I didn’t get the black best friend feel from Mollie. I was a bit worried at first since I’m a black woman and I’m always wary of that trope or the sassy black woman trope. But once she went from being “my white best friend is dumb” to actively trying to find her and then saving her life I think it subverted the trope nicely. Noa would have most likely died if Mollie hadn’t been there at the end and I loved that
As a fellow Black woman horror and film nerd, I think what made this different than the Magical Negro trope is that we actually get to know Mollie as her own character with her own story, rather than her just being added to scenes to establish that the main character has a BFF, and then not seeing her at all until the end when she deus-ex-machinas the movie and saves her bestie. Very well done
Also when Noa has a chance to escape the first thing she does is go save Mollie. So their friendship didn’t feel one sided. They were both willing to go into dangerous situations to save the other. Mollie’s life and safety being presented as just as important as Noa’s is part of what kept it out of the stereotypical black best friend category.
All of y'all are so right. She's not the Black Best Friend, she's the best friend who is loved and appreciated as much as she loves and appreciates Noa. It's more like sisterhood than friendship and I love it
One of my favorite parts about the movie is Noa, Mollie, and Penny escaping and how they all worked so hard to protect each other and make sure they all got out. Like, Penny basically doesn’t even know Noa and Mollie, and tbh, I wouldn’t blame her if she was solely focused on escaping while Noa and Mollie fought off Steve, because the idea of facing the person who *amputated your leg* must be terrifying. But no, she was right there with them helping take Steve down. At one point, you can even see her in the forest background crawling to help. And then Mollie being a literal ride or die for Noa and both of them just doing the most to keep each other safe, and Mollie carrying Penny because she can’t walk, and Noa making sure they get Penny out when she really could’ve just left her. Like damn, just seeing that teamwork made me proud.
I think the idea of shared trauma comes into it. People bond over shared experiences, both positive or negative. They may have not had much of a personal attachment but they've had an experience between them that will last.
@@brockollirob3812 This was one of the few complaints I had as well. The lack of double tap logic or taking advantage of Steve when he's borderline defenseless frustrated me a bit.
Well they did beat him really bad and kill him in the woods- in the end it was the wife that was the last threat that Mollie needed to come back and save Noa from when they thought they were in the clear. But you're right he did chase them a bit in the forest when he should'a been dead in the kitchen
@@teksnotdead902tbh when watching it I thought they did kill him with the multiple hits to the head via meat tenderizer lol, followed by the healthy kick to the face
Something I keep coming back to is how Chad gives that greasy speech about how "women used to be more dedicated to femininity" and how Noah "would look great in a dress" and then later Steve, who is brought in as the good love interest after Chad in the rom-com beginning, dresses her up in a pink dress with a big-ass bow on the chest
What I find the most interesting is that the imprisonment of the women "Steve" is butchering in the basement is almost a symbolism for abusive relationships. Melissa, Penny, and Noa all being in different stages mentally, suffering from the abuse from a man. At one point Penny is explaining to Noa that Melissa has lost her mind, and she says: "She's gone crazy. I don't blame her, no judgement here. I understand." As if Melissa is a woman so far mentally gone because the torture she underdured, and Penny being in the middle of process, knows that hopeless feeling. Noa even seeks to ask them how they can get out and who will help them, Penny responding saying that there is no one. Reminds me of how abusers will isolate and target vulnerable people. Just my take but i love how this movie is symbolic of SO MANY different experiences of women.
Damn I never thought a movie about imprisoning and killing and eating women could have anything to do with abusing women, but you luckily shed light on it for me thank you
Steve being sloppy makes since to me. The more criminals commit a crime, especially killers, they get more blunt, hide their tracks less, and more show off. It's cause they want to show off to the police that they are smarter and more clever than others. I totally believe Steve thinks the same way
Yeah, the pictures that we see on his wifes Facebook account seem relatively recent as they both look the same. So by that point he's been doing this for well over decade, if not decades. It's like you said, at some point once someone has managed to get away with a crime long enough they start to convince themselves that they're invincible, so they don't think that they need to be as careful. You can also see this with him actually paying for his and Noa's drinks with a credit card, which allowed Mollie to track him. Something you always hear from criminals on crime shows is that you always pay with cash. But paying by credit card, or sending someone a picture that could be reverse image searched is something that he's likely done many times, and that's never resulted in him getting caught. That's also what just makes him a scarier characters. Especially when you know of real crime cases where people have acted similarly. Where they've gotten away for it for so long that they're actually able to live their life in a completely normal way.
I also found it interesting that the guys thought it was weird that he was selling their hair even tho human hair wigs can be multiple thousands of pounds
I just assume he's just comfortable. Like he knows he's gotten away with it for so long he's just like oh the system works I have nothing to worry about.
@@PoppyL99 Also not all Killers get cocky. I mean watch Mind Hunter or look up known killers and most of them refine their kills more and more as they go on. Best chance to catch most of them is at the very start when they are sloppy and don't really have a system in place. I mean killers like Ed Kemper only got caught because they turned themselves in to the police.
@@PoppyL99Right, I agree with you moreso than he's being a bit of a showman. I think it's more overconfidence and like you said he's gotten away with it for so long he doesn't think he has to be as careful as before.
@@Taru1blm then why did the lady that cleaned Paul Allen's apartment seem scared when Patrick said he knew what happened there? It's certainly possible that nothing happened, but don't push your fan theory onto others no matter how popular it is.
The movie takes place in Portland. You see that as the location on the dating app and then when the bartender looks at Molly’s location the map is Portland. And as a portlander it’s adds a lot to it that his murder house is up in forest park where all the super wealthy portlanders live.
As a vancouverite it was really weird to see that they filmed it right in my city because even though the film took place there, I easily recognized the landmarks and and stuff
For my late husband, his foot fetish was more about touching and smelling feet. the first time we ever messed around, no matter what position we were in or how awkward it was physically, he had his hands on one or both of my feet the entire time. I didn't know about his fetish at that time but I remember thinking wow he's really touching my feet a lot... Then like a year into our marriage he asked me to wear the same pair of socks two days in a row bc he said that would get them to the perfect smell. I was mortified and I was too embarrassed so I refused. Then about a year after that, about two and a half years into our marriage he died in a very sudden accident at work. So let that be a lesson to you. Life is short. Let your spouse smell your feet.
