Dying, Death and Beyond - Satish Kumar & Rupert Sheldrake, interviewed by Guy Hayward
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Join Satish Kumar and Rupert Sheldrake in an expansive conversation covering death, reincarnation, the afterlife, cycles, intentional dying, NDEs and more. Hosted by Guy Hayward, this discussion delves into personal memories, cultural practices, and philosophical views on death and what lies beyond. Interview questions were designed in collaboration with death doula Sierra Campbell. Video recorded in Hampstead, London, Dec 7, 2023, by Leslie Knott (Tiger Nest Films), with audio editing by Lucy Martens.
@rupertsheldrake @resurgencetrust @drguyhayward @pilgrimtrust @choosenurture @leslieanncharlotte @lucylnmartens
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:46 Earliest memories of death in your life?
00:02:35 Rupert’s childhood memories
00:05:00 Satish’s childhood memories
00:07:20 Jain monkhood as an answer to death for Satish
00:09:42 Fasting to death in Jainism
00:12:27 Practical details of fasting to death
00:15:05 Death in Atheism and Christianity (Rupert)
00:17:40 Is reincarnation a good thing?
00:18:56 Celebrating death, or at least not fearing
00:20:51 When did Rupert stop fearing death?
00:21:56 Praying the Hail Mary, and to saints and angels to confront death
00:23:57 Natural world is not linear, it’s cyclic, and so we are reincarnated?
00:26:35 Christian linear view of life and death
00:28:44 Universe expanding and contracting, or expanding into light?
00:30:30 Is the spiral a way of understanding evolutionary reincarnation?
00:30:52 What does a good death look like in earthly terms?
00:31:20 Satish: Abolish care homes!
00:32:48 Satish: being with all my friends are my family, and my family, friends!
00:33:50 Rupert: prefers to die at home and possibly alone
00:36:00 What practical arrangements have you made for if your death process is not ideal?
00:37:40 Have you already had any near-death or death-like experiences?
00:38:20 Satish: Dreams connected with water and drowning
00:38:50 Hell or heaven in Jain tradition is a state of mind, not a physical place
00:39:20 Rupert: Tibetan belief in intermediary state of bardo
00:40:25 Christianity’s Last Judgement and the Afterlife Dream Hypothesis
00:42:00 Hell as Nightmare, Purgatory as a dream with good and bad life ordinary life
00:43:25 Satish: No need to worry what happens after life
00:44:50 Is the best preparation for death to connect to nature, soil and society? Looking after our home for when we return.
00:47:27 Live a good life now, love your enemy, and you’ll be fine in death
00:48:32 Do Rupert and Satish have teachers who have taught you about death? Vinoba and Fr Bede Griffiths
00:54:10 Did Rupert have any death-like experiences in his life?
00:55:48 Psychedelics as providing near-death-like experiences with LSD and DMT
00:57:10 Do you have any fears of death or the dying process?
00:58:20 Not to anticipate problems before they arrive
00:58:50 Practising Gratitude to Soil, Water, Teachers, Indigenous People
00:59:50 Satish’s teacher Vinoba fasting to die with 30,000 people visiting him lying in state, alive!
01:02:00 Would you change how you lived in any way if you found out you had 6 months to live?
01:02:48 What is the greatest gift from your life that you can pass to the listeners to help them on their journey towards death/life?
01:04:15 Rupert: In agreement with Satish about gratitude and pilgrimage
01:08:00: Wrap-up by Guy
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Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University, as a Fellow of Clare College, he was Director of Studies in biochemistry and cell biology. As the Rosenheim Research Fellow of the Royal Society, he carried out research on the development of plants and the ageing of cells, and together with Philip Rubery discovered the mechanism of polar auxin transport. In India, he was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics, where he helped develop new cropping systems now widely used by farmers. He is the author of more than 100 papers in peer-reviewed journals and his research contributions have been widely recognized by the academic community, earning him a notable h-index for numerous citations. On ResearchGate his Research Interest Score puts him among the top 4% of scientists.
www.sheldrake.org
Rupert Sheldrake and Jill Sheldrake have been so important to me for imparting their grace, wisdom and sheer constant goodness.
My love to Mr Sheldrake and his family, your work is a blessing to mankind.
I cannot express how grateful I am for this conversation. 🌀👏
Sheldrake rocks✊️✌️
What a joy it is to perceive Satish Kumar´s energy. 💙🙏 By the way, Thank you very much for this Rupert and Satish.
What a beautiful conversation! Thank you all 🙏🏻
Feeling a lot of gratitude having heard this conversation. Deepest respect to you Rupert and Satish and thank you to guy for initiating it.
