Which should I buy? Car Under $2500 Edition! See what the CAR WIZARD looks for & looks out for
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- The CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ finds three cars under $2,500 with the indestructable Buick 3800 engine online. Which would be the one to purchase? Let him show you what to look for and what to look out for.
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Imagine being the guy who posted that Pontiac listing and watching the Car Wizard roast your ass 😂😂
The only Pontiac I'd buy (again) is a vibe. Toyota did all the important bits, it can fit 2x4x8's with all doors and windows closed, decent ground clearance for dirt roads and forest trails, awd available, can fix most things cheap in the driveway.
@@williamparker7823 Even though it's a Toyota matrix, most of them I see (at least around me, I know this is anecdotal) are pretty beat up. That doesn't mean they're like that everywhere, though, and I wouldn't mind buying one if I saw one up for sale in good shape and for a decent price
@@darthdarthbinkss Are you saying a 3.8 will fit in a Toyota matrix?
What's sad is the Pontiac is my favorite body style out of these 🤣🤣🤣
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If GM had any sense they would start remaking these engines and putting them in their new vehicles !
I too wish GM still made the 3800. Problem it would be illegal due to current CAFE and emission standards.
If they made this engine again then their service department is gonna be sad for not having enough broken cars to fix (and not enough $$ gained from that as such). They knew in the end the engine was too good.
If by sense you mean making vehicles that don’t break in 3 years then you’re right💪
@@mhassouneh Not for a price they can make money on.
@@ernestcassell3227 Not sure how, since it's a sulev engine. I'm sure with today's tech it could meet whatever. I think it was just an engine that wasn't flashy enough. 3.6 is all aluminum and "high feature".
I guess I'm getting old because that le sabre looks good to me.
It looks better than a Prius. It does have a nice stout look.
Getting old with you. Sucker looks comfortable as well.
@@tdogboy7254 Lol. My Chrysler 300 got totaled parked in front of my house. I'm waiting on Disability from a crippling work accident so money is tight. I happened to drive by an intersection and saw a 4 sale sign on a 2002 LeSabre limited garage kept with 56,000 miles on it for less than the insurance money for my Crysler 300. I'm now prematurely driving a church lady car. I've been driving it for 2 weeks now and have yet to hit the passing gear! Lol.
P.S. I do make sure my turn signal is off !!
@@johnmcaleese8459 Nice. They're powerful as well right?
@@MrBluntNose it has 205 hp so it isn't slow but it isn't very fast either. I have a 2005 impala with the same motor and trans and it goes pretty good.
Another good rule of thumb: If the seller says "You drive it, you buy it." don't even look at it, because it means that there's a major problem that only presents during driving. They want you to buy in without a test drive so you can't figure out something's wrong until it's too late.
I drove a ford 500 today, rack was goin + other crap
-dude turned all asshat wen i passed. He got mad his pigeon flew away. Prayin this lesabre is avail ill buy it immediately.
No $HIT, great advice.
Thankfully that's so rare. I've never come across someone who is unwilling to let someone test drive their car. It's just too "common sense" that denying that request would arouse suspicion that that request is almost never denied. Granted I've only bought like 5 cars but that's still more than most people my age.
Never heard of that .. if I did I'd say " get fuhked "
I have never ever heard anyone say that to me when buying a vehicle I think they know, that no moron would ever do that and if they did they deserve to be taken like the fool they are. That's automatic walk away with my middle finger pointed up right in the front of their face about a centimeter from their eye
9:13 “When they don’t show much, that means they’re trying not to show much, they’re hiding something” .... sounds like online dating !!!
Exactly what I thought too lol
Or they're hiding a LOT lol
Nine photos, all face shots.
Hiding the “spare tire” I suppose
Yep fishing for catfish
I just picked up a mint 1995 Olds 88 with the 3800 V6 for $1000. 80k miles. The last owner bought it new, and it never spent a night out of the garage. What sold me was the engine. I remembered Hoovie and the Wizard both raving about it, so I picked it up. Couldn't be happier with it.
Awesome find!
Hile648 those are great cars. Sometimes I think no one wants them because they are “a granny car” I could care less if it gets me around. And with that kind of mileage! What a steal!
@@instasingingvids3529Thanks! It is the definitely the epitome of "a granny car", but that's what I love about it. I even made up some "old person in the nineties" tapes to listen to in it. This thing is going to be my daily driver, but it'll be babied the whole time.
My uncle had a Buick Century with the 3800 V6. He was a very rough driver and it lasted for a long time and was giving him over 32 mpg.
That is a good find, happy driving 👍
Those 3.8s are like Timex watches, they just keep on running. I love the LeSabre and Park Ave.
Heck I had a water pump go bad and blew the motor. Threw in gasket sealer per directions, saved it.
I prefer Casio watches and Japanese cars with 4-bangers. Those 3.8s and Timex are both good, just "not my cup of tea", as the expression goes.