I didn't read the word "late" at first, so the climax came so unexpected. Like WOAH. I love how you presented the entire thing with humor though involving loss as well lol. Hopefully you are doing great now and RIP to your husband. Take care.
A better lesson would be to tell your future spouse/partner before they commit to a life with you in case they don't want to accommodate your fetish. Its not cool to spring that on someone after you're already married
@@tanjabuchholz5314I understand your point. But the commenter was clearly joking. No need to take that too seriously. And her partner doesn’t have to tell her everything. He simply asked and she refused. Nothing about that was wrong.
horror movies have been killing it recently. can't wait for you guys to cover the new a24 movie X! its so thematically similar to texas chainsaw massacre.
@@jakejancook no it feels inspired by Texas chainsaw with a lot of homages but is still super original and feels somewhat similar while very different at the same, I would 100% recommend it
I’m SO GLAD you guys caught the “I love you more” thing. Every TH-cam review I have seen (all reviews by men, might I add) never catch that and it kills me! I have found that most of the time women are more in tune with peoples responses and the details of it, especially in the context of dating. We have to over analyze everything to feel safe.
I don’t necessarily think it’s that people didn’t notice it, I think it’s more that they didn’t feel the need to mention it in a short-form review since it’s a small part of the plot
@@joeertman I mean yeah I get that. But I do actually think it’s important cause it was that light bulbs moment for Molly to know she something wasn’t right and had to search the image and look into where Noah is. All the other reviews are skip over it, but imo it’s an important detail. I get why people wouldn’t find it necessary tho
@@dustedneonlight yeah I definitely agree it’s important to the plot I just also think that the reason you may not have heard people mention it is cuz they would be talking more abt what they like/dislike in a movie whereas James and Chelsea do that along with plot summary so it makes more sense to bring it up
59:55 Yep, it's called "No, Mr. Bond, I Expect You to Dine." The villain treats the usually captive hero to dinner, often giving them fine attire for the occasion. Famous examples like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Pirates of the Caribbean and most of the Bond movies
@@garmen- What you do is: Have the rom-com going on in the foreground, while every now and then you see Seb Stan just dragging a body in the background.
Sebastian Stan as the Winter Soldier changed my life. Reminded me of a time when I was in rehab for a year, and they held us under water against our will and left in -10 degree temperature naked in stone rooms without mattresses for 3 days at a time, 3 pieces of bread for food per day. I came out like him from WS, didn't want to talk to anyone, struggled with relationships in my life, never opened up to people. But the guy remembered who he was. He really inspired me through that. Fortunately the guy that did that to us has gone to prison but still left an anger inside of my heart that has never left completely.
Ever since Chelsea said that American Psycho was one of her favorite horror movies, I've been on pins and needles waiting for some great Dead Meat media about it. Totally looking forward to the Kill Count on it, and I hope that there's an accompanying deep dive podcast episode on it, à la The Texas Chain Saw Massacre.
I loved Fresh. And I love you guys! You’ve reignited my love for horror movies these last couple of months. Kill counts are fun to watch right after a viewing and I often listen to the podcast while cooking. Keep up keeping up!
Based on the map that Paul looks at when he realizes Mollie is missing, I definitely think they are in Oregon. 100% looks like a map of Portland and would make sense with all of the trees, the waterfall photo and the east coast comment.
I went into this movie knowing absolutely nothing except that it was a horror. By the opening credits I was hooked but very worried about where it was going to go (I've seen too many surprise sexual assault films), but seeing female names for the director and writer calmed my anxiety and I kept watching and I'm so glad I did! Thanks to you guys for bringing this movie to my attention (I saw the thumbnail and went to watch it so I could hear your opinions)!
I'm in Canada and not only does Disney+ have this movie, they have No Exit, The Omen series, Alien series, Predator series, Jennifer's Body, The Fly, Ready or Not, and many more.
Daisy Edgar Jones is very under-rated, she's up and coming with huge potential... She did have to do an Irish accent for "Normal People," which in itself is an incredible miniseries (Highly recommend a watch if you haven't, both main actors are incredible!!!). She's also in another TV series called "War of The Worlds" where it's a very strange series, and she's near enough the lead again in a huge cast of varied languages (It's not like the older "War of The Worlds" it's a different take on it) - She does alright based on the storyline that is very meh the more it went on (2 series of that so far of 10 lots of episodes) - Recommend Series 1, not so much Series 2! Women are fucking killing it, it's awesome!!!!
I am curious if the girl that wrote the note is the magazine was the wife. When they look at the photos of the victims, Sami's photo has her face obscured by her hair. So you have no idea what she looks like. And that is the only photo like that. So it seems to be done on purpose. It makes me want to lean with Ann being Sami.
I went in knowing zero about this movie and it was amazing. My sister watched it and told me not to even look it up. Glad she did. That first half hour had me thinking one thing and then the real movie happens. Insane!
ALSO with that reflection shot, and it might just be me, but knowing what we know it seems like the shot of her through the mirror was meant to show us a bit of Steve's perspective. He's only pretending to get close with her but I feel like that shot was to show how he was observing her, like a sort of quality check but also to know how to play her into his trap next. We see Steve's upper body and only lower portion of his face, which is a bit out of focus for this shot, so it's not quite a pov but it keeps him in the back of your mind (peripheral view in this case) while the focus is on Noah, but on her externally. Not making eye contact with the camera and also him wearing red and her blue. The contrast and underlying associations keep you as the viewer on your toes juuuuust enough while they feel the growing intimacy. Just my thoughts and I know its tldr A WHOLE YEAR LATER, but it fascinated me enough to want to talk about anyway 😅
Also also, the ugly dress I think was done on purpose. Like, obviously, it's a movie but I mean on Steve's part. Man KNOWS how to appeal to women and what they do in some cases to try and appeal back. I feel like he had the impression that this might in some part be "too good to be true" and if she said she loved the dress, even as uncoordinated as it is with those sneakers, he'd know she was acting. Her pleasant enough but unemotionally committed response was enough to be honest but kind.
