The great thing about version 2 of the El Cap is that version 1 gets cheaper and they still sound great, So unless you need the new functionality just buy an old one.
@@ThatPedalShow cheers, hello, and howdy yall! Is there anyway I could get in contact with either of you via email? I have a guitar that I would like to send for you to keep that I think you all could do much greater things with than myself. I would love to get in contact to see if you both would be interested. I'd just love to see what life you could breathe into it. Take care all!
Just from a purely visual standpoint, that Roland Space echo might be one of the most aesthetic pieces of musical gear ever. Hats off to the desigers. 4:04
@@squidwardjtentacles worth the 3 years perpetual blue balls, or I guess in this context I should say “locking nuts” as the release can last indefinitely…once I decided to crank up the internal trimmers to about 75% anyways.
Only guitar players seek the sacred sounds of nearly broken machines. The lengths we go through to replicate sounds of the ancient and imperfect tape or oilcan delay machines is beyond ridiculous, almost cult like. And now the designers have nailed it, with incredible detail - the sound is nothing short of amazing and true. I love Tape Delay pedals, especially Strymon's offerings. I have a Volante, Nightsky and a Deco from those guys. Catalinbread Adineko oilcan is on my board too, it's freakish good for ambient ramblings, Howard is a Madman- love his stuff. Great show guys!
My gosh Dan, your intro was not only a noble improv but sounded almost like a different guitar - the clashes between the overdrive and the echoes were ace. Kudos for a truly interactive demo of the effects.
Hi guys! Awesome show as always. I think it's time to do a show on the Flint, is one of the oldest and most loved strymon pedals. It has never been featured on the show and it could be interesting to see if it still holds up to the newer reverb or tremolo pedals on the market. It was one of the first harmonic tremolo pedal, I'm really interested in tour thoughts.
Hey Mick, for what it's worth, getting to deep dive into the minutiae of things is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT why I love your channel. The irony is that, the more your face says "I'm going to spend the day testifying under oath", the more likely it is that I'm going to be absolutely thrilled because we're going into the weeds on a pedal's functions. I mean, the combination of your and Dan's personalites, coupled with both of your depth of knowledge, along with the incredibly tasteful way you both play... It's all good, my friend. Of course, I recognize that there is probably a small percentage of viewers who will take to this same comment section to mewl that an episode wasn't zippy and fast-paced enough for them but, please remember that Richard Gere was married to Cindy Crawford and that, one day, he woke up, looked at Cindy sleeping naked next to him, and thought "Oh, I can't stand another day of this..." In other words, people are thick.
I bought a Walrus ARP-87 after dragging my feet on the purchase for over a year. The next day I was gifted an ARP-87 by a friend who knew I wanted one. Thankfully, I watched your “ideas for using two delay pedals,” and kept them (and use them) both. I can’t wait to watch today’s delay comparison video you just posted!
Great job. To my ears the one thing I heard in the El Cap V2 was the guitar itself sounded fuller and just nicer if you are just talking about tone in and of itself. I'd be real interested to hear V1 and V2 side by side with a very low level, low repeat, relatively "background" sort of barely on delay and just hear how the guitar itself sounds. It may be the reason Pete decided to go with the newer JFET preamp. I detect something fairly significant is happening there. Other wise, Fender = quite good, Strymon = excellent, Roland Space = spectacular as we suspected they might shake out. Well done.
The reverb knob and reduced current draw are big upgrades. Not enough for me to hassle with selling the old one, but based on this, I would get a V2 if the V1 ever crapped out on me.
Thanks for the video gents! I tried SO hard to bond with many delay pedals over the last few years. This channel definitely inspired that journey. First was echosex baby… had an incredible “drum” delay sound but didn’t have tap tempo, then tried a JHS bucket brigade one… it’s modulation was just a toggle and was way way too crazy sounding, tried the new universal audio delay pedal, I wanted to like it’s tape emulation but ended up finding it “thin” sounding, finally landed on the chase bliss thermae. I don’t even use the thermae for its “bleeps and bloops”, it’s regular delay sound, it’s modulation, it’s hi/low resonant filter… it’s simply the best delay tone I’ve ever heard, period. I’m madly in love with it.
You boys can really make any delay sound that great! Lovely stuff. And there goes Strymon making tangible improvements on an already perfect pedal! They are geniuses!
All the new ARM processors have DSP functions built in. DSP math is pretty basic stuff you have an array of samples multiplied and summed with associated coefficient and then output that as a new sample. This was the basis for LaPlace & Fourier in 1820. They of course never thought we would be doing this with processors and fixed or floating point math and they assumed the # of taps (length of the array) was infinite. Great show as always! Thanks guys.
Tape is my favorite delay sound. I use the tape on the DD-200 (purchased a couple of years ago on a recommendation from you guys for a great budget minded multi-delay). Loved the resonating Casino. Have been playing mine this week and truly enjoy how it comes alive with harmonic feedback and vibration. And Mick thanks for the Welcome to Wrexham recommendation. Great TV!
