I gave up on modern languages from all this hiring and testing crap. I just learned COBOL and got hired by a bank to maintain legacy APIs. I never turned back
IDK if that's true but that's a really great idea. There's countless JavaScript developers on the market, we should start studying the things that usually the people dont want to study and getting their jobs.
@stackwise_tv Ngl, I wouldn't reccomend learning COBOL since most of the instructure is being migrated to C, C++ or some memory safe language. I was lucky to get hired because a lot of old maintainers were retiring.
As a software engineer and seeing this video makes me realize all the business people are truly less miserable and can maintain the 9-5 cause they don’t actually have to try while making more money.
Thanks ✊... A lot of "big" software TH-camrs have been milking the "AI is coming for your job" anxiety wave while making more money off their subscribers' paranoia and fear. When they do that, it shows to great length how much they settled on grifting for TH-cam money and more importantly how little they know of machine learning. Of course I've made sure TH-cam never recommends their worthless channels to me again [after unsubscribing if I was ever unfortunate enough to be subscribed to content from such brains] Instantly subscribed!
I stumbled upon this video and it's a real gem. I wish I'd seen it before I graduated and started my career in IT - anyone can learn to code, but being a programmer can be a tough job mentally. I'm not in it for the money, I just want a job that lets me spend quality time with my family.
aight... this pep talk goes straight to the hard drive for when I'm feeling weak again. Thanks for that ^.^ One interesting aspect I'd might like to add is the community surrounding everything computing related - not only free and open source stuff, but also real life events, meetups and things like that. At least in Germany there is a really healthy ecosystem of enthusiasts surrounding the Chaos Compute Club. While only scratching the surface and going to one or two local meetups, I already got to know some really cool people. And there you find all kinds of computer nerds. Hobbyists with a completely unrelated day job, who operate a home lab, highly skilled code auditors, engineers and whatnot and everyone in between.
@@realGhostVirus Honestly the narrative that I’ve heard for years is that it’s a slightly challenging 6-9 month process before you qualify to find work in the field.
This video has certainly given me allot to think about. But at the end of the day there really isn't any other profession I have an interest in besides a few. All of those require degrees too. So despite everything you said i'll remain dedicated to getting a job in tech as a software engineer. It's something I've been perusing since high school, ever since i realized that I'm not awful at programming. I'm 24 with just a few classes left to finish my degree. I've started work on my portfolio and I'm hoping to land a job in 2025 even if just as an unpaid internship to start building industry experience. I can't actually tell if I'm all that passionate about software engineering, but i am not dispassionate either. This is a choice I made and one i want to stick to. I live in a vastly different country and allot of these negative perspectives on the job might not even apply to me. In the worst case even if they do I'll suck it up and take it to the chin because this is what I choose. For better or for worse the only future i can see for myself is being a software engineer.
Waou, what a great job 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. This needs to be recommanded more by TH-cam's algorithm. Contribution: As an aspiring software engineering, one very important thing to practice if you dont have it already is Discipline.
Didn´t know its that bad in the US. In Germany, getting an IT job is quite easy. In the US, there are too many developers, but in Germany, our demographics are collapsing, and our companies are chronically underdeveloped. There are also many more small and medium-sized companies, and each one wants to have its own internal developers to avoid hiring outside contractors. So you end up not having to compete so hard to get a job.
The entire video paints a grueling perspective, but you never answered if the compensation meets the rigor. So does it meet the rigor? In simple terms is going through the tough time to become a software engineer well paying?
nobody can tell you how much money you will be earning. you might get a high paying job, or you might not. you’re the one that has to decide if it’s worth it or not
@@joeysung311 I understand what you're saying, but in the case of this video he paints software engineering as one of the worst fields to not only get into, but to be in. Usually when something is so kept it has some significance in social mobility. Key word being some.
@@hyquiemistheg.o.a.t1671i don’t think he paints a bad picture, to me it is the most realistic and comprehensive overview of software engineering as a career on youtube. There are good and bad paying jobs, but take in mind that the highest paying are also usually the most competitive and mentally taxing, you pay a price for the high salary. Only you can decide if it’s worth it. Me personally i’m taking a step back from the field to gain better quality of life for the time being, as I’m burnout from the corporate culture and don’t want to lose my love for programming. Overall it’s still probably one of the best career options if you’re nerdy and enjoy the mental challenge and the constant learning. Good luck!