The scene with Paul annoyed me so much, although I do understand the fact that having a man save the day would have been bad. It' just the fact that he didn't even call the police that annoyed me so badly omg, and the fact that IRL , men rarely ever act to help women who are victims of another man. I unfortunately saw that a lot growing up in abusive families, so that secene really bothered me.
I loved Fresh ^_^ I'd only seen one trailer when i went in and it just looked like it was a obsessive boyfriend kinda thing so the cannibalism stuff took me by surprise which was an added bonus!
It is amazing that so many horror movies have been released the last year and a bit but with work and studies it is a bit overwhelming narrowing down the actual good ones to watch. After seeing your tweets about this and getting a few minutes in (and finding out it was on disney plus lol) I watched it tonight after finishing my final business law exam ever and it was great- what I wanted to see and how I wanted to see it play out, but it still managed to surprise me a few times! And gorgeous to watch- we love orange
So excited that y'all covered this! I can't lie this is my comfort podcast I always end up listening to the episodes twice because I fall asleep and want to hear the whole thing! Cannot wait for the American Psycho Kill Count!
I think the end credits scene with the raw meat in the middle, the spreading pool of blood and the group of billionaires around it implies that all they did was cut off one head of the hydra. Steve and his complicit wife are dead but the shadowy underbelly of oligarchs who demand this cannibal delivery still exists and Steve can't be their only supplier. It implies there will always be more evil men out there, even when you snuff out one. In my mind the wife reminds me of women who enable husbands who are neo Nazis or white supremacist's, she's complicit in what Steve is doing, and at first it was for her own survival, but she's grown accustomed to this rich lifestyle and would throw another woman under the bus to preserve it. I think the reason Steve mostly doesn't sleep with these women is because it would humanize them and he sees them as meat or cattle. There's a lot of layers to this movie that add a dark satire that really makes it stand out from other cannibal movies.
I am a simple woman. I see a new Dead Meat Podcast, I click. Thanks for covering this movie. I never thought I would find a movie where people are hacked and eaten charming.
Seeing the boob eating scene made me think of the brain eating scene from Hannibal. Fun podcast as always y'all. Looking forward to all the new stuff this month B~)
Sebastian is the Patrick Bateman from the books loved what they did with his character in this movie, not upset that she went for his meat balls in the end xDlol
I did watch this movie on Disney+ actually (I'm in Europe) and I also loved that I could watch this movie on there. Ready or Not is also on there which I know you guys love ... and American frigging Horror Story, like whut. Loved all of them btw
I kind of took the fact that Penny didn't have more removed was that the way that he was selling the meat was that the client would choose who they wanted to eat. Also healing takes a while, so it could be that he wants the victims to not be on any medications which could affect the quality
I recently watched Attachment, which is a great movie that smoothly transitions from romcom, to psychological horror, to supernatural horror, and back to romance.
This is how I love spending my Easter morning. Absolutely loved this film and I’m so glad you’re doing a podcast on it. It gave me a lot of Hannibal (the tv show) vibes, being about cannibalism and shot in an overly stylised way.
I just watched the movie today (Monday,April 18) and really it was great but one insane thing out of the blue for me as a Marvel Meta fan, Sebastian Stan's character's name is Steve and he wears blue turtlenecks. Basically a combination of Chris Evans and Tom Hiddleston that is a reincarnation of Hannibal Lecter but beautifully well crafted by the director. How insane is that other than the Title card coming in after 30 minutes of the opening
As Someone who loves Sebastian Stan, He really Killed This role and the girl who played noa did fantastic as well, and I really liked the Best friend and the cashier guy who helped catch him.
This was one of my favorite horror movies in a long time. I’m so glad I took you guys’ recommendation and watched it before listening to the podcast! Great discussion/episode as usual! (:
Did anyone else not get a notification for this video? It just started playing through auto play and I was like, "Oh is this a new podcast?" I checked my notifs box and it wasn't there. Anyways this was such a great listen, loved the podcast like always.
I wish theyd get just a comfy couch .. I feel like the chairs look uncomfortable which makes me uncomfortable. Lol. The background is amazing of course!
I like to listen to these podcasts while I sew, I was just going to listen to one of the older episodes when this released. A blessing from the lord! The new set is amazing!
I think, when the wife told the ponytail guy to sell the meat, that post credit scene are the people feasting on their new purchase … which would explain why ponytail man disappeared
Yay another podcast! I came for the kill counts but stayed for the podcast. I love discussing films after watching them, problem is no one around me is interested lol which is why I love to hear u guys talk about it and hear what u thought of the movie!
watched this absolutely blind. didn't even know sebastian stan was in it. i was also drinking whisky, so i had an incredible time talking at my tv and cheering when characters were smart. also holy shit was that a positive reference to attack of the clones? good people
My girlfriend and I love the movie Heathers- with the trailer, I think we thought the two main characters would have a JD and Veronica adjacent relationship! Would have been fun to see a little more snark- but I definitely approve of uh, not that much romance considering the situation 😬 (cannibalism)
regarding his wife - i don't think she was a former victim, i think that turning the cannibalism into a business was her idea. i got the impression they'd been together from a very young age (since he mentions having started eating people at 19, i thought maybe while he was in medical school) and she'd eventually given her leg up. the personal touches he added to each meat package and the fact that i think she says to the driver to put his body on ice makes me think she was running the business end of things even if she didn't participate in eating humans herself.
