Good morning 🌄 and day my friend and sister and pastor Sue! I wish I could tell everyone I have ever seen in my life that God loves them!! GBY and your family! Love Jim
Ecc. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the entire duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Thank you for this verse, it brings more understanding to the subject. God's people need to spend more time with the Holy Spirit, studying the Word. Our religious leaders are very busy running their .orgs and don't take enough time to study. May God use you in powerful ways .
Good morning! Hearing the song day by day from Godspell. "To see Thee more clearly. Love Thee more dearly. Follow Thee more nearly. These three things I pray!! GBY. Jim
The hymn I love is, "O' For a Thousand Tongues To Sing" 1 O for a thousand tongues to sing my great Redeemer's praise, the glories of my God and King, the triumphs of his grace! 2 My gracious Master and my God, assist me to proclaim, to spread thro' all the earth abroad the honors of your name. 3 Jesus! the name that charms our fears, that bids our sorrows cease, 'tis music in the sinner's ears, 'tis life and health and peace. 4 He breaks the power of cancelled sin, he sets the prisoner free; his blood can make the foulest clean; his blood availed for me. 5 To God all glory, praise, and love be now and ever given by saints below and saints above, the Church in earth and heaven.
Good morning 🌄 my wonderful friend and sister and pastor Sue! Good community post today by Tim Foster. I believe that we who have volunteered for And were chosen to work the harvest are about to be translated into our capable selves to complete our great mission being about FATHER'S business for HIS glory! The fields are ripe and we are few but our LORD goes before us so our victory is assured!! Thank YOU JESUS!! Love and prayers! GBY and your family! Jim
Hi my brethren in Christ! This last lap is kicking my butt. Seems like the enemy keeps moving the finish further away. Please come right away LORD! I'm crawling to the finish. GBY all! Jim
Amen and Amen. Dearest Sue and annointed family teachers, this is TRUTH. Our Holy Spirit is the guarantee this promise and reward will come to pass because we believe it. Always so much confirmation and blessing to listen to revelation from Him through His teachers.❤
Oh Sue thank you so very very much for confirmation of what I have been shown by Father as well. It is a way of life . He is so wonderful to share these beautiful truths that are hidden from so many in these days . Bless you beautiful sister 🤗❤️
You are such a dear, Vicki! Thank you for letting us know this is resonating with you as well. Confirmation is extremely helpful and encouraging to us. May God continue to reveal His plan to His bride and may we have the skill and courage to pass it on. Joy to you!
Good morning 🌄 my wonderful friend and sister and pastor Sue and all my brothers and sisters in Christ! Hope y'all have a good day! GBY and your families! Jim
Good morning 🌄! Asking for prayers please for my 92 Year old stepdad who has heart problems. He's not doing well. He can barely walk to the bathroom. I'm praying that when it's his time to pass that it's quick and painless in Christ Jesus name! Amen. Thank you and thank YOU FATHER! Jim
Great teaching my wonderful sister and friend and pastor Sue! Love in Christ! GBY and your family! I expect to see you any day now!! I'm really feeling Tu B Av. Very nigh!! Halleluyah. GBY and your family! Jim
Great point, dear sister, and I'm glad I got to see it early on and was blessed by it! Watching your video also made me consider a couple of other things at the same time. I got to see this message early on after it had only recently been published. But, I wondered, in a general sense, if the number of views of a particular message could be proportional to the revelation of the message and/or to whom the message is directed (the smaller Bride group, for example)? I'm thinking in terms of the circles of intimacy, where Jeusus shared some of the most amazing moments with His closest inner circle only? At the same time, it also made me think about 2 Kings chaper 2 where Elijah (Luke "Bride" group) is about to be raptured and Elisha knows this, but appears to have no interest in talking about it or going with him. Perhaps, he doesn't truly believe Elijah's rapture is going to happen yet, or at all (because he is in the Mark "left behind" group)? 2 Kings 2:9-11 "9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." Elisha stuck by Elijah's side like glue to go from town to town--on the earth. But being raptured to heaven? Not really interested in discussing it. There's too much to do here. Gimme a double portion of your spirit so I can pick up where you leave off. (Wayne's cheeky but not irreverent paraphrase). Elijah is helping Elisha even after he is gone! How? Well, Elisha sees Elijah go (he's gone). But what happens next? Elijah's mantle falls down to/for Elisha. The metaphorical torch has now been passed.
