Bruce Prichard recounts the night of the montreal screwjob

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  • @vader97100
    @vader97100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    2 years later he’s back working under the new regime (and had a cool emotional scene with Rhodes at the end of mania)

  • @marknadratowski5728
    @marknadratowski5728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Actually Owen was not taken care of.

    • @nonstickmeat
      @nonstickmeat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Owen got the biggest contact of his life after. What happened after was a mistake dude

    • @slydEvil35
      @slydEvil35 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nonstickmeatnegligence isn’t a mistake.

  • @ezj9103
    @ezj9103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Im sure by now Shawn, Bret, Undertaker, Vince, Earl Hebner and Jim Cornette. And including everybody that was there are sick of answering questions and or talking about Survivor Series.

    • @FallicIdol
      @FallicIdol 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not Hebner. He is a narcissist

  • @jasonkraatz9574
    @jasonkraatz9574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Bruce does have the best Stu Hart impression

    • @FilmThePoliceFTP
      @FilmThePoliceFTP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like brets better. Brets is more dead on. Bruce's is more comical.

    • @alextrapp4049
      @alextrapp4049 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      His dusty Rhodes is absolutely spot on as well

    • @tammyforbes2101
      @tammyforbes2101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like his Vince M!

  • @MattSingh1
    @MattSingh1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    *Some facts about the double-cross:*
    -Bret Hart's contract wasn't up until December 1st, Survivor Series was on November 9th (meaning Hart could not legally show up on Nitro the night after SS)
    -During their backstage conversion at SS that night McMahon never once aske Bret to lose to Michaels
    -Bret offered to lose the belt to anyone aside from Michaels after SS at a major MSG house show, or at the December PPV in a Fatal-Four-Way match
    -Bret's lawyer sent a letter to McMahon stating he'd love to lose the belt specifically to Steve Austin

    • @Matt-cr4vv
      @Matt-cr4vv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bret had refused to lose to anybody in Canada. It’s even documented on his documentary. He turned in notice a week before SS. The issue is more so that WCW can announce they’ve signed the WWF Champion and the impact is there so show they’re premier and WWF isn’t. I don’t love what they did to Bret but in the end he was being petty.

    • @christianjames92
      @christianjames92 ปีที่แล้ว

      How in the blue hell do you know?

    • @stevenlatour1342
      @stevenlatour1342 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christianjames92 he doesn’t

    • @FforFake
      @FforFake 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stone Cold was not going to be made the new top guy and champion at Survivor Series or a fucking house show.

    • @marmcd2003
      @marmcd2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FforFake It was rumored he was going to drop it to Shamrock and he be a transitional champion and lose it to Shawn at IYH D-Generation X and Shawn then put Austin over at Mania.

  • @D2Kprime
    @D2Kprime 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I think Gerald Brisco's account was the most-telling of all that I've heard thus far, but all the accounts seem to be inconsistent with each other which means that the truth of what really happened is still buried under a mountain of BS and we will never know what really happened.

    • @MohamedAli-xu3uw
      @MohamedAli-xu3uw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ask Bret.

    • @bradlee5874
      @bradlee5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Joe Runstedler you mean that radio interview he did at that time? Yeah he was definitely right

    • @ogome2927
      @ogome2927 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      someone tell me gerry's version of the events pls

    • @bradlee5874
      @bradlee5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then again, Brisco's story (just like Prichard's) back in the day was that Shawn was a hero for screwing Bret and that Bret was undeserving to be in WWF. Not sure how much has changed since then.

    • @bradlee5874
      @bradlee5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh ok now I found out lol. It seems that Gerald changed his ways over the years. It claimed that he was just following orders and realized how great Bret was for the company. He felt bad for what happened.

  • @dentzer81ify
    @dentzer81ify ปีที่แล้ว +13

    That says a lot about Vince, he didn’t have to go down and face Bret but he did like a man.

    • @grantmcphee5149
      @grantmcphee5149 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He wasn't going to. Taker told him he needed to.

  • @christophersuswal9544
    @christophersuswal9544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love Conrad's surprise about Vince's Bret screwed Bret interview. He clearly wanted to get the people behind the company and it completely backfired. It was obvious to me as an 11 year old at the time but also I trusted Vince to use that heat well. Random comparison but those who remember the original formation of the New Day and how much the babyface gimmick was hated. What was perceived as a disaster was actually an opportunity to turn heel and get nuclear heat. Same with Vince

    • @arthurmorgan7086
      @arthurmorgan7086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂 as if an 11 year old notices or cares about that. Why lie?

    • @christophersuswal9544
      @christophersuswal9544 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arthurmorgan7086 I don't watch the current product. It's so bland and repetitive. As a kid tho wrestling might have been the biggest part of my life. You seem to have a deeper understanding of my childhood than I do, tho. Enlighten me on where I'm lying sir

  • @MrSheckstr
    @MrSheckstr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Maybe this has been addressed somewhere, but I’m not sure where.
    When did Bret Find out about Mick Foley refusing to show up at Raw the next day, what was his reaction to that show of loyalty, when did he speak to Mick Foley about that, and what was the nature of that conversation?

