Y90's Altoona Derailment [Dispatcher Display Annimation and Audio Recordings]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 เม.ย. 2022
- Derailments happen, they are a part of railroadin'. And while it is sometimes nice to look at and analysis the actual wreck, I argue that there is value in watching the sequence of events from an unconventional point of view. Here we a look of the derailment events from the train dispatcher's point of view. Key framed animation of the trains have been color coded with their radio recording's text on screen.
While this is not a copy of exactly the NS dispatcher sees, this is an interpretation of it from the fine folks with ATCS monitoring group. A brief explanation of what one sees in a dispatcher point of view:
White lines -- the tracks
Colored blocks (not a part of normal ATCS displays) -- trains, colored to match with the transcribed radio text
Colored circles (not a part of normal ATCS displays) -- people on the ground (conductors, maintenance of way, trainmaster, etc.)
This may be the first time you are seeing these types of images, displays, and graphs, and yes, there is a lot going on. I have tried to simplify it to the best of my ability but if something doesn't make sense to you, always feel free to ask in the comment section. I, or someone that knows a lot more than me in this field, would be more than willing to try and develop an answer for you.
Audio recordings from broadcastify's "Altoona Area Rail" feed.
Background graphics of train dispatching display courtesy of ATCS mon groups
Thumbnail from WTAJ's news report on said derailment
Key-framed animations of trains and transcribed radio transmissions texts all done by yours truly - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
I was the Y90 engineer. My first derailment.
Thank you for commenting Mr. Rizzo. I'm sure you have a much different perspective on this all, and is glad you and all involved were safe. I hope you enjoyed seeing a different view on the whole event
This is one of the best made, most informative videos that I have ever seen! I loved how the N55 conductor ate the road foreman's lunch about how much he could pull!
Thank you, your comment means a lot to me. And definitely; the crew always knows their train and equipment the best for they work with it every single day!
Y90: "We've got five (cars) on the ground"
Dispatcher: "That's not where they're supposed to be!"
God that made me laugh harder than it should have.
indeed! One of the many things that has made me laugh. Crews in the Altoona area always have some of the funniest things to say. Working on getting some more content covering these too. Stay tuned for more!
LoL.
lol
I got some quick search on some terms that I don't know
Manned helpers are mostly used to assist a train in climbing a specific grade (and occasionally also for dynamic braking capability on a descending grade). It was quite common to put them in the middle or on the rear of a train for the reason you suggest, to reduce the risk of broken knuckles or pulled drawbars.
Trainmaster are middle-manager positions working at railroad terminals
Road foreman of engines, in the United States, is the traditional title of the person in charge of and the supervisor of a locomotive engineer. (engineer's boss)
3 step procedure
Three step protection is a procedure used to provide positive protection for groundmen before they go between, behind or under equipment. The three steps the engineer must perform are:
1. Apply the brakes.
2. Center the reverser in the control stand (This prevents the loco. from being propelled in either direction, much like shifting your car into neutral.)
3. Open the Generator field switch on the control stand. (This prevents the main generator from receiving excitation, thus preventing the generator from making electricity that could be transmitted to the traction motors, causing the loco and train to move)
Thank you for all this information , you just made this video a keeper in case I gotta come back and refresh my mind on some of these terms 👌
@@icosthop9998 No problem :D, I'm glad it helped.
That was awesome to hear the chat between all the crews and how they broke it all down
Thank you, glad you enjoyed
I'm going to say, color coordinating this was a brilliant idea. Made it really easy to understand who was saying what and when.
Very interesting and well done video. My son just completed NS Conductor training and starts out of Conneaut on April 18th. I sent this video to him to watch- telling him this could be him some day!
Indeed, this could happen to anyone. Glad you enjoyed!
Conneaut eh?? That’s where I hired,, my “home terminal”! Small world!
@@MrJamestaylor72 Cool. He had his first "road run" today on the C62. Will be working the C62 all next week, then a week of the C64, then onto the road trains. He thinks!
Timing is everything sometimes. Just saw a video on the Altoona derailment by DJ. Same incident, two different perspectives...Now THAT's cool!
Great Video - would certainly like to see more of these, just covering regular helper ops around Altoona would be good too.
Interesting idea, definitely will put that in the idea pool. Thank you for the idea!
Being that I live in Altoona, it's awesome to see a deeper look into this when it happened, I've been trying to get more into the usual railfanning stuff like understanding radio traffic and such, as confusing as it it.
Anyways looking back at it now, that definitely wasn't the most ideal spot to derail, but hey at least we all got a good look at the cleanup lol
Excellent vid - always fascinating to have a perspective from those on the inside.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed
Excellent Job with the Video diagrams and Fantastic Audio transmissions. I’m a New Subscriber thanks to your Strong 💪 Efforts. Thanks Again! 👍👍👍
Thank you, glad you enjoyed. Hopefully more along these lines in production sometime one day. They take a lot, but are well worth it
Very Impressive! 👍
Excellent Video !
That was fun to listen to... Thanks for sharing.
Wow now that was pretty interesting. Great job Sam 👍🥰
Thank you, Dave. This was something I never expected people to like, but I stand corrected! Glad you enjoyed, my friend
@@6777Productions never know what folks will like and what they won't. I thought my Model T video would do great and it was a total flop.
@@ccrx6700 Ha! I hear ya on that bud! Tis a weird place we produce content for
Ngl, the thumb nail had me wanted video to watch after or spliced 50/50.
The wise cracks caught me off guard.
This will add a whole new level to my operations should a derailment happen.
Awesome video !!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
VERY informative! I always wondered how it all worked.
Sam, this is great stuff, you did a great job showing the ATCS, ill have to watch this in parts, got thru the first 10 min. I'm gonna finish on the big screen.
