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If the Tau tried really hard to create Space Marines. They would end up with the equivalent of a Spartan 4 in Halo being compared to a Spartan 2. Or your standard modern infantryman compared to the SAS. And then get raped by the Imperium. For the attempt at creating a Space Marine and the corruption of the God Emperor's great works.
@@Marth667 how many militaries currently use the 1911. Sure the short recoil, tilting barrel system has become mainstay but the actual gun is not desired by militaries, with higher capacity, lightweight striker fired guns being adopted by nearly all military and police agencies. Also the bolt gun has been fixed plenty of times, hence the number of variations of it. Just to make it clear I do like the 1911 even if I do prefer the hi-power.
I'd think a tech marine would be tempted. Imagine all that technology you get to play with as well as Tau waifus who may not be pretty but would share your hobbies.
You miss the fact that Techmarines are trained on Mars, as part of the machine cult, and as such believe that humanity already peaked in the dark age, and innovating is tech-heresy
Definitely not cause the tau sphere is like the size of 2 solar systems where as the imperium is like 600 million solar systems lmfao. What good is ultra tech when one starfleet could just detonate their suns and literally remove tau as a species from the setting
@@Scratch-zx1bw the only ones who would are the dark angels perosnal* forge world on the rock who are trained not to be dogmatic as mars but pragmatic and progressive. They are the ones who keep some of the dark age tech running for the dangles, Other than that it i totally could see a fuckin dark mechanicus resurgence on a tau sept world that was stolen, turned into some crazy death star machine and they just run away with tau tech and make it twisted and imbued with AI or something wild. A mix of grim dark on the tau machines would be absolutely insane
Honestly, I could totally see a Renegade "not truly traitor" Ultramarine successor chapter join up with the Tau as a form of protest and opportunity to sue for peace. Basically trying to convince Guillaman that the Tau are not worth the ammo and have the same enemies as the Imperium, just like how Guillaman and Yvraine created a pseudo alliance between Eldar and man. I honestly think a book about that would be really cool.
@@reform-revolution Exactly no ones saying it has to be a permenant alliance but at least a seize fire and temporary one until the galaxy is stablized i mean even the choas gods have the reason ablity to do this when ever one of them becomes cheif power they work togther to overthrow him then go back to fighting each other
Anything with Tau humans having to fight the imperium so rich for drama. I would love to see Tau space marine rookies go up against a loyalist chapter in an attempt to be taken seriously.
Lore-wise, Space Marines have been considered to be "lost causes" to the Tau Empire in the same veins as Orks and Tyranids. I forgot where, but I do recall reading somewhere that when the Tau did some kind of brain scanning on a Space Marine, the thought patterns were said to have been akin to a "living weapon", which was technically true, given what they were created for by the Master of Mankind. Against a common foe, they may work together, but integration of a Space Marine into Tau society is simply impossible. I'm just going off on what I know, so pardon me if there are contradictions.
Well, they are not even integrated into Human Society. Aside from the Ultramarine maybe, the other chapters living apart, taking human to use as servants or recruits, and coordinating with the Imperium rather than as part of their army. Even the Inquisition tread carefully around them because the extent of their authority over them is in a grey area
@@cedricallman9733 You could actually try to trick or at least convience a space marine to fight for the greater good(one of the original, non-emperor worshiping guys.) since the original mission was to have a better future for humanity with no war, and if you actually convienced one of these guys with the "greater good"(no war, peace and shit.) you could actually have a tau space marine screaming "FOR THE GREATER GOOD!," or for the emperor, either way it's almost the same. (hiding this from hardcore lore fans.) i dunno a lot about dreadnoughts, but if you found one of the ancient ones who sorta remembers the emperor's original mission, they you might actually have one who's gotten disappointed with the imperium of man just sorta deserting to the T'au for their "greater good".
@@somefurryguy1811 i mean the greater good i s just to prosper just spread tales of how emperor and human came today overcomjng i hurdles just for the kind to prosper and boom convincved survive adapt prosper is what man does best emperor does a lot for man throught his many countless lifetimes
The only chapter that I could concider defecting to the Tau empire would be the Iron Hands. Their idea of enhancing themselves through tech would seem very appealing, especially being the chapter who first lacked a primarch.
One problem: Tech Heresy. Also the iron hands are into a lot of survival of the fittest, whilst the Tau kinda contrast that with xenophilia and essentially space communism. Plus I haven't seen extensive use of cybernetics within the Tau. The most you could expect from the Iron hands is respect for the Tau's progress.
Mmm, don't forget about the Mentors, at least the Rogue Trader version, where they were basically the "special forces" chapter of the Astartes and had access to even xenos technology.
@@kevski_021 I'll agree to that. Maybe we can meet in the middle and at least say it'd be really cool if the two somehow teamed up against Chaos or Tyranids. It'd be really funny if two member of each faction argued about upgrades or somthing like that.
The iron hands would never defect to the tau, they were one of the three chapters who were the spearhead of the Damocles crusade, it would be stupid writing to have the marine chapter who probably had the highest kill count in the crusade join the faction they crusaded
I think if the Tau Empire or more likely the Farsight Enclaves ever gave permission to their Gue'vesa population to create super soldiers, it would look less like Astartes and more like one of the 4 Spartan programs from Halo. The way Spartans are made from any of the 4 programs would fit the tau vibe alot more closely.
@@wilmagregg3131 I think they would allow their gue'vesa to make super soldiers first, not only because its a field of science they have little experience in and would require them to dip their toes in first, but also because they could serve as human champions of the tau'va, (the greater good) and help inspire other gue'vesa to stay loyal to the tau'va in the same way space marines do for the imperial guard. The gue'vesa tend to freak out when they see faith based miracles on the battle field when facing the imperium.
Tau with space marines would be comparable to taking skinny high school nerds, make them design weapons of another level, then juicing up some footballers and giving them this tech
@@shadearca probably, but primaris marines are just better than almost any standard infantry units, in lore at least, they also have incredible psykers, not saying they are better, but generally I would say 10 primaris marines (intercessors, maybe even hellblasters) can kill most standard infantry units, that being said I am only a 40k nerd, not a Halo one, but from what I understand I might be right
I'm surprised that the Tau don't mass produce a droid army with them emphasizing mecha and long range fire power. This would both bolster thier numbers and give them more variety.
The issue with this is that is exactly what they are trying to do. Building those Mech suits, heavy weapons, and swarms of drones is extremely resource intensive and the tau empire doesn’t have millions of worlds like the imperium and because of that they don’t have the population or industry on the worlds they do control to do that either. As the video said they are fairly new and reproduce and expand very slowly many worlds they control don’t have the infrastructure to run such large operation to mass produce drones.
@@assaultghost00 You only need one single world or moon smelted down and reforged over a single century by self-replicating drones to create a fleet larger than all other fleets in the galaxy combined, including the Tyranids. The problem the factions have is that they don't do self-replicating machines.
@@Hust91 also, that there's nothing "simple" about smelting down even a small moon, let alone the infrastructure needed to process that amount of material, or the insane amount of power needed to fuel such a process. Even with all of the blatant cheating the 40k universe does... It's a big deal.
I feel like there are only 3 ways for this to happen all of which are far fetched: 1) The Tau crack the gene seed code and start turning their guevesa into space marines 2) A chapter that has been deemed renegade by the Imperium strikes a deal with the Tau where they take refuge in their space and recruit from their guevesa planets in exchange of working as privateers for them agains non IOM threats like Orks and Nids 3) If one of the returning Primarchs (probably Khan) decides to ally with them and brings some of his sons with him
Why the Khan, if I may ask? Did the Khan have a history of allying with xenos? I’m not saying he absolutely wouldn’t, I’m just curious as to your reasoning behind it.
@@maxducks2001 Not sure why he was mentioned specifically here, but he does seem like the "getting shit done" type of primarch, and if that means getting a bunch of high-tech tadpoles on side, I don't see why he'd say no.
@@maxducks2001 Probably because Tau Empire is basically Japan in space, and White Scars are Asian-themed (specifically Mongol Golden Horde). So this mix is something I can see it being possibly canon in the future.