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Jonathan Hudgins Bret didn't wanna do business. If Shawn tried that in Stampede Bret would've sided with Shawn? Not a chance in hell

    • @davidrichards6059
      @davidrichards6059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TL2354 so u dismiss Shawn not doing business a bunch of times and being enabled? Or the fact that they could've had Undreraker take the belt and lose it to Shawn. It didn't HAVE to be done that way.

    • @AD-ur1fk
      @AD-ur1fk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@davidrichards6059 it’s not that easy. You fantasy bookers think u know everything. They were building for Shawn vs austin at mania.

    • @davidrichards6059
      @davidrichards6059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AD-ur1fk and YOU know everything? How does Taker winning the belt at Survivor Series and losing to Shawn on Raw hurt the Shawn and Austin program at all???

    • @Lord_Bibulous
      @Lord_Bibulous 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@AD-ur1fk Then maybe Vince shouldn't have given Bret creative control over his character. That part was in his contract. This whole fiasco was created by Vince.

  • @danishbhatt9116
    @danishbhatt9116 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What I don't understand is couldn't they just have come to an agreement with Bret that they get to keep the belt after this match and all his other matches just to protect themselves against the possibility of him leaving with it? That doesn't seem like it would be a difficult arrangement to have all parties agree to

    • @jimbowlan5804
      @jimbowlan5804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It wasn’t that they didn’t trust Brett it was that they didn’t trust Eric not come out and say we signed wwf champion Brett hart especially after the whole Medusa woman’s championship in the trash but and the Luger being on wwf tv and showing up on nitro the same night because that episode of raw was taped the week before

    • @danishbhatt9116
      @danishbhatt9116 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But WWF knew he was leaving before Survivor Series, they seemed more worried about the actual belt

    • @MattKeller
      @MattKeller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@danishbhatt9116 no, Bret owns replicas as do several guys who worked for wcw at the time like savage, hogan, flair, etc..Wouldn't have taken much effort to get a winged eagle on nitro. Bret had to lose the title of champion not the physical belt. Showing up on nitro with the belt, having not lost the title, would have been a huge deal and possibly a deathblow to WWF

    • @NastiMarvasti
      @NastiMarvasti 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jimbowlan5804 didn’t Vince sue WCW over the Madusa thing? I doubt they’d want that to happen again. Plus Bret still had a few weeks left on his contract. Plenty of time to lose the belt. This was all about Vince wanting to diminish Bret’s value after he went back on their original contract and the kliq basically running the show. Anything that comes out of management is simply PR.

    • @Disneymagic24
      @Disneymagic24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why didn’t they just have a rematch on raw the next night?

  • @FatMenace
    @FatMenace 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is several years old.

    • @hunterwade9030
      @hunterwade9030 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They did a remix because Bruce was busy so Brisco helped with this Pod

  • @119Agent
    @119Agent 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know when this was recorded? Obviously it is not from November 2021.

  • @wallace8585
    @wallace8585 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Like come on Conrad! They can get the belt from Bret as soon as he goes through Gorilla! “Sorry Bret, but we can’t let you leave this building with the belt!”

    • @MattKeller
      @MattKeller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Like most guys, Bret has replica belts on display at home. If he walks out without losing he could have showed up on Nitro with a personal belt still claiming to be WWF champion which would have rocked the sports world. He had to lose the title of champion not so much the physical belt

    • @Matt-cr4vv
      @Matt-cr4vv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s the point that he gets to leave WWF as the champion. Aka “the real world champion” situation with Flair. But the difference is WWF was getting pummeled.

  • @murraysaucedo897
    @murraysaucedo897 หลายเดือนก่อน

    16:11 Rick Rude and Brian Adams were two who “didn’t get it” I remember hearing an account of Adams being livid backstage the next night because of the screw job

  • @foshaged2006
    @foshaged2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know they both have passed away, but does anyone know whay Davey and Owen's view point on this? If there is a video please share.

  • @markmenning1804
    @markmenning1804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine Roman showing up on AEW with the WWE belt. That is what Vince was afraid would happen.

    • @Lord_Bibulous
      @Lord_Bibulous 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then he should've handled things better. His constant siding with Shawn didn't help matters.

  • @humblehugh23
    @humblehugh23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Its a shame how all that went down. I put that on Vince McMahon and nobody else. His man crush on HBK and how he let HBK and the Clit get out of hand is the reason this happened. Vince McMahon could have had Bret lose to Undertaker before he left.

    • @kamfisher1714
      @kamfisher1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      HBK was younger and better at that time. “Man crush” ok by your logic you have man crush with Bret. Sound like a man child.