Thank you, Pappy. I know it's a bit of a thing to get through. While it took many hours to get everything just right, it was more of a passion project than anything else. Hoping to do a few more of these in the future. There is always something happening out on the rails!
@@6777Productions for sure Sam, I liked the little animations you did
Haha I was waiting to hear a Trainmasters name nothing like getting called out to a derailment… Bill Robert’s is one of the better ones. This looks pretty similar to what we had at NS can anyone get access to this ATCS?
@@Stoker58 Ha yeah stoker. Kinda was trying to keep names out of this as much as possible. The background image for ATCS that I used was from the ATCS monitor io group - groups.io/g/ATCSMonitor/topics . Hopefully that link works. I spent a lot of time reading up on what I was allowed and not allowed to use with it, and I think this falls within the parameters. Glad you enjoyed, nice seeing ya in the HSC chat as well my friend
@@Stoker58 it's a differing of opinions. He was not at all liked by the people he lorded over
Fascinating, couldn't stop listening.
Great video!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed
Boy I thought on my railroad here we have interesting banter in the face of a mess!!!🤣🤣🤣😁
Lol n55 doesn’t seem like he’s having a good time. The man just wanted to be done and go home
Honestly don't blame the man. If I remember correctly, he had about 2 hours left on his shift, and could have actually been going home right then if they didn't derail. But that's railroadin' for ya!
It sucks tying hand brakes, especially at grade.
This is good, I railfan & do HO + N scale, this helps to know what's going on
Awesome, thank you
Glad you enjoyed
Great work
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
Well done! thanks for the amazing effort!
As one fond of puzzles, it would be fun to know how Y90 and N55 re-assembled the remaining cars with the fewest switching moves to continue the trip.
I initially thought that N55 was pulling upgrade to clear the derail, but then he seemed concerned that he would not be able to stop with the full 84 cars.
Think N55 meant if the train started to roll back into the derail zone
@@patrickmorris462 Thanks, Patrick. Now I understand.
Yup, partick is correct. On the offhand chance while they were pulling the cars out, they didn't have enough momentum and stalled and started to roll backwards, they wanted to make sure they would not accidently run into the derailment/hit anyone working on the site
He wasn't worried about rolling back into the derail. He was instructed to clear the signal, he didn't want to roll backwards and go through the Stop signal. That's how you get fired.
A few of these guys are definitely classic yinzers.
Glad you enjoy the ATCS and Radio Feed. I host both of them.
Indeed I do. They are both very helpful, and I regularly have ATCS, the radio feed, and the VRF's Horseshoe curve all up on my computer even though I can look out my window and practically see the line. They are all much appreciated
I'm happy to hear that. Good video btw, watched it al the way through. Maybe one day someone will upload a new timetable with CP Altoona in it and Alto and Slope being gone. One thing I enjoy about the Broadcastify archives are they mostly cut out the dead spots in the recordings.
Nice video, Like.
Great vedio
Thank you!
So THIS is what the equivalent of ATC is for rail.
Where can we get this amimation of track operations is it on line? I would love to watch this every day.
The animation was done by myself over the course of a year. The background image is of ATCS, which does yeild a similar result. More information on their group io page groups.io/g/ATCSMonitor/topics
This looks like it took A lot of effort - Thank You for making it all understandable.
Did I detect them Play-Flirting towards the beginning? I don't even know what an A-E is 🤔
What is the '3-step'? That is mentioned many times and I am not familiar with that term.
That's a good question and I think the best answer for you comes directly out of CSX's operating rules from 2014:
Three-Step Protection - A procedure using the following steps that provides protection for employees before they foul equipment:
1. Apply the brake,
2. Center the reverser, and
3. Put the generator field switch in the OFF or OPEN position.
Basically, making sure the train will not move no matter what so an individual can climb between the cars to couple/un-couple, connect air hoses, etc.
@@6777Productions Thank you, that makes perfect sense! Much like tractor pulling: If driver's hands are both in the air, it means, throttle down, transmission in N(or P) and brakes are applied.
Thanks for asking. I was wondering too.
@@6777Productions Thanks for answering. I was curious too. :)
Dang the other crews were roasting N55 and Y90 lol
3:13 “…apparently we have 5 on the ground…”
tHaTs NoT wHeRe ThEy ArE sUpPoSeD tO bE😂😂😂
To the conductor that commented. I worked for a large gas utility. When ever something bad happened and you were part of scene. Do you get immediately alcohol or drug tested and do you get separated and interviewed. Even though it was not tragect do they still grill you so someone gets the blame instead of the company
What grade % is N55 complaining about pulling on?
According to NS track charts of this area from 2016; grades on this ranging from 1.09% to 1.57%
This piece of grade requires at least 3 4,000hp road units on the head end and a 4-pack of 3,000hp SD40 helpers on the rear for a 10,000ton train to go west. A 130-car coal train, which is what the 590's are, weigh between 17,900 and 18,800 tons. I have seen 19,100 on my paperwork before.
Theres also a big difference between rolling into a grade when you are already moving, and trying to cars moving from a stop.
Was this recent, like did this actually happen 9 days ago
April 10th was the one year anniversary of it
@@6777Productions good to know, thanks for the info
R.J Corman must be over flowing with work.
What radio do you use? And how far away are you from Altoona?
While for railfanning I have a handheld radio, for the purposes of this video I downloaded the audio archives from broadcastify's "Norfolk Southern Altoona Area Rail" feed
@@6777Productions awesome! And okay that's cool!!
Mind if I shout out your channel?
Not at all! I would have no issues with you doing so! Thank you for offering
@@6777Productions just trying to help a fellow content creator grow his channel
Sounds not too much different than listening to air traffic control. I’m sure that running a 110 car coal train isn’t anything like running a Lionel train set.
Why dad gummit !!