Hello Wayne! Notice what inspired Elisha to ask for a double portion. He never took his eyes of Elijah and when he saw him fold his mantle in two (the mantle was doubled over), Elisha knew he could ask for a double portion of the old prophet's anointing. The mantle is symbolic of the anointing. Elisha knew the day when Elijah was going to be raptured, as did the prophecy students in every town they went to. Elisha was annoyed that the students assumed he didn't know and needed to fill him in. Therefore, Elisha told them to be quiet because he already knew. I believe Enoch, the gentile, represents the pre-trib bride's rapture and Elijah, the Jew, represents the mid-trib church's rapture. By them, the church in every city around the world will know they will be raptured 3.5 days after the two witnesses are killed in Jerusalem. They go up when the two witnesses are told to "Come up here." Isn't this fun, Wayne?!!! What a privilege it is to be drawn to the prophetic word. Secrets are being revealed to us every day by the Holy Spirit. Hallelujah!!! Keep up the great work, brother Wayne!!
I hope you've recovered from this latest situation, Jim. How are you doing with avoiding carbs? I know that's difficult but I eliminated carbs from my diet and that took care of many annoying health issues. Many are finding this to be so. Eat as much meat and animal products as you possibly can and immediately stop eating grains. Take a month to gradually weed out ALL fruits and veggies. The plants we now have are not what was in the garden of Eden, they have all be hybridized and are making us sick. You'll be shocked at how quickly health ailments disappear when you eat only animal sourced food; beef, bacon, eggs, butter, heavy whipping cream in your coffee. Chicken, pork, fish. Eat as much of all that as you want, you won't get hungry and you'll become well. The AMA has been lying to us, do the opposite of what they tell you. Order Redmond's Real Salt and have as much of that as you want! Don't eat traditional table salt, that'll kill your taste buds. Watch videos of Dr. Ken Barry and Dr. Anthony Chaffe and you'll much better.
I was looking for the second rapture in Genesis 5-8 after Enoch, and I think the second rapture is the ark. Jesus finishes building the body of Christ mid-trib and then we protect the mortal wheat through the second half.
This comment does NOT apply to Sue Keith's teaching, but a message for her given there is no other way she allows communication: Sue, I know you watch "We are the Overcomers". One would have to seriously question if this person is a true brother in Christ given the hatred he holds in his heart for people who expose his deceptions. He has now blocked me for speaking truth on his channel and exposing his last decpting message on the Geneva bible not meaning the same as the KJV in 2 Thes 2. I know you and he play the 'perfect family' in comments with each other's channel. But the truth is, he does NOT test the spirits, is a deceiver to suit his own narratives. Does it often, as I have often called him out on it. If he "were" a true brother: _he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness_ He knows from another message I sent him that I agreed with some of his message (e.g. how the Greek word he was focusing on can be translated in different ways, just as many English or any language words can be treated differently based on context, grammar etc). AND BELOW is the quote I got banned for from his channel (and worse with theses guys, they are so deceptive in their hearts, they don't even inform you of the fact - you have to have a friend inform you on the same comments section that your messages are not there, confirmed now by many, plus no one can communicate to me via that channel anymore - used to get dozens per week, now none): MY COMMENT THAT WAS WORTH BLOCKING: To "We are the Overcomers" (or not really overcoming anything!) Unfortunately, this presentation was misleading. The Geneva Bible was used to show: 2 Thess 2:3 that there come a *departing first,* implying that those who translated this bible were talking about a “physical” departure. Nothing could be futher from the truth. The footnotes to the Geneva bible are very clear. They specifically footnote this verse with an explanation and it says that the “departing” means *_A wonderful departing of the most part FROM THE FAITH_* It also says *_forasmuch as before that day there should be a falling away from true religion_* before that day. How misleading this teaching was, implying that Geneva Bible did not treat “departing” as being the same as the Greek usage of being “apostacy”. So the translators of the Geneva were *EXACTLY* in agreement with the King James authorized version. They simply used a different English word in their translation which means the same thing! They were saying there would be a departing from the faith, rather than saying their would be a falling away first. This is because the English language further developed over that time to make it clearer what the actual meaning was. END QUOTE So had he not be being deceptive, he would have explained the position, rather than hid the facts and not mention them. Oh yes the human heart is desparately wicked and deceitful above all things.