    • @humblehugh23
      @humblehugh23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@kamfisher1714 I dont have a man crush on anybody. Im stating facts. The point is Vince let HBK and his posse get away with murder. At the end of the day if ur the boss act like one instead of a damn punk. I understand why Vince did what he did, but the way he did it was wrong. Vince goes back on his word a lot and holds grudges against people. Macho Man Randy Savage is the GOAT in my eyes and Vince and the WWE overlooks him based on politics and he wasnt a Vince butt kisser like HBK, HHH, Hulk Hogan and others.

    • @kamfisher1714
      @kamfisher1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@humblehugh23 So Vince let the “posse” do exactly what Ric flair, Dusty Rhodes, Hulk hogan did?🤣 you guys are so naive to the wrestling business. It’s happening right now with Tony khan and the young bucks, their posse have their hands on booking decisions. Where’s that same energy? The Kliq brought in a wrestling boom, nuff said. They can do anything they want. How can you over look someone and make them win the main event of wrestlemania? Typical wannabe fantasy booking smark.

    • @humblehugh23
      @humblehugh23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@kamfisher1714 Well last time i checked HBK and Diesel were 2 of the worst selling WWE champions in history. Couldnt sell why u think WCW was beating them in the ratings? And everybody knows XPAC sucks. HHH? He overrated always working with the top talent. Scott Hall was never WWE champion. U cant compare Flair, Rhodes, and Hogan to them. These 3 actually could sell and put asses in the seats.

    • @kamfisher1714
      @kamfisher1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@humblehugh23 Hall and nash were in the NWO and caused the stir. Shawn was DX, The world champion heading into Wrestlemania 14. They changed the business while your precious bret wanted to stay in the same old bland era that he was champion in.

  • @Tanniss
    @Tanniss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    um this video must have been a long while ago because by god pritchard works for wwe now

    • @bradlee5874
      @bradlee5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah. Probably like 2016

  • @ralphhernandez3366
    @ralphhernandez3366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    13:22 how's that never-working-for-them-again thing working out? Lol

  • @278steve
    @278steve 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brian Adams is one who didn't understand. That's why a couple of weeks after he left wwf to go to wcw.

  • @etherdetroit1977
    @etherdetroit1977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    100% a work. There's nothing that will ever convince me it wasn't.

  • @chucknoris3529
    @chucknoris3529 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like Bret but he seems to make the same mistake that 98 percent of wrestlers make. He thought he was irreplaceable and that the belt was his to keep. It's a business. Once you leave that job for more money that company has to worry about its survival and not yours. Bret took it so personally.

  • @garrybynon6080
    @garrybynon6080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    there is the story, there is the bruce story, then the brett story, now we get to the real shit with Brisco story

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bret

  • @123usaguy
    @123usaguy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "That documentary was very one sided."
    Like your podcast Brother Love

  • @12InchMassiveOnline
    @12InchMassiveOnline 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wrestling with shadows cameras were there, because its on the documentary were bret asked Shawn if he had anything to do it

  • @benjamineshbach6212
    @benjamineshbach6212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "I don't work for WWE, and I probably never will again". That's rich Bruce. 2nd only to Hogan on the bullshit meter.

    • @hunterwade9030
      @hunterwade9030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This was one of the first podcasts they did. He was so far out of WWE's mind at that point it was crazy. You must be dull

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He also said "Never say never" which you somehow forgot to mention. Why?

    • @benjamineshbach6212
      @benjamineshbach6212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TL2354 then why even bother saying anything if you are later in the statement nullifying it with a cliche? Get a grip

    • @benjamineshbach6212
      @benjamineshbach6212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hunterwade9030 so they are now uploading old clips? How was I too deduce that? Get a grip

    • @userjim83
      @userjim83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@benjamineshbach6212 probably from having some basic common sense

  • @butch5419
    @butch5419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was the End of an era and the Start of a new one at that moment.

    • @marmcd2003
      @marmcd2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Meh attitude era was in full swing at that point it happened at Mania 13 when Bret and Austin did the double turn.

    • @manopike
      @manopike 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marmcd2003No it wasn’t. Not at all, actually. Vince’s last PPV as the announcer was only the month before. This absolutely marked the dawn of the Attitude Era.

  • @eddiemoney1093
    @eddiemoney1093 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a Conrad so there will be...nine ad breaks in a 1/2 hr video

  • @justinkassinger8238
    @justinkassinger8238 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm sorry but Owen wasn't a legend alive. He was a mid carder. Great wrestler. But just cuz someone dies, it doesn't automatically make them great. Our society has a habit of that.

  • @mikemichaels6753
    @mikemichaels6753 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4 people knew and Bret loves money and his rep. Vince gave him both that night and he was in on it all.

