Just to add something productive, Mount Olympus has been a national park in Greece since 1938 (the nation's first), and is actually said to be quite the nature hike, as well, with a lot of biodiversity on the mountain to this day.
Also, Olympus mountain, although not technically difficult, requires a very good physical condition for someone to climb, as the elevation gain from the beginning of the hike, all the way up to the top is around 1750 m. So i wouldn't recommend it to families with little kids for sure or untrained people, with low physhical condition. I 've seen a lot of them taking their way back after realizing that the hike is difficult and demanding. The climbing to the top can also be tricky and dangerous depending on the weather conditions.
I always found it odd that people act like Mt. Olympus not having gods on top of it in a literal sense to be some gotcha. We call Churches "the house of god" all the time yet no one thinks that if you walk into St. John's down the street that God is going to be literally sitting there in the pew waiting for you.
The Holy Eucharist and the Doctrine of the Real Presence do state that the Blessed Sacrament is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. And we do worship and adore the Lord in the Eucharist.
@@thewhitewolf58 The Church promotes people to have families and with due wisdom and foresight to have children in the stability of marriage. Catholics have notoriously large families.
Given the role of Agon in the Greek cultural values, I agree that it’s impossible to imagine they didn’t somewhat frequently produce people who climbed the mountain. The hubris & worthiness beliefs are also more than enough to account for this. Hubris is believing you *deserve* to be allowed to enter Olympus itself, which is not at all the same as wanting to climb Mt. Olympus. Similarly, if you get up there and aren’t allowed to use the portal to Olympus, well, you aren’t a god, so it makes sense
Our modern view of Hellenic civilization is distorded and autistic , mount Olympus is higher heaven were Gods recide and Helisium Fields is lower heaven were noble souls go. Christianitty didnt invent this things but found them ready but described them literally and presented as nonescense to later people
Hi there, a nice general introduction here. Perhaps a little misleading to say that Olympia in the Peloponnese is completely unrelated to Mt. Olympus, as Olympia might be in a different place but was a most significant early pilgrimage sight for Olympic Zeus, the homeland of Heracles and the place where Heracles startes the olympic games in honour of Zeus. This site is also in close proximity to Mt. Lykaion in Arcadia, where it was said that Zeus was born and there is archeological evidence of a zeus cult there, at least since the Mycenean era. Besides, there are other mt. Olympuses in Greece, Cyprus and Turkey. The tallest one being the one on the border between Thessaly & Macedonia, of course. In addition, Zeus is associated with Mt Zas on Naxos island as well as Diκtaio Andro on the mountains of Crete. In Greek mythology, both of these sites are where Zeus was secretly nurtured and spent his childhood, hiding from his father Kronos. So loads of Zeus cults on mountains, the oldest one perhaps on mt. Lykaion. Best regards.
@@elenidrogaris6645 one of the highlights of my life is climbing/hiking Mt. Zas on Naxos! (It was a little disheartening to read the graffiti on the small plinth there, though.) Did you know there is a cave system running through it? Yes, there is a small shrine temple inside. I highly recommend any visit to this wonderful island. It is fascinating in so many ways.
Lyrics from 'Africa' - "Sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti" Kilimanjaro dwarfs Olympus by almost 3,000 meters. Mts Fuji and Cook are taller by almost 800.
I STRONGLY disagree with your statement that religion is never meant to be literal. While you are correct that “spiritual experiences” rather than literal visions of the Gods are how most people experience religion, your statement is too broad. There are plenty of aspects of religion, both then and now, that were and are literal. To say that the Greeks did not believe that there was a literal war among the gods is simply not true. As well, miracles, natural disasters, and astrological events were and are taken as literal evidence of the gods. They are not merely symbolic, most of all among ancient peoples. I do NOT say this to demean them at all. Simply that I disagree with this characterization and I think your own religious experiences may be coloring your view of the past.
It's a typical example of mirror thinking. It's unfortunately all too natural to fall into this trap, and it all too often contributes to catastrophic events like wars.
A lot of People still link disaster to god wrath to this day. And thinking humans only went back to adam which is a giant. What are the chances ancient people take it literally
Awesome video! It might be fun to do a full podcast on the subject, and really go into depth about all the topics discussed. The connection physical and religious locations seems like a massive discussion point on its own
Before watching the video: In my understanding, when the gods are said to "dwell" in an abode that's reachable decently easy by their worshipers, the physical places are seen as more of a "portal" to the actual supernatural, divine dwelling. A portal that regular people can't normally enter - unless the gods allow them. But it still a place where you can get closer to said gods. Note that this doesn't apply just to actual gods, but to supernatural entities in general: spirits, faeries etc. I find this to be a common theme all around the world. Of course, there can always be exceptions. Now let's see if any of this will be in the video! Edit: Damn, you guys even used the word "portal". Now I look like someone who watched the video and after that wrote the comment. Eh, I'm keeping it for the algorithm.
