Could you do a video on the phaserunner specs, updates, and information you put in while tuning this bike up? Very curious about adding more power to my e bike, but would like to know a bit more of the technical side of things. Great video by the way the bike looks clean and fun to ride.
I totally agree, full suspension is a must on a 40mph bike. I have a Troxus Explorer which is a high quality bike with the exception of the suspension fork. It's sprung so stiffly that I'm not sure than it's better than a rigid fork. That's the next area that the Chinese should focus on, quality suspension at a reasonable price. American suspension components are obscenely priced.
you should replace that top battery pack with another 72 volt, with a load balancer. Could probably fit another 10AH up there nicely, increasing your max range quite a bit.
I recommend putting a thermal pad between the phase runner so it can use the frame as a big heatsink. And if you have issues with the motor heat get the 1kw model!
Thermal pad heatsink is neat idea, but why would a smaller, weaker motor be better for heat? A bigger motor with less resistance should be slower to heat and better at dissipating it.
I have been waiting on you to build that bike bro and it looks fabulous and so awesome can’t wait to see you put more stuff on it. love the new handle bars too keep up the great content on both of those builds brother and always be safe out there
WOW this looks simple and encouraging to do. Now how about light for night riding ad turn signals. will look for the tire upgrade to see what you say on new meats.
Love the build. Would love to see it with dual motors as I would occasionally use mine in soft sand. Totally agree with the brake change. That's my dream bike. Hope you get a lot of views on this. One question though - Birkenstocks with socks?
Great content! I'm looking to do a similar build using a folding frame (can fit inside a vehicle) that has a back rack for cargo (camping bike) or a passenger's seat (beach cruiser). The Wallke H6 is the only frame I've found that fits the bill, but their stock batteries are severely underpowered and overpriced. The back battery (48V 21Ah) is nearly acceptable at the price point of $500, but not for the insane original price of $780. The internal front battery is absolute crazy-town nonsense at $620 for a 48V 14AH; could get a 72V 10.5AH for the same price. Guess it'll be at least a year from now before anything better comes along. If it were possible to buy just the bike frames- that'd be really cool, but these companies wouldn't be able to peddle overpriced garbage then.
Have you tried powerful lithium they make custom batteries. They could make a battery to fill up the empty space in the middle of that bike. But I'm sure it won't be cheap
Recently, I almost wrecked riding through an area with a pot hole on a bike with zero suspension. Luckily I saved it, but I bet a suspension would be nice to have.
Nice build, but I would've gotten the Ristretto 512 if I was going for a moped/motorcycle style e-bike. It costs the same and it's 52V mid-drive and can go up to about 43 mph stock without the 72V mod. It also looks cooler.😄You'll also probably lose acceleration and speed by installing the higher density scooter/motorcycle style tires like Shinko's since they're so heavy.
While your build isn't really my style, it is still a testament to the idea that you can **ALWAYS** build something better and cheaper yourself than anything available through traditional 'pre-built' consumer channels.
So regarding that controller from Grin Technologies, I'm assuming it only controls the motor and battery, does it also control other things such as the front lights or you kept the stock controller for that?
Not the controller I would have gone with, but to each their own. I agree re suspension - a suspension - even a scrappy one - will increase reliability and service life of all electronic components, as the are all vibration sensitive.
Is this setup for throttle only? Does it work with pedal assist? I have a 48-volt ebike; how would this interface with the other components - horn, turn signals, brake light, odometer, etc. Would I need to haul around a 48-volt battery just to keep those components functinal? Thanks.
You shouldn't wear sandals on bikes because, well, I did that. My rear axel just randomly broke when I only had one hand on my bars. My shoulder ended up going into a sharp curb (like, did they try to make this curb a perfect sharp edge??) and actually that hurt but nothing too bad. The worse problem was that my foot went in between my chain and front sprocket. I had not maintained it very well, so it cut into my foot and inserted a lot of black dirt+grease paste. After walking a mile to get home, I had to scrub it out with warm soapy water and luckily had a brand new brush from Ikea to use. THAT WAS NOT FUN.
Hi there, I just got my Smartravel Rocket E-Bike and am looking to put in more max speed and range. Will this 72v conversion kit be able to do this? This will be my first time modding my e-bike. Have a blessed day!