  • @josephmiller9424
    @josephmiller9424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vince knew Brett couldn't have shown up on WCW with the WWE belt law suit

    • @hunterwade9030
      @hunterwade9030 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heat of the second he did not know anything

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bret

  • @deevahgirl
    @deevahgirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe it wasn't a work but a great business man making the best out of a bad situation and none of the men involved are lying. Just a maybe

  • @My19812011
    @My19812011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Reality is the whole thing for Vince McMahon went back to 1991 when he pushed for Ric Flair to come out on WWF television as ‘The Real World Champion’ with the WCW title, Vince was scared this would happen to him in return
    Legally there was no way Bret could turn up on Nitro with the belt as he was contracted for another few weeks but in Vince’s mind there was nothing to stop Bischoff declaring they’d signed the WWF champion whilst Bret was STILL the champion and that would have been a death blow
    So they needed to get the title off of Bret on PPV or Raw and Bret point blank refused to drop it to Shawn even though Shawn was always dropping it to Austin, Vince had decided on Austin winning the title at WrestleMania 14 before Shawn had even won it from Bret

    • @PizzaT
      @PizzaT หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bret is trash.

  • @markfinch6794
    @markfinch6794 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why did Vince not just say , I’ve been booking shitty shit since 93

  • @adrianwalters2318
    @adrianwalters2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I don't understand is the people that screwed Bret said "Bret won't do the business and he can't leave with the belt" but Bret said he would drop the belt on Raw he just didn't want to drop it in Canada. Bret was disrespected end of discussion and the sad thing is he was never the same again!!! SMH

    • @mr.brenman2132
      @mr.brenman2132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lol no wrestler decides where and when they lose a fake belt that is the property of the company. He's being paid to do whatever the company tells him to do. He was not going to leave on top. That's not how that has ever worked.

    • @adrianwalters2318
      @adrianwalters2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mr.brenman2132 I understand what your saying i know perfectly well wrestling isn't REAL but Bret said he was willing to drop the title. Not to mention if you remember Rick Flair was in the WWF with the WCW belt and we all know Rick's attitude

    • @Matt-cr4vv
      @Matt-cr4vv ปีที่แล้ว

      Bret offered to surrender the belt on Raw not lose it on Raw. Have to remember that the Raw after Montreal was in Ottawa so the sticking point of Canada would still apply. The issue wasn’t the belt on nitro as much as it was Eric being able to say they’d signed the WWF champion before Bret would lose it.

    • @adrianwalters2318
      @adrianwalters2318 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Matt-cr4vv I'm glad you said that!!! So Rick Flair came on WWF TV with the WCW title that's kool??? Shawn Michaels surrenders the IC title and World title and that's kool??? The double standards is crazy

    • @arthurmorgan7086
      @arthurmorgan7086 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mr.brenman2132actually they can. It’s called creative control. Which Bret had

  • @AmericanGypsy206
    @AmericanGypsy206 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you hear WWE officials, tell their side of the story, it kind of sounds like they defend bad choices that they make, but I will say this after the last two years of listening to both Bruce Prichards and Eric Bischoff’s podcast, Bruce has more credibility than Bischoff every time I listen to that guy talk. He’s just a complete moron and pretends like he didn’t know what was going on and like WCW didn’t really give him full control of what was going on He’s the biggest bullshitter in wrestling history he pretty much screwed Bret in the WCW just like Vince screwed him in the WWE

  • @AS_ONYX
    @AS_ONYX ปีที่แล้ว

    19:07 Who else do you think? Taker, Austin, Vader. Shawn didn't have the balls, he'd been beaten up in every shoot fight he's been in.

  • @GamingNewsIn60
    @GamingNewsIn60 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think Taker knew. As seen in wrestling with shadows bret went to vinces office and it was locked and stated "the piece of sh** has locked himself in his office" and also its well documented that Taker was in the dressing room when bret punched vince and Taker never done anything.
    Taker did speak to vince afterwards and after that conversation with vince he was cool about it all.

  • @touyang1687
    @touyang1687 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The WWE has Ruben so much about this incident. Same things like bread would not drop the belt when he was willing to drop the bell to at least five different wrestlers not named Shawn Michaels which has all been corroborated by Jim Ross who was in charge of talent relations. So Jim Ross confirmed that Brett was willing to drop the title to guys like the undertaker, stone cold Steve Austin, Vader, Ken Shamrock and a few others.
    Moreover, Brad should not have shown up in WCW the next night which he did not do. If Brad could have appeared in WCW the next night, like Rick rude, he would have. Brett couldn’t do so because he had a 30 day no compete clause so he had to wait at least 30 days before appearing on WCW tv

  • @bloodalpha1170
    @bloodalpha1170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pays for TH-cam premium still has to here konrad Thompsons BSS adverts and advertising...

    • @ksronlinemedia3798
      @ksronlinemedia3798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The way he sneaks the ads into the show as if regular programming is annoying ... I disliked the video for that reason.

  • @bingolingo7021
    @bingolingo7021 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Haha Bruce gets so flustered very easily haha grumpy

  • @uyhvcf
    @uyhvcf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why doesnt anyone say that Bret was screwed because of Eric Biscoff? Eric was all likely was gonna make Bret a lame duck champ with the live Nitro tv?