My monte had 3.8 but the trans went out 80k
This has to vibe of a "community access TV show". And I mean that in an entirely positive way. Your content feels "real", "homey", "comfortable", "honest". I feel like the Car Wizard is my next door neighbor, and not a work famous celebrity.
Agree
That GM 3800 V6 was indestructible even without proper maintenance they'll still last 300k miles or more. GM should've never got rid of the 3800 v6
.. credit the loss of the GM 3800 V6 to marketing and financial stupidity by worthless, overpaid 'executives' ..
@@oldcat3439 It worked which is why they had to get rid of it. Do you see the thing about GM is as soon as they figure out something and get it working then they have to get rid of it. We can’t have people not bringing cars back in for service or we won’t make any money
No kidding on indestructible. I did my upper intake, and still loses coolant. Confirmed not a head gasket, but also no drips. Something is making it get 13mpg (compared to the 20mpg when I first bought it), but the thing still runs flawlessly. 250k original engine and transmission.
proves gm knows how to build a car but won't because they don't take care of their customers
@@Dude13450 hook up a code reader to it. OBD-2. Or it could be low engine temp (thermostat)
The GM 3800, historically speaking it’s a beast.
You nailed it Wizard, cheaper than a Toyota and extremely easy to repair.
Nice job....
Toyotas are great, but sometimes I just get shocked at how much a used one goes for. It seems like you might as well buy them new.
Jose Diaz
I agree...
I just purchased a 2006 buick lacrosse. Paid more than I should of for a 14 year old car. But with 97k reading and the 3800 v6 and all the bells and whistles working along with all I've read about and heard about this motor I can safely say I am very please and happy about it. Even though it make me feel like an old man when driving it around. Lol
Jody Sales
How much?
@@mikeoneill7360 $4200
Best vehicle to buy according to Car Wizard: A car driven by a senior citizen.
Well for a beater, grandpa cars are actually good deals. If you want something cool and reliable, you'll average at least 6K+.
But a 2000 Buick Park Avenue Ultra can blow the doors off half of those sports cars if you put even a couple more grand into it, and you'll be doing it in absolute comfort lol
I have a 99 Buick Regal 3.8 supercharged with mod exhaust and cold air intake. Also has traction control and performance shifting transmission. Paid $1,100 for it and it cuts about 12.8 quarter mile runs
My 98 LS400 was senior owned, single owner. 108k miles after 18 years when I bought it. $4800. The 90k service was done by he Lexus dealer right before I bought it. Can’t do much better than that for under 5k.
Got a 2001 Oldsmobile Alero in 2007 for about $2k. I don't remember mileage...not too too high. 70k maybe? Granted, I bought it from a family member. It had the GM quad four engine. Sold it to get a new Hyundai. I'm still kicking myself for selling that thing because I know I could have gotten more mileage out of it.
Yes, 100%. Retirees tend to put only a few thousand miles a year on their cars, they tend to maintain them well, and they drive very conservatively. I had one of these cars with the 3800 and when I finally sold it at nearly 240k miles, it still ran like a Swiss watch, didn’t burn a drop of oil between oil changes, and the A/C was still ice cold.
My second car was a 2001 Grand Prix. It eventually needed intake gaskets, coolant elbows, and a MAF sensor. But I had it for 12 years and 180k miles, not having a car payment was nice because I could buy other stuff, like a house.
I got a 3800 Buick engine to 400,000 miles, 1988 Buick Electra T-Type. Loved that Car
I loved working on the 3800, 30 min's to replace the alternator
My 93 regal is at 414k right now. Fantastic engines.
Alternator is a breeze to replace on those engines... power steering pump, not so much.
@Deez Nuts just reminded me i havent checked mine in a while. That is certainly a downfall. Would have to jerry rig something if i were adding it often.
2000 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS with 270,000 miles on it with the 3800 engine non-supercharged.
Grandma knew best.
I'm pushing nearly 400,000 miles on my buick Lasabre and I love my car.
My buddy has 360,000 on his 1998 one. He said every 150,000 miles or so the intake manifold corrodes and fails, but he buys a brand new one for $200 and replaces it himself. He loves that car.
Thank God for honest mechanics like the Wizard. 👍🏾
That Buick looks like a nice car. The only problem with them is the turn signals quickly wear out from driving for miles with them going. ;-)
At least they use them unlike other things cough* bmw
Lol!
Interestingly, Buicks have reminders for that reason 🤣. If you go more than half a mile with the signal on, it dings at you and the dashboard tells you to check the signals. Love my 2003 Lesabre road sofa
@@logume1881 I have a 2000 Lesabre 52k on it.... oh yeah!
Nick Bublitz My dad had a 2005 Yukon that did that. I thought that was pretty clever. I wonder if GM even bothers with that feature anymore?