I initially thought the Asian guy she's with at the end was, her boss or connection to a static organisation, but she does say 'we should put him on ice' suggesting she's the higher up potentially I do think however. She seemed worried over the aging of her face, kinda signaled for the friend to leave her house as husband arrived, is missing a limb, and I got the impression he was prepared to replace his wife which makes it plausible his previous wife was a victim too
I'm certainly on the side that she was a previous victim. When he mentions that he started eating people at 19 he also mentions how it was a part of him that he couldn't share with anyone else. While obviously he's not going to bring up his wife if she were around back then, the feeling I got is that Noa had gotten him to drop his guard and he was being genuine there. He goes on to explain how started looking around to see if there were others like him and that's where the business came from. So I think that Ann got in good with him by convincing him that she'd help him with that business. And an extra element that she could add is that women often trust other women (this is what she was counting on at the end with Noa), so she could act as bait for more victims for him. In return she'd get to keep her life. There are a lot of real life stories of women helping men by luring in women for them to abuse/kill. I do agree with you on the idea that she didn't eat people. And that's why Noa's angle worked so well. His real passion was eating people, and he just managed to turn that into a business. Finding someone who also liked to do that was even more desirable than what he had with Ann. Of course Noa was just trying to get him to drop his guard low enough so that she could attack and escape while Ann was genuine her desire to just go right along with him. Which is why in the end Ann was telling the guy to toss his body on ice. She saw how lucrative it was and was willing to keep it going as long as she could.
@@jakejancook she only wanted mollie to leave cause she knew nothing about her. unlike noa and the other victims, they don't know if mollie has family and loved ones who would look for her, they don't know if she had backup, if she was risky, which is why they were willing to let her go. once she caught them in the lie they were put in a tight spot and that's the only reason they knocked her out. the wife didn't care abt mollie at all, she just cared about not getting caught (especially in her own home with her kids and neighbrors nearby)
@@idunno3370 I think if you rewatch it the wife initially signifies for her to leave because her husband is home. The vibe to me is that she didn't want them to meet which is either because she, as a previous victim, wants to avoid her becoming one, or she wants to stop her husband seeing that someone is onto them I think you're right in that they was only willing to let her go because they don't know anything about her but I'm more interested in the wife's thoughts at that moment
Cotton candy grapes or really good. I don't like to eat then too often cuz I also just like to eat fresh fruits and veggies but cotton candy grapes occasionally are a really nice alternative to eating just candy or something
i have a foot fetish and it's not a burden it's just another kink tbh and i have several. if you can find someone to share it with it can be a very intimate thing explore together
I like the commentary with the bartender leaving at the end instead of helping. He’s literally the male bartender. The one that sees the guy put something in the girl’s drink, or sees a girl half-unconscious while the guy keeps pouring booze down her throat then drags her to his car, and does nothing. He’s that guy.
yesss i can now die, my fav channels dead meat and foundflix have both finally covered fresh!! only thing that could make this better is a kill count for fresh and ofc chealsea doing the american psycho kill count
I didn’t get the black best friend feel from Mollie. I was a bit worried at first since I’m a black woman and I’m always wary of that trope or the sassy black woman trope. But once she went from being “my white best friend is dumb” to actively trying to find her and then saving her life I think it subverted the trope nicely. Noa would have most likely died if Mollie hadn’t been there at the end and I loved that
As a fellow Black woman horror and film nerd, I think what made this different than the Magical Negro trope is that we actually get to know Mollie as her own character with her own story, rather than her just being added to scenes to establish that the main character has a BFF, and then not seeing her at all until the end when she deus-ex-machinas the movie and saves her bestie. Very well done
Also when Noa has a chance to escape the first thing she does is go save Mollie. So their friendship didn’t feel one sided. They were both willing to go into dangerous situations to save the other. Mollie’s life and safety being presented as just as important as Noa’s is part of what kept it out of the stereotypical black best friend category.
All of y'all are so right. She's not the Black Best Friend, she's the best friend who is loved and appreciated as much as she loves and appreciates Noa. It's more like sisterhood than friendship and I love it
I actually cried for Mollie when she got caught. That's a great friend!!
One of my favorite parts about the movie is Noa, Mollie, and Penny escaping and how they all worked so hard to protect each other and make sure they all got out.
Like, Penny basically doesn’t even know Noa and Mollie, and tbh, I wouldn’t blame her if she was solely focused on escaping while Noa and Mollie fought off Steve, because the idea of facing the person who *amputated your leg* must be terrifying. But no, she was right there with them helping take Steve down. At one point, you can even see her in the forest background crawling to help.
And then Mollie being a literal ride or die for Noa and both of them just doing the most to keep each other safe, and Mollie carrying Penny because she can’t walk, and Noa making sure they get Penny out when she really could’ve just left her.
Like damn, just seeing that teamwork made me proud.
I wanted to like that part, but it’s so frustrating that they don’t kill him or really make any smart decisions trying to escape.
I think the idea of shared trauma comes into it. People bond over shared experiences, both positive or negative. They may have not had much of a personal attachment but they've had an experience between them that will last.
@@brockollirob3812 This was one of the few complaints I had as well. The lack of double tap logic or taking advantage of Steve when he's borderline defenseless frustrated me a bit.
Well they did beat him really bad and kill him in the woods- in the end it was the wife that was the last threat that Mollie needed to come back and save Noa from when they thought they were in the clear. But you're right he did chase them a bit in the forest when he should'a been dead in the kitchen
@@teksnotdead902tbh when watching it I thought they did kill him with the multiple hits to the head via meat tenderizer lol, followed by the healthy kick to the face
Something I keep coming back to is how Chad gives that greasy speech about how "women used to be more dedicated to femininity" and how Noah "would look great in a dress" and then later Steve, who is brought in as the good love interest after Chad in the rom-com beginning, dresses her up in a pink dress with a big-ass bow on the chest
What I find the most interesting is that the imprisonment of the women "Steve" is butchering in the basement is almost a symbolism for abusive relationships. Melissa, Penny, and Noa all being in different stages mentally, suffering from the abuse from a man. At one point Penny is explaining to Noa that Melissa has lost her mind, and she says: "She's gone crazy. I don't blame her, no judgement here. I understand." As if Melissa is a woman so far mentally gone because the torture she underdured, and Penny being in the middle of process, knows that hopeless feeling. Noa even seeks to ask them how they can get out and who will help them, Penny responding saying that there is no one. Reminds me of how abusers will isolate and target vulnerable people.