  • @mutedmutiny9542
    @mutedmutiny9542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The whole concern over Bret taking the belt to WCW with him is absolute BS - they could have just taken the belt from Bret after the show so that WWE has possession of it. I know that usually the champion travels with the belt but there’s no law that says they HAVE to, that’s just how WWE typically does it, and this being an exceptional circumstance, they could have just taken possession of it to make sure it didn’t go to WCW. I can’t believe that anyone buys this nonsense honestly, it is so stupid

    • @jaro4742
      @jaro4742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah it’s complete BS. If they wanted the belt off him so badly they should have just booked Bret v Taker

    • @MattKeller
      @MattKeller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You know guys like Bret all buy belts to display in their house, right? If he walks out as champ, even if they take it, he can show up on nitro with a personal belt and claim to still be WWF champion. If he loses, there's no point in him doing such a thing. If he showed up on Nitro with the belt it would have been HUGE! Way bigger deal than Madusa doing it.

    • @mutedmutiny9542
      @mutedmutiny9542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MattKeller that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. If that’s the case then anyone can just buy a belt and then take it to some other company and claim to be the champ. Come on

    • @MattKeller
      @MattKeller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mutedmutiny9542 um, no they have to be the fucking champ at the time so not everyone could do it. Right now literally two guys could show up on Dynamite with the belt, not all 200 people on WWE rosters right now. Only one AEW guy could show up on smackdown and claim to be champion. You're confusing the physical belt with the title of champion, the title being the issue here not the actual physical belt...

    • @p-can5487
      @p-can5487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MattKeller you know he had a month left on his contract after SS. Multiple times bret said he’d lose it USA even to hbk.

  • @johnnyso1979
    @johnnyso1979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They killed Owen.

    • @andrewlivingston1590
      @andrewlivingston1590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m with you. This stuff is positively piddlesticks in comparison to life or death. Nobody was ever screwed worse than Owen!

  • @tammyforbes2101
    @tammyforbes2101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don’t blame Vince a bit I never cared for Bret! He acted like Vine owed him something cause he bought out their promotion! Like Vince should automatically take care of him the rest of his life!

  • @Panwere36
    @Panwere36 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The excuse Vince used was what Medusa did with the Women's title belt. That was Vince's doing. He trashed all her hard work and wrecked the division for the second time, and that is on him. While Bret may have been wrong on some things, Vince is the person who has now a second time put his company in jeopardy of going the way that those he put out of business went In fact, his daughter and son-in-law have been making many of the same mistakes.. and his son will have to save it if he can.
    However, I do agree with Bruce here. _Wrestling with Shadows_ just like _Beyond The Mat_ was not giving everything to everyone, and doesn't tell everything.

    • @nickcox1408
      @nickcox1408 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, but Medusa willingly left WWF to WCW and dropped it in the trash after Vince made her a star, so she was wrong. She's an idiot for listening to bischoff. I'd trash her too.

  • @KylePrime_1986
    @KylePrime_1986 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's funny I wonder what Taker would have done if he hadn't been sent away

  • @darthsebio1726
    @darthsebio1726 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Hart’s spit on them...he says that as if that was a bad thing...

  • @nickcox1408
    @nickcox1408 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bret went to the media and exposed the whole thing first. He wanted to hand the belt over the next night and walk away. Nah! That wasnt going to happen. Bret was being just as difficult as shawn and bret wasnt drawing either. Raw was losing ratings and vince couldnt afford his contract.

    • @PizzaT
      @PizzaT หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bret is a clown.

  • @josephross7936
    @josephross7936 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I get a list of who knew?
    1. McMahon
    2. Shawn
    3. Triple H
    4. Brisco
    5. Hebner (5 minutes before the match
    Am I missing anyone?

    • @humblehugh23
      @humblehugh23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Patterson

    • @tallthinkev
      @tallthinkev 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cornette

    • @MarcoStrange
      @MarcoStrange 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've heard Slaughter knew, but not sure if that's true or not.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tallthinkev I don't think he knew, until it was happening, then when he realized it, he high tailed it out. He knew something was up....but didn't exactly know what.

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No

  • @jamiefreeman436
    @jamiefreeman436 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who listen to this for Conway??? Or are do we listen to hear wrestling stories from the people that was there?? My point of saying this is.. damn it Conway stop talking over Bruce. Let the man finish his sentence before you cut him off!!!

  • @johnnyso1979
    @johnnyso1979 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never say never.

  • @charliewolcott744
    @charliewolcott744 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bulldog impression >>>>>>>>

  • @OriginalWrestlingDocumentaries
    @OriginalWrestlingDocumentaries 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bruce screwed Bret

  • @Kelsiemcmahon20
    @Kelsiemcmahon20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason I don't believe this was a work is if it was bret would have bn bk in wwe withing 4 year and not 13 as was the case

    • @adamproctor9061
      @adamproctor9061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Owen died in 99. Brett had the concussion in 99 which eventually caused him to quit in 2000. The stroke was 2002. This is why it took 13 years for the Brett/Vince match. Personally I am 80/20 in favor of it being a work.