@@boar6615 that is sort of discrediting the entire crux of the video itself. Unless the ideal perspective to be painted is pessimistic on purpose. A person saying software engineering is awful and continuing to be a software engineer with obvious unexplained benefits is just playing along in a skeptical view of fear mongering that’s being spread out. If not that then this is no less of a move to erase competition. The funny thing is on a blank slate in comparison to all the other engineering fields software engineering does not even seem to be on an equal level with them. It would be wise to list some pros instead of outright pessimism, unless the pessimism has some inherent agenda.
Hi, there! :) I'm Ilya, I'm 27, living in Russia. I've been working in completely different field, and am now thinking of starting to learn Python. I have actually been trying to study it for one week now, but I have serious worries. I'm not sure if I should actually start (or should I say continue) learning given the high competition in this field and the AI concern. I feel like I've wasted my twenties, working the job I dislike instead of starting to learn programming at a much younger age. At the same time, I feel that I've found what I really love and want to do, but why have I done so now, not sooner... :( What do you think? Is today as good of a time to start as, say, 5 years ago?
just my unqualified opinion as someone currently studying computer science, but i think its only worth pursuing if its something you genuinely enjoy and are passionate about, and are willing to go to uni for it - now that the tech bubble is popping, i dont believe the self taught route will continue to be in any way reliable (although i'm unsure of the state of the industry in Russia, so this might not apply to you even if i'm correct). in my opinion, you should start programming for the fun of it and only consider pursuing a software engineering career if you find that you love it; you have nothing to lose by trying, and you might end up finding that reality doesn't align with your idealised view of the practice anyway - a week is too short a time to make a commitment, this is an incredibly deep field and so far you've only glanced the surface.
I suggest you study the free online resource "Automating the boring stuff with Python", assuming you dedicate 10-12 hours of study per week , you can finish it in 3 months. Then you will have a better idea of if you want to do something on software development. If you are not so sure after you finish that book, then continue with learning some basic javascript (try the book "Javascript from beginner to Professional" from 2021).
Лучше попробовать, чем бездействовать. Если планируешь остаться в России, то посмотри 1С, если планируешь переезжать - изучай другие ЯП и смотри их применение в бизнесе, лучше попробовать, а если не получится, то попробовать снова, пока не достигнешь цели
Do not use latex, you need the data in your resume to be parsed, industry knowledge always encourages docx for automated parsers and PDF when providing it to recruiters directly
Another falsehoods, most companies won't look at portfolio, they can be a plus sometimes for smaller companies but never have I looked at someone's portfolio and be like "that person is hirable". Only initially it might give a bit of credence, but as you pass your first job it's worth nothing
Great video! Have you looked over the Odin Project curriculum by chance? I'm about halfway through the NodeJS segment, and not sure how close I am to being a viable applicant (assuming i get a few unique fullstack projects behind me). Any input is appreciated!
damn Is web-development also this messed up? I'm doing online courses and i got recommended to build a couple sites for for free for actual clients to have some portfolio and resume material.. aand then start applying for jobs.Is that even viable or am i just being duped by a youtuber?? :S
I felt similarly due to the joy of seeing projects deployed and live, and having fun while working on skills. It is a tremendous battle to keep the faith and work through. But after seeing similar with the US teacher workforce, artists , and deciding to take this route it seems to be more towards F*** it. If you're going to be dedicating this much you have to love it and be willing to sift through the crap. The "What kind of Sh** sandwhich are you willing to eat"? It's all inter-connected.
Privilege plays into it as well, or rather the absence of obstacles. What I found helps is contributing a few hours a week to volunteer coding projects, and starting with tools/software you use and or like. It at least gets your foot in if you can't shell out thousands of dollars for uni, or are driven by projects that contribute to community projects.
I gave up on modern languages from all this hiring and testing crap. I just learned COBOL and got hired by a bank to maintain legacy APIs. I never turned back
Can't tell if this is satire
there is still a lot of legacy sw/hw out there, so this is an interesting idea
@@bigdog4166Not satire, but a good bridge through a hiring downturn. It's a paycheck.
IDK if that's true but that's a really great idea. There's countless JavaScript developers on the market, we should start studying the things that usually the people dont want to study and getting their jobs.
@stackwise_tv Ngl, I wouldn't reccomend learning COBOL since most of the instructure is being migrated to C, C++ or some memory safe language. I was lucky to get hired because a lot of old maintainers were retiring.
As a software engineer and seeing this video makes me realize all the business people are truly less miserable and can maintain the 9-5 cause they don’t actually have to try while making more money.