Genuine question, I’m trying to upgrade my E bike to go around 40 plus miles an hour. currently I have a OUXI V8 E bike, I know I need a 72 V battery to achieve this, but everything else I have no idea how
Nice build man! I am on the fence I got a Auloor s4 e bike that runs awesome only beef is pas 1 is like 20mph I want to set the bike up with a proportional throttle. I guess my only option is the phase runner . j
Congratulations on your new ride !!! the improvements you made look like factory ! I have been watching your site for some time and when you upgraded your white bike with the 60volt battery and Phaserunner package , I wanted to ask you a boatload of questions but i did not want to sound like a mooch and drill ur brain until your ears bleed with questions...... I have a Lectric xp 2.0 (almost identical to your white bike) and i want to go with the Phaserunner controller , I just wanna make sure the brake ut-off works with the new controller . I would think so but i wanna make sure before i spend the $300 bucks........ Lastly did you pick up the hub motor assembly from them as well? I am thinking about it too , but its a lil pricey ......... Enjoy your nice new toy !!!
The biggest flaw with the phaserunner is the lack of support for lights/ brake cut offs. I kept the original battery/ controller just to run the integrated lights.
The cycle analyst display and a grin controller whether baserunner or phaserunner will have ebrakes cut off. These are some of the most complex and customizable controllers on the market having features that 99% of other controllers don't have like field weakening, sensorless drive and proportional Regen. Don't even get me started on the features of the CA. (ITS A LOT) This is what makes them so versatile and able to run with any system or setup. Grin sells their own brakes you can use and they also have Higo to jst adapter. I have a 32mph aventon level with full grin hardware but still looks bone stock.🙂
@@Nalladolla32 Thanx Tyler...that is what i was hoping to find out . I want to use the Phaserunner/Baserunner which ever one is available for my application . I want to use the factory type of brake cutoff and have the stock looking look as you have as well ! I do not want to run a few batteries , a few controllers to run numerous devices to bring it to the level of stock. I gotta start doing the research Thanx again !!
If you could a detailed build explanation for us idiots who don’t know anything about electrical, including maybe swapping that top battery for a 2nd 72v one and what to do with all the stock electronics not needed anymore that would be great
@chrisMc1972 I actually tried putting 3.5-4k into it and I don't think it liked it. One of the wires inside got loose which means there was a whole lot of heat in there
Samsung 21700 50s are amazing cells,I built one battery pack for my ariel rider, I'm not buying Chinese battery anymore, I prefer to spend on good quality cells,expensive but better.
Why don't you use Regen on Phaserunner? You would not have to get better takes and would save on brake pads. I have a 1000w Bafang geared hub motor and Grin has video on locking the clutch for Regen. Works great Regen is the way to go.
@@DriverJ-N Yes if you lock the clutch. Grin technologies has a video on TH-cam that shows how to lock a clutch on a geared motor. It is relatively easy to do.
@nplventures I want to ask your option on which bike you recommend since you have experience with the P-51 Bullet and the Raev Bullet GT. I have never owned an e-bike and I am 6’1” and 250 lbs. I am interested in buying the new Raev Bullet GTS or the P-51 Bullet. The Raev bikes look so small (short) in the pictures compared to the P-51. But, it’s hard to tell not seeing either of them in person, what do you think? Thanks
Received my P-51 and must admit it's speed is underwhelming. Once my Ghostcat 1500 watt, 52 volt battery arrives I'll be selling the P-51. Actually like and prefer my Fucare Scorpio full suspension fat tire bike better and tops out at 34mph with no effort in PAS 5 mode and will blow the stock P-51 away.
You being a finance guy. I'm really surprised you're still into the ebike thing. Right there with everything, that's about 5 grand. For something no insurance company will insure, operates in a legal grey area (that's going to be a lot less grey by this time next year), with a range of about 50 miles and a recharge time of 4 hours if you drop another $380 for a cycle satiator. 5380 total, uninsurable investment with absolutely zero utility. You can buy a Vespa 150 for $5299 listed price before negotiation from several dealers online. It has a top speed of about 60 mph, 200 miles of range per tank, great suspension, is insurable by everybody (and as cheap as I've been paying velosurance for the insurance on my Dad Power Bike that is now just sitting collecting dust in my office), can be refueled in under 3 minutes for another 200 miles of range for about 5 dollars, can carry 60.3 cubic inches of cargo under the seat, can carry 2 people, comes with turn signals, an LED headlight with high beam, has ABS brakes in the front on an anti dive front suspension, and can be resold for high resale since they are considered iconic collectors items. All with the same "twist and go" fun. After putting 2000 miles on my ebike last year, I just find myself thinking that Ebikes at their best can only ever be, the worst scooter anyone could ever soak money into.