Very good subject, and one which I came across very early in my life. I remember when we were being taught in middle school history about ancient Greece and its mythology, that I actually asked the teacher whether Greeks would climb to the top of Olympus to meet the gods, since they knew they were there. She was really stumped by the question and didn't have an answer. :)
The metaphors are actually very VERY *VERY* literal. Please consider Flatland by Abbott Abbott, the planes of existence include both physical “reality” you can record with a videocamera and abstract reality. The summit of Mt. Olympus is closer to Zeus’ palace in the same sense as being closer to the Goodyear Blimp by being in its shadow at noon even though you can never walk to it. The distinction between observable reality as our physical eyes and instruments see and abstract reality may seem discrete like pages in a book, but a worm-like entity can be in several pages at once if it’s intersecting their planes. If the entity inhabits the middle of all pages except the last one, being in the middle of the last page is as close as you can get to it without it intersecting your page. For all you know, you’d be able to see and make direct contact with it if you were a character on the other 2D face of the page. In reality, the ink on a page has a thickness atop of and soaked into the paper, and can bleed through to the other side if circumstances allow.
The guys who were able to build a temple on a top of a mountain are gods already, so there was no need to climb somewhere because they lived around. They also were big trolls, because they made people to go to climb on the mountain. Great masters of architecture
The Romans fought the last of the Celts in Anatolia at Mount Olympus, located in the region of Galatia, which is in modern-day central Turkey; this battle is often referred to as the "Galatian War". Can we get a follow up to this vid, but talking about this second Mt Olympus? Did these Celts have a different Pantheon?
In the Hellenic world, whichever mountain was the tallest in a region was named “Mt. Olympus.” Lots of mountains have that name around the Mediterranean.
A common misconception in my opinion is that the universe was created in 7 literal 24 hour days. I believe that the word day there was used in how we still today will say "back in my day". A Day can be like an era. 6 creative eras were described. The seventh day is still going on now thousands of years later after its start after Adam and Eves creation.
@@RoninTF2011There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament. What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and a declaration that the things the neighboring nations worshipped as gods were created by God. It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one. Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical. What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth. And if caricatured as a literalistic interpretation of itself, looks even more stupid than the strawman many make of the Biblical worldview.
@RoninTF2011 There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament. What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and that the things on nature are created by God and so ought not be worshipped. It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one. Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical. What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth.
@@RoninTF2011 There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament. What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and that the things on nature are created by God and so ought not be worshipped. It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one.
@@RoninTF2011 Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical. What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth. `
"So saying, the goddess, flashing-eyed Athena, departed to Olympus, where, they say, is the abode of the gods that stands fast forever. Neither is it shaken by winds nor ever wet with rain, nor does snow fall upon it, but the air is outspread clear and cloudless, and over it hovers a radiant whiteness. Therein the blessed gods are glad all their days, and thither went the flashing-eyed one, when she had spoken all her word to the maiden."
I was curious about if Mount Olympus was climbed by the ancient Greeks.. Mount Olympus has multiple peaks, some of which are harder to climb than others. The toughest of them do require some courage though no technical expertise. Coins left as a sacrifice date to as far back as 400 B. C. I believe the oldest coins go back to the seventh century B. C. and I don't know when they started using them in Greece.
Around 19:00 we get into the actual climbing of mount Olympus which includes some photos. Turns out it's not that hard of a climb and you could probably do it in a day
"Mount Olympus is a ninety-eight hundred foot mountain in Thessaly that nobody bothered to climb or they'd have known the gods weren't up there." - P.J. O'Rourke
There is no debate on whether Macedonia was and is Greek or not. Not an academic one at least. So keep it truthful and without unnecessary political filtering.
The most important religious site for the Latins, Monte Cavo, where they held sacrifices to Jupiter, is close to where i live, if i wanted i could take the car and be there in less than 20 minutes, no climbing required, just follow the road and park on the mountain top. If it's a clear day you can even see Rome in the distance. P.S: years ago there was also a restaurant on the mountain top, but now it's closed, and it's just a parking lot.