There's a strong possibility that both are true; a physical departure AND a spiritual departure so consider taking a bite of humble pie. It's good to acquire a taste for that now because there's going to be a lot of that pie served at the banquet. Wayne and I don't agree on several things and we've talked about those points, we don't get snippy over it because we have respect for each other's teachings. We learn a lot from each other and my comments to him are sincere. I think his kind comments under my vids are from his heart as well. Be in peace, brother.
@@suekeith Sorry but it is not possible to be both physical and spiritual, if you are using the majority Greek, or the textus receptus. Impossible in context, and I know Wayne understands this point clearly (a friend of mine informed him). The majority text and the TR all say "day of Christ" not "day of the Lord". They are two different things. Anyone who does not understand this difference is lacking in depth of understanding scripture and eschatology, pure and simple. It is only possible to be both if you use scriptures that say "day of the Lord". And the Geneva bible Wayne used is TR based, "day of Christ" with "departure". Can't have your cake and eat it to. That's the problem with most who pick a bit here, and pick a bit there. The day of Christ is a day of joy and peace (just use scripture to compare scripture). The day of the Lord is a day of "woe unto you", "who would seek it?". The day of Christ is the left behind church harpazo of 1 Thes 4. In context in these scriptures, if you read it with "physical departure", it would say "the church harpazo cannot take place until the church haprazo". No sense in that. I can also provide links to many excellent Koine Greek teachers who will all state it is a spiritual falling away (and most of them are NOT church pretrib, most are prewrath or post trib). But they are deceived "experts" who used corrupted Koine Greek all the time, but they DO know what this words actually means! While I have listened to the lightweight Koine Greek teachers who love to make money off books like Dr Andy Woods, who know nothing on that word despite his seminary training! Only the modern scriptures (which are proven corrupted in many places, yet people like to beat their chest as "greek experts" or "hebrew experts" will say day of the Lord. That changes the entire context of 2 Thes 2. Also, no point in arguing the definitive article of the Greek for the word in 2 Thes 2 for this, then ignoring the Greek in (say as he does do) Rev 4:1, where the Greek is SINGULAR not PLURAL for a "come up here". Meaning it cannot apply to any rapture of anyone other than John himself in that moment. And he definiteh of "THE DEPARTURE" in any event means "THE APOSTACY". That is why so many refer to it that way. Picking and choosing the "bits that suit your doctrine" and not applying that same rule to other scriptures, shows a weak minded and or deceptive person lacking in hermeneutics. Nothing to do with eating humble pie. I ate my humble pie years ago when I came to the knowledge that all mainstream doctrines on eschatology were wrong, and that there is a three harvest process (that you and Wayne teach, but we disagree all three of us on aspects of it). I NEVER get "snippy". It is always the "teacher" who does, as they are defending THEIR doctrine and don't like to be questioned, exposed, or tested. They start out "allowing it", however slowly but surely the weight of evidnece weighs up against them so all they can do is be dishoenst and deceitful and block you at that moment. That says a lot about THEM. Or as you politely suggested and I respected, "you teach on your channel what you teach". And so be it. You are honest about it, so there it is! I am in peace, I can assure you. The peace of Christ surpasses all things. But people who "pretend" to be a brother, should never be tolerated, and brought to the light. If you cannot answer with scripture (Wayne that is), don't answer! EAT the humble pie as you say. ADMIT your faults to one another, not hide them and pretend you are superior because you know how to look up Greek online. People get too puffed up in their own teachings, they eventually get blinded to what they are doing. They just want a following over time that agrees and ticks their boxes. So many ignorate people out there. They will grasp on to anything. For me, I am happy to debate anyone on my understanding, and give them direct answers. Let them PROVE me wrong with scripture, and scripture in context, and scripture that is not corrupted by the Roman Catholic church as many modern versions are. That is why there is such confusion over the 24 Elders. Most IGNORE the fact that of the 23 known MSS which have Rev 5:9, ALL BUT ONE of them says "US" etc, not "OTHER PEOPLE". Even the corrupt Codex Sinaitcus says "US". But the good old boys from Westcott Hort who hated the KJB, chose the "one and only" MSS from the worst of the worst MSS (Codex Alexandrinus, which is used for "next to nothing else" in translations) to CHANGE GOD'S WORD! And so many fell for it hook, line, and sinker. People just don't know the history of their scriptures, a real problem.