I see what u are saying but have u looked at the benefits of an ebike I wouldn’t want a Vespa 150 over an ebike… the pros of e-bikes are quiet low maintenance and can go most places heavier vehicles like the Vespa can’t… I mean u had an ebike for 2000 miles .. u should know the pros other than speed and distance …
@@DriverJ-N When you consider the "can go most places heavier vehicles like the Vespa can’t" when talking about a 72v ebike. You're talking about "the places I can illegally ride something on the sidewalk or bike lane". A vespa can go in both of those places illegally too. It's exactly those arguments that currently caused a bill making its way through the legislature in California that bans kids under 12 from riding an ebike, requires an ebike license that will have a test under 16, then requires a drivers license to have on the road. Same for New Mexico which banned everything except class one from all multi use trails and the moped laws which require a mechanically (not software) limited top speed of 30mph that cannot be modified or removed by the rider in any way. That is the legal grey area that wont be so grey everywhere else once that CA law ends up getting signed by Governor Newsom (the bill has his support so that's a done deal).
@@cerebrix u are in control of where u bring your ebike.. not everyone with a 72v + ebike are going to do illegal things with it... a vespa on a sidewalk will attract attention and cops will stop u .. ebikes? people will care less especially if u are going normal bicycle speeds.. i live in Texas so cops don't really care where I ride wether its the sidewalk, road, bike lane, on grass they don't care aslong as im not going 40 mph on the sidewalk.. now if i was on a vespa we both know that story would be different even if i was going 5mph lol ... and if i was in Cali i would obey the law even if my bike was a 72v ebike like this one
Cerebrix, of course you are correct but don't expect others to understand. For the type of riding NPL does, a motor scooter...Vespa, Honda Grom, Honda Trail would be MUCH better. This guy is always playing in traffic with an underpowered ebike when a 125cc motor would be much better. That said, there is a place for ebikes...in particular if fitness is the objective. I own two 2000w ebikes I built...but I use them for fitness riding and recreation. If you want a scooter whereby you don't pedal, gas is the way to go. 50-60 mph on secondary roads...can keep up with cars and 100mpg+ and fill up on any street corner...and more fun.
Could I keep the 52v stock controller and add a Grin Tech 750w motor to a 26x4in front wheel and blend a 48v 20 amp hr battery (Powered Lithium equal in size to stock battery) as well as ful twist throttle? Can you see problems with blending display, throttle and batteries? I'd ask Grin Tech to basically blue print a kit) I'd want to use 2 brackets on 4 screws just above crank for mounting brackets. Would I need to get a different display (controller) or would I be better off upgrading to 72v controller system? I'm wanting to keep stock display and 52v controller if possible? Thanks Tod
@@mississippisoldier3699 IMHO i don't get the point, instead i would get a talaria 3x that bring you more performance @stock for cheaper and still good quality.
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Super nice! Looks like nothing was done to it. P51 should of came like this from manufacturer. Great job!
Especially being $4000+
Could you do a video on the phaserunner specs, updates, and information you put in while tuning this bike up? Very curious about adding more power to my e bike, but would like to know a bit more of the technical side of things. Great video by the way the bike looks clean and fun to ride.
Geared or gearless?
After a second watch I realize you by pass the original controller completely and the phase runner runs the motor, nice!
I totally agree, full suspension is a must on a 40mph bike. I have a Troxus Explorer which is a high quality bike with the exception of the suspension fork. It's sprung so stiffly that I'm not sure than it's better than a rigid fork. That's the next area that the Chinese should focus on, quality suspension at a reasonable price. American suspension components are obscenely priced.
you should replace that top battery pack with another 72 volt, with a load balancer. Could probably fit another 10AH up there nicely, increasing your max range quite a bit.
might do that in phase 2
@@NPLVentures or take it off
Is there anyway to get in touch with you. Had a question about a custom build. @NPLVentures
bruh.. that flipflops.. what a thooseeeee
This is the way.... great job..