The historian you brought on seems surprisingly poor at presentation. He repeats the same points unnecessarily many times, such as "people have been climbing the Olympus throughout the ages". A lot of what he presented could've been said in a fraction of the time, like you yourself often successfully do on your channel. His manner of speech also seems condescending at times, as if he was poking fun at uninformed people, made worse by him constantly repeating himself. I otherwise liked the video.
Our modern view of Hellenic civilization is distorded and autistic , mount Olympus is higher heaven were Gods recide and Helisium Fields is lower heaven were noble souls go. Christianitty didnt invent this things but found them ready but described them literally and presented as nonescense to later people
The only one who argues about wether the Macedonians were Greeks or not are the propagandist, fake historians of the so called north Macedonian, Slavic state. So before you make that kind of statement maybe you sould provide some sources, so we know who these people that argues on the ethnicity of Macedonians, are... Or alse you are becoming one of them just by stating it alone...
There is a small group of fringe historians that argue it. Of course, it's a fringe group for a reason, but if he hadn't mentioned it, you'd have people saying "Aaaa some historians say..."
I think there is validity in the idea that the Macedonians weren't _considered_ Greeks by the Greeks until around the time of Phillip II (and it's not a wonder why given their similarity and influences in many cases to their neighbours than to other Greeks). And I'm not from either modern countries, I'm just going by the actual statements and actions of the time. Many of which have been twisted by both of the sides of said argument e.g. despite the myth being persistent Macedonians were in fact not allowed to compete in the olympic games, only the Argeads were because Alexander I Philhellene proved the family's origin from Argos therefore he successfully argued his line is Greek. The first non Argeadic Olympian from Macedon we have record of is Cliton in 328 BC, after Phillip had subjugated all of Greece... But they *spoke a Hellenic language* so by that definition they should be *Greek*. That doesn't mean we should pretend there was no nuance and disagreement at the time, that's what I see everywhere and it's annoying. A lot of nationalists spoiling the actual history for everyone else! But yes on language alone I don't see how they could be not Greek. My 2 cents
@@raulpetrascu2696Zero validity. No argument for its "validity" would stand when you replace Macedon with any other city state. Just quit this nonsense
The information provided is quite superficial and inaccurate. I tried to watch it in its entirety but the distinction between "greeks" and "christians" was the last straw for me
I had to stop watching because from jump he states the Romans also believed Mt Olympus to be of some spiritual or significance when it came to Jupiter etc when that is simply not true.
I think the end remarks were lost on the commentator in introspection. On the one hand he says not to take religion as literal, while taking mountaineering literal. In the rock climbing community a “First Ascent” (FA) is considered the first person to do it with proof and ID. Often times people will talk about a rock climbing route, and many people know about it and will talk about them doing it but the FA section in the literature will be blank because we do not know who to accredit it to, even though we know we may not be the first to have done it. I do not intend for this comment to come off negatively, but if one researches a topic and another unrelated topic intersects with it, please reach out to experts in the unrelated fields to enlighten you on how they use their terms.
"Depending on who you ask it may was or may was not Greek" and you are supposed to be a historical channel unbiased from historical revisionism. Shame on you.
People constantly argue if Macedon was greek or not, this is a fact. Acknowledging that a notoriously divisive topic is in fact divisive is not historical revisionism.
@@agrippa2012 Makedons might have not been Greek till some timepoint, but were Greek at latest after the dark ages (only Greeks were allowed to compete in the Olympics, or partake in the "ethnosyneleusis" = ethic/national-assembly, and so did Makedonians). And Olympus isn´t in Makedonia anyways, but mainly in Thessaly, which was Greek for sure... Mythical Achilles, and others, were from Thessaly...
@@agrippa2012 the only ones who argue are the south Slavs who are pretending they are Macedonians because they don't wanna be either Serbian nor Bulgarian for what ever reason... No one else.
@@klausbrinck2137Makedons where always Greeks of the Dorian tribe. Archaeology has found that to be the case. Everything else is in the sfere of imagination.
Me the whole first 3 minutes: get on with it already. 3 minutes of essentially dead air 4 minutes in and im out these videos take a quality hit from that
He didn't say Macedon wasn't Greek, all he did was mention that this is a divisive topic among a lot of people. He didn't say anything about his own point of view nor did he make any claims favoring one side or the other.
@@twandepan Makedons might have not been Greek till some timepoint, but were Greek at latest after the dark ages (only Greeks were allowed to compete in the Olympics, or partake in the "ethnosyneleusis" = ethic/national-assembly, and so did Makedonians). And Olympus isn´t in Makedonia anyways, but mainly in Thessaly, which was Greek for sure... Mythical Achilles, and others, were from Thessaly...