I freaking love Buicks..I always recommend these when buying a used car..I driove mine another 100k miles and sold it then repurchased it when the guy wanted to sell it..
I agree,My Buick a beast,I have little more maintenance more.
Lol good work
Another point besides reliability, is the ride quality. I have a 2004 LeSabre Custom and I absolutely love how it glides down the road. It rides just as cushy as my former 1994 Jaguar XJ6. The plus side, my LeSabre is 1/10th the price in parts when I work on it compared to my old Jag. I had to get rid of the Jag because I was fixing it constantly. My LeSabre never complains with just simple maintenance.
I would also consider a Ford Crown Victoria or a Mercury Grand Marquis as well. The Ford Panther platform tends to be solid.
My 96 p71 has 222k on it ive fixed just about everything but shes been real good to me i got it at 161 2 years ago
Tranny, rear axle and bearings, water pump thermo and rad, battery, lights, 2 sets of wheels 3 sets of tires 2 sets of brakes 1 round of rotors, front end rebuild with diy alignment, majority of the filters, 3 sets of plugs the ignition packs all the wires and caps, maf and sensors, tons of little stuff, previous guy did the injectors and metal intake upgrade. Like i said ive put over 80k on it in 2 years. And ive crashed it hence the wheels.
Too bad every dickhead on youtube caused prices to skyrocket.
@@namemcnamerton4249 covid too, i got mine for 600 bucks
@@kylez2141 got mine 6000
Buick built some solid cars back in the 90s
Dennis W up till about 2005 3800 engine wasn’t bad but 3400 is trash
They fell off when they got rid rid of the Lesabres and Park Avenues. I have a Lucerne and it's not half as reliable as the Lesabres were. It's engine is really good because it also has a 3.8 but all the other stuff seems to fall apart.
@@instasingingvids3529 It is, because they have so many blown head gaskets, most likely the Pontiac Grand Am GT and some of the older GM minivans.
These Buicks have a good reputation all the way to China. Many of them in China.
@@savagewaifu4694 agreed, I traded in my 1997 LeSabre for a 2008 Lucerne and it definitely feels like a downgrade. The LeSabre was almost 20 years old but I may have actually spent more fixing the Lucerne.
I have a 2000 Lesabre..... it was my Grandma's! I got it almost 2 years ago with 42k on it! I did replace the engine mounts, replaced the rear air shocks with hydraulic shocks, valve cover gasket, and a cv joint.... otherwise, all good.....
"What 'cheap' car was your best daily driver?" That's a tough one. My aunt and uncle gave me a free 1986 Ford Tempo with the Mazda diesel 2.0 with a 5 speed. Clear title, only cost was to tow it home and the needed repairs. Had squirrel nests from the oil pan up to the hood. Literally packed with leaves, nuts, twigs, nests and such. Started by, putting on a starter just to see & hear it run. Which it did, actually ran great! Put on an exhaust and went through the brakes. Little bugger got me over 50 mpg routinely. It was ugly as sin and puffs of 'stuff' would fly out of the vents when the heater was turned on. But only had @$600 in it, starter, exhaust, brakes, title, register, etc. This was back when fuel was very expensive, but diesel was slightly cheaper. Great little car, but my wife hated it.
Now, my newest cheap car might be one of my favorites. A 2008 Toyota Prius. Girl where my wife works couldn't get it started so she was going to pay to have it towed to the local junkyard. Instead, I said we'd take it. Again, clear title, just the cost to tow it home. Saved her the cost of the tow bill. Added gas and it started right up and began charging the battery! But, it had been neglected. Windshield is cracked, but I can live with it, needed a drivers side wheel bearing, has a dent in the passenger door, the front bumper had to come off to push out a large dent, the HID lights got changed to LED because the HID unit would randomly shut the light off, had to replace 2 of the cells later on along with cleaning the fan it was packed with gunk. Total after smogging it, lights, wheel bearing, 2 battery cells, title, registration, etc @$500-600
VT247
My first car was a 1998 LeSabre. Ran really well, but after a dozen Canadian winters there was quite a bit of rust-related issues that started to pop up. Made for an excellent daily driver though.
Rust just killed my 98 LeSabre
When I worked in auto parts, I was known for giving good advice... and the Car Wizard sounds just like I did! When he does a "buy this, not that", I am right there with him and this is a case in point. I have been recommending these cars for years for the same reasons the Car Wizard just gave. I would add one more positive point: these cars are usually some of the best performing in crash tests. A very important consideration when putting your child into a car, especially when you hear about how many kids are involved in crashes-- whether their fault or someone else's. Our son's first (and second) car was a Saturn... first, an SL1 and then an SC2. Believe it or not, he was involved in three crashes in those cars (none of them his fault!), and they lived up to the hype about how well they performed in a crash. After all, it's about keeping them safe! Thanks, Car Wizard. Just my two cents...