Beautiful! Great job, Bro!
Looks very professional and rides super smooth.
So you're using the stock 750w motor?
Yep, at 3kw
I’m monitoring it for heat. So far it is well within healthy operating ranges
7:42 Not judging, but is that a sippy cup? 😂
A distance test and more about how well it regens would be great. Sweet build!
Its a 15amp hour battery probably will only get 18miles max with hard riding
GRIN has regen hub motors too
Lets fucking go, This the God build!
Great build
I recommend putting a thermal pad between the phase runner so it can use the frame as a big heatsink. And if you have issues with the motor heat get the 1kw model!
Thermal pad heatsink is neat idea, but why would a smaller, weaker motor be better for heat? A bigger motor with less resistance should be slower to heat and better at dissipating it.
thats a good idea!
@@andrewstephens2687 A 1kw motor would be larger and better with dissipating the heat compared to the 750w motor he currently has
@@Bengy22 my bad I misheard, thought he said he swapped in a 3k motor, rather than just running the stock motor AT 3k.
New build so excited
I have been waiting on you to build that bike bro and it looks fabulous and so awesome can’t wait to see you put more stuff on it. love the new handle bars too keep up the great content on both of those builds brother and always be safe out there
Thanks 👍
Sweet ride! 🚴
Damn you made that look easy. I wish I was smart😂
WOW this looks simple and encouraging to do. Now how about light for night riding ad turn signals. will look for the tire upgrade to see what you say on new meats.
Dope bike!
this thing is sick!
""FANTASTIC BUILD"" Seen everything but nothing about the motor . Is it the stock 750 watt ?
Original motor !
Love the build. Would love to see it with dual motors as I would occasionally use mine in soft sand. Totally agree with the brake change. That's my dream bike. Hope you get a lot of views on this.
One question though - Birkenstocks with socks?
I love your p51 good job
But keep aware of heat in motor tho
Great content! I'm looking to do a similar build using a folding frame (can fit inside a vehicle) that has a back rack for cargo (camping bike) or a passenger's seat (beach cruiser).
The Wallke H6 is the only frame I've found that fits the bill, but their stock batteries are severely underpowered and overpriced. The back battery (48V 21Ah) is nearly acceptable at the price point of $500, but not for the insane original price of $780. The internal front battery is absolute crazy-town nonsense at $620 for a 48V 14AH; could get a 72V 10.5AH for the same price. Guess it'll be at least a year from now before anything better comes along. If it were possible to buy just the bike frames- that'd be really cool, but these companies wouldn't be able to peddle overpriced garbage then.
do you have a parts list?
Have you tried powerful lithium they make custom batteries. They could make a battery to fill up the empty space in the middle of that bike. But I'm sure it won't be cheap
Great Video! Quick question, How did you get the Threaded inserts into the frame of the bike to mount the battery?
Nice easy way to boost speed.
Speed gain was impressive! Did you gain any torque?
Recently, I almost wrecked riding through an area with a pot hole on a bike with zero suspension. Luckily I saved it, but I bet a suspension would be nice to have.
Nice build, but I would've gotten the Ristretto 512 if I was going for a moped/motorcycle style e-bike. It costs the same and it's 52V mid-drive and can go up to about 43 mph stock without the 72V mod. It also looks cooler.😄You'll also probably lose acceleration and speed by installing the higher density scooter/motorcycle style tires like Shinko's since they're so heavy.
Yeah but the suspension on the P51 makes it worth modifying. Ristretto not the same feel.
@lkjfjslkdj heh it's not a dirt bike and the suspension location makes it look like an eye sore or cheap bike
While your build isn't really my style, it is still a testament to the idea that you can **ALWAYS** build something better and cheaper yourself than anything available through traditional 'pre-built' consumer channels.
It’s a 1080 watt hour battery..with a high watt usage controller..why didn’t you go like 60v 20a or 52v 30a or something
Hows the motor holding up? Do you think it think you can go up to 4500w?
So regarding that controller from Grin Technologies, I'm assuming it only controls the motor and battery, does it also control other things such as the front lights or you kept the stock controller for that?
Does the battery from e-bike marketplace come with a charger and or a mount?