Hi my brethren in Christ! This last lap is kicking my butt. Seems like the enemy keeps moving the finish further away. Please come right away LORD! I'm crawling to the finish. GBY all! Jim
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Sending out All my unlimited and eternal love and praying for y'all constantly! Jim
Good morning 🌄 and day my friend and sister and pastor Sue! I wish I could tell everyone I have ever seen in my life that God loves them!! GBY and your family! Love Jim
Ecc. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the entire duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Thank you for this verse, it brings more understanding to the subject. God's people need to spend more time with the Holy Spirit, studying the Word. Our religious leaders are very busy running their .orgs and don't take enough time to study. May God use you in powerful ways .
Good morning! Hearing the song day by day from Godspell. "To see Thee more clearly. Love Thee more dearly. Follow Thee more nearly. These three things I pray!! GBY. Jim
The hymn I love is, "O' For a Thousand Tongues To Sing"
1 O for a thousand tongues to sing
my great Redeemer's praise,
the glories of my God and King,
the triumphs of his grace!
2 My gracious Master and my God,
assist me to proclaim,
to spread thro' all the earth abroad
the honors of your name.
3 Jesus! the name that charms our fears,
that bids our sorrows cease,
'tis music in the sinner's ears,
'tis life and health and peace.
4 He breaks the power of cancelled sin,
he sets the prisoner free;
his blood can make the foulest clean;
his blood availed for me.
5 To God all glory, praise, and love
be now and ever given
by saints below and saints above,
the Church in earth and heaven.
Praise report. Urine pretty much normal now. Thank you all so much and thank YOU JESUS!! Amen! GBY all! Jim
Thank you for bringing the holiness of God to us. We need to stop dragging Him down to our level instead of rising to His.
Hello bookworm, thanks for being a part of our community here and leaving a comment. Joy to you!
Good afternoon! HE is getting closer. Maranatha! Halleluyah! Love Jim. GBY and your family!
Thanks for the video! You're awesome!❤
Thank you, John, for watching our video and leaving such sweetness. Joy and blessings to you!
Good morning 🌄 my wonderful friend and sister and pastor Sue! Good community post today by Tim Foster. I believe that we who have volunteered for And were chosen to work the harvest are about to be translated into our capable selves to complete our great mission being about FATHER'S business for HIS glory! The fields are ripe and we are few but our LORD goes before us so our victory is assured!! Thank YOU JESUS!! Love and prayers! GBY and your family! Jim
Hi my brethren in Christ! This last lap is kicking my butt. Seems like the enemy keeps moving the finish further away. Please come right away LORD! I'm crawling to the finish. GBY all! Jim
Amen and Amen.
Dearest Sue and annointed family teachers, this is TRUTH.
Our Holy Spirit is the guarantee this promise and reward will come to pass because we believe it.
Always so much confirmation and blessing to listen to revelation from Him through His teachers.❤
Thank you, William, for popping in and leaving some love! May God use you in powerful ways while we're on this incredible journey together.