Ah, you guys make every pedal sound great! The V2 has devalued my long-standing V1, but I doubt I'll ever sell it. I'm pairing it with an old DD2 since you ran the video on dual delays.
Love my V1. Great sounds etc.., but also love how the controls and switches laid out. You can get between so many sounds om the fly just with your foot.
@@manit3307 it’s great to have these guys back on (new year, new episodes) I’ve actually just launched my new TH-cam channel on guitars (real episodes coming soon). These guys are an inspiration
Another great review. I was very confused about my next tape style delay pedal purchase- very keen on the Strymon all very good, but tried out a cheaper Nux NDD7 and ended up taking it home. Next test will be how it stands up with heavy gigging..sounds darn good to me.
Fun show guys. Couple thoughts- yes- you are right that it is impractical to cart around an RE201. That said, there is something just awesome about it. I'd say that the sound of the repeats on the el cap (and my volante) is like "she she she"- a focus on the high mids- and the RE201 is more like "thrum thrum thrum" - more thick lower mids. Maybe this is what Mick often calls "chewy" midrange? Don't know- but it sounds glorious! Second thought- the thing about digital is that there will always be a newer, "better" "updated version" that is better than the previous version. In theory, you will always be able to anticipate a "better" future digital thing. But the analog thing is different- it IS the thing, if you know what I mean. You will never get a more RE201 than the physical thing- it is a philosophical end in and of itself- while the digital copies will always be "close", but people will also always assume that at some later point there will be a "closer" version. In other words, you can never get more real than the real thing, and you will never get totally real with a digital copy- even if someday the digital copy may in fact sound objectively better- it won't matter- it will never be real.
I would never be able to afford one for one effect but man that roland space echo sounds amazing. I can see why you love it so much. Not that the strymon isnt great as well but that roland just has a level of it to me that is just wow.
That was a nice trip down memory lane with the tape echo,I had a Watkins in the late 70s & had forgotten about the amazing sounds you got as the tape slowly demagnetised, fabulous guys 👍
I have the V2 El Cap and love it, my pop has an OG Space Echo and the difference is unbelievable. The SE is so warm and lush, I don't know if anything will ever replace a SE.
Best delay pedal on the market, at least in terms of tape and analog. I sold my v1 to nab the volante. I’ve many, many analog and tape echoes, including the Belle epoch, Belle epoch deluxe, boss re-20, boss re-202, line 6 dl4 mk ii, boss dm-2w, boss dm-101, Ibanez echo shifter, Catalinbread Echorec, benson delay, UA starlight, way huge Supa Puss, maybe a couple of others in forgetting. The el Capistan beats them all. It’s just magical. The only pedals I’ve tried that can go neck and neck are the Asheville adg-1 and a 90’s deluxe memory man reissue. Digital is kind of its own thing in my book, as tape and analog add more grit and characteristics, and even then I’d probably say the Strymon dig is the best in the pack. That company clearly knows what it’s doing when it comes to time based effects. The flint is another favorite of mine, although I’d say the UA golden has the reverbs beat by just a hair.
Thank you so much gentlemen. I have over time purchased I think every Strymon products that was updated to V2. And of course I started wondering what I was missing. Your episode confirmed for me that I don’t need to change my much loved El Cap and I expect that will be true for the others as well. I really doubt that I am using all the capabilities of the units that I have as I completed forgot/ignored the secondary functions. Yes I agree that there should be better labeling for the hidden stuff but while watching I was downloading manuals to have on my idevices for when not if I forget. Brilliant as usual!
I'd love to see you guys with a Copicat one day. You often name check it as an option but I've never seen you use one; such great units and still borderline affordable. I've had a number of the Super IC (solid state) models over the years, fantastic sounds. I recently picked up a genuine 'loft find' Mk II valve Copicat for very few coins and it's monster! The pre-amp is worth the price on it's own, just a bog standard ECC83 centre biased but it drives the front end of my amp like a supernova. With reference to what Dan said about the tape on the Space Echo running constantly - joy of joys - the Mk II has an on/off switch for the tape motor. It's a game changer. Why don't more tape echo's have a switch on the motor? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Another grand show lads; happy new year, and get thyselves a Copicat!
Listening in great detail here, with good studio headphones, and this time I really heard the "3D-ness" of the Space Echo... It's especially apparent in the low end, especially with the gain piled on. But I agree, not a bad one in the bunch overall. (Also, I wish I realized way back when that there were EQ controls hidden as secondary functions, back when I plugged into one in a store and was underwhelmed by the EQ.) Great show, guys!
Yeah man, the harmonic richness of analogue is always undeniable. I’ve said this a few times in the comments, but it was almost depressing doing the audio on this one. Ha! Mick here.