I mean I think it's stated in a codex that the imperium knows it can wipe out the tau, but they'd need to divert resources and man power from more important theaters of war when they just can't afford to. So in the meantime they're more than content to ignore them in order to use them to slow down the tyranids, cause either way aliens die without human casualties and the tau are surprisingly good at killing nids in the lore.
which codex? because they tried crusading the Tau before but it technically didn't succeed (don't believe the wikis, they make everything marked as "Imperial decisive victory")
@@alphanoodle1877 couldn't say, I have a hard time remembering where every bit of lore comes from. But I dont see the two as mutually exclusive. As in maybe the imperium tried to crusade the tau, failed, did the math to figure out what it would take to wipe them out and decided it just wasn't worth it. Same reason they don't go after craftworlds. They pulled it off once at great expense and needed the deus ex machina of the legion of the damned to win, and then the other craftworlds went apeshit on them. So now they're content to ignore them unless directly antagonize cause the cost outweighs the benefits, and they understand the eldar are slowly going extinct anyway.
They're good at killing nids because their preferred strategy it to detect them en route and blast them into space dust from memory. Nids don't go into the warp to space travel; it's actually an interesting weakness only the Tau seem to take advantage of.
i think imperium has more than enough to wipe out the threats but considering the corruption nah having big e would help but considering how bad it went last time nah
They're by far my favourite fan made "chapter" or sub faction. Like the artwork people make for these is bloody amazing. I'd spend way too much money on models for them if were around
Kinda off topic: This reminded me of that one episode of Emperor TTS where Magnus suggested to his Dad to manipulate the Tau into working for the Imperium. Which while impossible should that happen I cant help but to imagine the toaster loving redhooded cyborgs getting replaced by the Tau who will offer the Imperium especially the Astartes with more cooler and decent gear.
@Demoiselle_Chris Maybe at some point they will innovate and surpass the mechanicus. But the fandom said that Mechanicus still have better technologies than the Tau. It just that the Tau have better gear than the average imperium force. Also the Emperor doesn't like AI either. If at one point the Tau have their own cybernetic revolt in the future, then in this scenario the imperium will have another men of iron uprising. The machine spirit seem to have more loyaltly
Although the integration may eventually cause the tau robots to develop machine spirits due to the beliefs of the imperial populace that all machines have a machine spirit, possibly stunting or at the very least blunting a man of iron uprising
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I'd quite like to see the T'au make super soldiers, upgrading the Fire caste to the Inferno caste in small numbers. Big blue blokes bashing baddies. Except they'd probably deem it inefficient, and a corruption of the Holy Tau Form, and then just build bigger battlesuits.
I mean, a battlesuit does make more sense. Theyre likely cheaper to build, theyre more flexibile, they already come armored, and you can tape a whole bunch of weapons to them
@@genericprofile2381 but, they are restricted by the abilities of the pilot. Faster reaction times alone would make battlesuits much more dangerous. Some of this can be compensated for with ai, which the tau use, but without upgrading the pilot, you eventually end up just making robots, and at that point the whole thing can devolve into a right men of iron moment.
If you look at lore, a fire caste fire warrior is the tau equivalent. They practice eugenics to make "super tau" only Sept worlds with the harshest living conditions are allowed to make fire warriors etc
I can totally get behind a lot of your points, and you might be right that creating their own space marines would probably attract to much attention... buuuut that's only if the imperium found out? A handful of created marines that were used as say... planetary guards should said planet fall under duress, might be useful to the Tau of the Enclaves. After all, with such limited access to worlds in the first place, giving up ground as the Tau war practices have been, isn't all that great idea when you can only retreat so far. Having a small (and I do mean small) selection of Space marines to help fortify more "key" planets in the Enclave would allow specific worlds to perhaps survive when they would otherwise fall. In essence the Tau space marines would act more as the custodies (granted they would be regular space marine strength and by no means an ACTUAL custodies). With them mostly remaining on planet, and tucked away for use should things get bad... it's possible that the Imperium would never actually find out. All that being said, I don't think you'd ever see them on the table. They would be in such limited number, and so far and few between, I don't see how you could use them... but in the story, I think it could be possible. Also what about traitor legions that left the imperium for other reasons, and just eventually settle in with the Tau? Not very likely again, as the Tau are REAAAALLY small, so the odds of everything lining up would be remote, but might happen? I mean, it is one section of space you're guaranteed not to really be found if you're a renegade. Though at that point they probably just harass the Tau, and dwell in the area rather than full on co-operate... so there is that.
Knowing the Tau, the water caste would probably go into overdrive with the space marines as a propaganda tool for recruiting human worlds more than an actual fighting force! Like the first half of the Captain America movie. And if they were never deployed to a warzone idk if the imperium would ever believe there was substance to the rumours. That said, I could see Tau marines being trained as operators and fight more like the deathwatch. Fancy Tau camo fields, extremely OP long rifles etc
Plus the tau aren't immediately hostile to space marines, as proven by the death watch novels. Though its been awhile since ive read any warhammer lore at all. Im in it for the art side and cool figures.
The Tau would definitely give these marines the best upgrades they have in that scenario and would give them some deadly Tau weapons. They would most likely outclass most regular marines.
@@timdillon4876 they might be like the mentor legion, space marines who have vastly superior tech to other chapters and who spread out their warriors to support wider Imperial forces. Imagine space marines with battlesuit support systems and plasma rifles!
The BEST scenario I could think of to create the conditions (not the outcome) for Space Marines joining the Tau would be an isolated platoon or less from one of the more 'heretical' (ie, not fanatical) Chapters being cut off from their higher command due to warp storms, while being in contact with the Farsight Enclaves, while facing a larger outside context threat. Even then, it would likely be a temporary marriage of convenience, but it's the one most likely to happen.
I could see a renegade Space Marine chapter that turned pirate work for the Tau, but they'd purely be mercenaries/privateers and would likely turn on them the moment someone that had a better deal came along. That said, most people at that point that could potentially give them a better deal either would kill them on site for heresy or have super-massive drawbacks like eating their souls.
I could imagine a scenario, were the big E awakens, learns about the existence, technological advancements and extremely high quality wares of the T'au and decides to negotiate allyance with them. Big E convinces humankind, that merging their tech with the T'au is beneficial. The unstopable warmashine would be created with Spacemarines that are using T'au tech enhanced weapons, Armour that is more resilient and more mobile, unmatched firpower turning heavy armoured targets inside-out. Beyond Visual Range weaponry mounted on a living tank (i mean the space marines), that has strong melee capabilities as well. Having a stealth suit spacemarine is also a kind of badass thing. ...or a Baneblade equipped with railguns from a T'au warship. The possibilities are truly endless. It would give even the most powerful necron overlord some serious headache.
Yeah and then you wake up and realise its 40k and the decisions that are made are highly illogical and xenophobic and knowing that the big e would probably just declare the tau as the next nuke spot
Imagine Raven Guard Space Marine who already Stealth specialist using Tau technology for guirella warfare, sabotage and many undercover Operatoon, boy Corvus corax gonna be Cry of Joy.
the only way i could see an astartes going along with the tau is if they're among the few survivors after fighting tyranids (together) for at least eight days straight, and the tau didn't act like they were trying to use the marines for conquest (maybe)
So first of all. Love that art. So interesting lore thing for the tau. Now bear in mind this is spoilers for the book war of secrets and also as a book i dunno how canon it is. Like Majorkill rightly said, they aren't gonna have space marines in the traditional sense of shove geneseed inside a child and get a demigod in return. But they may get super solders in a different way. So does anyone remember O'Kais from Dawn of War? The so called nice guy who gave you a chance to surrender before blowing you up with ruthless efficiency? So he took a massive turn. What happened was like other commander he was put in stasis for plot reasons i mean because the tau need to keep their heroes on ice till they are needed. Something went wrong and he was conscious through it all even though his body was on ice. Somehow, the was then fed scenarios straight to his mind that trained him to have plans for any eventuality. Long story short, he was then woken up, given a ghostkeel and proceeded to single handedly take on a fortress monastery (admittedly of a throwaway space marine successor chapter on a fuedal world) with his kill streak only endind after he took out the chapter masters body guards and said chapter master calling in an orbital bombardment right on the monastery itself (and even then he got away). It was then revealed that this method of implanting war plans in a person would be tested further. Yeah the tau will never have the strength to rival a space marine, but they have the minds and the tech to potentially surpass them.
Wow, that's genuinely crap 😑 I've not come across it (mention or otherwise) in any official or accepted into lore capacity, so I'm guessing it's just some Tau fanboy writing Tumblr fantasy.
Definitely not an entire fortress monastery. You heavily misunderstand how massive those things are. Sure ghostkeel are all but undetectable by the imperium, but he'd be caught one way or another.