Oh Sue thank you so very very much for confirmation of what I have been shown by Father as well. It is a way of life . He is so wonderful to share these beautiful truths that are hidden from so many in these days . Bless you beautiful sister 🤗❤️
You are such a dear, Vicki! Thank you for letting us know this is resonating with you as well. Confirmation is extremely helpful and encouraging to us. May God continue to reveal His plan to His bride and may we have the skill and courage to pass it on. Joy to you!
Good morning 🌄 my wonderful friend and sister and pastor Sue and all my brothers and sisters in Christ! Hope y'all have a good day! GBY and your families! Jim
Beautiful study, Sue! 💕💕💕
Thank you, Kristen. I appreciate you for watching and leaving the encouragement. May God pour out His blessings on you.
Good afternoon!! Sending love and prayers!! Jim
Good evening 🌆! I believe I will meet you tonight at midnight. Halleluyah. GBY. Jim
Good morning 🌄! Asking for prayers please for my 92 Year old stepdad who has heart problems. He's not doing well. He can barely walk to the bathroom. I'm praying that when it's his time to pass that it's quick and painless in Christ Jesus name! Amen. Thank you and thank YOU FATHER! Jim
I'm so sorry to hear that your step father isn't doing well, Jim. It's hard to see someone you love struggling. I'll be praying for him.
Great teaching my wonderful sister and friend and pastor Sue! Love in Christ! GBY and your family! I expect to see you any day now!! I'm really feeling Tu B Av. Very nigh!! Halleluyah. GBY and your family! Jim
I, too, am so ready Jim! May our Lord come for His bride soon! I'm looking forward to our next mission!
@@suekeith Yes ma'am!! We're going fishin'!! Fishers of men! Papa going fishin' too. GBY!! Jim
Great point, dear sister, and I'm glad I got to see it early on and was blessed by it! Watching your video also made me consider a couple of other things at the same time. I got to see this message early on after it had only recently been published. But, I wondered, in a general sense, if the number of views of a particular message could be proportional to the revelation of the message and/or to whom the message is directed (the smaller Bride group, for example)? I'm thinking in terms of the circles of intimacy, where Jeusus shared some of the most amazing moments with His closest inner circle only?
At the same time, it also made me think about 2 Kings chaper 2 where Elijah (Luke "Bride" group) is about to be raptured and Elisha knows this, but appears to have no interest in talking about it or going with him. Perhaps, he doesn't truly believe Elijah's rapture is going to happen yet, or at all (because he is in the Mark "left behind" group)?
2 Kings 2:9-11 "9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."
Elisha stuck by Elijah's side like glue to go from town to town--on the earth. But being raptured to heaven? Not really interested in discussing it. There's too much to do here. Gimme a double portion of your spirit so I can pick up where you leave off. (Wayne's cheeky but not irreverent paraphrase). Elijah is helping Elisha even after he is gone! How? Well, Elisha sees Elijah go (he's gone). But what happens next? Elijah's mantle falls down to/for Elisha. The metaphorical torch has now been passed.
Hello Wayne! Notice what inspired Elisha to ask for a double portion. He never took his eyes of Elijah and when he saw him fold his mantle in two (the mantle was doubled over), Elisha knew he could ask for a double portion of the old prophet's anointing.
The mantle is symbolic of the anointing.
Elisha knew the day when Elijah was going to be raptured, as did the prophecy students in every town they went to. Elisha was annoyed that the students assumed he didn't know and needed to fill him in. Therefore, Elisha told them to be quiet because he already knew.
I believe Enoch, the gentile, represents the pre-trib bride's rapture and Elijah, the Jew, represents the mid-trib church's rapture. By them, the church in every city around the world will know they will be raptured 3.5 days after the two witnesses are killed in Jerusalem. They go up when the two witnesses are told to "Come up here."
Isn't this fun, Wayne?!!! What a privilege it is to be drawn to the prophetic word. Secrets are being revealed to us every day by the Holy Spirit. Hallelujah!!! Keep up the great work, brother Wayne!!
@@suekeith So true dear sister. Amazing!