Just my take but i love how this movie is symbolic of SO MANY different experiences of women.
Damn I never thought a movie about imprisoning and killing and eating women could have anything to do with abusing women, but you luckily shed light on it for me thank you
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Steve being sloppy makes since to me. The more criminals commit a crime, especially killers, they get more blunt, hide their tracks less, and more show off. It's cause they want to show off to the police that they are smarter and more clever than others. I totally believe Steve thinks the same way
Yeah, the pictures that we see on his wifes Facebook account seem relatively recent as they both look the same. So by that point he's been doing this for well over decade, if not decades. It's like you said, at some point once someone has managed to get away with a crime long enough they start to convince themselves that they're invincible, so they don't think that they need to be as careful. You can also see this with him actually paying for his and Noa's drinks with a credit card, which allowed Mollie to track him. Something you always hear from criminals on crime shows is that you always pay with cash. But paying by credit card, or sending someone a picture that could be reverse image searched is something that he's likely done many times, and that's never resulted in him getting caught.
That's also what just makes him a scarier characters. Especially when you know of real crime cases where people have acted similarly. Where they've gotten away for it for so long that they're actually able to live their life in a completely normal way.
I also found it interesting that the guys thought it was weird that he was selling their hair even tho human hair wigs can be multiple thousands of pounds
I just assume he's just comfortable. Like he knows he's gotten away with it for so long he's just like oh the system works I have nothing to worry about.
@@PoppyL99 Also not all Killers get cocky. I mean watch Mind Hunter or look up known killers and most of them refine their kills more and more as they go on. Best chance to catch most of them is at the very start when they are sloppy and don't really have a system in place. I mean killers like Ed Kemper only got caught because they turned themselves in to the police.
@@PoppyL99Right, I agree with you moreso than he's being a bit of a showman. I think it's more overconfidence and like you said he's gotten away with it for so long he doesn't think he has to be as careful as before.
Lucy's tiny meow when being asked to make a choice at 48:17😭give her both options
It made my heart melt 🥺
James gesturing to coax her in 😂 every cat owner can relate
The fact that Chelsea is doing American psycho kill count is like the biggest flex since dominating Elden Ring
time stamp?
@@cheesemanbob69 there’s a couple to give but they mention it a few times within the first five minutes
No one really died in American Psycho. It was all in his head.
@@Taru1blm then why did the lady that cleaned Paul Allen's apartment seem scared when Patrick said he knew what happened there? It's certainly possible that nothing happened, but don't push your fan theory onto others no matter how popular it is.
@@Taru1blm there’s different ways to interpret the movie
The cotton candy grapes are great. They are not overly sweet, and yes...most of the time taste like cotton candy quite a bit. You two are missing out.
yes omg especially frozen!! so good.
They’re also not artificially flavored. It’s a hybrid grape; which in turn gives it that flavor.
Missing out big time. Those grapes are the shit
The movie takes place in Portland. You see that as the location on the dating app and then when the bartender looks at Molly’s location the map is Portland. And as a portlander it’s adds a lot to it that his murder house is up in forest park where all the super wealthy portlanders live.
As a vancouverite it was really weird to see that they filmed it right in my city because even though the film took place there, I easily recognized the landmarks and and stuff
For my late husband, his foot fetish was more about touching and smelling feet. the first time we ever messed around, no matter what position we were in or how awkward it was physically, he had his hands on one or both of my feet the entire time. I didn't know about his fetish at that time but I remember thinking wow he's really touching my feet a lot... Then like a year into our marriage he asked me to wear the same pair of socks two days in a row bc he said that would get them to the perfect smell. I was mortified and I was too embarrassed so I refused. Then about a year after that, about two and a half years into our marriage he died in a very sudden accident at work. So let that be a lesson to you. Life is short. Let your spouse smell your feet.
I didn't read the word "late" at first, so the climax came so unexpected. Like WOAH. I love how you presented the entire thing with humor though involving loss as well lol. Hopefully you are doing great now and RIP to your husband. Take care.
A better lesson would be to tell your future spouse/partner before they commit to a life with you in case they don't want to accommodate your fetish. Its not cool to spring that on someone after you're already married
@@tanjabuchholz5314I understand your point. But the commenter was clearly joking. No need to take that too seriously. And her partner doesn’t have to tell her everything. He simply asked and she refused. Nothing about that was wrong.
1:07:49 literally made me spit out my coffee i jus wasnt ready LOOOOOL
I didn't expect to see such a famous Pro Gamer in the comments of a Dead Meat video that's pretty cool.
Someone needs to clip that and post it out of context 😂
horror movies have been killing it recently. can't wait for you guys to cover the new a24 movie X! its so thematically similar to texas chainsaw massacre.
Yes I would love to hear them talk abt it
@@ggg-su6ji when?
I've only seen the trailer but that films looks one chainsaw away from copyright infringement 😂
@@jakejancook no it feels inspired by Texas chainsaw with a lot of homages but is still super original and feels somewhat similar while very different at the same, I would 100% recommend it
There's also another A24 movie coming out called Men.
I’m SO GLAD you guys caught the “I love you more” thing. Every TH-cam review I have seen (all reviews by men, might I add) never catch that and it kills me!
I have found that most of the time women are more in tune with peoples responses and the details of it, especially in the context of dating. We have to over analyze everything to feel safe.
it saddens me to hear your and chelsea's opinions of men
I don’t necessarily think it’s that people didn’t notice it, I think it’s more that they didn’t feel the need to mention it in a short-form review since it’s a small part of the plot
@@joeertman I mean yeah I get that. But I do actually think it’s important cause it was that light bulbs moment for Molly to know she something wasn’t right and had to search the image and look into where Noah is. All the other reviews are skip over it, but imo it’s an important detail. I get why people wouldn’t find it necessary tho
@@phaggott it’s not an opinion, it’s our experience as women.