Absolutely adore the El Cap. I use mine, an OG, both as a quirky chorus and moody tape delay using the favorite switch to toggle between them. Such a usable pedal
@@ThatPedalShow so now you know that part at the beginning of the video going through all the functions was really valuable. You could likey do a series "Things that pedals you own DO but you didn't know..." 😉
Dan - I suggested Strymon add the secondary function names on the faceplate years ago when I got my El Cap and they said they didn't have room for them (which clearly isn't true). That's the single biggest usability failing of this otherwise fairly easy to use pedal (given all its flexibility).
El Cap is my “one pedal” - so flexible, so toneful - I’ve found others that compare, but the El Cap never leaves my board. V2 doesn’t offer enough for an upgrade (for me).
One thing that would get me to consider upgrading my v1 El Cap is control over the stereo output mix. Set wet/dry levels independently on each out rather than always getting the same mix from both outputs. Volante can do that, but would be nice to have on the smaller and simpler El Cap.
The updated input in the v2s is subtle but I feel like I actually connect with the pedals now where there was something that I just never really vibed with Strymon before. I doubt the v2 Lex ever leaves my board thanks to the mix knob
Agree, just got the V2 after trying and selling the V1 5 years ago. V2 has the clarity and immediacy that I felt V1 was robbing from my tone. The pedal now feels transparent - really enjoy it. I guess that's the new JFET preamp.
Happy new year leg ends! I've enjoyed the shorts, but I've been looking forward to your full videos coming back. I'm in bed with COVID, and this is helping. As is the new Ariel Posen album 😊
V1 = Han shot first V2 = Greedo shot first Great walk through all the new features and sounds, V2 sounds fab but I'm sticking to my v1's ! (and honestly, thanks so much for saving me 800€ !!!) 🙏
Fabulous preamble- not boring. Always wanted an el cap, but went helix a few years ago. Borrowed a victory sherrif for a couple of pub rock gigs and just made me want a pedalboard and some valves. Not unhappy with helix cos I occasionally do deps where it’s flexible is brilliant. But for pub rock fun ♥️
I worked in a Music Store that closed at 8PM. By 9PM all the local stores would close. More than one time I waited until about 9:15 PM and CRANKED a SUNN Model T with a 6-12 cabinet and played a HUGELY LOUD 'A' chord with tones of tube distortion. What made it magical was every guitar in the store b,oth acoustic and electric, were all tuned to 'A"...amazing how long it rang!!! LOL
The preamp section of Roland SE makes that tele sound much better. Tighter, fuller with great definition between the effect and dry signal. Nothing beats the original, other sound anemic in comparison.
Hi MIck, I sent you a comment on Patreon about the Jazzmaster you played in this week's VCQ. Please read when you get time. A Jazzmaster dive be an interesting idea for a show. How radically different a Jazzmaster is to a Strat and Tele because of the pickups, the taper type and high pot value of the volume and tone compared to a Strat and Tele, which give so many tones. How it has less sustain (some love it for that) because it's designed to mimic an arch top, higher bridge, rocking bridge and angled neck (proper set up). How the tremolo when set up is one of the best ever. Ok shutting up about Jazzmaster now. Just hate seeing it sitting in the corner being misunderstood. haha. Have a great weekend.
I used to snub Strymon as being over the top. The El Cap sounds amazing though, and if I could toggle thru presets on it quickly versus only having a favorite switch - I would buy one in heartbeat as my main delay.
I didn't know if you guys were aware that the El Capistan is a play on words on the famous rock cliff in Yosemite national park in Calofronia called El Capitan.
You didn't mention the Volante, which I own and love. I'm a little confused why this V2 pedal exists when the Volante seems to be all inclusive. Why no mention, and is there something this one offers that I'm missing on the Volante?
My Space Echo caught fire on a gig once. It decided to self combust. The singer turned around and pointed out: dude, there’s smoke coming out of your tape thingy 😅
I have both versions. Through a guitar amp you will never notice the difference. Having reverb separate is helpful. MIdi for presets good, Both have a 'favourite preset so they give you instant access to two sounds without midi. Worth the extra cost? Probably not. They are both excellent. I have a Bella epoch deluxe and have to say I prefer the sound of that EP in it. All are top bar.
Mick, Scott said that, sometime during graduation, Jeff (Rest In Peace) was asked to give a class but declined the offer. Scott said it could have been something for the history books, of sorts and that maybe what he would have taught would have been of importance. Still majorly bummed out over the whole thing, having just lost a friend on life support on January 1st and hearing yesterday that someone else I knew years ago passed away recently too. I think everyone is still in shock over Jeff being gone. He left so much behind for us all but still had so much to give. I do not mean to sound greedy in my saying that. What I meant is that music just seemed to pour out of him. He left us a lot to figure out the mystery of and I have to say that it's an honor to have been alive while he was still going strong. I'm betting that after we are all long gone, people are going to look at his body of work, and film footage, and still be gobsmacked. My condolences to you, his many band mates, family and friends. Stephen
Thank you for those kind words Stephen. His contribution remains vital and ever lasting. He was a true maverick and never wavered. Somehow resting in peace seems entirely inappropriate. We’ll just say thank you, Jeff.