  • @Kamgolf
    @Kamgolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Only Bret’s story is consistent all the time it’s told. So really all these WWE stooges telling the story always seems to be revisionist history.

    • @hunterwade9030
      @hunterwade9030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bret is a stroke victim who has proven to have a awful memory

    • @Glatisant_galla
      @Glatisant_galla 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah

    • @willarrington3188
      @willarrington3188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not cornette

    • @thindz91
      @thindz91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@willarrington3188 Well he changed it from 'it wasn't my idea' for years into 'i suggested it out of frustration'

    • @PizzaT
      @PizzaT หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bret sucks and is trash.

  • @p-can5487
    @p-can5487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bs owen was never offered to be let go

  • @KingLabbizzle
    @KingLabbizzle 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the end of the day..........
    Bret.
    Screwed.
    Bret!

  • @jaredarnold640
    @jaredarnold640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bret was never going to show up on WCW with their belt.

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He told you that?

  • @jonbourgoin182
    @jonbourgoin182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    24:35 Russo took credit for this and now Prichard's taking credit for it lol

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Russo didn't have anything to do with anything....except what is in his own imagination.

    • @travissloan6864
      @travissloan6864 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jon Bourgoin+ I like how ALL these clowns,( Russo, Prichard, Cornette ), want to take credit for this shit many years after the fact when you know full FUCKING well if the Hitman even suspected their ass was involved they'd be hauling ass for the airport to leave town in a very quick hurry. That's the fact of the matter there.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@travissloan6864 Cornette has never taken credit for it. All he did was explain to Russo what a screwjob was, because he didn't know.

    • @jimbowlan5804
      @jimbowlan5804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Corny mad the suggestions he didn’t know they where gonna go with it cause he was told something diffrent

    • @youonlyliveonce12ish
      @youonlyliveonce12ish 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LadyDragonsblood He totally did in Dark side of the Ring.

  • @dusteedawg2915
    @dusteedawg2915 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been spit on before by an ex it DOESN'T feel good .

  • @Jaxon23294
    @Jaxon23294 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They fooked him

  • @mws755
    @mws755 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm thinking Bret acted like a spoiled 3 year old

  • @ttwarrior1
    @ttwarrior1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All a work. Plus Shawn being in the dressing room with him was a work.

  • @kellyallen8528
    @kellyallen8528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was a work and it was amazing.

    • @David-sl6xf
      @David-sl6xf หลายเดือนก่อน

      It wasn't, this is just a dumb thing people say. Why would all these guys be lying about it this many years later? What's the point of keeping kayfabe at this point?

  • @p-can5487
    @p-can5487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Balls hated bret. Balls acted innocent

  • @Tweet_Wrestling
    @Tweet_Wrestling 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A part of me says the Montreal Screwjob is the best work ever.

    • @Bretisstillaboss
      @Bretisstillaboss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If that was a "work" they would have "worked" Bret returning after his WCW contract expired to create the biggest and most profitable rematch in WWF history. He resinged with WCW instead...so to me that shows me this wasn't a work at all.

    • @Tweet_Wrestling
      @Tweet_Wrestling 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Rick Marina 😂

    • @Tweet_Wrestling
      @Tweet_Wrestling 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bretisstillaboss with the rematch it’s a 1 off attraction. Think of all the documentaries and talk of it that has made money since. Still to this day people are making money off it.
      I’m 50/50.

    • @davidyeary385
      @davidyeary385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it sure did Work to spark the wrestling boom of the late 90s.-without it would the 90s wrestling everybody loves even exist?

    • @richardarmstrong6513
      @richardarmstrong6513 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd imagine you also think that we didn't go to the moon, that the earth is flat etc.

  • @MrRadical87
    @MrRadical87 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bret screwed Bret.

  • @LadyDragonsblood
    @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dang, I have two, and only two questions I wanted answers to about Montreal. I have had them ever since I saw the match in 1997. Sadly neither question was answered....and I am starting to wonder if they ever will be.

    • @epicproportionsmediaproduc6697
      @epicproportionsmediaproduc6697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They can’t be answered because you failed to ask them.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@epicproportionsmediaproduc6697 No point in asking them here as Bruce never responds to comments. Only someone who was there can answer them. They are not the average questions that have been asked a billion times.

    • @epicproportionsmediaproduc6697
      @epicproportionsmediaproduc6697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LadyDragonsblood well I was intrigued but now I just don’t care.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@epicproportionsmediaproduc6697 sorry... but they are questions that can't be answered unless someone was there. Just asking them randomly in comments.... leads to a lot of trouble, because I used to ask them.... but all I got was mocked and told how stupid and so forth. So, I will save the questions for the right time and place.