Rupert is so funny,I love him and his totally relaxed manner.
So wise,the world would miss him,and so would I.❤
I enjoy these dialogues Rupert, they are much appreciated and thought provoking.
Lovely conversation. Much appreciated. 💫
yes thank you, please record as many of your conversations as you can!
The concept of fasting to death fascinates me.
You may be insane then.
@@OrgusDin Why?
@@rachelcoleman4693 Maybe try being fascinated by life instead of being another creepy death cultist, no idea what is wrong with all of you in specific.
@@OrgusDin I never said that I'm not fascinated by life. I'm far from a death cultist. Try not being presumptuous.
@@rachelcoleman4693 Try not being a creepy mentally ill freak that says creepy stuff like the OP, and never presume you can even suggest what I should do in any case, or at least do not believe for a second I would consider listening to you.
This was beautiful thank you for having this conversation.
It is always nice to get a reason for this embodiment, this conversation is one of those. I bless you with all of my heart. Thank you
Most excellent discussion. Mil gracias. So inspiring to see and hear such grace in conversations !
Yes , I have much gratitude 🙏 for being able to hear this conversation ❤️.
Thank you all again for this conversation. The living of life and death with all cultures and religious beliefs, transforms our understanding to love. Why fear death? Awareness of breath until its last moment.
Seconds and inches, walking in grace with all nature and lighthouses full of light.
With the deepest reverence and appreciation for your journeys you have shared and experienced.
🙏❤️🌍🌎🌏🌿🕊🎵🎶🎶
✨️💫✨️💫✨️💫✨️💫✨️💫
Because life is better and you are a weird cultist.
A lovely chat. But i can't help wondering who on earth would want to murder Rupert?
A beautiful and helpful conversation. Thank you
Matthew 10:28 reads, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell".
I never read your shit book.
Laughing at the title, admin really said "💀"
Awww he changed it.
Gracias 🙏
Mr Sheldraake, no mention of J. Krishnamurti, that surprises me, considering the amount of time you spent with him. No wonder he cried on his death bed, not because he was dying, because he felt he had failed to communicate the teachings that would've freed mankind.
Not Jiddu, K.?
@@bertibear1300Yes, Jiddu Krishnamurti.
We are eternal. Please read and consider a little poem that I composed some fifty years ago, I am 86 now. The title is : ETERNITY. I have been the sky and I have been the sea, I have been the wind and I have been the tree. This is why I know that I was, that I am and that after I die, through the atoms of my body in million forms and millions of millennia, I will always be. Thank you.
nice cope old man
❤👍
Happy birthday Rupert.
Beautiful ❤️ video
In the Islamic tradition it is prohibited to kill yourself (suicide bombing is not Islamic-in fact, it was originally inspired by the Tamil Tigers-and was condemned by the consensus of Muslims) while on the other hand you should also pray to God for a good end (death) to your life. The life of this world is a place to prepare for the afterlife and get as near to God in this life as you can, and to be as good a person as you can which you will see the fruits of in the afterlife.
You or what is you is a spirit (physical state is the assumed unusual state, the soul/conscious inhabits to experience this physical created reality) to a spirit there is
no walls, buildings, cars, etc. etc, it's all fields of energy atoms in patterns to spirits not physical. That's why ghost seen by humans walk though walls or walk into a
mountain.
It would be a good cope if there were such a thing or if ghosts existed.
Glastonbury tor is a special place of pilgrimage for me.. Patrick
Der Wissensschatz hier ist atemberaubend. Es ist, als hätte man Zugriff auf eine virtuelle Fachbibliothek.😚
Don't die holding on to fear, anger or hate, if possible. This does not make for a good experience in the astral after you pass over. You will all incarnate again, but how where and when will be decided within the astral afterwards.
proof any of that is ever happening or real? any proof at all? none exists? thought so.
You can't destroy consciousness. But you can introduce it into another being.
I am playing with the idea that, since the universe is based on consciousness, perhaps we get what we believe. Or, what we want.
Better description is this human existence is the anomaly, not the other way around!
proof?
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The key is realizing your natural state is spirit your life on earth is to show you get it. Chasing after power or excess wealth in other words greed signs your damnation
when your time here is up!
It's almost like the entire point of your religion is to make you a pliant slave for the benefit of the people that write the religious texts, based on how it advocates for you to be poor and pathetic.
The resurrection is of the Mind. And allegorically is the return of the Sun to the Northern Hemisphere. As Abive, Si Below.
Life involves consuming some other creature. Life is a densely physical reality. The afterlife is a spiritual experience that does not involve killing and consuming other creatures.