With the buy this not that I agree with him mostly but I feel some cars are unfairly judged. Same with some other people who talk about cars, I feel like biased opinions and unfairly judged is a problem with people. Car wizard seems a little less biased but there is some I disagree with
Those Saturn's are great cars. They are long term runners but have small oil passages that need oil changes done often to keep everything flowing!
@@iavagabond124 Amen! I think it's because we know that the Car Wizard bases his picks on actual experience!
@@sirsteele yes which is very good, again there's a car here and there I disagree with that he's said and I feel was unfairly judged. But for the most part the car wizard seems to be the most truthful and unbiased.
@@B0xlife1 My son and daughter were riding to school in the SL1, and they got rear-ended by another student in a full-sized Dodge pickup. It popped both seat ratchets, and did almost $2000 in damage (which would have easily totaled the car), but you couldn't really tell it! You had to open the trunk and move the liner to see where the structural metal had accordioned. My son drove the car for about a year after that without bothering to get it repaired (except for the seat mechanisms). The Dodge was undrivable! Its' front end was a mess!
My Dad had a 90"s Buick Park Avenue Ultra. Took it on a trip and got 30 mpg. Amazing for a Supercharged big car.
I must admit that the supercharged 3800 had a lot of potential. Definitely a sleeper.
Excellent engine, the transmissions were junk as per GM protocol. All upgradeable trans parts became expensive after 06ish and some are even too rare to find.
@@JesusSaves86AB Which Buick cars do you think are easier to find transmission parts for?
It really is an awesome engine. I have an 87 Lesabre T-Type with 540k on it. It looks and runs like it's got less than 100k on it. Great cars.
I bought a Buick Regal from an old lady after hearing you sing praises of the engine, I'm so glad I did. lots of trouble free miles so far. Thanks wizard!
How has it held up??
To anyone on here considering a Buick 3800 equipped car, specifically an N/A one: MAKE SURE IT HAS AN UPDATED FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR. My father's '01 Bonneville suffered a fiery explosion earlier this year due to a faulty fuel pressure regulator that GM claimed was improved for the 2001 model year. Turns out that was a lie. The car was totaled. Upon researching the issue, there are thousands of cases, and even a recall, which DID NOT cover cars after the 2000 model year, even though it obviously wasn't fixed on the newer cars. Even a famous video of a 3800 impala blowing up in the exact same way at a shop after an oil change. So if you've got a N/A 3800 car from 2000 or earlier, make sure its had the recall done. If you have a 2001 or later, you'll have to do the job yourself or somehow verify its already been done without a recall sticker.
Secondly, the 4T65E transmission is notoriously weak. Excessive clutch wear is pretty much guaranteed unless shift kit is installed. Signs of this issue are hard shifts aı eventually slippng/shuddering during acceleration.
The Aussie Holden Commodore used these in rear drive configuration from 1988 -2004.
You can get in and have a dance between the radiator and the pulleys of the engine!
Child's play to replace components.
Toyota had it's own version with a deal with Holden called the Toyota Lexcen. I had one for six years. Who'd imagine a Toyota with a Buick 3800!
I had a VY with the 3.8, no trouble for 200000 kms then I sold it
I got mine at 120,000km with black oil and no service history.
Changed the oil properly until.308,000km when I had an accident in it and wrote it off (totalled in American speak). A shame as it ran like the day I bought it up until then.
I still miss it.
I replaced it with an 89 Laser Ghia automatic which I still drive. Very reliable but less powerful of course.
Yes the 98-02 Camaro used the same configuration. One of the reasons i got that car. Wasn't the fastest but very reliable.
They were awesome. It was transmissions that killed those cars every time, never the engine
@@kwedog2373 I never knew the U.S got a car like that. The 1960-engine design was heavily revised in the 1980s especially for front wheel drive format. It was Holden in Australia who adapted it for their new rear drive models which were previously using inline sixes.
Putting this engine into a rear drive resulted in drive shaft shudders and over pronounced acceleration off the mark that Holden took a long time to gradually address as the engine's torque curve was engineered for fwd use.
I bet GM used Holden's know how in turning it rear drive to come up with the Comaro V6.
I've had my Buick Park Avenue (3800 series 2) from 20K miles to currently 180K miles. The only repair I've had to make is the coolant "elbows" on the water pump. GM put plastic ones it, i bought aluminum ones from orileys for $12.
Me too. One mechanic wanted like 800 bucks for all that !!! I went by my friends guy. Like 40 bucks.
I've got a 2000 park avenue. It's at 270k miles and it's strong yet.
"Toyotas bring a lot more money, because they are that good"
Scotty Kilmer enters chat.
Rev up your hinges!!!
I have a 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GT with the 3800 Series II. Bought it new and it now has 183,000 miles on it and is still a joy to drive. The only significant issues I've had were with the upper and lower intake gaskets and the normal oil leaks. Great video, Wizard!
