him being president someday. It was a dumb line then, and there's no reason they should try to live up to it.
@@tejaswoman Who do you think would be better? It wasn't just that line, there were a LOT of hints that Sam and Charlie would go on to some great stuff.
Oh that would be SO good 😁Please someone green-light this straight away!
I'd watch that!
“ that might have been assault” LMAO
I miss a show like this. It gave me hope for America.
There is no hope for America. Rome has fallen.
That bar scene is Newport Beach to a fare thee well.
Seaborn for President.
If they brought this show back, he should be president. Imagine what he and his staff would get up to.
"If I'm going to lose, I'd like to lose doing something!"
Imo, that's the difference between the political galaxy we had two decades ago, and the clickbait poseurs that we've been electing in the Trump era.
Nonsense. This is the way politics have been since probably Teddy or Eisenhower.
@@Elthenar I disagree
@@randystolz your disagreement doesn't change you from being wrong.
@@randystolz I have been on this rock for 70 years, so I feel compelled to weigh in. With all due respect to both of you, I have to go with @Elthanar on this one. It started with the proliferation of television in American homes. It has been argued--with validity, I think--that Nixon's five-o'-clock shadow during the first-ever televised debates lost him the election. Optics changed everything. There is a reason that 6 of the top 7 Presidents as ranked by historians served before the advent of television, and the medium was in its in infancy for the other, Eisenhower.
@@trevornott2488 It doesn't make him right either.
No real cop would make a fingerprint like that. You cant roll back and forth you get a smudge. You need to roll left to right exactly once.
As a repeat offender, I can verify this. One roll...
Well, he's an actor, not a cop.
Yep, I was a C.O. and when we had a new batch come in off the bus we to take fresh prints. You not only had to roll just once, but you had to be sure that you weren't putting too much pressure on the finger. At least that is how I recall, it has been some 20+ years.
It’s a TV show, in case you didn’t notice
@@ianhiscock9440 anyone with good sense or who ever played with a printing set for kids knows, but they wanted t
Oh look JD Vance from 20 yrs ago.
As Tim Walz said, "Mind your own damn business!"
Intruding on families when it comes to gender of their children is everything but minding your own damn business
@@blackcat4859thank god no one is doing that!
@@blackcat4859 Intruding on *persons* when it comes to their own gender is everything but minding your own damn business, irrespective of if family members are doing the intruding.
Defending Tim Walz is hilarious
@@deansapp4635dude, you’re watching clips of the west wing
What!? How could you skip the ending of this scene? Are these clipshows being put together by an AI?
Really wish writers had Wyatt respond 'my babes have a father -- how do you think I got them?' 😄
Too many fathers don't want to stick around or just leave the kids to the mother.
For me, this show starts with Sam Seaborn in a bar and ends with Sam Seaborn leaving a bar. (But I'll allow for Toby's babies.)
You age about as quickly as a CIV5 builder
Missed the best part again, where POTUS fires Sam's campaign manager
you cut out toby's response to "There's Solitary"
"perfect"
why?!
Because its 5 minutes and not the whole episode?
@@jpjordan90 it would have added 2 seconds! it ws literally the next line.
Sorry, but it wasn't assault. It was battery. The police officer would have known that, but writers don't.
In the civil tort world, yes. However, many criminal statutes do not use the term "battery" they use "assault."
@@oliverbryan6883 That simply isn't true. Cal. Penal Code §242, for example, defines, Simple Battery use willful and unlawful force on another person while Cal. Penal Code 240 PC defines the crime of assault as the unlawful attempt, along with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on someone.
@@MacAdvisor Okay? I said many. Missouri criminal code 565.052 defines Assualt in the second-degree as A person commits the offense of assault in the second degree if he or she:
(1) Attempts to kill or knowingly causes or attempts to cause serious physical injury to another person under the influence of sudden passion arising out of adequate cause; or
(2) Attempts to cause or knowingly causes physical injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument; or
(3) Recklessly causes serious physical injury to another person; or
(4) Recklessly causes physical injury to another person by means of discharge of a firearm.