Not the controller I would have gone with, but to each their own.
I agree re suspension - a suspension - even a scrappy one - will increase reliability and service life of all electronic components, as the are all vibration sensitive.
What is the throttle kit that you used? Would you recommend it? Thanks.
Didn't see you replace the hub motor?
Also, I thought the motors watts has to be the same as how much your running it. your running 750w motor at 3.2k watts?
Seemingly
FUCK YEAH!!!
clean. the phaserunners are not really worth it though when you can pull more amps with a sub $100. controller
Is this setup for throttle only? Does it work with pedal assist? I have a 48-volt ebike; how would this interface with the other components - horn, turn signals, brake light, odometer, etc. Would I need to haul around a 48-volt battery just to keep those components functinal? Thanks.
How come you kept the same motor?
If you went with a bigger motor wouldn't it be faster?
You shouldn't wear sandals on bikes because, well, I did that. My rear axel just randomly broke when I only had one hand on my bars. My shoulder ended up going into a sharp curb (like, did they try to make this curb a perfect sharp edge??) and actually that hurt but nothing too bad. The worse problem was that my foot went in between my chain and front sprocket. I had not maintained it very well, so it cut into my foot and inserted a lot of black dirt+grease paste. After walking a mile to get home, I had to scrub it out with warm soapy water and luckily had a brand new brush from Ikea to use. THAT WAS NOT FUN.
Hi there,
I just got my Smartravel Rocket E-Bike and am looking to put in more max speed and range. Will this 72v conversion kit be able to do this? This will be my first time modding my e-bike.
Have a blessed day!
Sir? What kind of twist throttle did you use?
Genuine question, I’m trying to upgrade my E bike to go around 40 plus miles an hour. currently I have a OUXI V8 E bike, I know I need a 72 V battery to achieve this, but everything else I have no idea how
Nice build man! I am on the fence I got a Auloor s4 e bike that runs awesome only beef is pas 1 is like 20mph I want to set the bike up with a proportional throttle. I guess my only option is the phase runner . j
Have you figured out the top speeds for the P-51 with 72v?
Congratulations on your new ride !!! the improvements you made look like factory !
I have been watching your site for some time and when you upgraded your white bike with the 60volt battery and Phaserunner package ,
I wanted to ask you a boatload of questions but i did not want to sound like a mooch and drill ur brain until your ears bleed with questions......
I have a Lectric xp 2.0 (almost identical to your white bike) and i want to go with the Phaserunner controller , I just wanna make sure the brake ut-off works with the new controller .
I would think so but i wanna make sure before i spend the $300 bucks........ Lastly did you pick up the hub motor assembly from them as well?
I am thinking about it too , but its a lil pricey .........
Enjoy your nice new toy !!!
The biggest flaw with the phaserunner is the lack of support for lights/ brake cut offs. I kept the original battery/ controller just to run the integrated lights.
The cycle analyst display and a grin controller whether baserunner or phaserunner will have ebrakes cut off. These are some of the most complex and customizable controllers on the market having features that 99% of other controllers don't have like field weakening, sensorless drive and proportional Regen. Don't even get me started on the features of the CA. (ITS A LOT) This is what makes them so versatile and able to run with any system or setup. Grin sells their own brakes you can use and they also have Higo to jst adapter. I have a 32mph aventon level with full grin hardware but still looks bone stock.🙂
@@Nalladolla32 Thanx Tyler...that is what i was hoping to find out . I want to use the Phaserunner/Baserunner which ever one is available for my application .
I want to use the factory type of brake cutoff and have the stock looking look as you have as well !
I do not want to run a few batteries , a few controllers to run numerous devices to bring it to the level of stock.
I gotta start doing the research Thanx again !!
Why did you keep the stock battery on top if your not using it?
I want to get a 3000 watt motor on my blade 2 !!! How much is it for all parts?
What was the total price for the upgrade please?
interesting how would go engwe ep2 pro to convert batterie ad axselaration :)
If you could a detailed build explanation for us idiots who don’t know anything about electrical, including maybe swapping that top battery for a 2nd 72v one and what to do with all the stock electronics not needed anymore that would be great
how good is it when wheeling and is the back brake on the left of the bar?
Nice...
How many amps are you running it , what the amps of your controller ?