I love how he adjusted the seat in parallel to the floor dimension, like it have changed something, lmao.
The seat isn't bolted to the floor 🤣 slide it forward on the runners in order to recline the backrest to make it more comfortable without tipping backwards and making a twat of yourself...
Thought about that after a while, but was too lazy to mention that. Well, anyway, the truth is revealed, the more you know, guys.
12:32 "If I was looking for a car for my daughter"
Wizard's daughter "I HAVE A HUNGER FOR PRELUDES"
FEED ME PRELUDES
LOL
Install Weber carburetors on a FIAT DOHC motor .... that username is oddly specific. What the hey I’ll subscribe.
My older daughter had a Prelude. It was a used car that she just purchased. At the first oil change her boyfriend asked me to help him change the oil. When we went to drain it, lmao (now), the oil came out as black as can be and only about a pint drained out. I couldn't believe it. We changed the filter and then I told him to run it for a few days and then change the oil and filter again and then one more time in a week just to get the system clean. She bought this car without me. Since then she and I both went to find her cars.
@@rickj1983 I always change the oil on a car as soon as I buy it. I never believe the seller when they say it has a fresh oil change.
What he never mentions with the Series II is that the plastic lower intake gaskets leak need to be changed 99% of the time. Mechanics will charge $1200-1500 for it, unless you DIY at about $60. Series III doesn't have this problem.
17:24 "Sports cars for kids means insurance thru the roof". Crazy true. I have a distant family member who's 18 year old just got a V8 Camaro. Insurance is $500 per month.
(Half second in:) Wiz! You give back my car, NOW!
I loved my LeSabre (but not the gas use), but I gave mine to my Mom-in-law. She loves it too. However, I'm done with GM crappiness (all 4 of my sedans had their fuel gauges malfunction pre-100k, among other stuff), so I'm only doing Honda/Toyota now.
My engines never died, though, just other pieces. An '83 Skylark 6-cyl, an '85 6000 4-cyl, and '94 and '05 3800 engines. All were bulletproof.
Please give us a video on the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury Panther platform cars, Wizard, highlighting common issues, what to look for, etc! Would love to see your take on them. Love your channel. My best to you and Mrs. Wizard.
He did a video awhile back praising the Ford 4.6L V8
Im from Australia, bought one of these in Canada for $1100 (with rust) for a road trip across the US. Paid someone to give me a ‘safety’ certificate and drove it for 6 months. BEST CAR ever. Drove the nuts off it, never let me down, comfortable and not too bad on fuel. I miss it badly. Now I drive a VW :(
That Olds. could be a good one for a student. Especially one going to college. Like you said, scrape off the inside of the roof. Maybe take it to a cheap Spray Shop. People don't realize such shops charge extra to remove the old paint so the car can be prepped for new paint. Do that yourself if you can, or just pay for that too. If those are hub caps, a new cheap set can easily be found. Would really improve the looks. Maybe skip the giant novelty red bow on the hood. Fantastic graduation gift! Car they can use for college. Car they can use when they get out into the real world after college.
Love my 2001 Buick LeSabre 3.8 with only 50K on her!! 30+mpg on highway.... They knocked it out of the park when they built this car. (That's WHY they don't make them anymore...!!!!)
I've been picking at a 97 Bonneville SSEI...car sat for over 2 yrs, put some fresh gas in it, fixed a gas leak...boost and it started right up.
The 3.8 still sounds great
Yezzir I have a '98 Bonneville SSEI as well. That series ll Supercharger whine is VERY pleasant to hear on the highway.
🏆 1997-1999 Oldsmobile 88 LS I’ve owned 3 & I LOVE THEM!!!! Very smooth & comfortable ride.... just like my 1983 Buick Electra Park Avenue sedan 🏆
I had an 02 Lasabre and I loved it very nice and comfortable ride with well over 200k miles only expensive thing that had to be fixed was the transmission. My current vehicle is an 01 Tahoe with the 5.3 and 342k miles and climbing. Back when GM made vehicles that lasted.
How much did it cost you to replace the trans
You can maintain your trans doing fluid transmission replacement every 30 o 40 th miles
My 1979 Ford Fairmont with the straight 6. Smooth as a sewing machine
A video like this on the Panther platform would be excellent
ooh yeah
Only problem is they get dogshit fuel economy 😂 aside from that, a Grand Marquis is a great choice for around $2000-3000
Car Wizard is right on the money. Back in 2005 I was on my way to the airport in Phoenix when I spotted a mint champagne colored 1998 Buick Park Avenue with a RARE custom Landau Roof on display in front of the Buick Dealership. An older couple had bought it new from this dealer and just traded it in on their 4th new Buick. Being garaged and dealer serviced, it looked brand new inside and was without even a scratch in the paint, interior or glass. It had gorgeous leather interior and every option Buick offered, with only 91K miles on the odometer.