I'm a huge fan of the mk1 - it has remained on my board through many iterations! But one major flaw I wish they had corrected in mk2 was the way the delays cut out when you tap the tempo. Was really hoping they'd change it to adjust like you would on the time knob. Pretty annoying oversight for groups that play without click tracks :/
Good grief. Fuzz tone from about 35 minutes in is godlike. Love the DGT but I've been missing you playing the strats of late Mick. Especially that one! Cheers boys.
Hi, Dan and Mick. Great video!! Thanks for everything you two do (it always brings a smile)! 😊 I think this may be my first time commenting, but I am just curious on a couple things. 1. What guitar stands do you use or recommend? I am currently looking for one and discovering that some cause issues with nitro finishes. Appreciate any insight you may have. 2. I have two tube amps (Friedman Dirty Shirley 40w combo and Greer Apache 5w). I have been thinking lately of try to sell them as well as a few pedals with the goal of distilling my rig into one amp and just a few essential pedals. Do you have a recommendation for an great amp and any essential pedals to would achieve Jerry Garcia tones and be bedroom friendly? (Note: I think the Apache may be the one amp I need, but for some reason I have been on a G.A.S. quest)
The great thing about version 2 of the El Cap is that version 1 gets cheaper and they still sound great, So unless you need the new functionality just buy an old one.
LOVE the format of comparing the new shiny one, the actual thing that inspired it, and an affordable option. Something for everyone!
Nice! We should do this more!
@@ThatPedalShow actually could guys compare the new v2 reverb ?? Puleeez
@ThatPedalShow you should! Also - @TylerGorham7301 isn’t this a rare thing. Hello from Scotland :)
@@AlGorham23 Woah! Cheers from the US!
@@ThatPedalShow cheers, hello, and howdy yall! Is there anyway I could get in contact with either of you via email? I have a guitar that I would like to send for you to keep that I think you all could do much greater things with than myself. I would love to get in contact to see if you both would be interested. I'd just love to see what life you could breathe into it. Take care all!
Just from a purely visual standpoint, that Roland Space echo might be one of the most aesthetic pieces of musical gear ever. Hats off to the desigers. 4:04
I knew from the moment i read the title there was a better than average chance of witnessing yet another Dan Delaygasm
They are interestingly different gasms, aren’t they. Delaygasm, drivegasm, verbgasm, and kingoftonegasm are all subtly different.
@David Lee the Kingoftonegasm is quite something. The build up lasts for years
@@squidwardjtentacles worth the 3 years perpetual blue balls, or I guess in this context I should say “locking nuts” as the release can last indefinitely…once I decided to crank up the internal trimmers to about 75% anyways.
Every delaygasm is with the wait.
... and now that word's in my phone dictionary...
.....and without the smallest hint of any smugasm....just joy
Only guitar players seek the sacred sounds of nearly broken machines. The lengths we go through to replicate sounds of the ancient and imperfect tape or oilcan delay machines is beyond ridiculous, almost cult like. And now the designers have nailed it, with incredible detail - the sound is nothing short of amazing and true. I love Tape Delay pedals, especially Strymon's offerings. I have a Volante, Nightsky and a Deco from those guys. Catalinbread Adineko oilcan is on my board too, it's freakish good for ambient ramblings, Howard is a Madman- love his stuff. Great show guys!
Fantastic playing today Dan, your sound was exceptional. Thanks for a great show Guys.
I really enjoy Dan's playing style too. He's terrific with modulation and delays/echo.
My gosh Dan, your intro was not only a noble improv but sounded almost like a different guitar - the clashes between the overdrive and the echoes were ace. Kudos for a truly interactive demo of the effects.
Hi guys! Awesome show as always. I think it's time to do a show on the Flint, is one of the oldest and most loved strymon pedals. It has never been featured on the show and it could be interesting to see if it still holds up to the newer reverb or tremolo pedals on the market. It was one of the first harmonic tremolo pedal, I'm really interested in tour thoughts.
I love that M1D1 isn’t even a joke anymore, it’s just how Dan and Mick say MIDI 😂
Great show as a always! I have my V1 El cap on the board right now
I can't get enough Tape Echo videos; so I am glad yall keep me well fed.
Hey Mick, for what it's worth, getting to deep dive into the minutiae of things is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT why I love your channel. The irony is that, the more your face says "I'm going to spend the day testifying under oath", the more likely it is that I'm going to be absolutely thrilled because we're going into the weeds on a pedal's functions. I mean, the combination of your and Dan's personalites, coupled with both of your depth of knowledge, along with the incredibly tasteful way you both play... It's all good, my friend. Of course, I recognize that there is probably a small percentage of viewers who will take to this same comment section to mewl that an episode wasn't zippy and fast-paced enough for them but, please remember that Richard Gere was married to Cindy Crawford and that, one day, he woke up, looked at Cindy sleeping naked next to him, and thought "Oh, I can't stand another day of this..." In other words, people are thick.