I did not say that there is no criminal code for battery. I said many, since you made an absolute statement, which was false.
@@oliverbryan6883 I made a broad statement of legal principles. It still holds.
@@MacAdvisor You made a definitive statement, which was wrong.
If they were told Orange County would start electing Democrats they would say you're crazy...
If only Sam had waited maybe...20 years, give or take, he wouldnt have been the longshot in Cali 47th...hed be a representative
They get arrested and just NEVER talk about this again. Did the dude drop the charges?!
Not up to him. Only a prosecutor can file or dismiss criminal charges (and likely, most county prosecutors wouldn't want to try this case even aside from the inevitable influence of the White House).
The fact they kept their jobs, the story didn't dominate the news, and the GOP didn't use it to attack Bartlett is a surprise in of itself.
@@ReaverLordTonus A drunk Republican taking a swing at a man protecting a pregnant woman?
The drunk dude was such a straw-man enemy. I like Sorkin and the show but he did like to create these cookie cut-out bad-guys sometimes. See also: Mary Marsh / Dr. Jenna Jacobs.
Not quite, Dr. Jenna Jacobs is a 1:1 pastiche of a real life radio host, Laura Schlessinger, she was a lot more culturally relevant when the West Wing was on TV then she is now.
Mary Marsh isn't quite as direct of a 1:1, but Phyllis Schlafly would be the primary inspiration for her as a character.
I had forgotten all about this. *I* have no problem with what Toby and Charlie did. If you're gonna run your mouth, you'd better be prepared for the consequences. 🤷♂️
3:06 😂😂😂😂
Sam was amazing, Sorkin did Rob Lowe dirty
Rob made his choice and he's been candid about it. The premise of the show was supposed to be 90% the staff and 10% the president - and you see that in the first episode. However, Martin Sheen was just absolutely dunking his material and his role kept expanding to where the ensemble cast was turning over up to half the screen time each episode to Sheen. Rob thought he was too big to see his presence reduced like this. So, he left one of the top rated shows in television history to fly solo - just to join another ensemble cast on Parks and Rec.
Pre MAGAts
What is up with the crappy video quality? It looks like 480p at best.
Rob Lowe was gifted the most mediocre plots and lines throughout this show.
I remember when Maxine Waters told Democrats in 2017 to confront cabinet officials in restaurants and tell them they weren't welcome, create a crowd and to push back on them. That's what this guy was doing!
Confronting public officials in restaurants because you don’t agree with their policies (public business) and confronting a congresswoman because you don’t agree with her pregnancy (personal, private business). Umm……..ok.
No. Absolutely not. She was pregnant, and no offense to the congresswoman, she was in her late thirties to mid-forties, and stress is a danger to a pregnancy at any age, but especially at her age. If he wanted to come after her, then he could have done it after she gave birth and avoided endangering her and the baby. Nothing that drunk and his wife did was okay by any metric.
I remember when some guy gave a speech to his supporters, and then they immediately attacked the Capitol.
Completely bogus analogy, AKA bullsh*t.
there's a very wide gulf between "I don't like your policies" and "I don't like that you're pregnant and unmarried." To say nothing of the implied racism his wife lets rip soon after.
Wish Toby was there to white knight for Trump and his private life.
Looking back at this, the Congress woman was looking for a fight.
She was way out of line .
She had no ability to defuse the situation, as they are sitting around drinking in an obvious public place.
If you can’t handle the banter of somebody at a bar while you’re drinking, you shouldn’t be holding the office .
beg to differ. the passerby couple were looking for a fight. The Congress woman was holding her ground. how the hell was she out of line?
it wasn't banter. it was borderline harassment.
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@2:32 Hottentot? Didn't the Mary Poppins movie getting a lot of trouble for using that terminology?
It is, in the strictest of definitions, bit of a slur, yeah