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I wonder if the Astartes couldn't become some sort of vassals, similar to how the Kroot maintain a significant degree of autonomy. That's basically how most chapters work within the Imperium anyway, ruling whole worlds, systems, and even entire regions (like the Ultramarines do). The Tau could give a chapter a planet or system on the edge of their territory, and basically use them as an extremely powerful "buffer state" against incoming threats like Ork Waaaaghs or Tyranid Hive Fleets. Imagine a future where the entire united galaxy is defended by a solid wall of fortified chapter homeworlds on it's outer edge.
As far as I'm concerned, a space marine that falls to Chaos is the epitome of the whole 'you had one job' meme. They were created to protect humanity, but somehow that was too difficult for them to do.
from what I've heard they quarantine them, my source being a story called "The masters bidding" a word bearer was describing how the T'au straight up abandoned the planet due to a massive Psyker outbreak, which paved the way for their guys to roll on in and convert the planet to chaos. On the one hand it makes sense that the T'au would treat it like that but on the other it seemed really out of character for the T'au to give up on a PLANET chock full of resources just because they barely understand warp-stuff. Especially since they're gonna have to learn more about it eventually.
@@comradekenobi6908 i think they sorta see the imperium history with chaos, and go "if a fucking millon strong faction, almost fucking got wiped out in galactic war due to someone messing with this "warp stuff" i don't even wanna see what will happen to us if more of these guys were to pop up on our human population."
Just to add my two cents, while I think that you're right about not giving the Tau access to Space Marines for narrative reasons the idea could probably be made to work. Best case scenario I see is one of the aforementioned Non-Chaos Renegade Chapters decides to go to the far side of the Tau Empire to escape Imperial attention and wind up working in a mercenary capacity for the Tau against other enemies like the Tyranids or Orks. If this relationship lasts long enough it leads to agreements having the Tau repair and upgrade/replace their equipment and make up their losses with aspirants from among the gue'vasa slowly introducing "For the Greater Good" into the Chapter's philosphy until a couple of centuries down the road the Tau realise they've got their own Chapter of Space Marines commited to the Greater Good. Also yes that Tau equipped Astartes art was awesome
The skill gap( even though a tau-startes would likely go through some of the most rigorous training, would definitely be supplemented by Tau tech battle suits, which would be sick
I’ve actually wondered if maybe Alpha Legion wouldn’t attempt to join the T’au Empire. Not out of any great belief in the Greater Good, but to get their hands on that sweet tech, infiltrate the human enclaves in the empire, and stir up rebellions in the name of Chaos. Maybe even get their hands on psykers which would normally be culled by the Imperium.
I prefer Tau sticking to advanced mech suits and other xeno allies myself. While I do like a great deal of the artwork people have come up with designing Tau Astartes armor I hope they never become official canon.
@@thug4lyfe you mean like have astartes in a Tau crisis suit? Well for one that would be a custom crisis suit when you consider how much bigger a space marine is when compared to a Tau. So probably wouldn't look anything like a normal Tau
So in resume: trying to convince a space marine to become a Tau empire warrior has the same difficult level than trying to convince an american that Russia now its not commie and also Spain its not in south america.
Honestly, it's more common nowadays for Astartes Chapters to be declared Heretics, and instead of handing their souls over to Chaos, they just become renegade loyalists that still fight for the Emperor. It would probably only take one chapter like this that trust the Tau to jump over. All the Tau would have to do is promise to help them fight Chaos.
Ultra Marines still undergo a grueling selection process with an incredibly high death-rate. Everything seems civilized with Ultra Marines until they drop of children to various training worlds/moons that are designated as death worlds.
Not gonna lie, the idea of Space Marines working with the Tau and integrating sounds pretty neat. Maybe as Renegades that do it to fight a bigger threat, or as part of a truce between the Tau and Imperium to fight against mutual enemies.
A lot of Inquisitors are just normal humans with very shitty will power, it makes sense that they would join the Tau. A Space Marine is engineered to be uncorruptible (which is somewhat successful). I mean, a lot of Inquisitors have fallen to chaos because a lot of Inquisitors are assholes and phonies, not saying they all are though.
@@kevski_021 have you read the Damocles crusade books? A former inquisitor nearly convinced an Ultramarine to turncoat. Space Marines are far from perfect, and their loyalties vary in strength. Sounds more like you have a weak understanding of the lore.
@@embarkingolive The same lore that has several versions of the same events,characters. You are still wrong my friend,or at least outnumbered in your opinion.
With the Great Rift being a thing. I'd see some chapters like the Salamanders and their successors joining them as less of a "fuck the emps" and more "protect the people, we are cut off but the Tau want chaos gone too"
Honestly, I feel like the closest the Tau will get to a space marine, would either be a scaled down but incredibly efficient and powerful mech, or they finally decide to use some genetic augmentation to give some warriors a massive amount of buffs. Like, if I could think of how it'd go, a successful Tau version would need two or three, to take on a normal Imperial Space Marine.
0:01 LMAO. Even Primarchs do stupid things sometimes. Girlyman even suicided himself against Morty because an Aeldar Farseer said, "Dude. Trust". Exactly just like Alpharius with the Cabal.
Space Marines may still possibly join the T'au empire. Shadowsun gained the respect of some White Scars. I think she almost managed to convince them to defect at some point. I wouldn't say defection would be impossible, just highly unlikely and never on a grand scale.
I haven't watched the video yet as I've spotted it just before work. I just had to chime in and say that I've seen tau-style astartes armor and it looks amazing.
7:12 the Tau advanced far past the imperium of man when it comes to technology not to mention that the space marines that died while in Tau custody literally have the secret ingredient for making geneseed in their bodies which the Tau at least the faction of the Tau not dominated by the ethereals could work out what they are and then by studying them how to make geneseed
@@koiafterwakeaname8991 Unless they would recruit from the children of the Gue'Vesa or something which in itself would be very...questionable and could lead to some interesting plot points like can they get fanatical in their pursuit of the Greater Good.
This just brings to mind that one picture of the "Compensator class" Dreadnought that had about 16 racks of missiles on it and 5 cannons per arm. Not sure if any chapter would allow one of their honorable brother's bodies to be desecrated in such a way but by god would a tau dreadnaught be some bullshit to deal with both on tabletop and in the lore.
Ok so I get that not every faction should just have space Marines But hear me out A Chapter that's entirely converted into Genestealers that uses crusading to repeatedly infect new planet after new planet after "saving" them through destructive tactics that preserve the biomass but significantly soften up the planetary infrastructure and defenses for when big papa hive fleet shows up for some noms.
T'au: *Join us* Space Marine: *NO!* T'au: *We'll give you toys* Space Marine: *No!* T'au: *A new plasma gun* Space Marine: *No* T'au: *A shiney new armor* Space Marine: *no* Tau: *"Slaps Emperors seal of approval"* Space Marine: *... Go on...*
The Tau would never accept them. There's that great old short story of an Astartes waking up from stasis in a Tau museum. Let's just say the Tau were not impressed.
while i agree that the t'au not having large numbers of space marines is a good thing i will always point at the time commander shadowsun invited korsarro khan on a date, even he admitted that he'd like that and that they could have been good friends.
@@kevski_021 i don't think he hates her considering how he acts i would say he respects her, however he is the master of the hunt so his assignments include beheading her.
Ah, good points, excellent art as well (I stumbled upon the author's work on Artstation some time ago). Good research (either the Damocles novels or the stories antology tackled this, the gist was in a way ''for tau to truly bring humanity into the fold, space marines must be eliminated to a man''). Seeing the stuff this guy did, made me revisit some of the SM armor designs I had sitting around (for those curious, stuff used as inspiration was this tau armor, elements of primaris armors, sprinkled in some crysis and tau xv8 battlesuits details, and ofc new guns and melee stuff to complement the 3 sets). Keep up the good work, good sir.
_"We would like to make an alliance with your Imperium."_ _"Never! Filthy xenos!"_ _"We can streamline the process of creating Space Marines."_ _"...I'll contact the High Lords."_
I remember in iirc was a farsight book. An earth caste tau tried to mess with a gellar field. Which promptly blew up in his face and sent him flying. Don't worry, he was fine. The other earth and water caste guys did get a good laugh at his expense tho.
@@calebbarnhouse496 Do you not know that Battle suits are leagues advanced to Knights and even some Titans, more common and and more flexible? To compare the two is a great disservice to the both of them.