@@dustedneonlight yeah I definitely agree it’s important to the plot I just also think that the reason you may not have heard people mention it is cuz they would be talking more abt what they like/dislike in a movie whereas James and Chelsea do that along with plot summary so it makes more sense to bring it up
59:55 Yep, it's called "No, Mr. Bond, I Expect You to Dine."
The villain treats the usually captive hero to dinner, often giving them fine attire for the occasion. Famous examples like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Pirates of the Caribbean and most of the Bond movies
The strangest thing is everyone wants a rom com with these 2 ,because the chemistry in the first 30 min is amazing
That would just be really jarring because your always be kind of expecting Sebastian Stan to eat her
@@garmen- What you do is: Have the rom-com going on in the foreground, while every now and then you see Seb Stan just dragging a body in the background.
About horror movies that start off as romantic comedies, Audition does this masterfully.
Berlin Syndrome too
Good call
I feel like Red Eye also does a pretty good job.
Sebastian Stan as the Winter Soldier changed my life. Reminded me of a time when I was in rehab for a year, and they held us under water against our will and left in -10 degree temperature naked in stone rooms without mattresses for 3 days at a time, 3 pieces of bread for food per day. I came out like him from WS, didn't want to talk to anyone, struggled with relationships in my life, never opened up to people. But the guy remembered who he was. He really inspired me through that. Fortunately the guy that did that to us has gone to prison but still left an anger inside of my heart that has never left completely.
Molly's phone case reminds me of the book cover from Tender is the Flesh, which deals with similar topics
Ever since Chelsea said that American Psycho was one of her favorite horror movies, I've been on pins and needles waiting for some great Dead Meat media about it. Totally looking forward to the Kill Count on it, and I hope that there's an accompanying deep dive podcast episode on it, à la The Texas Chain Saw Massacre.
i think everyone with a cat can relate to Lucy asking to come in and then leaving lol
great episode as always
“It’s like dude…. You eat people”. I died 🤣😂
I loved Fresh. And I love you guys! You’ve reignited my love for horror movies these last couple of months. Kill counts are fun to watch right after a viewing and I often listen to the podcast while cooking. Keep up keeping up!
Based on the map that Paul looks at when he realizes Mollie is missing, I definitely think they are in Oregon. 100% looks like a map of Portland and would make sense with all of the trees, the waterfall photo and the east coast comment.
I never clicked on something so fast in my life. I’m so excited to hear what you both have to say about Sebastian Stan 🥰
Wha
Someone else already mentioned this but the phone cover is very likely from the book cover for Tender is the Flesh, another story about cannibalism!
This made me appreciate the film so much more, I'll be rewatching for all those details
I went into this movie knowing absolutely nothing except that it was a horror. By the opening credits I was hooked but very worried about where it was going to go (I've seen too many surprise sexual assault films), but seeing female names for the director and writer calmed my anxiety and I kept watching and I'm so glad I did! Thanks to you guys for bringing this movie to my attention (I saw the thumbnail and went to watch it so I could hear your opinions)!
Lucy hijacking the podcast is always a highlight
I loved this movie from start to finish!!! The story was so intriguing with humour very cleverly injected
If by cleverly injected, you mean occasionally remembering it's a comedy.
Agreed 👍 still can't believe I trusted Him in the beginning..
I'm in Canada and not only does Disney+ have this movie, they have No Exit, The Omen series, Alien series, Predator series, Jennifer's Body, The Fly, Ready or Not, and many more.
Same in the UK, because we don't have Hulu.
can comfirm i watched this on disney+, along with tommy and pam, sebastian stan is just doing it for me
Daisy Edgar Jones was excellent in Normal People, a short BBC series based on the book! She is the niece of my mum's best friend!
Daisy Edgar Jones is very under-rated, she's up and coming with huge potential... She did have to do an Irish accent for "Normal People," which in itself is an incredible miniseries (Highly recommend a watch if you haven't, both main actors are incredible!!!). She's also in another TV series called "War of The Worlds" where it's a very strange series, and she's near enough the lead again in a huge cast of varied languages (It's not like the older "War of The Worlds" it's a different take on it) - She does alright based on the storyline that is very meh the more it went on (2 series of that so far of 10 lots of episodes) - Recommend Series 1, not so much Series 2!
Women are fucking killing it, it's awesome!!!!
normal people is not usually my kind of show but i absolutely loved the performances from daisy edgar jones and paul mescal. really talented actors
I am curious if the girl that wrote the note is the magazine was the wife. When they look at the photos of the victims, Sami's photo has her face obscured by her hair. So you have no idea what she looks like. And that is the only photo like that. So it seems to be done on purpose. It makes me want to lean with Ann being Sami.
Controversial opinion but I think this is my favorite sebastian stan role now. I like it even more than Bucky.
I went in knowing zero about this movie and it was amazing. My sister watched it and told me not to even look it up. Glad she did. That first half hour had me thinking one thing and then the real movie happens. Insane!
Love this movie,plot holes aside,great acting from Sebastian Stan,even if the girlfriend turned into a true detective to quickly
ALSO with that reflection shot, and it might just be me, but knowing what we know it seems like the shot of her through the mirror was meant to show us a bit of Steve's perspective. He's only pretending to get close with her but I feel like that shot was to show how he was observing her, like a sort of quality check but also to know how to play her into his trap next. We see Steve's upper body and only lower portion of his face, which is a bit out of focus for this shot, so it's not quite a pov but it keeps him in the back of your mind (peripheral view in this case) while the focus is on Noah, but on her externally. Not making eye contact with the camera and also him wearing red and her blue. The contrast and underlying associations keep you as the viewer on your toes juuuuust enough while they feel the growing intimacy. Just my thoughts and I know its tldr A WHOLE YEAR LATER, but it fascinated me enough to want to talk about anyway 😅
Also also, the ugly dress I think was done on purpose. Like, obviously, it's a movie but I mean on Steve's part. Man KNOWS how to appeal to women and what they do in some cases to try and appeal back. I feel like he had the impression that this might in some part be "too good to be true" and if she said she loved the dress, even as uncoordinated as it is with those sneakers, he'd know she was acting. Her pleasant enough but unemotionally committed response was enough to be honest but kind.