I took it for a quick test drive, bought it wholesale for $8K from the Sales Manager, turned in my rental car, cashed out my return ticket home on Delta and spent the next 2 days "floating" down the freeway at 80 mph (and 32 mpg) to give this beauty to my recently widowed 82-year-old mother in Idaho. Oh, how she loved to be driven around the countryside in elegant car by my sister and myself!
Sixteen years later after mom passed at age 98, with only another 35K miles (now 126K mi) I recently sold it to a middle-aged couple for a bargain price of only $3,000, as it was ready to have the intake manifolds and the air shocks replaced. After they snatched it up they showed me a photograph of their OTHER mint Burgundy Wine colored 1998 Park Ave with a Landau Roof! The happiest (and wisest) couple in the USA are now "toasting" the world with His & Hers, Champagne & Burgundy Park Avenue Landaus..... ❤❤
Please make more of these type videos. They are great for people who are looking for value/inexpensive used cars.
One of my favorite cars especially for the highway was a '89 Buick Park Ave... What a cruiser. Plush velour interior nearly 8 inches thick. All the goodies too.
I really like this guy and his channel. Simple straightforward common sense coupled with decades of experience CAN NOT BE BEAT. Character and quality are very important ingredients in almost every kind of decision and circumstance, The Car Wizard has four aces in those two areas. He's one of my go-to's.
I had a 1999 Lumina LTZ with the 3800 and it was an absolute tank. The dash was lit up like a Vegas casino but I drove it to Alaska and back with zero breakdowns.
Wizard's comment and Scotty's comment do match up on Toyotas.
Keep making these vids, Wizard! I have been a fan of those engines for the same reasons and other, seemingly undesirable cars, that should be desired need to be brought back to memory.
A Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Town Car!
Panther platform cars are also very, very good!
and go through $2500 in gasoline per week... And another $2500 in repairs...
4.6 2v V8 is very bulletproof
@@jwenting Gas mileage? Definetly more than a 3.8. It's still a reliable car - parts are cheap because cops used the CVPI for almost two decades.
@@jwenting I drove Crown Victoria's for years and they didn't get extremely bad gas mileage for a big car. If you have the touring/sport/police package the rear end gearing is lower and and you loose about 2 to 4 mpg. If you have the plain model or the regular LX they get about 26 to 28 mpg on the highway. I averaged around 19.5 plus on my last 2007 LX.
Car wizard.my father after he retired from the defense department. Took a job delivering pizzas,he had a cutlass supreme,with a 3800 engine.he couldn't kill that car.thats my only experience with those engines,thanks for the honest recommendation.👍
Hey Wizard,
Long time listener here. I haven’t even watched the video yet. But when I saw the three cars, I automatically picked the Buick. That six will last forever!
I did love my 2000 Grand Prix GTP 2 door…3.8 Supercharged. Easy to work on. Parts were reasonable. Kinda big but fun.
Thanks for all of the car tips Wizard, I have learned a lot by watching your vides.
I have a 1994 Oldsmobile 98 with a 3800 engine in it and I got it from an older couple who bought it brand new and when I got it 4 years ago it only had 42,000 miles on it. I got it for $1000 and all I did was front ball joints and a master cylinder and it was perfect. It runs like a top, super comfortable, and really clean. It has 96,000 on it now ,and the only thing I have to fix is the rear air shocks. They finally rotted and don't hold air anymore and the air compressor runs more than usual. Even with that issue it still drives nice. I think I'm gonna have this car for a long time 🤣👍🏻
Buick is a great car. Grandparents owned two Le Sabres. Had a cousin who owned a Regal. 😀
When you can find a supercharged 3800 for around that price is awesome! Ive had a couple
That would be cool! Only thing is does it need premium gas? That could add a lot of cost over time to an otherwise good car, and maybe not economical for younger people.
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I've had really good luck with these engines except for one. I helped my cousin buy one from a little old man, beautiful mechanical condition, new struts, new alternator and starter. 120k and itnwas great for a month until it spun a bearing out of nowhere. Didn't overheat, didn't run out of oil, fresh oil change.
Oh well, onto the next
A wheel bearing?
I agree on the third car - no title, no deal. The other flag for me was the AC and the intake leak - that and the lack of engine / interior pics makes one wonder what other "soon" problems does it have? Now, the second vehicle has one thing going for it - if you live in a relatively high crime area, you probably don't want to get a car that looks like it's worth stealing... ;)
I have a lasabre with 3800 i drive from AR to chicago 4 times a month railroad . bought it off a firend was his moms she passed and i got the car with 100 k on it its been the best car i have ever owned for the money. Plus great gas milage , It has 160 on it now and just had to replace a coil, along with tires and brakes but it has saved me money all the way around and would drive it anywhere. Great Video thanks.
This is a great video!
I use to work at the DMV for 2 years and one thing I learned there is to always check the title, make sure they have it clear in hand and in their name. Don't trust the oh I've got a way to get a clear title. No they do not.