Hahah! Thank you Stanley, I hear you loud and clear! Hahaha!
I bought a Walrus ARP-87 after dragging my feet on the purchase for over a year. The next day I was gifted an ARP-87 by a friend who knew I wanted one. Thankfully, I watched your “ideas for using two delay pedals,” and kept them (and use them) both. I can’t wait to watch today’s delay comparison video you just posted!
You wait for a Walrus….
@@ThatPedalShow I thought I was the Egg man. Turns out, I am the Walrus (coo coo cachoo)
Hahahaha!
@@ThatPedalShowAre YOU the Walrus? Because I am not the Walrus. Goo goo g’ joob.
This is the reason I needed to stay home from work …….. on repeats
LOVE the El Cap!!
So musical and mysterious.
🎸 🤘
Love the El Cap. Honorable mention is the Line 6 Echo Park (excellent warped and crinkled tape sound) and the T.C. Electronics Alter Ego V2.
Your love of gear and sound is so infectious. I absolutely love your show. Its impossible not to enjoy.
I bought my V1 the week the announced V2. I have no plans to change!🙂
Great job. To my ears the one thing I heard in the El Cap V2 was the guitar itself sounded fuller and just nicer if you are just talking about tone in and of itself. I'd be real interested to hear V1 and V2 side by side with a very low level, low repeat, relatively "background" sort of barely on delay and just hear how the guitar itself sounds. It may be the reason Pete decided to go with the newer JFET preamp. I detect something fairly significant is happening there. Other wise, Fender = quite good, Strymon = excellent, Roland Space = spectacular as we suspected they might shake out. Well done.
I know, isn’t it!? I was almost depressed doing the audio… the RE-201 is alive and real. Can’t get over it. Mick here.
The reverb knob and reduced current draw are big upgrades. Not enough for me to hassle with selling the old one, but based on this, I would get a V2 if the V1 ever crapped out on me.
Thanks for the video gents! I tried SO hard to bond with many delay pedals over the last few years. This channel definitely inspired that journey. First was echosex baby… had an incredible “drum” delay sound but didn’t have tap tempo, then tried a JHS bucket brigade one… it’s modulation was just a toggle and was way way too crazy sounding, tried the new universal audio delay pedal, I wanted to like it’s tape emulation but ended up finding it “thin” sounding, finally landed on the chase bliss thermae. I don’t even use the thermae for its “bleeps and bloops”, it’s regular delay sound, it’s modulation, it’s hi/low resonant filter… it’s simply the best delay tone I’ve ever heard, period. I’m madly in love with it.
Ha! Yep! CBA’s audio is always amazing and always sooooo analogue. WONDERFUL!
Yep! My favourite analog delay too!
You boys can really make any delay sound that great! Lovely stuff. And there goes Strymon making tangible improvements on an already perfect pedal! They are geniuses!
Would love a video on the Deco V2. I’ve had it for a couple months and it’s blown my mind. My favourite pedal I’ve ever played!
have the V2 deco as well, and the V2 Flint, can't get a bad sound out of either...days and days of fun!
All the new ARM processors have DSP functions built in. DSP math is pretty basic stuff you have an array of samples multiplied and summed with associated coefficient and then output that as a new sample. This was the basis for LaPlace & Fourier in 1820. They of course never thought we would be doing this with processors and fixed or floating point math and they assumed the # of taps (length of the array) was infinite.
Great show as always! Thanks guys.
Thanks to you guys, my wife recently got me a Fender HT Space Delay for Christmas. Cheers!
Cool!
Good fun, lads. Gotta say, the Fender was a welcome surprise. Sounds lovely!
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Tape is my favorite delay sound. I use the tape on the DD-200 (purchased a couple of years ago on a recommendation from you guys for a great budget minded multi-delay). Loved the resonating Casino. Have been playing mine this week and truly enjoy how it comes alive with harmonic feedback and vibration. And Mick thanks for the Welcome to Wrexham recommendation. Great TV!
Ah, you guys make every pedal sound great!
The V2 has devalued my long-standing V1, but I doubt I'll ever sell it. I'm pairing it with an old DD2 since you ran the video on dual delays.
Love my V1. Great sounds etc.., but also love how the controls and switches laid out. You can get between so many sounds om the fly just with your foot.
Awesome video! Dan…your playing has gotten better! Love it! Thank you for the audio pleasantries. 😎🎶🤘🏻
Yep. I was just thinking the same: awesome playing Dan !!!
@@manit3307 it’s great to have these guys back on (new year, new episodes) I’ve actually just launched my new TH-cam channel on guitars (real episodes coming soon). These guys are an inspiration
Thanks guys, always a treat hearing Dan jamming with delay.
El Cap is an absolute modern classic.