@@agrippa2012 the only people that's devisive to, are the people of the so called north Macedonian state. Everyone in the world, including archaeologists and historians are well aware that Macedonians were of Greek origins. So why mention it... Because of the propaganda of the fake historians of a nation who doesn't has identity and wishes to steal it from others...
There's nothing here a person can't get from Wikipedia why have a long winded intro about your qualifications to speak on it. I find these videos hard to watch this is gonna be the last one I interact with
The Jews and Christians believe that God lived on Mt. Sinai, or that he was present there, waiting for Moses to make the climb. It makes sense that people would see these mountains that reach into the sky and believe that it was the abode of the Gods, or if not their abode, then possibly their offices...
You Cannot Reach the Heavens, The People at the Tower of Babel tried reaching for the Heavens and didn't spread out over the Earth and thus the languages were confused.
Makes you think why the Abrahamic god was so afraid of a unified humanity and peace and harmony between all people. "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." The Abrahamic god is a coward according to his own book.
Yeah I think you need to reel in how you discuss religion. If you're not religious, that's fine. But do not dictate how other people have experienced their spirituality. It's obvious yall were trying to keep an open mind but that last statement of "Remember religions aren't literal" is incredibly disrespectful of religions that are VERY literal. Otherwise good video. You should do a Life As A Jannasary Video. Not enough people talk about them.
@@acesvaba330NOT really because nobody cares about your personal speculations feelings fantasy and beliefs. So the fact remains that Alexander the Great and the Macedonia kingdom are Hellenic.
@@acesvaba330 just love how you have nothing to defend or support your claim. Just your personal imagination. Keep dreaming you know what they say it's nice to dream. Remember nobody cares about your personal feelings and beliefs.
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"I think Polemus was planning on trying to climb Mount Olympus to bang Aphrodite."
"What makes you say that?"
"He got struck by lightning last night."
Zeus: "You've been...
THUNDERSTRUCK"
Just to add something productive, Mount Olympus has been a national park in Greece since 1938 (the nation's first), and is actually said to be quite the nature hike, as well, with a lot of biodiversity on the mountain to this day.
Yes, Olympus is also the first mountain to emerge from the sea in the world.
Another item to the bucket list.
Climb Mt Olympus.
It's not that hard anymore, everyone goes up there.
Also, Olympus mountain, although not technically difficult, requires a very good physical condition for someone to climb, as the elevation gain from the beginning of the hike, all the way up to the top is around 1750 m. So i wouldn't recommend it to families with little kids for sure or untrained people, with low physhical condition. I 've seen a lot of them taking their way back after realizing that the hike is difficult and demanding. The climbing to the top can also be tricky and dangerous depending on the weather conditions.
I always found it odd that people act like Mt. Olympus not having gods on top of it in a literal sense to be some gotcha. We call Churches "the house of god" all the time yet no one thinks that if you walk into St. John's down the street that God is going to be literally sitting there in the pew waiting for you.
The Holy Eucharist and the Doctrine of the Real Presence do state that the Blessed Sacrament is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. And we do worship and adore the Lord in the Eucharist.
God would be at the altar up front, not in the pews...lol.
@@VancouverInvestor I know XD. It is not exactly the same, but it meets the relevant general principle for the argument.
The church was more about population control.
@@thewhitewolf58 The Church promotes people to have families and with due wisdom and foresight to have children in the stability of marriage. Catholics have notoriously large families.
Given the role of Agon in the Greek cultural values, I agree that it’s impossible to imagine they didn’t somewhat frequently produce people who climbed the mountain.
The hubris & worthiness beliefs are also more than enough to account for this. Hubris is believing you *deserve* to be allowed to enter Olympus itself, which is not at all the same as wanting to climb Mt. Olympus.
Similarly, if you get up there and aren’t allowed to use the portal to Olympus, well, you aren’t a god, so it makes sense
Our modern view of Hellenic civilization is distorded and autistic , mount Olympus is higher heaven were Gods recide and Helisium Fields is lower heaven were noble souls go. Christianitty didnt invent this things but found them ready but described them literally and presented as nonescense to later people
Hi there, a nice general introduction here. Perhaps a little misleading to say that Olympia in the Peloponnese is completely unrelated to Mt. Olympus, as Olympia might be in a different place but was a most significant early pilgrimage sight for Olympic Zeus, the homeland of Heracles and the place where Heracles startes the olympic games in honour of Zeus. This site is also in close proximity to Mt. Lykaion in Arcadia, where it was said that Zeus was born and there is archeological evidence of a zeus cult there, at least since the Mycenean era. Besides, there are other mt. Olympuses in Greece, Cyprus and Turkey. The tallest one being the one on the border between Thessaly & Macedonia, of course. In addition, Zeus is associated with Mt Zas on Naxos island as well as Diκtaio Andro on the mountains of Crete. In Greek mythology, both of these sites are where Zeus was secretly nurtured and spent his childhood, hiding from his father Kronos. So loads of Zeus cults on mountains, the oldest one perhaps on mt. Lykaion. Best regards.