That’s it really . We are it all
If you're been waiting to die, prepare to find out you should have been thinking about how to live forever
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The "Book of the Dead" is about us here, alive on Earth, and about the death from our Spiritual selves.
didn't read lol
Death is an illusion b cuz tyme is an illusion
how much time did it take you to come up with that cope?
Interesting that nobody in this interview talked about the death of other types of life - only human.
Rupert literally talks about the deaths of animals as one of his key formative moments on the subject...
Humans literally are animals, especially any of them that don't realize that somehow.
I will fast for life, and i will fast for death. Gratitude will remain. Peace will last.
I'll eat steaks til the last second I can and feel entitled to substantially more time alive, why would you be grateful? To who? For what?
@@OrgusDin for and to that which #physicalism refers to as "Nature" so to improve health(span). Absence of an attitude of gratitude accelerates rate of biological aging and onset of aging associated diseases.
@@MasoudJohnAzizi Nature is great when it is enabling humanity and our purposes and our desires tbh. I like that guy. My only complaint is it isn't literally perfect, and thus I must ask that the universe go back and do it again but right this time tbh. That's as gracious as I'm going to get I think, regardless.
@@OrgusDin That's a great start. That which you experience as reality (or the universe) unfolds itself for you only as a function of your aim(s). Accordingly, if you want to experience "perfect reality" you must manifest through your thoughts, words and actions "perfect aim(s)".
The only problem is that nobody has proofs for his theory
Guess the skull emoji wasn’t serious enough for the topic at hand.
aren't offspring the result of our seeds ? they come as we go ? it's not one seed over and over.
Note to the admirable genius Dr. Rupert Sheldrake: "Collective narcissistic systems" promote suicide through various means (bombs, fasting, etc.)... I don't think such behavior is healthy for reasons that render suicide pathological. We should join forces to understand and reverse biological aging and death, rather than glorifying "fasting to death". Best wishes, -MJA.
Exactly, mortality is just a mistake of replicating dna being imperfect in nature.
@@OrgusDin Indeed.
I'm not religious, but I am not an atheist. I dont believe in god, I believe in the cosmos. I have always looked at the Resurrection as an opportunity to contemplate death, on a level so that once understood that this is your only life, to enjoy life to the end. No matter how dark or evil it may seem. From it I understood death, darkness, evil, or good are simply shades of the same thing. ALL is good. So the Resurrection is a choice, not everyone will fully understand or partake in. The freemasons do the same thing. The first 3 degrees are the teaching of death and a resurrection.
All isn't good, there's evil all over the place, you're literally deluding yourself to cope and that's it.
Imagine admitting to literally being a cultist in the youtube comments btw.
Nay, we have an answer. Some One died, He was the Truth, & can't lie. His words and bodily resurrection are answers. People ate with Him and touched him, and DIED for their testimony which they MIGHT HAVE RECANTED & avoided a death by torture.
Just because some schizo says he can't lie doesn't mean he's actually telling the truth about that or anything.
No one would argue that, however we can still talk about issues such as this without anyone telling us how it is.
@@LP-ct6xe A lot of people would argue with the nonsense that is the bibble and everything in it, obviously low IQ christians have historically reacted poorly and enacted every measure to stop such thinking, but despite that their god still isn't real.
@@LP-ct6xe Yes.
Ah, don’t worry about
Cuckoos in a nest
none for me thanks
Why not? 🙂
@@oneoflokis not my scene, more of a life guy
@@OrgusDin Good for you! 🙂
@@oneoflokis I'm such a life guy I should be immortal tbh.
@@OrgusDinlife is the other side of the same coin death is on.
we are a result of geochemistry + biochemistry and that is all that it is. after death it is all over. There is Nothing left.
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Maybe you are.
That's a metaphysical argument.
We are Energy too....
Gee were you conceived in a petri dish? Chemistry really? I am going to tell you the truth which you won't listen to and that's truly tragic because what I will describe will happen to you, yes you, chemistry boy. When you die, you'll descend into a pit and you will be terrified and no one will hear you screaming as you descend and descend into a putrid burning place and you'll wish you hadn't sneered at those who were trying to warn you, this world is just a facade hiding a very horrible place, Jesus suffered a lot to save you from that fate but you're too smart to listen. Too bad for you.
Mary mother if God. How inverted.
not inverted, infinite
@@sjain8111 Rubbish. There core of catholicism is so inverted = satanic.
@@mcdk72 Without the best part of a millennium of Catholicism in Western Europe there would be no Protestant reformation. Catholicism came out of the society of the time... just as the reformation came out of early Modernity.
@@WH-hi5ew And without any abrahamic bs we would be in another galaxy by now.