Got my El Cap v2 in the mail the day before this dropped lol. Love it! Thanks Guys!
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Another great review. I was very confused about my next tape style delay pedal purchase- very keen on the Strymon all very good, but tried out a cheaper Nux NDD7 and ended up taking it home. Next test will be how it stands up with heavy gigging..sounds darn good to me.
This video sold me as much, if not more on wanting to add a Tele to my gear collection than a tape echo. Fantastic tones Dan!
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Fun show guys. Couple thoughts- yes- you are right that it is impractical to cart around an RE201. That said, there is something just awesome about it. I'd say that the sound of the repeats on the el cap (and my volante) is like "she she she"- a focus on the high mids- and the RE201 is more like "thrum thrum thrum" - more thick lower mids. Maybe this is what Mick often calls "chewy" midrange? Don't know- but it sounds glorious! Second thought- the thing about digital is that there will always be a newer, "better" "updated version" that is better than the previous version. In theory, you will always be able to anticipate a "better" future digital thing. But the analog thing is different- it IS the thing, if you know what I mean. You will never get a more RE201 than the physical thing- it is a philosophical end in and of itself- while the digital copies will always be "close", but people will also always assume that at some later point there will be a "closer" version. In other words, you can never get more real than the real thing, and you will never get totally real with a digital copy- even if someday the digital copy may in fact sound objectively better- it won't matter- it will never be real.
Total agreement here. Mick here. Thank you for the thoughts!
I would never be able to afford one for one effect but man that roland space echo sounds amazing. I can see why you love it so much. Not that the strymon isnt great as well but that roland just has a level of it to me that is just wow.
That was a nice trip down memory lane with the tape echo,I had a Watkins in the late 70s & had forgotten about the amazing sounds you got as the tape slowly demagnetised, fabulous guys 👍
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They all sound amazing to me. Excellent playing by both.
Dan, gorgeous playing at the opening! Totally transporting.
I have the V2 El Cap and love it, my pop has an OG Space Echo and the difference is unbelievable. The SE is so warm and lush, I don't know if anything will ever replace a SE.
Nice to hear as I’m about to buy one
my all-timer here. i only have 2 versions of 3 pedals: the wampler paisley; the chase bliss blooper; and this beauty here. great show as always guys
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Oh heck. The video I didn’t know I needed and now need to rewatch at least ten more times
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Best delay pedal on the market, at least in terms of tape and analog. I sold my v1 to nab the volante. I’ve many, many analog and tape echoes, including the Belle epoch, Belle epoch deluxe, boss re-20, boss re-202, line 6 dl4 mk ii, boss dm-2w, boss dm-101, Ibanez echo shifter, Catalinbread Echorec, benson delay, UA starlight, way huge Supa Puss, maybe a couple of others in forgetting. The el Capistan beats them all. It’s just magical. The only pedals I’ve tried that can go neck and neck are the Asheville adg-1 and a 90’s deluxe memory man reissue. Digital is kind of its own thing in my book, as tape and analog add more grit and characteristics, and even then I’d probably say the Strymon dig is the best in the pack. That company clearly knows what it’s doing when it comes to time based effects. The flint is another favorite of mine, although I’d say the UA golden has the reverbs beat by just a hair.
Thank you so much gentlemen. I have over time purchased I think every Strymon products that was updated to V2. And of course I started wondering what I was missing. Your episode confirmed for me that I don’t need to change my much loved El Cap and I expect that will be true for the others as well. I really doubt that I am using all the capabilities of the units that I have as I completed forgot/ignored the secondary functions. Yes I agree that there should be better labeling for the hidden stuff but while watching I was downloading manuals to have on my idevices for when not if I forget. Brilliant as usual!
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1:16 OH for a split second I thought we were gonna jump into some VH Little Guitars. Nice intro Dan!
Another great comparison video!! You should do this with all the V2 from Strymon! ;)
Andertons already did that, but I would love a TPS version as well!
Love my El Cap V1. The best pedal I’ve ever bought!
I'd love to see you guys with a Copicat one day. You often name check it as an option but I've never seen you use one; such great units and still borderline affordable. I've had a number of the Super IC (solid state) models over the years, fantastic sounds. I recently picked up a genuine 'loft find' Mk II valve Copicat for very few coins and it's monster! The pre-amp is worth the price on it's own, just a bog standard ECC83 centre biased but it drives the front end of my amp like a supernova. With reference to what Dan said about the tape on the Space Echo running constantly - joy of joys - the Mk II has an on/off switch for the tape motor. It's a game changer. Why don't more tape echo's have a switch on the motor? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Another grand show lads; happy new year, and get thyselves a Copicat!
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Listening in great detail here, with good studio headphones, and this time I really heard the "3D-ness" of the Space Echo... It's especially apparent in the low end, especially with the gain piled on. But I agree, not a bad one in the bunch overall. (Also, I wish I realized way back when that there were EQ controls hidden as secondary functions, back when I plugged into one in a store and was underwhelmed by the EQ.) Great show, guys!