21:15 Only James and Chelsea can talk about a cannibalistic dating movie and have a conversation about Star Wars. Love you guys!
The scene with Paul annoyed me so much, although I do understand the fact that having a man save the day would have been bad. It' just the fact that he didn't even call the police that annoyed me so badly omg, and the fact that IRL , men rarely ever act to help women who are victims of another man. I unfortunately saw that a lot growing up in abusive families, so that secene really bothered me.
The trailer for Fresh was AMAZING! It was so aesthetically unique and great and building intrigue without giving away too much
The important question is: Is Chelsea going to cover the second American Psycho as well? XD
I hope not, that movie did not need to be called “American Psycho 2”
@@ElixifyYTwhos gonna tell them
I loved Fresh ^_^ I'd only seen one trailer when i went in and it just looked like it was a obsessive boyfriend kinda thing so the cannibalism stuff took me by surprise which was an added bonus!
It is amazing that so many horror movies have been released the last year and a bit but with work and studies it is a bit overwhelming narrowing down the actual good ones to watch. After seeing your tweets about this and getting a few minutes in (and finding out it was on disney plus lol) I watched it tonight after finishing my final business law exam ever and it was great- what I wanted to see and how I wanted to see it play out, but it still managed to surprise me a few times! And gorgeous to watch- we love orange
Great episode! This movie was really good. I got so excited when you mentioned X, I really hope it will get a podcast episode too!
I'm so glad yall brought up the American Psycho because Sebastian Stan as Steve reminded me of Christian Bale as Patrick
So excited that y'all covered this! I can't lie this is my comfort podcast I always end up listening to the episodes twice because I fall asleep and want to hear the whole thing! Cannot wait for the American Psycho Kill Count!
I think the end credits scene with the raw meat in the middle, the spreading pool of blood and the group of billionaires around it implies that all they did was cut off one head of the hydra. Steve and his complicit wife are dead but the shadowy underbelly of oligarchs who demand this cannibal delivery still exists and Steve can't be their only supplier. It implies there will always be more evil men out there, even when you snuff out one. In my mind the wife reminds me of women who enable husbands who are neo Nazis or white supremacist's, she's complicit in what Steve is doing, and at first it was for her own survival, but she's grown accustomed to this rich lifestyle and would throw another woman under the bus to preserve it. I think the reason Steve mostly doesn't sleep with these women is because it would humanize them and he sees them as meat or cattle. There's a lot of layers to this movie that add a dark satire that really makes it stand out from other cannibal movies.
Im honest Hannibal is my fav cannibal (from movies) but don’t get me wrong Sebastian Stan is georgous!
I am a simple woman. I see a new Dead Meat Podcast, I click. Thanks for covering this movie. I never thought I would find a movie where people are hacked and eaten charming.
Never thought I’d see the Winter Soldier cut off ass
I haven't seen anyone compare Fresh to Get Out which I think is really important in talking about the black friend trope
Also!! Paul told Mollie to go to the police and then heard a crime in progress and did nothing
Seeing the boob eating scene made me think of the brain eating scene from Hannibal. Fun podcast as always y'all. Looking forward to all the new stuff this month B~)
Sebastian is the Patrick Bateman from the books loved what they did with his character in this movie, not upset that she went for his meat balls in the end xDlol
I did watch this movie on Disney+ actually (I'm in Europe) and I also loved that I could watch this movie on there. Ready or Not is also on there which I know you guys love ... and American frigging Horror Story, like whut. Loved all of them btw
I kind of took the fact that Penny didn't have more removed was that the way that he was selling the meat was that the client would choose who they wanted to eat. Also healing takes a while, so it could be that he wants the victims to not be on any medications which could affect the quality
I can’t wait to see Chelsea take on hosting The Killcount.
The soundtrack to this movie was great, "restless heart" at the operation scene was my favourite part.
I recently watched Attachment, which is a great movie that smoothly transitions from romcom, to psychological horror, to supernatural horror, and back to romance.
This is how I love spending my Easter morning. Absolutely loved this film and I’m so glad you’re doing a podcast on it.
It gave me a lot of Hannibal (the tv show) vibes, being about cannibalism and shot in an overly stylised way.
I just watched the movie today (Monday,April 18) and really it was great but one insane thing out of the blue for me as a Marvel Meta fan, Sebastian Stan's character's name is Steve and he wears blue turtlenecks. Basically a combination of Chris Evans and Tom Hiddleston that is a reincarnation of Hannibal Lecter but beautifully well crafted by the director. How insane is that other than the Title card coming in after 30 minutes of the opening
As Someone who loves Sebastian Stan, He really Killed This role and the girl who played noa did fantastic as well, and I really liked the Best friend and the cashier guy who helped catch him.
Isn't the pink dress a callback to Chad's comment about femininity?
Seriously this might be your best podcasts to date, tight pacing and compelling, I literally texted my wife and said hey we should see this movie
The movie i always wondered why it never had a killcount, even tho it was in the intro
Finally having one, with Chelsea ! Can't wait
I've had cotton candy grapes, and let me tell you, they're amazing
This was one of my favorite horror movies in a long time. I’m so glad I took you guys’ recommendation and watched it before listening to the podcast! Great discussion/episode as usual! (:
I’m so happy y’all enjoyed this movie. I really thought it was good, fun and felt, pun kinda intended, fresh.
This movie was actually great,I had a vague idea what was gonna happen from the description of the movie,but it was such a welcome surprise
I just checked out the chilling app and listened to “Tortoise and Tarots” holy smokes that was a really good listen Chelsea I crave more 🐢🃏⛈💀
Did anyone else not get a notification for this video? It just started playing through auto play and I was like, "Oh is this a new podcast?" I checked my notifs box and it wasn't there. Anyways this was such a great listen, loved the podcast like always.