Asking for prayers please. Just got so weak I couldn't stand up. Thank you. Love you. GBY. Jim
I hope you've recovered from this latest situation, Jim. How are you doing with avoiding carbs? I know that's difficult but I eliminated carbs from my diet and that took care of many annoying health issues. Many are finding this to be so. Eat as much meat and animal products as you possibly can and immediately stop eating grains. Take a month to gradually weed out ALL fruits and veggies. The plants we now have are not what was in the garden of Eden, they have all be hybridized and are making us sick.
You'll be shocked at how quickly health ailments disappear when you eat only animal sourced food; beef, bacon, eggs, butter, heavy whipping cream in your coffee. Chicken, pork, fish. Eat as much of all that as you want, you won't get hungry and you'll become well. The AMA has been lying to us, do the opposite of what they tell you. Order Redmond's Real Salt and have as much of that as you want! Don't eat traditional table salt, that'll kill your taste buds. Watch videos of Dr. Ken Barry and Dr. Anthony Chaffe and you'll much better.
@@suekeith Thank you my wonderful friend and sister and pastor Sue! GBY and your family! Jim
❤❤❤
I was looking for the second rapture in Genesis 5-8 after Enoch, and I think the second rapture is the ark.
Jesus finishes building the body of Christ mid-trib and then we protect the mortal wheat through the second half.
I don't know what happened but my comment got repeated. Sorry. Love.
This comment does NOT apply to Sue Keith's teaching, but a message for her given there is no other way she allows communication:
Sue, I know you watch "We are the Overcomers". One would have to seriously question if this person is a true brother in Christ given the hatred he holds in his heart for people who expose his deceptions. He has now blocked me for speaking truth on his channel and exposing his last decpting message on the Geneva bible not meaning the same as the KJV in 2 Thes 2. I know you and he play the 'perfect family' in comments with each other's channel. But the truth is, he does NOT test the spirits, is a deceiver to suit his own narratives. Does it often, as I have often called him out on it. If he "were" a true brother: _he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness_
He knows from another message I sent him that I agreed with some of his message (e.g. how the Greek word he was focusing on can be translated in different ways, just as many English or any language words can be treated differently based on context, grammar etc).
AND BELOW is the quote I got banned for from his channel (and worse with theses guys, they are so deceptive in their hearts, they don't even inform you of the fact - you have to have a friend inform you on the same comments section that your messages are not there, confirmed now by many, plus no one can communicate to me via that channel anymore - used to get dozens per week, now none): MY COMMENT THAT WAS WORTH BLOCKING:
To "We are the Overcomers" (or not really overcoming anything!)
Unfortunately, this presentation was misleading. The Geneva Bible was used to show: 2 Thess 2:3 that there come a *departing first,* implying that those who translated this bible were talking about a “physical” departure. Nothing could be futher from the truth. The footnotes to the Geneva bible are very clear. They specifically footnote this verse with an explanation and it says that the “departing” means *_A wonderful departing of the most part FROM THE FAITH_* It also says *_forasmuch as before that day there should be a falling away from true religion_* before that day.
How misleading this teaching was, implying that Geneva Bible did not treat “departing” as being the same as the Greek usage of being “apostacy”. So the translators of the Geneva were *EXACTLY* in agreement with the King James authorized version. They simply used a different English word in their translation which means the same thing! They were saying there would be a departing from the faith, rather than saying their would be a falling away first. This is because the English language further developed over that time to make it clearer what the actual meaning was.
END QUOTE
So had he not be being deceptive, he would have explained the position, rather than hid the facts and not mention them. Oh yes the human heart is desparately wicked and deceitful above all things.
There's a strong possibility that both are true; a physical departure AND a spiritual departure so consider taking a bite of humble pie. It's good to acquire a taste for that now because there's going to be a lot of that pie served at the banquet.
Wayne and I don't agree on several things and we've talked about those points, we don't get snippy over it because we have respect for each other's teachings. We learn a lot from each other and my comments to him are sincere. I think his kind comments under my vids are from his heart as well. Be in peace, brother.