@@meager992 so really you just want to cry about how the tau have better tech, sorry that the faction that is built off high tech equipment has better and more common mechs because it's there staple, but yea, if the got some space marines that clearly means that the imperium would have to get given tons of new and improved primaris battlesuits that outperform everything they had beforehand
@@calebbarnhouse496 No child, that's not it. I'm really just crying about all the Tau fans who shit on the Imperium consistently but then turn around and want to make Tau marines a thing. They have their tech, they have their advanced weaponry and battle suits, leave the gene enhanced freaks to the Deldar and the Imperium.
The White Scars in my opinion are the most likely to work with the Farsight Enclaves if they found out the Enclaves could develop and strap even bigger thrusters onto their backs and make their hit and run tactics even more effective. Plus their palletes kinda match already
I can imagine the Tau start trying to make their own space marines. And then I can see EVERY Black Templar fleet immediately turn to towards Tau space with exterminatus weapons at the ready.
theoretically certain warbands would be more likely, Nightlords, Iron Warriors, and Alpha legion that haven't fallen to Chaos but are still resentful of the Imperium would be feasible, at least for alliance (the warband gets resources in exchange for raiding tau enemies.) Privateers on Earth worked the same way.
This ought to be an interesting one. Also would love to see some content about popular Black Library characters like Gaunt, Ciaphas Cain, Uriel Ventris, The Soul Hunter, etc.
I would like to point out that the Emperor's origional plan for the galaxy was not too dissimilar to the greater good, essentially turning the entire galaxy into a utopia in contrast to what the imperium has become. a fanatical, corrupt, and mind crushingly beaurocratic colossus. who knows maybe they might interpret Tau'va as nore similar to the emperor's will than what the imperium actually is right now.
You're short selling the Tau's ability to train brave soldiers. If fire warriors and Gue'vesa can not turn tail at the sight of a greater demons, why cant they train space marines to be that brave?
The bravery wouldn’t be as hard, but I think the trouble is the lack of biological compatibility when it comes to combat. Tau see different, have different Joints, and certainly lack the experience chapter masters could potentially teach their own recruits. So i’d imagine a tau astartes would be fairly lacking in martial arts, or multi terrain combat. Maybe if they used kroot to train them they could compensate for the lack of melee skill but I dunno.
It could happen at some point as a way of getting hold of some of their ridiculous long range weaponry. The Tau make a deal whereby they have some space marine chapters guard the outer limits of their empire in exchange for it. Guilliman would probably make sure he has spies in those groups anyway and the Tau would put failsafes in the weapons likewise.
Maybe the grey knights will stomp some daemons for them in exchange for less idiotic looking mechs. I mean, if they were willing to make deals with Necrons, surely Tau are much easier to deal with.
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That sure definitely be the next model you do I would love to buy some tau space marines
HERESY HERESY HERESY OH GOD ITS HERESY!!!
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion May the witch hunters come and burn 🔥 the heretic.
If the Tau tried really hard to create Space Marines. They would end up with the equivalent of a Spartan 4 in Halo being compared to a Spartan 2.
Or your standard modern infantryman compared to the SAS.
And then get raped by the Imperium. For the attempt at creating a Space Marine and the corruption of the God Emperor's great works.
Of course I agree that an Astartes would never join the Tau BUT...
Those illustrations of theoretical Tau space marine armor look amazing.
If they ever decide to at least work together, maybe a space marine chapter could get their hands on some Tau technology.
@@christopherreynolds4506 The Mentors would be the most likely Chapter to adapt readily to Tau tech, much to the consternation of the Mechanicum.
@Chris Prescott agreed, it looks really neat
@@RokkitGrrl I completely understand the mechanicums point of view. A boltgun is like a M1911, you don't fix what isn't broken.
@@Marth667 how many militaries currently use the 1911. Sure the short recoil, tilting barrel system has become mainstay but the actual gun is not desired by militaries, with higher capacity, lightweight striker fired guns being adopted by nearly all military and police agencies. Also the bolt gun has been fixed plenty of times, hence the number of variations of it.
Just to make it clear I do like the 1911 even if I do prefer the hi-power.
I'd think a tech marine would be tempted. Imagine all that technology you get to play with as well as Tau waifus who may not be pretty but would share your hobbies.
You miss the fact that Techmarines are trained on Mars, as part of the machine cult, and as such believe that humanity already peaked in the dark age, and innovating is tech-heresy
Definitely not cause the tau sphere is like the size of 2 solar systems where as the imperium is like 600 million solar systems lmfao.
What good is ultra tech when one starfleet could just detonate their suns and literally remove tau as a species from the setting
Ever heard of Tech Heresy?
@@Scratch-zx1bw the only ones who would are the dark angels perosnal* forge world on the rock who are trained not to be dogmatic as mars but pragmatic and progressive. They are the ones who keep some of the dark age tech running for the dangles,
Other than that it i totally could see a fuckin dark mechanicus resurgence on a tau sept world that was stolen, turned into some crazy death star machine and they just run away with tau tech and make it twisted and imbued with AI or something wild. A mix of grim dark on the tau machines would be absolutely insane
@@SuperOmegaBerserker So why haven't they?
Honestly, I could totally see a Renegade "not truly traitor" Ultramarine successor chapter join up with the Tau as a form of protest and opportunity to sue for peace. Basically trying to convince Guillaman that the Tau are not worth the ammo and have the same enemies as the Imperium, just like how Guillaman and Yvraine created a pseudo alliance between Eldar and man. I honestly think a book about that would be really cool.
it wouldnt last but given the enemies at the moment its the smart move
@@reform-revolution Smart and logical seems to not existed in WH which is given, since the warp literally warped those concepts.
@@reform-revolution Exactly no ones saying it has to be a permenant alliance but at least a seize fire and temporary one until the galaxy is stablized i mean even the choas gods have the reason ablity to do this when ever one of them becomes cheif power they work togther to overthrow him then go back to fighting each other
Anything with Tau humans having to fight the imperium so rich for drama. I would love to see Tau space marine rookies go up against a loyalist chapter in an attempt to be taken seriously.
MAKE SURE ITS FARSIGHT AND NOT THE ETHEREALS
Lore-wise, Space Marines have been considered to be "lost causes" to the Tau Empire in the same veins as Orks and Tyranids. I forgot where, but I do recall reading somewhere that when the Tau did some kind of brain scanning on a Space Marine, the thought patterns were said to have been akin to a "living weapon", which was technically true, given what they were created for by the Master of Mankind. Against a common foe, they may work together, but integration of a Space Marine into Tau society is simply impossible.
I'm just going off on what I know, so pardon me if there are contradictions.
No, it's about right. That's why space marines are not really considered human (Gue'la), and are referrered to as Gue'ron'sha instead.
Do we know in which novel this is?
Well, they are not even integrated into Human Society. Aside from the Ultramarine maybe, the other chapters living apart, taking human to use as servants or recruits, and coordinating with the Imperium rather than as part of their army.
Even the Inquisition tread carefully around them because the extent of their authority over them is in a grey area
@@Contevent the Salamanders live outside the nocture fortres, sharing home with regular humans, if they are not diying or crusading.
@@domenicoazzia4153 I think it might have been in one of the older Tau codexes. It sounds really familiar.
Space Marine and Tau on preview:
-For the Great... Emprah?
-Yeah... almost so
He's a little confused but he's got the spirit.
-Tau: pretty close buddy, you can do it.
-Spame Marine: for the emprah good?.
-Tau: now you are going back.
-Space Marine: come on! I'm trying.
@@cedricallman9733 You could actually try to trick or at least convience a space marine to fight for the greater good(one of the original, non-emperor worshiping guys.) since the original mission was to have a better future for humanity with no war, and if you actually convienced one of these guys with the "greater good"(no war, peace and shit.) you could actually have a tau space marine screaming "FOR THE GREATER GOOD!," or for the emperor, either way it's almost the same.
(hiding this from hardcore lore fans.) i dunno a lot about dreadnoughts, but if you found one of the ancient ones who sorta remembers the emperor's original mission, they you might actually have one who's gotten disappointed with the imperium of man just sorta deserting to the T'au for their "greater good".
He a little confused but he got the spirit
@@somefurryguy1811 i mean the greater good i s just to prosper just spread tales of how emperor and human came today overcomjng i hurdles just for the kind to prosper and boom convincved
survive adapt prosper is what man does best emperor does a lot for man throught his many countless lifetimes
The only chapter that I could concider defecting to the Tau empire would be the Iron Hands. Their idea of enhancing themselves through tech would seem very appealing, especially being the chapter who first lacked a primarch.