Wonderful, captivating video, presentation and review. My friend has the 3800 Series ll in his silver 2004 Monte Carlo SS, non-supercharged. He has 135,000 miles on that engine, and not a single problem. Great car, incredible engine.
Yeah, I love that the EGR is piped through a PLASTIC upper intake manifold and it warps. That causes coolant to get into the combustion chamber. The factory gaskets fail which causes oil to leak out and also into the combustion chamber too. At least the Supercharged version and the Series III version have an aluminum upper intake manifold.
Hey Wizard! Thanks to your numerous videos singing the praises of the 3800 and the LeSabre specifically I just bought perhaps the cleanest 2004 Custom in the country, and I’m giddy over this thing. I foresee a long time and many miles in this yacht, and as a DIY mechanic on a budget your perspective on the design, reliability, and economy of this car definitely spoke to me. My friends are already teasing me about the grandma car, but it looks like a new luxury car and rides like a dream and I’m happy-happy. And that stereo… The ONE con I was unaware of is the lack of folding rear seats or a pass-through to the trunk for carrying long items, but may go with universal roof rack bars and a pod to increase the day-to-day practicality, we shall see! Thank you for what you do, keep up the good work.
People ask me for car recommendations. I’ve joked for years, I think I’ve helped sell more 3800 series GMs, than GM assembled.
Thanks car wizard. High school aged daughter needs a first car. Great suggestions!
@TheCamshafter nobody drives based on how it makes others feel. Here in the states the distances a person has to travel for work or pleasure are much greater than Great Britain. In the past Americans placed a high value on self reliance and individual travels were part of that. The roads here are much less challenging for drivers. Wider roads with gradual curves make a big difference. By far the most dangerous driver is the distracted driver regardless of age.
You have such incredible integrity! Thank you!
Thanx to both of you Car Wizard. Helpful, practical advice on buying a classic comfort, reliable Ford, Buick car with the 3800 :-) "Make sure it has a clear, clean title!" is great advice 🚗 👍
Best layout for the 3800 Series 2 would definitely be the RWD Holden Commodore/Calais/Statesman
Everything is easier again to access, better intake manifold, etc
Put beside an Aussie Falcon, the 3800 Commodore/Calais/Statesman look even BETTER...🤣
Good choices. I'd always look at an old Corolla or maybe a versatile Pontiac Vibe as well, which is a Matrix underneath without as high a price. The Buicks are good value as well.
Best advice I have received from TH-cam! Got one with 60k just replaced the intake gaskets. Smoothest ride I have ever owned.
Dang you, Wizard!!! I was already looking for one of these grandpa cars because I want a reliable comfortable cheap second car to commute in and I just know your video is going to make values jump!
These engines were also the bread & butter of the Holden Commodore (in RWD configuration) from the late 80s until the mid 2000s. I've had many of them and am a huge fan - can't beat the overall package of power, reliability, economy, ease of maintenance and price. A shame that they are getting to the age where good examples are dwindling and the later 3.6 V6 is an overcomplicated piece of junk in comparison. One of the best engines GM ever designed.
For all the potential buyers of 3800 cars: fyi the Pontiacs and Chevys had lower transaxle ratio (like ring and pinion) than the Buicks and Olds cars. Thus the highway MPGs were way better on the Buick/Olds cars.
The Buick/GM 3800 engine is universally loved by mechanics and owners. The other engines I've noticed in this category are the 300 inline-6 Ford and older small block Chevy V8 engines. I own a truck with the latter, a 350 in a 1996 Chevy C1500. Apart from expected wear and tear (alternator, starter motor) the engine has been hassle-free. The 302 V8 in my other truck has similarly been very reliable, only a throttle position sensor has needed replacing so far. There are some good engines out there!
LeSabre is really an easier car to work on than most, access to components is good, parts are readily available, and they were usually owned by older folks. I saw a lot of these at the Buick dealer I used to work at, they are not fun to drive, but they are comfortable, and from what I've seen, reliable as well.
Tbh, I enjoy driving my lesabre. It’s just so comfortable.
Bad electrical problems
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I’d disagree, my 99 drives like a treat lol
I've had a few regal gs models and love them.
I had a Pontiac Bonneville with this engine (non turbo). Loved that car. Comfortable and very nice interior, decent power and never had any problems at all with it. What todays cars wish they were.
Great video Car Wizard..... when the Wizard speaks, one should always listen!
3rd buddy before it starts i had the impala with the 3800 it was great was my 1st car i loved my girl so much.
I’m honestly considering either an Impala or Park Avenue with the 3800 as a daily driver once I’m out of of college.
I had an '03 Impala, non supercharged 3800. That car was such a Piece of shite I named the damn thing MEDUSA
My co-worker had a 2005 Impala with 265,000 miles. It had no A/C or power steering. He finally gave it to the salvage yard when the water pump failed.