Nice going. Can I use that battery and controller on my super 73 RX?
Here in the UK we are limited to 15.5mph and 250W, throttles are also banned.
That is so sad in the UK
UK is a becoming a authoritarian dystopia
You Want to Build Me one do you have to replace the Hub
How many watts do you think this motor could handle?
I've seen videos of these stock motors handle 5000 watts with no problem but who knows how long they last
@chrisMc1972 I actually tried putting 3.5-4k into it and I don't think it liked it. One of the wires inside got loose which means there was a whole lot of heat in there
Do you get more speed by upping the voltage without changing the motor?
Is that the factory rear fender ?
Hmmm What about the motor? What do u have?
the motor is a hentach geared hub, very similar to Bafang.
@@NPLVentures cool. How many watts?
@@roger3958 750watt
what mirror is that?
Samsung 21700 50s are amazing cells,I built one battery pack for my ariel rider, I'm not buying Chinese battery anymore, I prefer to spend on good quality cells,expensive but better.
Agree, they perform better, last much longer, and are safer.
so is the stock battery no longer being used?
Can you run the phaserunner without a display?
Why don't you use Regen on Phaserunner? You would not have to get better takes and would save on brake pads. I have a 1000w Bafang geared hub motor and Grin has video on locking the clutch for Regen. Works great Regen is the way to go.
Does regen work with that geared motor? I don’t think so
@@DriverJ-N Yes if you lock the clutch. Grin technologies has a video on TH-cam that shows how to lock a clutch on a geared motor. It is relatively easy to do.
@@rufusirvin5279 at 3000w, it might be too much total heat for that motor
how tall are u man?
next up slap on cyc motor
Can I use a standard 750w bafang motor with a 72v or 60v battery and 40amp controller? Would it be even worth it without swapping motors? Thanks!
Nevermind I bought a new 5000w motor controller and 72v battery!! 50mph here I come.
@@roger3958where u get it?
isn't this bike a 750W 48V motor? did you change the motor or just hope it don't burn?
He is still using the stock 750watt motor.. It will burn if he keeps riding at 40mph +
@@spootnik00 that's exactly my though
How far can you go on pas only
@nplventures
I want to ask your option on which bike you recommend since you have experience with the P-51 Bullet and the Raev Bullet GT.
I have never owned an e-bike and I am 6’1” and 250 lbs.
I am interested in buying the new Raev Bullet GTS or the P-51 Bullet. The Raev bikes look so small (short) in the pictures compared to the P-51. But, it’s hard to tell not seeing either of them in person, what do you think?
Thanks
You’re correct. The RAEV is low and compact. The p-51 is “regular” size and would fit a 6ft+ person much better in my opinion.
@@NPLVentures thanks for the reply
I want to learn
💯‼️
So if i got this right, you are using stock 750w motor with 72v and phaserunner and youre doing 40mph+?
pretty much nailed it
@@NPLVenturesbut how? Arent these motors rated nominal and peak no
Matter the voltage? Could you explain more? Is it harmful for the motor?
Very nice, but I can’t call that a build. It’s a upgrade. Would be nice if you bought a frame, wheels, motor etc and put it together
Received my P-51 and must admit it's speed is underwhelming. Once my Ghostcat 1500 watt, 52 volt battery arrives I'll be selling the P-51. Actually like and prefer my Fucare Scorpio full suspension fat tire bike better and tops out at 34mph with no effort in PAS 5 mode and will blow the stock P-51 away.
Going to a fardriver would give faster acceleration
Keep aware of heat in motor
monitoring it closely. So far completely healthy ranges
one of the good reasons to use grin gear. Constant motor/controller temp data.
Finally you got something better than that utterly terrible folding bike.
Looks terrible now with all the clatter in the middle
3200 watts for 40mph? That’s not efficient
what is this the 80s
85 baby best year round !!!! I was born !!!😅😂😊😢🎉
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Seems ridiculously expensive for a little kid’s mini bike. Still don’t understand the styling and tiny wheels, but to each his own.
Hater fr🙏😭
@@LucidMartini76frrrrrr 😭🙏
When obtuse one may need to pay for gas, insurance and tabs a hundred or more times before a reason occurs to them.