One problem: Tech Heresy. Also the iron hands are into a lot of survival of the fittest, whilst the Tau kinda contrast that with xenophilia and essentially space communism. Plus I haven't seen extensive use of cybernetics within the Tau. The most you could expect from the Iron hands is respect for the Tau's progress.
Mmm, don't forget about the Mentors, at least the Rogue Trader version, where they were basically the "special forces" chapter of the Astartes and had access to even xenos technology.
@@kevski_021 I'll agree to that. Maybe we can meet in the middle and at least say it'd be really cool if the two somehow teamed up against Chaos or Tyranids. It'd be really funny if two member of each faction argued about upgrades or somthing like that.
@@kevski_021 the iron hands don't care about tech-heresies it is said that they're trying to turn themselves into AIs
The iron hands would never defect to the tau, they were one of the three chapters who were the spearhead of the Damocles crusade, it would be stupid writing to have the marine chapter who probably had the highest kill count in the crusade join the faction they crusaded
I think if the Tau Empire or more likely the Farsight Enclaves ever gave permission to their Gue'vesa population to create super soldiers, it would look less like Astartes and more like one of the 4 Spartan programs from Halo. The way Spartans are made from any of the 4 programs would fit the tau vibe alot more closely.
exactly instead of mobile tanks tau super soilders would be all about mobility and strike fast and leave style warfare ala the spartans
@@wilmagregg3131 I think they would allow their gue'vesa to make super soldiers first, not only because its a field of science they have little experience in and would require them to dip their toes in first, but also because they could serve as human champions of the tau'va, (the greater good) and help inspire other gue'vesa to stay loyal to the tau'va in the same way space marines do for the imperial guard. The gue'vesa tend to freak out when they see faith based miracles on the battle field when facing the imperium.
Tau Scions
@@aquilatheolive5817 Tau'va scions, I think would work better for a name.
@@Jack-0-lantern yea that ‘va really makes it. I think Tau Stormtroopers would be better tho
Imagine a space marine librarian trained by eldar and equiped with tau made battle armor
Rip orks,chaos,nids and everyone else.
The Holy Emperor and the chaos gods left the chat in rage quit. xD
That might actually make them give the adeptus custodes a little challenge.
@@josephsuh525 not even close tbh
Tau with space marines would be comparable to taking skinny high school nerds, make them design weapons of another level, then juicing up some footballers and giving them this tech
Sorta like Captain America
@@r1cosito yes, but the scientists are blue
If Tau made something like spacemarines they would probably look more like spartans from Halo.
@@shadearca probably, but primaris marines are just better than almost any standard infantry units, in lore at least, they also have incredible psykers, not saying they are better, but generally I would say 10 primaris marines (intercessors, maybe even hellblasters) can kill most standard infantry units, that being said I am only a 40k nerd, not a Halo one, but from what I understand I might be right
@@seamuswimhurst1136 modern halo yea but the forerunners?, no.
The Tau should just show off those armour concepts, the Astartes could be swayed because they look sweet af
Doubt they could make it
I guess they tried to reproduce them but was shit compared to Mk.X
I'm surprised that the Tau don't mass produce a droid army with them emphasizing mecha and long range fire power. This would both bolster thier numbers and give them more variety.
Drone spam, welcome to 8th Ed. Tau
Ever heard of the Men of Iron?
The issue with this is that is exactly what they are trying to do. Building those Mech suits, heavy weapons, and swarms of drones is extremely resource intensive and the tau empire doesn’t have millions of worlds like the imperium and because of that they don’t have the population or industry on the worlds they do control to do that either. As the video said they are fairly new and reproduce and expand very slowly many worlds they control don’t have the infrastructure to run such large operation to mass produce drones.
@@assaultghost00 You only need one single world or moon smelted down and reforged over a single century by self-replicating drones to create a fleet larger than all other fleets in the galaxy combined, including the Tyranids.
The problem the factions have is that they don't do self-replicating machines.
@@Hust91 also, that there's nothing "simple" about smelting down even a small moon, let alone the infrastructure needed to process that amount of material, or the insane amount of power needed to fuel such a process.
Even with all of the blatant cheating the 40k universe does... It's a big deal.
I feel like there are only 3 ways for this to happen all of which are far fetched:
1) The Tau crack the gene seed code and start turning their guevesa into space marines
2) A chapter that has been deemed renegade by the Imperium strikes a deal with the Tau where they take refuge in their space and recruit from their guevesa planets in exchange of working as privateers for them agains non IOM threats like Orks and Nids
3) If one of the returning Primarchs (probably Khan) decides to ally with them and brings some of his sons with him
Tau Khan- now that’s a image
Why the Khan, if I may ask? Did the Khan have a history of allying with xenos? I’m not saying he absolutely wouldn’t, I’m just curious as to your reasoning behind it.
@@maxducks2001 Not sure why he was mentioned specifically here, but he does seem like the "getting shit done" type of primarch, and if that means getting a bunch of high-tech tadpoles on side, I don't see why he'd say no.
@@maxducks2001 Probably because Tau Empire is basically Japan in space, and White Scars are Asian-themed (specifically Mongol Golden Horde). So this mix is something I can see it being possibly canon in the future.
Maybe Vulkan might be better. He was relatively friendly to Xenos, and would be the most appalled by the state of the Imperium.
Raven gaurd literally said "miss me with that weab shit" and gave himself a double heart attack
I mean, their motto/battle cry literally means victory or death. So if he can't wipe them out, he's gonna switch his own lights off.
I mean I think it's stated in a codex that the imperium knows it can wipe out the tau, but they'd need to divert resources and man power from more important theaters of war when they just can't afford to. So in the meantime they're more than content to ignore them in order to use them to slow down the tyranids, cause either way aliens die without human casualties and the tau are surprisingly good at killing nids in the lore.
which codex?
because they tried crusading the Tau before but it technically didn't succeed (don't believe the wikis, they make everything marked as "Imperial decisive victory")
@@alphanoodle1877 couldn't say, I have a hard time remembering where every bit of lore comes from. But I dont see the two as mutually exclusive. As in maybe the imperium tried to crusade the tau, failed, did the math to figure out what it would take to wipe them out and decided it just wasn't worth it. Same reason they don't go after craftworlds. They pulled it off once at great expense and needed the deus ex machina of the legion of the damned to win, and then the other craftworlds went apeshit on them. So now they're content to ignore them unless directly antagonize cause the cost outweighs the benefits, and they understand the eldar are slowly going extinct anyway.
They're good at killing nids because their preferred strategy it to detect them en route and blast them into space dust from memory. Nids don't go into the warp to space travel; it's actually an interesting weakness only the Tau seem to take advantage of.
i think imperium has more than enough to wipe out the threats but considering the corruption nah having big e would help but considering how bad it went last time nah
They're by far my favourite fan made "chapter" or sub faction. Like the artwork people make for these is bloody amazing. I'd spend way too much money on models for them if were around
‘You can just take a kid and load him full of geneseed’.
We got him bois
Kinda off topic:
This reminded me of that one episode of Emperor TTS where Magnus suggested to his Dad to manipulate the Tau into working for the Imperium. Which while impossible should that happen I cant help but to imagine the toaster loving redhooded cyborgs getting replaced by the Tau who will offer the Imperium especially the Astartes with more cooler and decent gear.
Yeah, honestly ? If the tau gave tech instead of the mechanicus, it would be game over, no way you can make the imperium more op than that
@Demoiselle_Chris Maybe at some point they will innovate and surpass the mechanicus. But the fandom said that Mechanicus still have better technologies than the Tau. It just that the Tau have better gear than the average imperium force. Also the Emperor doesn't like AI either. If at one point the Tau have their own cybernetic revolt in the future, then in this scenario the imperium will have another men of iron uprising. The machine spirit seem to have more loyaltly
Although the integration may eventually cause the tau robots to develop machine spirits due to the beliefs of the imperial populace that all machines have a machine spirit, possibly stunting or at the very least blunting a man of iron uprising
Brother, have you tried these Tau plasma rifles!? No longer do we need to worry about them blowing us up! It's fantastic brother! Not to mention those creepy toaster fuckers aren't trying to oil us up and...
It's totally something the emperor would do as well...just absorb them
“Not every faction should be a copy of another”
Chaos😬
It's impressive how you can pump out quality WH40k vids at this rate for 2-3 years, and always come up with fresh and entertaining content.