@@kingjlinza Don't buy a Park Avenue. To many sensors. Mine was in the shop every three months for a sensor. $200-$400 a visit. My 2001 and 2005 LeSabres were awesome though, because they do not have all the sensors like the Park Avenue Ultras.
Thanks. I was on the fence about getting rid of my 98 Buick LeSabre.
Vinyl wrap the OLDS 88 exterior. It will look better. You can fix the headliner with a 3M kit. Voila! You got a decent car.
I bought an 02 Lesabre Custom. I knew the 3800 engine was an excellent engine since I have one in the 90 Park Ave. Other than general maintenance, and a few minor things that have never been replaced, I have spent next to nothing, parts and labor wise. Put in a auto dimming mirror, with compass and temp for $30, replaced the center arm rest, since it didn't stay closed, and upgraded the radio to one from an 05 Lesabre. Also got 3 new remotes. The last 2 requires a computer, not the dealership. I bought the computer off Amazon for about $150. Reprogrammed all 4 remotes (the original and 3 new remotes) as well as got the radio to relearn the vin (otherwise you get the infamous GM "LOC" on the radio display) I constantly get compliments about the car looking so nice. I bought it with 89 k 2 years ago, and it now has 107k on it. I am averaging about 26 mpg in the city and 33 on the highway. Lots of power, lots of comfort. Thanks Car Wizard for featuring this car today! :)
3800s are the way to go, i really like our 01 lesabre. been pretty easy to maintain, have had odd issues but nothing a couple hundred cant fix. just glad it doesnt cost thousands each time to repair.
3800 Was a great engine however GM usually paired them them with a week and and unreliable automatic transmission. If anyone is considering one of these cars they should pay close attention to the condition of the transmission mostly
I wouldn't say the 4l60e variants are an unreliable auto tranny but they are no A340 either.
If they weren't serviced on flushes past 100k miles then yeah you run a risk of it shitting out on you around 180-200k miles.
Yep. I had a 95 Regal with only 81,000 miles and the tranny went out. I think the mileage may have been tampered with tbh but I think it was sitting for a while too
Had the exact same LeSabre as the one you're sitting in front of. Drove it for three years and then gave it to my daughter. It still ran like new and sold it with almost 300K miles on it.
Had a 88 Bonneville, 98 Bonneville, and and 04 Grand Prix. All the engines were great with good power, mpg, and reliability.
Great engine I had a olds 88
Absolutely cannot kill that 3.8 gm v6. However, based on my experience with my 02 lesabre and my grandfathers 00 lesabre, the transmissions could possibly be a no go. Both our transmissions went out at 80k. So if you find one of these cars with the 4t60 or 4t65 fwd transmissions and are under or around 100k miles, definitely change the trans fluid.
As kid I have written a lot of cabs that had GM 3800 V6 and my Grandfather had a Buick 88 and some of my friends car's 3800 V6 very reliable cars I've always loved the sounds of a 3800 series V6
I can't argue at all with you on that Series II 3800. They put them in SO many vehicles. I've had terrific luck with them
I always wanted a Park Avenue, since I was a kid...so I would buy one of these, even if I could afford a "better" car
I had a '94 park avenue since 2008. Gave me 12 years of reliable and affordable service. If I had the money, I would've kept it and put the money in.
I had a 1993 Park Avenue. To many sensors on them, compared to the LeSabre. Every three months it was in the shop getting a sensor replaced. $200-$400 a visit. My co-worker had one and the drivers power seat failed on his. $1600 for a new power seat.
I have you to thank for selecting my current car. When I got my 1991 Buick Century with the 3300, I was told it was the smaller cousin of the ultra-reliable 3800. I then watched your video about the 3800, and decided that would be my next car. So, when the transmission went out on my Century, I started looking for all the cars with a 3800. I found a 1998 Olds Eighty-Eight with 140,000 miles for $1800. I've had it since May 2020, and the only issue I've had is a bad O2 sensor, which will be remedied by the end of the week. This Eighty-Eight is the nicest, smoothest, and quietest car I've ever owned. And I hope I never have to give it up.
the best daily driver i had was a 71 valiant wirh the bulletproof slant 6, absolutely the most reliable production car motor ever built, i paid 30 dollars for it and it had been beaten as hard as they could so the rings were shot and it leaked a ton of oil, i should have kept it and had the engine rebuilt but those guys couldnt kill the thing, and as long as i kept enough oil in it, theres no way it would die
My older brother just got a 97 Buick Park Avenue with 170k miles for 1000 dollars from my coworker. Engine was rebuilt in 2007, tranny fluid was low, fuel guage didn't work. He replaced the tranny filter and did a fluid change, fixed the fuel guage, the car rides like a dream, has very nice interior and runs great. Glad I watch your videos and that he took your advice!
I've had 2 of these eight gen lesabres. Fantastic cars.