Thanks ✊...
A lot of "big" software TH-camrs have been milking the "AI is coming for your job" anxiety wave while making more money off their subscribers' paranoia and fear. When they do that, it shows to great length how much they settled on grifting for TH-cam money and more importantly how little they know of machine learning. Of course I've made sure TH-cam never recommends their worthless channels to me again [after unsubscribing if I was ever unfortunate enough to be subscribed to content from such brains]
Instantly subscribed!
Thanks again ✊
This is the best and most honest video I've seen about CS
More honest: H1-B visa is replacing American software engineering jobs.
I stumbled upon this video out of curiosity and I'm so glad I did. It's now one of my favorites. It's a real gem
I stumbled upon this video and it's a real gem. I wish I'd seen it before I graduated and started my career in IT - anyone can learn to code, but being a programmer can be a tough job mentally. I'm not in it for the money, I just want a job that lets me spend quality time with my family.
aight... this pep talk goes straight to the hard drive for when I'm feeling weak again. Thanks for that ^.^
One interesting aspect I'd might like to add is the community surrounding everything computing related - not only free and open source stuff, but also real life events, meetups and things like that. At least in Germany there is a really healthy ecosystem of enthusiasts surrounding the Chaos Compute Club. While only scratching the surface and going to one or two local meetups, I already got to know some really cool people. And there you find all kinds of computer nerds. Hobbyists with a completely unrelated day job, who operate a home lab, highly skilled code auditors, engineers and whatnot and everyone in between.
So in other words it takes like 10 years of study before most qualify.
yes but no, its just a cycle, besides, assuming you live till 80, you really think you don't have time? pick your sacrifice. time passes anyway.
Sounds about every other job😅
@@realGhostVirus Honestly the narrative that I’ve heard for years is that it’s a slightly challenging 6-9 month process before you qualify to find work in the field.
I’ve been a software engineer since 2008 and agree with everything you said.
This video has certainly given me allot to think about. But at the end of the day there really isn't any other profession I have an interest in besides a few. All of those require degrees too. So despite everything you said i'll remain dedicated to getting a job in tech as a software engineer. It's something I've been perusing since high school, ever since i realized that I'm not awful at programming. I'm 24 with just a few classes left to finish my degree. I've started work on my portfolio and I'm hoping to land a job in 2025 even if just as an unpaid internship to start building industry experience. I can't actually tell if I'm all that passionate about software engineering, but i am not dispassionate either. This is a choice I made and one i want to stick to. I live in a vastly different country and allot of these negative perspectives on the job might not even apply to me. In the worst case even if they do I'll suck it up and take it to the chin because this is what I choose. For better or for worse the only future i can see for myself is being a software engineer.
You give me hope , best of luck
Waou, what a great job 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. This needs to be recommanded more by TH-cam's algorithm.
Contribution: As an aspiring software engineering, one very important thing to practice if you dont have it already is Discipline.
10:23 did not expect a maddy mccan joke jayysus xD, great advice and delivery!!
I'm a few years from retirement and hope to get back in. University class of 1986.
Didn´t know its that bad in the US.
In Germany, getting an IT job is quite easy. In the US, there are too many developers, but in Germany, our demographics are collapsing, and our companies are chronically underdeveloped. There are also many more small and medium-sized companies, and each one wants to have its own internal developers to avoid hiring outside contractors.
So you end up not having to compete so hard to get a job.
Junior devs are cooked
This job is literally hell on earth
This just sky rocketed my anxiety, thanks i guess..
and then god came down to earth and said....
The entire video paints a grueling perspective, but you never answered if the compensation meets the rigor. So does it meet the rigor? In simple terms is going through the tough time to become a software engineer well paying?
nobody can tell you how much money you will be earning. you might get a high paying job, or you might not. you’re the one that has to decide if it’s worth it or not
@@joeysung311 I understand what you're saying, but in the case of this video he paints software engineering as one of the worst fields to not only get into, but to be in. Usually when something is so kept it has some significance in social mobility. Key word being some.
@@hyquiemistheg.o.a.t1671i don’t think he paints a bad picture, to me it is the most realistic and comprehensive overview of software engineering as a career on youtube. There are good and bad paying jobs, but take in mind that the highest paying are also usually the most competitive and mentally taxing, you pay a price for the high salary. Only you can decide if it’s worth it. Me personally i’m taking a step back from the field to gain better quality of life for the time being, as I’m burnout from the corporate culture and don’t want to lose my love for programming. Overall it’s still probably one of the best career options if you’re nerdy and enjoy the mental challenge and the constant learning. Good luck!