He just has to pump vids a bit slower for the 9th edition to come
I'd quite like to see the T'au make super soldiers, upgrading the Fire caste to the Inferno caste in small numbers. Big blue blokes bashing baddies.
Except they'd probably deem it inefficient, and a corruption of the Holy Tau Form, and then just build bigger battlesuits.
I mean, a battlesuit does make more sense. Theyre likely cheaper to build, theyre more flexibile, they already come armored, and you can tape a whole bunch of weapons to them
@@genericprofile2381 but, they are restricted by the abilities of the pilot. Faster reaction times alone would make battlesuits much more dangerous.
Some of this can be compensated for with ai, which the tau use, but without upgrading the pilot, you eventually end up just making robots, and at that point the whole thing can devolve into a right men of iron moment.
If you look at lore, a fire caste fire warrior is the tau equivalent. They practice eugenics to make "super tau" only Sept worlds with the harshest living conditions are allowed to make fire warriors etc
@@CyrodiilCome eugenics is a far cry from gene editing (kinda), but your point is taken
Meanwhile, Farseight would just get super-soldiers... x)
I can totally get behind a lot of your points, and you might be right that creating their own space marines would probably attract to much attention... buuuut that's only if the imperium found out? A handful of created marines that were used as say... planetary guards should said planet fall under duress, might be useful to the Tau of the Enclaves. After all, with such limited access to worlds in the first place, giving up ground as the Tau war practices have been, isn't all that great idea when you can only retreat so far. Having a small (and I do mean small) selection of Space marines to help fortify more "key" planets in the Enclave would allow specific worlds to perhaps survive when they would otherwise fall. In essence the Tau space marines would act more as the custodies (granted they would be regular space marine strength and by no means an ACTUAL custodies). With them mostly remaining on planet, and tucked away for use should things get bad... it's possible that the Imperium would never actually find out.
All that being said, I don't think you'd ever see them on the table. They would be in such limited number, and so far and few between, I don't see how you could use them... but in the story, I think it could be possible. Also what about traitor legions that left the imperium for other reasons, and just eventually settle in with the Tau? Not very likely again, as the Tau are REAAAALLY small, so the odds of everything lining up would be remote, but might happen? I mean, it is one section of space you're guaranteed not to really be found if you're a renegade. Though at that point they probably just harass the Tau, and dwell in the area rather than full on co-operate... so there is that.
Knowing the Tau, the water caste would probably go into overdrive with the space marines as a propaganda tool for recruiting human worlds more than an actual fighting force! Like the first half of the Captain America movie. And if they were never deployed to a warzone idk if the imperium would ever believe there was substance to the rumours.
That said, I could see Tau marines being trained as operators and fight more like the deathwatch. Fancy Tau camo fields, extremely OP long rifles etc
Plus the tau aren't immediately hostile to space marines, as proven by the death watch novels. Though its been awhile since ive read any warhammer lore at all. Im in it for the art side and cool figures.
The Tau would definitely give these marines the best upgrades they have in that scenario and would give them some deadly Tau weapons. They would most likely outclass most regular marines.
@@timdillon4876 they might be like the mentor legion, space marines who have vastly superior tech to other chapters and who spread out their warriors to support wider Imperial forces. Imagine space marines with battlesuit support systems and plasma rifles!
Wouldn't any marines sharing the same Primarch figure out one way or another eventually due to the psychic link between brothers?
The BEST scenario I could think of to create the conditions (not the outcome) for Space Marines joining the Tau would be an isolated platoon or less from one of the more 'heretical' (ie, not fanatical) Chapters being cut off from their higher command due to warp storms, while being in contact with the Farsight Enclaves, while facing a larger outside context threat.
Even then, it would likely be a temporary marriage of convenience, but it's the one most likely to happen.
I actually have 3D printed a few Gue'ron'Vesa for my Tau Bandit army. Naturally completely unusable in any tournament, but bench play is alot of fun
I could see a renegade Space Marine chapter that turned pirate work for the Tau, but they'd purely be mercenaries/privateers and would likely turn on them the moment someone that had a better deal came along. That said, most people at that point that could potentially give them a better deal either would kill them on site for heresy or have super-massive drawbacks like eating their souls.
I think it'd be cool if the new Tau Codex actually conferred bonuses for alliances with various non-Tau races.
I could imagine a scenario, were the big E awakens, learns about the existence, technological advancements and extremely high quality wares of the T'au and decides to negotiate allyance with them. Big E convinces humankind, that merging their tech with the T'au is beneficial.
The unstopable warmashine would be created with Spacemarines that are using T'au tech enhanced weapons, Armour that is more resilient and more mobile, unmatched firpower turning heavy armoured targets inside-out. Beyond Visual Range weaponry mounted on a living tank (i mean the space marines), that has strong melee capabilities as well.
Having a stealth suit spacemarine is also a kind of badass thing.
...or a Baneblade equipped with railguns from a T'au warship.
The possibilities are truly endless.
It would give even the most powerful necron overlord some serious headache.
Big E actually did have a few alien protectorates at first if they were peaceful and didn't pose a threat at all he probably left them be
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Big E was slightly less genocidal then his sons oddly
Yeah and then you wake up and realise its 40k and the decisions that are made are highly illogical and xenophobic and knowing that the big e would probably just declare the tau as the next nuke spot
@@spelam9828 the Imperium has worked with xenos before to defeat greater threats ..... again its possible but not for long
Imagine Raven Guard Space Marine who already Stealth specialist using Tau technology for guirella warfare, sabotage and many undercover Operatoon, boy Corvus corax gonna be Cry of Joy.
Space marines with tau technology would be BEYOND overpowered.
The day the imperium and the tau become one is the day they win.
so never ....... cause its WH and nothing can be nice or happy
Doubt it
What fucking HeRESYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!??!?!?
Self-induced double heart attack is one of the funniest things I've ever heard from 40K.
I had to pause immediately as I cannot fathom such heresy, the inquisition is everywhere.
Laughs in chaos. 😂
Some Space Marines consider Tau as honorable
They could work together
Could imagine how broken op an Astartes would be rocking Tau tech.
the only way i could see an astartes going along with the tau is if they're among the few survivors after fighting tyranids (together) for at least eight days straight, and the tau didn't act like they were trying to use the marines for conquest (maybe)
So first of all. Love that art. So interesting lore thing for the tau. Now bear in mind this is spoilers for the book war of secrets and also as a book i dunno how canon it is. Like Majorkill rightly said, they aren't gonna have space marines in the traditional sense of shove geneseed inside a child and get a demigod in return. But they may get super solders in a different way.
So does anyone remember O'Kais from Dawn of War? The so called nice guy who gave you a chance to surrender before blowing you up with ruthless efficiency? So he took a massive turn. What happened was like other commander he was put in stasis for plot reasons i mean because the tau need to keep their heroes on ice till they are needed. Something went wrong and he was conscious through it all even though his body was on ice. Somehow, the was then fed scenarios straight to his mind that trained him to have plans for any eventuality. Long story short, he was then woken up, given a ghostkeel and proceeded to single handedly take on a fortress monastery (admittedly of a throwaway space marine successor chapter on a fuedal world) with his kill streak only endind after he took out the chapter masters body guards and said chapter master calling in an orbital bombardment right on the monastery itself (and even then he got away). It was then revealed that this method of implanting war plans in a person would be tested further. Yeah the tau will never have the strength to rival a space marine, but they have the minds and the tech to potentially surpass them.
Hold on ive seen this before... ITS ONE OF THOSE IMPERIAL ASSASSINS!!!
I AM NOW CONVINCED THIS IS WHAT STORMTROOPERS LOOK LIKE TO REBELS IN STARWARS
Wow, that's genuinely crap 😑
I've not come across it (mention or otherwise) in any official or accepted into lore capacity, so I'm guessing it's just some Tau fanboy writing Tumblr fantasy.
@@creamygoodness292 don’t be so harsh it’s a cool idea
Definitely not an entire fortress monastery. You heavily misunderstand how massive those things are. Sure ghostkeel are all but undetectable by the imperium, but he'd be caught one way or another.
Im glad there are other factions then space marines... sadly some companies have forgotten.
SLAMS OPEN PRESSURIZED DOOR*
Commander Farsight: WHY WEREN’T YOU AT SPACE WEEB PRACTICE!!!
Oi don't want ta be a space Weeb, Oi want ta be a dentist. I wanna eat Teef out ov a bowl loik Cereal.