@@elenidrogaris6645 one of the highlights of my life is climbing/hiking Mt. Zas on Naxos! (It was a little disheartening to read the graffiti on the small plinth there, though.)
Did you know there is a cave system running through it? Yes, there is a small shrine temple inside.
I highly recommend any visit to this wonderful island. It is fascinating in so many ways.
Only one way to find out! When are we leaving for our expedition!? 😁
Bellerophon was not killed when he was cast down from Mount Olympus, but was blinded.
I've heard he was either blinded, struck by a thunderbolt, and bucked off by pegasus
Lyrics from 'Africa' - "Sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti"
Kilimanjaro dwarfs Olympus by almost 3,000 meters. Mts Fuji and Cook are taller by almost 800.
Maybe you could do a video on Roman religion before their pantheon basically got annexed by the Greek versions?
Edith Hamilton has a short section on that subject in her classic book, "Mythology."
So, Mount Olympus was where the Goa'uld parked their ships. Got it. 12:00
I STRONGLY disagree with your statement that religion is never meant to be literal. While you are correct that “spiritual experiences” rather than literal visions of the Gods are how most people experience religion, your statement is too broad. There are plenty of aspects of religion, both then and now, that were and are literal. To say that the Greeks did not believe that there was a literal war among the gods is simply not true. As well, miracles, natural disasters, and astrological events were and are taken as literal evidence of the gods. They are not merely symbolic, most of all among ancient peoples. I do NOT say this to demean them at all. Simply that I disagree with this characterization and I think your own religious experiences may be coloring your view of the past.
You're simply wrong and uneducated on the matter, then.
Religion and mysticism have _always_ been theatrical fantasy enactment and social teaching.
It's a typical example of mirror thinking. It's unfortunately all too natural to fall into this trap, and it all too often contributes to catastrophic events like wars.
A lot of People still link disaster to god wrath to this day. And thinking humans only went back to adam which is a giant. What are the chances ancient people take it literally
@@Jaasau you can disagree and still be wrong.
I agree. Faith is belief.
Awesome video! It might be fun to do a full podcast on the subject, and really go into depth about all the topics discussed. The connection physical and religious locations seems like a massive discussion point on its own
Before watching the video:
In my understanding, when the gods are said to "dwell" in an abode that's reachable decently easy by their worshipers, the physical places are seen as more of a "portal" to the actual supernatural, divine dwelling.
A portal that regular people can't normally enter - unless the gods allow them.
But it still a place where you can get closer to said gods.
Note that this doesn't apply just to actual gods, but to supernatural entities in general: spirits, faeries etc.
I find this to be a common theme all around the world.
Of course, there can always be exceptions.
Now let's see if any of this will be in the video!
Edit:
Damn, you guys even used the word "portal".
Now I look like someone who watched the video and after that wrote the comment.
Eh, I'm keeping it for the algorithm.
This was awesome, thanks for putting together
Thanks for this I've been wondering this exact thing since the 3rd grade
Bloody fascinating!
Very good subject, and one which I came across very early in my life. I remember when we were being taught in middle school history about ancient Greece and its mythology, that I actually asked the teacher whether Greeks would climb to the top of Olympus to meet the gods, since they knew they were there. She was really stumped by the question and didn't have an answer. :)
Why climb Mt. Olympus? Because it's there.
It didn't turn out so well when Kratos did it.
Zeus! Your son has returned. I bring the destruction of Olympus!
The metaphors are actually very VERY *VERY* literal. Please consider Flatland by Abbott Abbott, the planes of existence include both physical “reality” you can record with a videocamera and abstract reality. The summit of Mt. Olympus is closer to Zeus’ palace in the same sense as being closer to the Goodyear Blimp by being in its shadow at noon even though you can never walk to it. The distinction between observable reality as our physical eyes and instruments see and abstract reality may seem discrete like pages in a book, but a worm-like entity can be in several pages at once if it’s intersecting their planes. If the entity inhabits the middle of all pages except the last one, being in the middle of the last page is as close as you can get to it without it intersecting your page. For all you know, you’d be able to see and make direct contact with it if you were a character on the other 2D face of the page. In reality, the ink on a page has a thickness atop of and soaked into the paper, and can bleed through to the other side if circumstances allow.