Yeah man, the harmonic richness of analogue is always undeniable. I’ve said this a few times in the comments, but it was almost depressing doing the audio on this one. Ha! Mick here.
I came here to be happy with my El Cap and left wanting a space echo. When they turned it on it felt like a warm hug
Great playing from Dan! Loved the intro😁
Interesting video guys, great sounds. I would have liked to have heard the Fender Space Delay more but thats ok. Have a great weekend, cya on Monday!
Very helpful demos and comparisons thanks
Absolutely adore the El Cap. I use mine, an OG, both as a quirky chorus and moody tape delay using the favorite switch to toggle between them. Such a usable pedal
Right on!
Bravo on the intro Dan! Happy new year fellas!
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I love these down the rabbit hole episodes. Dan, very welll done on the playing.
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Great show, as always. Again it's noteworthy how close the mighty El Cap can get to the hallowed Space Echo of Yore.
And yet how colossally far it still remains. Mick here.
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Dan’s intro playing is killer!
Oh, Lordy, the moment Mick brought in the fuzz - tonal bliss! Got to get me one of them thar Tomatotone-thingys!
Dan’s opening was killer. Great playing today!!!
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Dans playing is so underrated. !!
He’s plays such interesting chords and melodies!!
Just learned about a bunch of Secondary functions of the El Cap... I OWN one that I bought used and had no idea.... Well done guys! 😄
Ha! Genuinely astonished how many of these comments we’re getting. Mick here. I think the pedal companies still have sooo much to learn about UI.
@@ThatPedalShow so now you know that part at the beginning of the video going through all the functions was really valuable. You could likey do a series "Things that pedals you own DO but you didn't know..." 😉
Niiiice!
Dan - I suggested Strymon add the secondary function names on the faceplate years ago when I got my El Cap and they said they didn't have room for them (which clearly isn't true). That's the single biggest usability failing of this otherwise fairly easy to use pedal (given all its flexibility).
El Cap is my “one pedal” - so flexible, so toneful - I’ve found others that compare, but the El Cap never leaves my board. V2 doesn’t offer enough for an upgrade (for me).
Same here!
My favorite delay/echo is the Catlin Bread Belle Epoch Deluxe, warms up the tone chain and is an always on effect.
Much love, last super delay video made me buy a dl4, waiting for it in the mail right now
One thing that would get me to consider upgrading my v1 El Cap is control over the stereo output mix. Set wet/dry levels independently on each out rather than always getting the same mix from both outputs. Volante can do that, but would be nice to have on the smaller and simpler El Cap.
V1 sounds fuller on headphones to my ears. Owned the v1 for years and loved it.
They used inferior parts on v2 you can open them both up and see.
V1 sounded warmer more analog to me. Iphone speakers here.
I've opened up both, lower quality everything in thd V2 even though Strymon denie it. This is what most companies do.
you can connect a foot switch to the RE201 to stop the tape when not using. very helpful in any application
Really beautiful playing from Dan on this one
32:00 Doug Martsch gigs with a vintage real tape delay and it's so glorious
The updated input in the v2s is subtle but I feel like I actually connect with the pedals now where there was something that I just never really vibed with Strymon before. I doubt the v2 Lex ever leaves my board thanks to the mix knob
I heard that JFET preamp as well.
Agree, just got the V2 after trying and selling the V1 5 years ago. V2 has the clarity and immediacy that I felt V1 was robbing from my tone. The pedal now feels transparent - really enjoy it. I guess that's the new JFET preamp.
Ahhhh. Just want my Friday needs. ☕️☕️☕️ Cheers!
Do a show with Deco V1 and V2 please😊. Greetings from Gothenburg och thanks for a great episode !
yes please
Happy new year leg ends! I've enjoyed the shorts, but I've been looking forward to your full videos coming back. I'm in bed with COVID, and this is helping. As is the new Ariel Posen album 😊
Be well Dave! Speedy recovery mate!
V1 = Han shot first
V2 = Greedo shot first
Great walk through all the new features and sounds, V2 sounds fab but I'm sticking to my v1's ! (and honestly, thanks so much for saving me 800€ !!!)
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Hell yea!
Fabulous preamble- not boring. Always wanted an el cap, but went helix a few years ago.
Borrowed a victory sherrif for a couple of pub rock gigs and just made me want a pedalboard and some valves. Not unhappy with helix cos I occasionally do deps where it’s flexible is brilliant. But for pub rock fun ♥️
I worked in a Music Store that closed at 8PM. By 9PM all the local stores would close. More than one time I waited until about 9:15 PM and CRANKED a SUNN Model T with a 6-12 cabinet and played a HUGELY LOUD 'A' chord with tones of tube distortion. What made it magical was every guitar in the store b,oth acoustic and electric, were all tuned to 'A"...amazing how long it rang!!! LOL
Yeah baby! Happy days!
still the highlight of every Friday. Yes I know, I should get out more!