@@The7Purplekirbies Noice, now go on some weird LSD adventures with an intelligent stag like Xeno with a radioactive tumor on the front of its cranium, so you may give the children of Krieg power glaives that look like shovels for Sanguinala.
I wonder if the Astartes couldn't become some sort of vassals, similar to how the Kroot maintain a significant degree of autonomy. That's basically how most chapters work within the Imperium anyway, ruling whole worlds, systems, and even entire regions (like the Ultramarines do).
The Tau could give a chapter a planet or system on the edge of their territory, and basically use them as an extremely powerful "buffer state" against incoming threats like Ork Waaaaghs or Tyranid Hive Fleets. Imagine a future where the entire united galaxy is defended by a solid wall of fortified chapter homeworlds on it's outer edge.
As far as I'm concerned, a space marine that falls to Chaos is the epitome of the whole 'you had one job' meme. They were created to protect humanity, but somehow that was too difficult for them to do.
A bigger question about the Tau. What do they do when a psycher naturally appears in their human populations?
from what I've heard they quarantine them, my source being a story called "The masters bidding" a word bearer was describing how the T'au straight up abandoned the planet due to a massive Psyker outbreak, which paved the way for their guys to roll on in and convert the planet to chaos. On the one hand it makes sense that the T'au would treat it like that but on the other it seemed really out of character for the T'au to give up on a PLANET chock full of resources just because they barely understand warp-stuff. Especially since they're gonna have to learn more about it eventually.
@@The7Purplekirbies learn the hard way?
@@comradekenobi6908 i think they sorta see the imperium history with chaos, and go "if a fucking millon strong faction, almost fucking got wiped out in galactic war due to someone messing with this "warp stuff" i don't even wanna see what will happen to us if more of these guys were to pop up on our human population."
Probably this psyker "disappears" and awakes in lab. Ta'u are not so kind as it seems from their propaganda.
Use em for fighting probably
Just to add my two cents, while I think that you're right about not giving the Tau access to Space Marines for narrative reasons the idea could probably be made to work. Best case scenario I see is one of the aforementioned Non-Chaos Renegade Chapters decides to go to the far side of the Tau Empire to escape Imperial attention and wind up working in a mercenary capacity for the Tau against other enemies like the Tyranids or Orks. If this relationship lasts long enough it leads to agreements having the Tau repair and upgrade/replace their equipment and make up their losses with aspirants from among the gue'vasa slowly introducing "For the Greater Good" into the Chapter's philosphy until a couple of centuries down the road the Tau realise they've got their own Chapter of Space Marines commited to the Greater Good.
Also yes that Tau equipped Astartes art was awesome
That gesture at 0:20 makes me uncomfortable
Guilleman and Caul just need to declare Tau to be a lost abhuman colony and absorb then into the empire
I mean. . . This could technically be true though, which is a really cool theory to think about
A majority of the Imperium populace can’t tell the difference between the Aquila and a parrot, so . . .
Tau space marine armour looks so good
The skill gap( even though a tau-startes would likely go through some of the most rigorous training, would definitely be supplemented by Tau tech battle suits, which would be sick
I’ve actually wondered if maybe Alpha Legion wouldn’t attempt to join the T’au Empire. Not out of any great belief in the Greater Good, but to get their hands on that sweet tech, infiltrate the human enclaves in the empire, and stir up rebellions in the name of Chaos. Maybe even get their hands on psykers which would normally be culled by the Imperium.
2:24 - a lot of edge lords' Razer Keyboards just crashed against their bedroom walls.
I prefer Tau sticking to advanced mech suits and other xeno allies myself. While I do like a great deal of the artwork people have come up with designing Tau Astartes armor I hope they never become official canon.
Why can't Tau marines jump in a crisis suit? Therefore solve the lack of melee issue?
@@thug4lyfe you mean like have astartes in a Tau crisis suit? Well for one that would be a custom crisis suit when you consider how much bigger a space marine is when compared to a Tau. So probably wouldn't look anything like a normal Tau
So in resume: trying to convince a space marine to become a Tau empire warrior has the same difficult level than trying to convince an american that Russia now its not commie and also Spain its not in south america.
I’m an American and I know Russia isn’t Communist
I’ve seen the youth b3at to sh17 communist
@@unifiedhorizons2663 A SOVIET SPY BOT HAS BEEN DETECTED SPREADING LIES. PREPARE FOR FREEDOM'S SWEAT EMBRACE!
Wait... They're not?
Do you even know what is communism? ,🙃
@@iljagaimovic9166 do you? Also do you know how to read? I dont see anything indicating he is miss using the word communism.
Honestly, it's more common nowadays for Astartes Chapters to be declared Heretics, and instead of handing their souls over to Chaos, they just become renegade loyalists that still fight for the Emperor. It would probably only take one chapter like this that trust the Tau to jump over. All the Tau would have to do is promise to help them fight Chaos.
Yeah, unfortunately zealous warriors would always be more powerful, than ones raised in relative ease, ultra marines are just the exception
Ultra Marines still undergo a grueling selection process with an incredibly high death-rate. Everything seems civilized with Ultra Marines until they drop of children to various training worlds/moons that are designated as death worlds.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 yup
Not really, i mean look at all thr modern wars vs zealot armies and wester armies. A kamikaze is not a winning strategy.
@@DareToWonder yeah but there’s a difference between being willing to fight to death for a cause and immediately killing yourself for a cause.
@@SykeowarriorPK its like the qoute in the Patton movie.
"your job isnt to die for your country but to make that SOB die for his!"
Yep, you're absolutely correct. They could be made even more interesting by adding some of their allied/subjugated races as troop types
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!! For the emperor.. the Big" E". He's awesome.. okay whatcha got blue turtle boy?..
Not gonna lie, the idea of Space Marines working with the Tau and integrating sounds pretty neat. Maybe as Renegades that do it to fight a bigger threat, or as part of a truce between the Tau and Imperium to fight against mutual enemies.
I mean, a former inquisitor joined the Tau. If they can, marines can/ will.
A lot of Inquisitors are just normal humans with very shitty will power, it makes sense that they would join the Tau. A Space Marine is engineered to be uncorruptible (which is somewhat successful). I mean, a lot of Inquisitors have fallen to chaos because a lot of Inquisitors are assholes and phonies, not saying they all are though.
@@adeptusdripstartes Irony of the Empire, they have easily corrupted folks police the shining stars of their armed forces.
Yeah... no. This an example of someone who doesn't know what a space marine is.
@@kevski_021 have you read the Damocles crusade books? A former inquisitor nearly convinced an Ultramarine to turncoat. Space Marines are far from perfect, and their loyalties vary in strength. Sounds more like you have a weak understanding of the lore.
@@embarkingolive The same lore that has several versions of the same events,characters.
You are still wrong my friend,or at least outnumbered in your opinion.
With the Great Rift being a thing. I'd see some chapters like the Salamanders and their successors joining them as less of a "fuck the emps" and more "protect the people, we are cut off but the Tau want chaos gone too"
The Mechanicus:
Tau tech is xenos technology,
Tau tech is xenos technology
Tau tech is - by the Omnissair's Grace - I need it!
Honestly, I feel like the closest the Tau will get to a space marine, would either be a scaled down but incredibly efficient and powerful mech, or they finally decide to use some genetic augmentation to give some warriors a massive amount of buffs.
Like, if I could think of how it'd go, a successful Tau version would need two or three, to take on a normal Imperial Space Marine.
0:01 LMAO. Even Primarchs do stupid things sometimes. Girlyman even suicided himself against Morty because an Aeldar Farseer said, "Dude. Trust". Exactly just like Alpharius with the Cabal.
To be fair if alpharius actually did anything useful he would've won the cause for Horus and well killed both humanity and chaos
Space Marines may still possibly join the T'au empire. Shadowsun gained the respect of some White Scars. I think she almost managed to convince them to defect at some point. I wouldn't say defection would be impossible, just highly unlikely and never on a grand scale.
LOL Not like Shadowsun's white armour didn't help :P
Also formerly dating a custodes and high lord of Terra probably helped her rap sheet.
@@moiramain2k "Not f*cking canon!" -A very angry cat
Honestly this sounds like a cool story idea, something to add a unique perspective of both the tau and empire
I haven't watched the video yet as I've spotted it just before work. I just had to chime in and say that I've seen tau-style astartes armor and it looks amazing.