    • @markcoughlan6863
      @markcoughlan6863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LadyDragonsblood if you don't want to ask on here as you knew Bruce doesn't read it... then why even mention it? Don't say "because I want them answered" , because you've ready said Bruce doesn't read it. The only reason you'd post is for the attention of people wanting to know the questions.
      If you want an answer... ask. You'll get loads of different answers from people who weren't there, obviously. But someone might be right. Don't let anybody insult you for asking a question. There is no such thing as a stupid question. Ask it and I'll see if I can help find the information.
      People saying questions are stupid are the people that say riding a bike is easy. It's only easy when you find out how. But to someone that has never ridden a bike, then it's not easy. People just want to act like they know it all. Just post the wu buddy, ignore the trolls.

  • @All-purpose
    @All-purpose 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish conrad would shut up and let bruce talk

  • @HereIsWisdom1318
    @HereIsWisdom1318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its not true that Bret left Vince no choice

  • @Joepacalypse1107
    @Joepacalypse1107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Hart family showed their true lack of class with the spitting.

    • @AngelPerezComedy
      @AngelPerezComedy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You just sound soft. Also that business was their life.

    • @Millwall77
      @Millwall77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, action causes re-action...wouldnt you stand up for a family member if someone pisses in their mouth? Right or wrong-one stands up for ones family.

  • @weseisenschenkslostmusclec9123
    @weseisenschenkslostmusclec9123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rude left.

  • @logannedervelt6040
    @logannedervelt6040 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Conrad interrupts people so much

  • @bigdaddycool28716
    @bigdaddycool28716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well being spit on is bad but I believe Vince and whoever knew about it deserved that Bruce was in the line of fire.... I think HBK was a asshole and a coward for not coming froward and admit it... I know he did years later when he was in a different place in his life but still

  • @chrismonk8446
    @chrismonk8446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I don't get is Bret cried forever about...Hogan should of dropped the belt to him. Bret wanted to be hailed as the best ever . But in this moment his boss asked him to do something and he refused..." That doesn't work for me brother" so Vince did what he had to do because Bret's ego cannot be touched. He got what he deserved in my opinion.

  • @p-can5487
    @p-can5487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bs don’t know when he was showing up in wcw. So the contract had no date. Lmao.

  • @Difrentstyles
    @Difrentstyles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your back on the stand Bruce let's hear it

  • @tkin1973
    @tkin1973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's professional wrestling i.e. not a real sporting event, how can there be a screwjob? Looks to me like talent marking out for themselves.

    • @kennethmalone4689
      @kennethmalone4689 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously? Professional wrestling is a mock combat story telling narrative. Each match & program has a specific direction. As everyone knows things are predetermined. If the ending of the match is changed (due to a reason other other than say, an accident/ injury in the ring,) and the participants are unaware of the cause of the ending then it's a screw job.

  • @p-can5487
    @p-can5487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Undertaker new. More bs. He disliked hbk then was friends with bret. Why would they tell him.

    • @jonathansmith7306
      @jonathansmith7306 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Listen to just 10 seconds after he said that

  • @songspire
    @songspire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    work

  • @epicproportionsmediaproduc6697
    @epicproportionsmediaproduc6697 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    “He deserves one [punch] shot,” said the man who thought the public would see him as the babyface in the matter. That’s how out of touch Vince was (even back then).
    Meanwhile, “The documentary was one-sided.” Derp. Of course it was, ...just like every single piece of WWE produced media on this (and any other subject)! Bruce is just salty that Bret got to tell his “one side” of this story, with the film (and audio) to back it up, so WWE couldn’t be the only “one side” that got to tell the story.

  • @drue_tube9357
    @drue_tube9357 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bret 🔩 Bret

  • @DrSlippyFist86
    @DrSlippyFist86 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I love listening to Bruce, but Conrad is SO irritating!

  • @paulpanepinto9644
    @paulpanepinto9644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thats all BS about Shawn being the only 1 having the balls to do the job he did, and the way they prop up Michaels like they do. Of course he had the guts to do it !! Him and Bret had real life heat!! He hated Bret. And if anybody has ever noticed-go watch the rivals dvd w Bret and Shawn where they go in depth about their fued. Michaels says point blank that he despised Bret and deep down he just wanted Bret to tell him he was good. For all the talk about Shawn being the best ever esp of the 90’s, who was the one person he wanted the validation from to say that he could work and was good? The Hitman. Everyone else had their noses up his backside but he wanted that pat on the back from bret. So who really was the best? I say the Best there is best there was, and the best there ever will be. Hands down. And if Shawn hadn’t refused losing at WM 13 to Bret, who knows how history would have been written. Just my opinion tho.