I wish theyd get just a comfy couch .. I feel like the chairs look uncomfortable which makes me uncomfortable. Lol. The background is amazing of course!
Can't help but think Glenn Howerton was MADE for the Steve role but also I can see why he doesn't want to be typecast
I like to listen to these podcasts while I sew, I was just going to listen to one of the older episodes when this released. A blessing from the lord! The new set is amazing!
48:21 Lucy
ik yall do horror movies and thrillers and such but it would be so fun to hear about your opinions about everything everywhere all at once!
I think, when the wife told the ponytail guy to sell the meat, that post credit scene are the people feasting on their new purchase … which would explain why ponytail man disappeared
Another movie that I paused the podcast to go watch and man was I glad I did.
i love this movie so much, im happy that my fav youtubers are makig a podcast on it
Yay another podcast! I came for the kill counts but stayed for the podcast. I love discussing films after watching them, problem is no one around me is interested lol which is why I love to hear u guys talk about it and hear what u thought of the movie!
I havent listened in a while and forgot how good this podcast is
This is the most precious couple ever.
The scene where Noa eats breast, its dark and then later we see Molly clutching her breast....😱😱😱😱
We also saw him take her to the surgery room before and he said it tasted familiar to her
watched this absolutely blind. didn't even know sebastian stan was in it. i was also drinking whisky, so i had an incredible time talking at my tv and cheering when characters were smart. also holy shit was that a positive reference to attack of the clones? good people
My girlfriend and I love the movie Heathers- with the trailer, I think we thought the two main characters would have a JD and Veronica adjacent relationship! Would have been fun to see a little more snark- but I definitely approve of uh, not that much romance considering the situation 😬 (cannibalism)
Cotton candy grapes are green grapes that are just sweet. Tried them in Florida and I liked them
I like how the title of this episode is
Fresh Dead Meat
regarding his wife - i don't think she was a former victim, i think that turning the cannibalism into a business was her idea. i got the impression they'd been together from a very young age (since he mentions having started eating people at 19, i thought maybe while he was in medical school) and she'd eventually given her leg up. the personal touches he added to each meat package and the fact that i think she says to the driver to put his body on ice makes me think she was running the business end of things even if she didn't participate in eating humans herself.
I initially thought the Asian guy she's with at the end was, her boss or connection to a static organisation, but she does say 'we should put him on ice' suggesting she's the higher up potentially
I do think however. She seemed worried over the aging of her face, kinda signaled for the friend to leave her house as husband arrived, is missing a limb, and I got the impression he was prepared to replace his wife which makes it plausible his previous wife was a victim too
I'm certainly on the side that she was a previous victim. When he mentions that he started eating people at 19 he also mentions how it was a part of him that he couldn't share with anyone else. While obviously he's not going to bring up his wife if she were around back then, the feeling I got is that Noa had gotten him to drop his guard and he was being genuine there. He goes on to explain how started looking around to see if there were others like him and that's where the business came from. So I think that Ann got in good with him by convincing him that she'd help him with that business. And an extra element that she could add is that women often trust other women (this is what she was counting on at the end with Noa), so she could act as bait for more victims for him. In return she'd get to keep her life. There are a lot of real life stories of women helping men by luring in women for them to abuse/kill.
I do agree with you on the idea that she didn't eat people. And that's why Noa's angle worked so well. His real passion was eating people, and he just managed to turn that into a business. Finding someone who also liked to do that was even more desirable than what he had with Ann. Of course Noa was just trying to get him to drop his guard low enough so that she could attack and escape while Ann was genuine her desire to just go right along with him. Which is why in the end Ann was telling the guy to toss his body on ice. She saw how lucrative it was and was willing to keep it going as long as she could.
@@jakejancook she only wanted mollie to leave cause she knew nothing about her. unlike noa and the other victims, they don't know if mollie has family and loved ones who would look for her, they don't know if she had backup, if she was risky, which is why they were willing to let her go. once she caught them in the lie they were put in a tight spot and that's the only reason they knocked her out. the wife didn't care abt mollie at all, she just cared about not getting caught (especially in her own home with her kids and neighbrors nearby)
@@idunno3370 I think if you rewatch it the wife initially signifies for her to leave because her husband is home. The vibe to me is that she didn't want them to meet which is either because she, as a previous victim, wants to avoid her becoming one, or she wants to stop her husband seeing that someone is onto them
I think you're right in that they was only willing to let her go because they don't know anything about her but I'm more interested in the wife's thoughts at that moment
The picture of Sami is actually seen in the movie and it shows that the wife is Sami. It’s hard to tell tho cause she’s wearing sunglasses
Sebastian Stan: Daddy 🤤🙌🏽
Cotton candy grapes or really good. I don't like to eat then too often cuz I also just like to eat fresh fruits and veggies but cotton candy grapes occasionally are a really nice alternative to eating just candy or something
i have a foot fetish and it's not a burden it's just another kink tbh and i have several. if you can find someone to share it with it can be a very intimate thing explore together
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I appreciate someone actually answering the Dead Meat crews foot fetish curiosities
I like the commentary with the bartender leaving at the end instead of helping. He’s literally the male bartender. The one that sees the guy put something in the girl’s drink, or sees a girl half-unconscious while the guy keeps pouring booze down her throat then drags her to his car, and does nothing. He’s that guy.
I went in knowing nothing other than seeing James tweet. And I thoroughly enjoyed it
the production value of the podcast never ceases to amaze me
yesss i can now die, my fav channels dead meat and foundflix have both finally covered fresh!!
only thing that could make this better is a kill count for fresh and ofc chealsea doing the american psycho kill count
I knew absolutely nothing going into this movie and loved it all the more for it. It's fucking insane lol.
Chelsea: Everyone's uncomfortable around him; he doesn't have any friends...
Me: Am I...?
12:30
Audition (1999) is another great movie that does this.
love the way this format looks now!
Oh my God.. I've been trying to place that kitchen scene from Body Moving for years! Thanks James!