7:12 the Tau advanced far past the imperium of man when it comes to technology not to mention that the space marines that died while in Tau custody literally have the secret ingredient for making geneseed in their bodies which the Tau at least the faction of the Tau not dominated by the ethereals could work out what they are and then by studying them how to make geneseed
I hope an Astartes chapter joins the Tau, that would actually be interesting
I’d see ‘em being used for more of a guard duty type as the tau wouldn’t like to lose them
@@koiafterwakeaname8991 Unless they would recruit from the children of the Gue'Vesa or something which in itself would be very...questionable and could lead to some interesting plot points like can they get fanatical in their pursuit of the Greater Good.
Maybe something like the Salamanders which apparently are some of the most humane chapters
This alternate history scenario is so awesome that it highlights how backwards-thinking the Imperium and GW are.
This just brings to mind that one picture of the "Compensator class" Dreadnought that had about 16 racks of missiles on it and 5 cannons per arm. Not sure if any chapter would allow one of their honorable brother's bodies to be desecrated in such a way but by god would a tau dreadnaught be some bullshit to deal with both on tabletop and in the lore.
Y’know, I left my heresy detector in my bedroom, but I can hear it going off from here.
Ok so I get that not every faction should just have space Marines
But hear me out
A Chapter that's entirely converted into Genestealers that uses crusading to repeatedly infect new planet after new planet after "saving" them through destructive tactics that preserve the biomass but significantly soften up the planetary infrastructure and defenses for when big papa hive fleet shows up for some noms.
T'au: *Join us*
Space Marine: *NO!*
T'au: *We'll give you toys*
Space Marine: *No!*
T'au: *A new plasma gun*
Space Marine: *No*
T'au: *A shiney new armor*
Space Marine: *no*
Tau: *"Slaps Emperors seal of approval"*
Space Marine: *... Go on...*
The Tau would never accept them.
There's that great old short story of an Astartes waking up from stasis in a Tau museum. Let's just say the Tau were not impressed.
whats it called
Retconning Tau to not have FTL travel was one of the worst lore decisions.
while i agree that the t'au not having large numbers of space marines is a good thing i will always point at the time commander shadowsun invited korsarro khan on a date, even he admitted that he'd like that and that they could have been good friends.
Doesn't korsarro hate shadowsun so much he chased her down to the point she got PTSD?
@@kevski_021 i don't think he hates her considering how he acts i would say he respects her, however he is the master of the hunt so his assignments include beheading her.
Eat A Tau says yes, yes they can. But seriously it's a good comic to read.
As long as reasonable marines are not canon, I really don't see a chance for marines joining the Tau.
Reasonable Marines as well as angry Marines are all Canon to me
Ah, good points, excellent art as well (I stumbled upon the author's work on Artstation some time ago). Good research (either the Damocles novels or the stories antology tackled this, the gist was in a way ''for tau to truly bring humanity into the fold, space marines must be eliminated to a man''). Seeing the stuff this guy did, made me revisit some of the SM armor designs I had sitting around (for those curious, stuff used as inspiration was this tau armor, elements of primaris armors, sprinkled in some crysis and tau xv8 battlesuits details, and ofc new guns and melee stuff to complement the 3 sets). Keep up the good work, good sir.
Only an Australian could survive this long after reaching impossible levels of heresy.
"FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE EMPIRE"
2:15 skip the shilling ads
😂😂
_"We would like to make an alliance with your Imperium."_
_"Never! Filthy xenos!"_
_"We can streamline the process of creating Space Marines."_
_"...I'll contact the High Lords."_
Its heresy, unless your an Alpha Legion doing some Alpharius IQ level play on the Tau.
do we know they arent already doing this?
@@reform-revolution do we know for sure the Tau arent Alpha Legionnaires?
@@gerardmontgomery280
would anyone be shocked?
@@reform-revolution they are quite blue...
@@word6344 and they are very crafty folks .....
I remember in iirc was a farsight book. An earth caste tau tried to mess with a gellar field. Which promptly blew up in his face and sent him flying.
Don't worry, he was fine. The other earth and water caste guys did get a good laugh at his expense tho.
The moment I see a An Astartes in Tau armor Officially, I'm demanding the Imperium get Battle suits and I'm gonna brigade that.
They already have battle suits in form of Dreadnoughts and Titans.
So do you just not know what imperial knights are? The imperium literally already has more kinds of mechs then the tau.
@@calebbarnhouse496 Do you not know that Battle suits are leagues advanced to Knights and even some Titans, more common and and more flexible? To compare the two is a great disservice to the both of them.
@@meager992 so really you just want to cry about how the tau have better tech, sorry that the faction that is built off high tech equipment has better and more common mechs because it's there staple, but yea, if the got some space marines that clearly means that the imperium would have to get given tons of new and improved primaris battlesuits that outperform everything they had beforehand
@@calebbarnhouse496 No child, that's not it. I'm really just crying about all the Tau fans who shit on the Imperium consistently but then turn around and want to make Tau marines a thing. They have their tech, they have their advanced weaponry and battle suits, leave the gene enhanced freaks to the Deldar and the Imperium.
Any Space Marine in the Tau empire would be both a boost and frightening sight for morale given how strong they are now.
I would love to see that in the new dawn of War game.
I can already see the blood Ravens being disgusted of the tau space marines.
The White Scars in my opinion are the most likely to work with the Farsight Enclaves if they found out the Enclaves could develop and strap even bigger thrusters onto their backs and make their hit and run tactics even more effective.
Plus their palletes kinda match already
still waiting for that space marine 2 video major
Yoooooo......
I want an entire figure set of Tau Astartese. They look cooler than my Custodese.
A tau space marine? I'm all for it
(Maybe not all for it, but they look good)
I feel like maybe a salamander might be willing to join the tau not all of them, but like a handful.
I wouldn't mind having one or maybe a few Taumarines, like named characters with their own backstory and shit, but an entire chapter? Hell nah, fam.
Maybe a company or three
@@thenerfkid9228 I can see a few squads like 5 to an entire company of different marines from different chapters and lineagez
I can imagine the Tau start trying to make their own space marines. And then I can see EVERY Black Templar fleet immediately turn to towards Tau space with exterminatus weapons at the ready.
They would suddenly stop being annoying and become a threat in the minds of the imperium
You got it wrong Major! The reason space marines don't join th Tao is because they focused on ranged weapons and not glouruse melee combat!
theoretically certain warbands would be more likely, Nightlords, Iron Warriors, and Alpha legion that haven't fallen to Chaos but are still resentful of the Imperium would be feasible, at least for alliance (the warband gets resources in exchange for raiding tau enemies.) Privateers on Earth worked the same way.
This ought to be an interesting one. Also would love to see some content about popular Black Library characters like Gaunt, Ciaphas Cain, Uriel Ventris, The Soul Hunter, etc.
I would like to point out that the Emperor's origional plan for the galaxy was not too dissimilar to the greater good, essentially turning the entire galaxy into a utopia in contrast to what the imperium has become. a fanatical, corrupt, and mind crushingly beaurocratic colossus. who knows maybe they might interpret Tau'va as nore similar to the emperor's will than what the imperium actually is right now.
You're short selling the Tau's ability to train brave soldiers. If fire warriors and Gue'vesa can not turn tail at the sight of a greater demons, why cant they train space marines to be that brave?
The bravery wouldn’t be as hard, but I think the trouble is the lack of biological compatibility when it comes to combat. Tau see different, have different Joints, and certainly lack the experience chapter masters could potentially teach their own recruits. So i’d imagine a tau astartes would be fairly lacking in martial arts, or multi terrain combat. Maybe if they used kroot to train them they could compensate for the lack of melee skill but I dunno.
It could happen at some point as a way of getting hold of some of their ridiculous long range weaponry.
The Tau make a deal whereby they have some space marine chapters guard the outer limits of their empire in exchange for it.
Guilliman would probably make sure he has spies in those groups anyway and the Tau would put failsafes in the weapons likewise.
0:48 Bet you 15 kangaroo coins his next hair cut is an undercut…. Because MajorKill is likely a weeb like most of us
Don't they use emu bucks?
@@SikenServent I’m not accepting those; too difficult to convert to springbok dollars
@@SikenServent Dollary-Doos
@@Sakura_Matou even better!
Quality of production has increased notably over that past year, keep the great work up mate
So all Marines would basically be vanguards, given their, er, liking of melee.
Maybe the grey knights will stomp some daemons for them in exchange for less idiotic looking mechs. I mean, if they were willing to make deals with Necrons, surely Tau are much easier to deal with.