This is content
very informative!
14:14 Thank you for pronouncing Heracles name correctly! :D
Also "Gaia" is fucnny, because its actually pronounced "Yeah" - no kidding! xD
The guys who were able to build a temple on a top of a mountain are gods already, so there was no need to climb somewhere because they lived around. They also were big trolls, because they made people to go to climb on the mountain. Great masters of architecture
from a down to earth perspective, gods are people with a nice butt, they may very well have been real
I always wanted to climb High Hrothgar. I mean mount Olympus.
So basically Pagan Olympus worked kinda like the Fushimi Inari complex on Inari mountain today.
Part of the gods's blessedness according to the Epicureans was precisely in not interacting with humans. Makes sense.
Nice video mostly but very stretched. Yuo dont have to repeat arguments constantly
You can watch on 2x speed if that would help.
@@trivialgravitas9581 No shit sherlock. I could also watch shorter video on double speed and it would take even less time
Thank you.
The Romans fought the last of the Celts in Anatolia at Mount Olympus, located in the region of Galatia, which is in modern-day central Turkey; this battle is often referred to as the "Galatian War". Can we get a follow up to this vid, but talking about this second Mt Olympus? Did these Celts have a different Pantheon?
In the Hellenic world, whichever mountain was the tallest in a region was named “Mt. Olympus.” Lots of mountains have that name around the Mediterranean.
A common misconception in my opinion is that the universe was created in 7 literal 24 hour days. I believe that the word day there was used in how we still today will say "back in my day". A Day can be like an era. 6 creative eras were described. The seventh day is still going on now thousands of years later after its start after Adam and Eves creation.
@@JRShores2 ...or its all just mythos
@@RoninTF2011There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament.
What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and a declaration that the things the neighboring nations worshipped as gods were created by God.
It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one.
Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical.
What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth. And if caricatured as a literalistic interpretation of itself, looks even more stupid than the strawman many make of the Biblical worldview.
@RoninTF2011 There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament.
What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and that the things on nature are created by God and so ought not be worshipped. It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one.
Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical.
What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth.
@@RoninTF2011 There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament.
What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and that the things on nature are created by God and so ought not be worshipped. It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one.
@@RoninTF2011 Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical.
What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth. `
Video starts at 2:06
"So saying, the goddess, flashing-eyed Athena, departed to Olympus, where, they say, is the abode of the gods that stands fast forever. Neither is it shaken by winds nor ever wet with rain, nor does snow fall upon it, but the air is outspread clear and cloudless, and over it hovers a radiant whiteness. Therein the blessed gods are glad all their days, and thither went the flashing-eyed one, when she had spoken all her word to the maiden."
I was curious about if Mount Olympus was climbed by the ancient Greeks.. Mount Olympus has multiple peaks, some of which are harder to climb than others. The toughest of them do require some courage though no technical expertise. Coins left as a sacrifice date to as far back as 400 B. C. I believe the oldest coins go back to the seventh century B. C. and I don't know when they started using them in Greece.
So no photos of any actual climbing of Olympus? Oh okay.
Around 19:00 we get into the actual climbing of mount Olympus which includes some photos. Turns out it's not that hard of a climb and you could probably do it in a day
@@InvictaHistory if all it took was a day to speak to the Greek gods up there, what type of gods dwell on Mt. Everest? Must be like thanos.
@@mattrogersftw Yeah, I'm still not convinced Mount Olympus is a real place.
@@alexhatfield4448Nah. Just big. And hairy.
@@alexhatfield4448 the Greeks that settled in India in the Hellenistic period became Buddhists ... Maybe it made an impression
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I literally know a greek guy who has climbed the mountain with a group of friends
"Mount Olympus is a ninety-eight hundred foot mountain in Thessaly that nobody bothered to climb or they'd have known the gods weren't up there."
- P.J. O'Rourke
"ΠΑΝΤΑ ΠΛΗΡΗ ΘΕΩΝ..." (All is full of Divinity) Thales from Militus
At least for first time some one ask questions did human try go olmypus .this one considered one authentic ideas out there .
There is no debate on whether Macedonia was and is Greek or not. Not an academic one at least. So keep it truthful and without unnecessary political filtering.
the video is full of inaccuracies, these people should stop spreading misinformation.