@@suekeith Sorry but it is not possible to be both physical and spiritual, if you are using the majority Greek, or the textus receptus. Impossible in context, and I know Wayne understands this point clearly (a friend of mine informed him). The majority text and the TR all say "day of Christ" not "day of the Lord". They are two different things. Anyone who does not understand this difference is lacking in depth of understanding scripture and eschatology, pure and simple. It is only possible to be both if you use scriptures that say "day of the Lord". And the Geneva bible Wayne used is TR based, "day of Christ" with "departure". Can't have your cake and eat it to. That's the problem with most who pick a bit here, and pick a bit there.
The day of Christ is a day of joy and peace (just use scripture to compare scripture). The day of the Lord is a day of "woe unto you", "who would seek it?".
The day of Christ is the left behind church harpazo of 1 Thes 4. In context in these scriptures, if you read it with "physical departure", it would say "the church harpazo cannot take place until the church haprazo". No sense in that.
I can also provide links to many excellent Koine Greek teachers who will all state it is a spiritual falling away (and most of them are NOT church pretrib, most are prewrath or post trib). But they are deceived "experts" who used corrupted Koine Greek all the time, but they DO know what this words actually means! While I have listened to the lightweight Koine Greek teachers who love to make money off books like Dr Andy Woods, who know nothing on that word despite his seminary training!
Only the modern scriptures (which are proven corrupted in many places, yet people like to beat their chest as "greek experts" or "hebrew experts" will say day of the Lord. That changes the entire context of 2 Thes 2.
Also, no point in arguing the definitive article of the Greek for the word in 2 Thes 2 for this, then ignoring the Greek in (say as he does do) Rev 4:1, where the Greek is SINGULAR not PLURAL for a "come up here". Meaning it cannot apply to any rapture of anyone other than John himself in that moment. And he definiteh of "THE DEPARTURE" in any event means "THE APOSTACY". That is why so many refer to it that way.
Picking and choosing the "bits that suit your doctrine" and not applying that same rule to other scriptures, shows a weak minded and or deceptive person lacking in hermeneutics. Nothing to do with eating humble pie. I ate my humble pie years ago when I came to the knowledge that all mainstream doctrines on eschatology were wrong, and that there is a three harvest process (that you and Wayne teach, but we disagree all three of us on aspects of it).
I NEVER get "snippy". It is always the "teacher" who does, as they are defending THEIR doctrine and don't like to be questioned, exposed, or tested. They start out "allowing it", however slowly but surely the weight of evidnece weighs up against them so all they can do is be dishoenst and deceitful and block you at that moment. That says a lot about THEM. Or as you politely suggested and I respected, "you teach on your channel what you teach". And so be it. You are honest about it, so there it is!
I am in peace, I can assure you. The peace of Christ surpasses all things. But people who "pretend" to be a brother, should never be tolerated, and brought to the light. If you cannot answer with scripture (Wayne that is), don't answer! EAT the humble pie as you say. ADMIT your faults to one another, not hide them and pretend you are superior because you know how to look up Greek online.
People get too puffed up in their own teachings, they eventually get blinded to what they are doing. They just want a following over time that agrees and ticks their boxes. So many ignorate people out there. They will grasp on to anything.
For me, I am happy to debate anyone on my understanding, and give them direct answers. Let them PROVE me wrong with scripture, and scripture in context, and scripture that is not corrupted by the Roman Catholic church as many modern versions are. That is why there is such confusion over the 24 Elders. Most IGNORE the fact that of the 23 known MSS which have Rev 5:9, ALL BUT ONE of them says "US" etc, not "OTHER PEOPLE". Even the corrupt Codex Sinaitcus says "US". But the good old boys from Westcott Hort who hated the KJB, chose the "one and only" MSS from the worst of the worst MSS (Codex Alexandrinus, which is used for "next to nothing else" in translations) to CHANGE GOD'S WORD! And so many fell for it hook, line, and sinker. People just don't know the history of their scriptures, a real problem.
Hi my brethren in Christ! This last lap is kicking my butt. Seems like the enemy keeps moving the finish further away. Please come right away LORD! I'm crawling to the finish. GBY all! Jim