You being a finance guy. I'm really surprised you're still into the ebike thing. Right there with everything, that's about 5 grand. For something no insurance company will insure, operates in a legal grey area (that's going to be a lot less grey by this time next year), with a range of about 50 miles and a recharge time of 4 hours if you drop another $380 for a cycle satiator. 5380 total, uninsurable investment with absolutely zero utility.
You can buy a Vespa 150 for $5299 listed price before negotiation from several dealers online. It has a top speed of about 60 mph, 200 miles of range per tank, great suspension, is insurable by everybody (and as cheap as I've been paying velosurance for the insurance on my Dad Power Bike that is now just sitting collecting dust in my office), can be refueled in under 3 minutes for another 200 miles of range for about 5 dollars, can carry 60.3 cubic inches of cargo under the seat, can carry 2 people, comes with turn signals, an LED headlight with high beam, has ABS brakes in the front on an anti dive front suspension, and can be resold for high resale since they are considered iconic collectors items. All with the same "twist and go" fun.
After putting 2000 miles on my ebike last year, I just find myself thinking that Ebikes at their best can only ever be, the worst scooter anyone could ever soak money into.
I see what u are saying but have u looked at the benefits of an ebike I wouldn’t want a Vespa 150 over an ebike… the pros of e-bikes are quiet low maintenance and can go most places heavier vehicles like the Vespa can’t… I mean u had an ebike for 2000 miles .. u should know the pros other than speed and distance …
@@DriverJ-N When you consider the "can go most places heavier vehicles like the Vespa can’t" when talking about a 72v ebike. You're talking about "the places I can illegally ride something on the sidewalk or bike lane". A vespa can go in both of those places illegally too. It's exactly those arguments that currently caused a bill making its way through the legislature in California that bans kids under 12 from riding an ebike, requires an ebike license that will have a test under 16, then requires a drivers license to have on the road. Same for New Mexico which banned everything except class one from all multi use trails and the moped laws which require a mechanically (not software) limited top speed of 30mph that cannot be modified or removed by the rider in any way.
That is the legal grey area that wont be so grey everywhere else once that CA law ends up getting signed by Governor Newsom (the bill has his support so that's a done deal).
@@cerebrix u are in control of where u bring your ebike.. not everyone with a 72v + ebike are going to do illegal things with it... a vespa on a sidewalk will attract attention and cops will stop u .. ebikes? people will care less especially if u are going normal bicycle speeds.. i live in Texas so cops don't really care where I ride wether its the sidewalk, road, bike lane, on grass they don't care aslong as im not going 40 mph on the sidewalk.. now if i was on a vespa we both know that story would be different even if i was going 5mph lol ... and if i was in Cali i would obey the law even if my bike was a 72v ebike like this one
@@DriverJ-N Texas. THATS why you're missing the point. uggh
Cerebrix, of course you are correct but don't expect others to understand. For the type of riding NPL does, a motor scooter...Vespa, Honda Grom, Honda Trail would be MUCH better. This guy is always playing in traffic with an underpowered ebike when a 125cc motor would be much better. That said, there is a place for ebikes...in particular if fitness is the objective. I own two 2000w ebikes I built...but I use them for fitness riding and recreation. If you want a scooter whereby you don't pedal, gas is the way to go. 50-60 mph on secondary roads...can keep up with cars and 100mpg+ and fill up on any street corner...and more fun.
Could I keep the 52v stock controller and add a Grin Tech 750w motor to a 26x4in front wheel and blend a 48v 20 amp hr battery (Powered Lithium equal in size to stock battery) as well as ful twist throttle? Can you see problems with blending display, throttle and batteries? I'd ask Grin Tech to basically blue print a kit) I'd want to use 2 brackets on 4 screws just above crank for mounting brackets. Would I need to get a different display (controller) or would I be better off upgrading to 72v controller system? I'm wanting to keep stock display and 52v controller if possible? Thanks Tod
And we get a grand total of? $$$ for the bike & the upgrade?
Maybe 5k all n all
@@mississippisoldier3699 IMHO i don't get the point, instead i would get a talaria 3x that bring you more performance @stock for cheaper and still good quality.
@@nawaknimp I guess he really wanted that frame and will probably have to add another 1k once he burns his 750w motor
@@nawaknimp It's not about the power but the look & feel of the ride
@@spootnik00 so? if he intended to upgrade the hub drive at a later time I would do the same