Wonderful, historians should explain this better.
Wasn't the Statue of Zeus, which constituted one of the seven wonders of the world, built in a temple on Mount Olympus?
Statue of Zeus is at Olimpia, that is the city on Peloponese where they had Olympic games.
Not Olympus, at Olympia
Mount Sinai and mount Olympus are the same exact place 🧠
The most important religious site for the Latins, Monte Cavo, where they held sacrifices to Jupiter, is close to where i live, if i wanted i could take the car and be there in less than 20 minutes, no climbing required, just follow the road and park on the mountain top. If it's a clear day you can even see Rome in the distance.
P.S: years ago there was also a restaurant on the mountain top, but now it's closed, and it's just a parking lot.
Metaphorically climbing “the” mountain.
The historian you brought on seems surprisingly poor at presentation. He repeats the same points unnecessarily many times, such as "people have been climbing the Olympus throughout the ages". A lot of what he presented could've been said in a fraction of the time, like you yourself often successfully do on your channel. His manner of speech also seems condescending at times, as if he was poking fun at uninformed people, made worse by him constantly repeating himself. I otherwise liked the video.
The lightning bolt on the pot looks like a Hindu Vajra.
Our modern view of Hellenic civilization is distorded and autistic , mount Olympus is higher heaven were Gods recide and Helisium Fields is lower heaven were noble souls go. Christianitty didnt invent this things but found them ready but described them literally and presented as nonescense to later people
There is also the home of the gods in aetheiopia besides olympus.
You can reach and teach the gods
Kratos: Zeus! Your son has returned!
Kratos: I bring the destruction of OLYMPUS!
Oh do Everest ancient climbers!
The only one who argues about wether the Macedonians were Greeks or not are the propagandist, fake historians of the so called north Macedonian, Slavic state. So before you make that kind of statement maybe you sould provide some sources, so we know who these people that argues on the ethnicity of Macedonians, are... Or alse you are becoming one of them just by stating it alone...
There is a small group of fringe historians that argue it. Of course, it's a fringe group for a reason, but if he hadn't mentioned it, you'd have people saying "Aaaa some historians say..."
I think there is validity in the idea that the Macedonians weren't _considered_ Greeks by the Greeks until around the time of Phillip II (and it's not a wonder why given their similarity and influences in many cases to their neighbours than to other Greeks). And I'm not from either modern countries, I'm just going by the actual statements and actions of the time. Many of which have been twisted by both of the sides of said argument e.g. despite the myth being persistent Macedonians were in fact not allowed to compete in the olympic games, only the Argeads were because Alexander I Philhellene proved the family's origin from Argos therefore he successfully argued his line is Greek. The first non Argeadic Olympian from Macedon we have record of is Cliton in 328 BC, after Phillip had subjugated all of Greece...
But they *spoke a Hellenic language* so by that definition they should be *Greek*. That doesn't mean we should pretend there was no nuance and disagreement at the time, that's what I see everywhere and it's annoying. A lot of nationalists spoiling the actual history for everyone else! But yes on language alone I don't see how they could be not Greek. My 2 cents
Macedon is clearly a Hellenic city-state
@@raulpetrascu2696Zero validity. No argument for its "validity" would stand when you replace Macedon with any other city state. Just quit this nonsense
why don't they just do it
They did
I did. That's why I will live FOREVER! Mwhahahahaha."What is Mt Olympus?'"
A "wine" baggo LOL
The information provided is quite superficial and inaccurate. I tried to watch it in its entirety but the distinction between "greeks" and "christians" was the last straw for me
I had to stop watching because from jump he states the Romans also believed Mt Olympus to be of some spiritual or significance when it came to Jupiter etc when that is simply not true.
Yes. I just gave the 667th like. Sue me.
Dislike for stating that Macedonia might not be Greek. 👎🏻
kratos: nah I’d win
I think the end remarks were lost on the commentator in introspection. On the one hand he says not to take religion as literal, while taking mountaineering literal. In the rock climbing community a “First Ascent” (FA) is considered the first person to do it with proof and ID. Often times people will talk about a rock climbing route, and many people know about it and will talk about them doing it but the FA section in the literature will be blank because we do not know who to accredit it to, even though we know we may not be the first to have done it. I do not intend for this comment to come off negatively, but if one researches a topic and another unrelated topic intersects with it, please reach out to experts in the unrelated fields to enlighten you on how they use their terms.
This is a bizarre channel
"Depending on who you ask it may was or may was not Greek" and you are supposed to be a historical channel unbiased from historical revisionism. Shame on you.