The video mentioned raises through lateral movement between companies and to temper expectations with pay
What else do you need to hear, it does not.
@@boar6615 that is sort of discrediting the entire crux of the video itself. Unless the ideal perspective to be painted is pessimistic on purpose. A person saying software engineering is awful and continuing to be a software engineer with obvious unexplained benefits is just playing along in a skeptical view of fear mongering that’s being spread out. If not that then this is no less of a move to erase competition. The funny thing is on a blank slate in comparison to all the other engineering fields software engineering does not even seem to be on an equal level with them. It would be wise to list some pros instead of outright pessimism, unless the pessimism has some inherent agenda.
Hi, there! :) I'm Ilya, I'm 27, living in Russia. I've been working in completely different field, and am now thinking of starting to learn Python. I have actually been trying to study it for one week now, but I have serious worries. I'm not sure if I should actually start (or should I say continue) learning given the high competition in this field and the AI concern. I feel like I've wasted my twenties, working the job I dislike instead of starting to learn programming at a much younger age. At the same time, I feel that I've found what I really love and want to do, but why have I done so now, not sooner... :(
What do you think? Is today as good of a time to start as, say, 5 years ago?
just my unqualified opinion as someone currently studying computer science, but i think its only worth pursuing if its something you genuinely enjoy and are passionate about, and are willing to go to uni for it - now that the tech bubble is popping, i dont believe the self taught route will continue to be in any way reliable (although i'm unsure of the state of the industry in Russia, so this might not apply to you even if i'm correct).
in my opinion, you should start programming for the fun of it and only consider pursuing a software engineering career if you find that you love it; you have nothing to lose by trying, and you might end up finding that reality doesn't align with your idealised view of the practice anyway - a week is too short a time to make a commitment, this is an incredibly deep field and so far you've only glanced the surface.
I suggest you study the free online resource "Automating the boring stuff with Python", assuming you dedicate 10-12 hours of study per week , you can finish it in 3 months. Then you will have a better idea of if you want to do something on software development. If you are not so sure after you finish that book, then continue with learning some basic javascript (try the book "Javascript from beginner to Professional" from 2021).
Лучше попробовать, чем бездействовать. Если планируешь остаться в России, то посмотри 1С, если планируешь переезжать - изучай другие ЯП и смотри их применение в бизнесе, лучше попробовать, а если не получится, то попробовать снова, пока не достигнешь цели
Great video!
accurate takes
Do not use latex, you need the data in your resume to be parsed, industry knowledge always encourages docx for automated parsers and PDF when providing it to recruiters directly
Another falsehoods, most companies won't look at portfolio, they can be a plus sometimes for smaller companies but never have I looked at someone's portfolio and be like "that person is hirable". Only initially it might give a bit of credence, but as you pass your first job it's worth nothing
Great video! Have you looked over the Odin Project curriculum by chance? I'm about halfway through the NodeJS segment, and not sure how close I am to being a viable applicant (assuming i get a few unique fullstack projects behind me). Any input is appreciated!
If you fear change, your in the wrong field. Just saying :-)
why u looking like big boss
damn Is web-development also this messed up? I'm doing online courses and i got recommended to build a couple sites for for free for actual clients to have some portfolio and resume material.. aand then start applying for jobs.Is that even viable or am i just being duped by a youtuber?? :S
Just start your own buiness at this point. Dont look for a job its a waste of time.
Forgive me if this is an L statement, but bro looks like an irl Eye-Patch Morty
good video
i am a college dropout but had the luck to be in a internship in the present.
500 subcriber dang i love youtube subribed
scary
Bleak take I don’t agree
Yet you couldnt be bothered to explain why, so your opinion doesnt matter
I felt similarly due to the joy of seeing projects deployed and live, and having fun while working on skills. It is a tremendous battle to keep the faith and work through. But after seeing similar with the US teacher workforce, artists , and deciding to take this route it seems to be more towards F*** it. If you're going to be dedicating this much you have to love it and be willing to sift through the crap.
The "What kind of Sh** sandwhich are you willing to eat"? It's all inter-connected.
Privilege plays into it as well, or rather the absence of obstacles. What I found helps is contributing a few hours a week to volunteer coding projects, and starting with tools/software you use and or like. It at least gets your foot in if you can't shell out thousands of dollars for uni, or are driven by projects that contribute to community projects.