Dan, I wish I could play like you. You are a fantastic musician.
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The reign in blood riff was a nice touch lol
The preamp section of Roland SE makes that tele sound much better. Tighter, fuller with great definition between the effect and dry signal. Nothing beats the original, other sound anemic in comparison.
Hi MIck, I sent you a comment on Patreon about the Jazzmaster you played in this week's VCQ. Please read when you get time. A Jazzmaster dive be an interesting idea for a show. How radically different a Jazzmaster is to a Strat and Tele because of the pickups, the taper type and high pot value of the volume and tone compared to a Strat and Tele, which give so many tones. How it has less sustain (some love it for that) because it's designed to mimic an arch top, higher bridge, rocking bridge and angled neck (proper set up). How the tremolo when set up is one of the best ever. Ok shutting up about Jazzmaster now. Just hate seeing it sitting in the corner being misunderstood. haha. Have a great weekend.
I used to snub Strymon as being over the top. The El Cap sounds amazing though, and if I could toggle thru presets on it quickly versus only having a favorite switch - I would buy one in heartbeat as my main delay.
I didn't know if you guys were aware that the El Capistan is a play on words on the famous rock cliff in Yosemite national park in Calofronia called El Capitan.
@That Pedal Show - Sorry, hijacking this - Cory Wong is in the UK later this year.....PLEASE try get a show with him! 🙂
great intro playing Dan!
You didn't mention the Volante, which I own and love. I'm a little confused why this V2 pedal exists when the Volante seems to be all inclusive. Why no mention, and is there something this one offers that I'm missing on the Volante?
I absolutely have no problem with the V1 Cap! Thanks for the comparison mates! 🎸👍🏼😊
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My Space Echo caught fire on a gig once. It decided to self combust. The singer turned around and pointed out: dude, there’s smoke coming out of your tape thingy 😅
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I have both versions. Through a guitar amp you will never notice the difference. Having reverb separate is helpful. MIdi for presets good, Both have a 'favourite preset so they give you instant access to two sounds without midi. Worth the extra cost? Probably not. They are both excellent. I have a Bella epoch deluxe and have to say I prefer the sound of that EP in it. All are top bar.
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On the V1 some of the secondary functions are more audible with the mix knob past noon, 2 or 3 pm.
Enjoyed that initial jam lovely stuff.
I went with the keeley halo delay pedal.its amazing .all i need .👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸🎸
Great show feel like I have a great grasp on the two version.
Dan was in the zone in that intro! 💯 🎯
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Mick,
Scott said that, sometime during graduation, Jeff (Rest In Peace) was asked to give a class but declined the offer. Scott said it could have been something for the history books, of sorts and that maybe what he would have taught would have been of importance. Still majorly bummed out over the whole thing, having just lost a friend on life support on January 1st and hearing yesterday that someone else I knew years ago passed away recently too. I think everyone is still in shock over Jeff being gone. He left so much behind for us all but still had so much to give. I do not mean to sound greedy in my saying that. What I meant is that music just seemed to pour out of him. He left us a lot to figure out the mystery of and I have to say that it's an honor to have been alive while he was still going strong. I'm betting that after we are all long gone, people are going to look at his body of work, and film footage, and still be gobsmacked. My condolences to you, his many band mates, family and friends.
Stephen
Thank you for those kind words Stephen. His contribution remains vital and ever lasting. He was a true maverick and never wavered. Somehow resting in peace seems entirely inappropriate. We’ll just say thank you, Jeff.
I'm a huge fan of the mk1 - it has remained on my board through many iterations! But one major flaw I wish they had corrected in mk2 was the way the delays cut out when you tap the tempo. Was really hoping they'd change it to adjust like you would on the time knob. Pretty annoying oversight for groups that play without click tracks :/
I like that the reverb is hidden on the original..
Good grief. Fuzz tone from about 35 minutes in is godlike. Love the DGT but I've been missing you playing the strats of late Mick. Especially that one! Cheers boys.
Ha! Thank you!
1:00 prediction: both will be highly usable and useful, but the most fun will be stacking them.
I’m getting the fender! Wow! I loved it.
Hi, Dan and Mick. Great video!! Thanks for everything you two do (it always brings a smile)! 😊
I think this may be my first time commenting, but I am just curious on a couple things.
1. What guitar stands do you use or recommend? I am currently looking for one and discovering that some cause issues with nitro finishes. Appreciate any insight you may have.
2. I have two tube amps (Friedman Dirty Shirley 40w combo and Greer Apache 5w). I have been thinking lately of try to sell them as well as a few pedals with the goal of distilling my rig into one amp and just a few essential pedals. Do you have a recommendation for an great amp and any essential pedals to would achieve Jerry Garcia tones and be bedroom friendly? (Note: I think the Apache may be the one amp I need, but for some reason I have been on a G.A.S. quest)