People constantly argue if Macedon was greek or not, this is a fact. Acknowledging that a notoriously divisive topic is in fact divisive is not historical revisionism.
@@agrippa2012 Makedons might have not been Greek till some timepoint, but were Greek at latest after the dark ages (only Greeks were allowed to compete in the Olympics, or partake in the "ethnosyneleusis" = ethic/national-assembly, and so did Makedonians). And Olympus isn´t in Makedonia anyways, but mainly in Thessaly, which was Greek for sure... Mythical Achilles, and others, were from Thessaly...
@@thanasiskoutsioukis5905 Why does it matter? Greece wasn't a nation back then but a collection of inter fighting city states.
@@agrippa2012 the only ones who argue are the south Slavs who are pretending they are Macedonians because they don't wanna be either Serbian nor Bulgarian for what ever reason... No one else.
@@klausbrinck2137Makedons where always Greeks of the Dorian tribe. Archaeology has found that to be the case. Everything else is in the sfere of imagination.
Me the whole first 3 minutes: get on with it already. 3 minutes of essentially dead air 4 minutes in and im out these videos take a quality hit from that
I hate this power point vide9
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He didn't say Macedon wasn't Greek, all he did was mention that this is a divisive topic among a lot of people. He didn't say anything about his own point of view nor did he make any claims favoring one side or the other.
many Greeks didn’t consider the Macedonians as greeks especially before Alexander’s conquests
I’m honestly not sure if you’re joking or actually serious.
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@@twandepan Makedons might have not been Greek till some timepoint, but were Greek at latest after the dark ages (only Greeks were allowed to compete in the Olympics, or partake in the "ethnosyneleusis" = ethic/national-assembly, and so did Makedonians). And Olympus isn´t in Makedonia anyways, but mainly in Thessaly, which was Greek for sure... Mythical Achilles, and others, were from Thessaly...
@@agrippa2012 the only people that's devisive to, are the people of the so called north Macedonian state. Everyone in the world, including archaeologists and historians are well aware that Macedonians were of Greek origins. So why mention it... Because of the propaganda of the fake historians of a nation who doesn't has identity and wishes to steal it from others...
That's what the tower of Babel was about, reaching heaven in one's own efforts achieving righteousness, So No
There's nothing here a person can't get from Wikipedia why have a long winded intro about your qualifications to speak on it. I find these videos hard to watch this is gonna be the last one I interact with
The Jews and Christians believe that God lived on Mt. Sinai, or that he was present there, waiting for Moses to make the climb. It makes sense that people would see these mountains that reach into the sky and believe that it was the abode of the Gods, or if not their abode, then possibly their offices...
God didn’t “live on Mt. Sinai.”
I gotta be the first to climb it... yep arrogance ....
Boy this video is a worse Middleschool powerpoint. I expected far better from this channel.
The hell is the matter with you people, you understand the concept of an interview with an expert don't you?
Care to make one yourself so we can draw a comparison?
Fairy tales are fantasy, so no. The answer is no.
You Cannot Reach the Heavens, The People at the Tower of Babel tried reaching for the Heavens and didn't spread out over the Earth and thus the languages were confused.
Sure, buddy
That doesn’t even make any sense.
Makes you think why the Abrahamic god was so afraid of a unified humanity and peace and harmony between all people. "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." The Abrahamic god is a coward according to his own book.
I love Hebrew mythology too.
Yeah I think you need to reel in how you discuss religion. If you're not religious, that's fine. But do not dictate how other people have experienced their spirituality. It's obvious yall were trying to keep an open mind but that last statement of "Remember religions aren't literal" is incredibly disrespectful of religions that are VERY literal. Otherwise good video. You should do a Life As A Jannasary Video. Not enough people talk about them.
...and these people are usually PITA for everyone around them.
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The greeks hurting over Macedonia is hilarious, they can't help themselves. Keep going, I am having fun
Well lucky for everyone Macedonia is Hellenic.
@@TheTruth-k3g lucky for me, you keep going buddy. How is that but? hurt too much?
@@acesvaba330NOT really because nobody cares about your personal speculations feelings fantasy and beliefs.
So the fact remains that Alexander the Great and the Macedonia kingdom are Hellenic.
@TheTruth-k3g keep going buddy, let it out
@@acesvaba330 just love how you have nothing to defend or support your claim. Just your personal imagination.
Keep dreaming you know what they say it's nice to dream.
Remember nobody cares about your personal feelings and beliefs.
America
Jesus is God.
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Let the other guy do voice over