  • @cats362
    @cats362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hbk had best promo in canada 2005 tho, bret screwed bret lol i still believe if bret wasnt so greedy, owen would be alive today because he wouldnt had to go back to that dumb blue blazer

  • @DEADHEAD16090976
    @DEADHEAD16090976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First

  • @TeddyKGB12
    @TeddyKGB12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't think much of them before listening to this, but now I've lost all respect for the Hart family after hearing that they spit on Bruce! How ignorant! Now I'm glad that Buh Buh Buh Bret can't walk and chew gum at the same time now without having a seizure!

  • @roobear78
    @roobear78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it was a work from start to finish but even if it wasnt vince has no bragging rights about the right thing to do he couldnt trust bischoff etc etc because he did it FIRST yes thats right he did it in 1992 when flair jumped with the belt and wwf at the time included it on there tv and in storyline! eveyone forgets that little piece of history

    • @TheTennesseeFistMachine
      @TheTennesseeFistMachine 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thx for the insight Vince Russo

    • @roobear78
      @roobear78 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTennesseeFistMachine oh your so cool and witty...................

    • @toddd.joyner1789
      @toddd.joyner1789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You sure about that?

    • @roobear78
      @roobear78 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@toddd.joyner1789 i think kevin nash put it best when he said nothing gets on vinces tv and you never see anything that vince never wants you to see,yet the wrestling with shadows crew captured him "limping" out of the dressing room after bret punched him! And so much more! its wrestling its never as clear cut and dried as it appears no matter what anyone else has said over the years about what they knew and seen! final cherry to top it off,bret is as stubborn and serious as they come,if vince really had screwd him there is no way in hell he would ever have come back and did buisness with him again

    • @toddd.joyner1789
      @toddd.joyner1789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roobear78 Vince did screw Bret, it just took a long while for them to bury the hatchet.

  • @theevn7
    @theevn7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bret Greatest legend in all sense

  • @TargetHHH101
    @TargetHHH101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It could have been so simple, Bret beats Shawn pin or submission doesnt matter, he hands the belt to Vince in gorilla (guerilla) whichever is the proper term. Bret hits the showers then leaves to WCW, they wouldnt even have to mention him on Raw the next night since his contract was up. It's literally that easy.

    • @HollywoodBigBoss
      @HollywoodBigBoss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it's not. When you are the champion you have to do the honors. Bret screwed Bret.

    • @119Agent
      @119Agent 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There was no way Vince was going to let Bret walk out the door as champion without loosing the belt.

  • @jamesbellegarde2893
    @jamesbellegarde2893 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely love the video another great one, Bruce as far as I’m concerned you deserve to be spit on with the rest of them you chose the side actions have consequences. In wrestling do you have regular heat and you have white hot heat/hate. You generated the wrong type to make money and you got burned.

  • @mr.c4p
    @mr.c4p 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    omg enough Montreal talk. it's one of those topics that should never ever be discussed again. there's years and years and years worth of discussion out there already about it. the monday night wars, dx invading wcw, hall and nash jumping to wcw, and the Montreal screwjob should all have been on the retired topics list like 25 years ago. there's literally nothing more anyone could possibly learn about any of those subjects at this point. it's just constant rehashing and repeating.

    • @TL2354
      @TL2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No one forced you to open the video

    • @mr.c4p
      @mr.c4p 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TL2354 I saw it pop up on my feed and found it insane that all these years later there's STILL "new" content popping up on podcasts and different videos about this subject. It literally happens regularly and it's just rehashing the same exact thing over and over again. If you aren't beyond annoyed by it by now you probably haven't been a fan long enough. It's infuriating. if there was a way for me to block anything and everything relating to the 'montreal screw job' from my online experience I would have done it 20 years ago.

  • @PTKirkw
    @PTKirkw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did Brett Hart NOT know that wrestling is FAKE????...Did he just get his wakeup call THAT night???

    • @MrSheckstr
      @MrSheckstr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He knew that wrestling was fake, and I’m pretty sure that he knew Americans knew wrestling was fake, but he felt that his Canadians took their Canadians wrestlers in the American promotion more seriously, particularly when they perceived the Canadian wrestler and the put upon baby face and the American wrestler as the spoiled and pampered heal

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean scripted.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Autisticwanderer Yes he did, which is what every working man should do. I know I did when I worked. Because I knew my family depended on it. So did Bret. It was also the only life he ever knew. Bret is always so misunderstood.

    • @justinwalker2928
      @justinwalker2928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LadyDragonsblood Bret isn’t misunderstood . Bret is a hypocrite and a mark for himself.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@justinwalker2928 Never was a more wrong comment made. How is he a hypocrite or a mark for himself? Because he is proud of the work he did? You are sorely lacking in your knowledge of Bret.

  • @johnbollinger6080
    @johnbollinger6080 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Owen hart world still be alive if he left with his brother.

  • @edwardiputo1592
    @edwardiputo1592 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I the only who agrees that Bret was unreasonable and selfish.

  • @undertakerfanz8974
    @undertakerfanz8974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bruce screwed Bret